Ready to Load some .357 So Help would be GREAT


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stavman11
April 16, 2013, 03:31 PM
Ok just got Lucky and scored some Components for loading my .357

WHOO HOO

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/stavman11/IMG_20130416_114956_378.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/stavman11/media/IMG_20130416_114956_378.jpg.html)

No for some help from you PRO's

As you can see i was ble to get a Few different items, some for Now, maybe some for 9mm loading later

So considering what i picked up....
H110
TiteGroup
Federal Small Pistol primers
Remington no 5-1/2 Mag primers
Sierra 170gr FMJ Bullets
Remmington 158gr SJHP w/c
Magtech 158gr LSWC


What kinda Tips... Starting Points could you all give me for .357 and 38S

Setting up my Secondary Lee Pro 1000 system Now... this will be just for Hand Loads where my Other is for .223 only
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/stavman11/IMG_20130416_122109_045.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/stavman11/media/IMG_20130416_122109_045.jpg.html)

Thanks Guys... excited to work up some .357 and .38S Loads

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MtnCreek
April 16, 2013, 03:38 PM
H110, mag primers, 158 sjhp's and heavy crimp. Big Blast! :)

IMtheNRA
April 16, 2013, 03:58 PM
Another vote for H110, mag primers, and 158gr bullets. I use Winchester JHPs with 14.4 grains of H110 and I get outstanding accuracy and a very fun boom and blast of flame from my 5 and 6 inch revolvers.

ScratchnDent
April 16, 2013, 04:09 PM
4.7 gr Titegroup, standard primer, under a 158 LSWC is a nice plinker .357 load in my gun.

stavman11
April 16, 2013, 04:13 PM
Awesome info so far Guys

Hey does someone have a Link to the Case and Specs for a .357Mag

Like COL
Lee .357 load data....

I cant really find much... came with the .38S info but need more on the .357 magnum

ScratchnDent
April 16, 2013, 04:16 PM
Hodgdon reloading data site: http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

rcmodel
April 16, 2013, 04:43 PM
Hey does someone have a Link to the Case and Specs for a .357MagIt is published in every reloading manual, along with complete reloading data..

You need to Get Sum!

I recommend the Lyman #49 manual for starting your education.

rc

stavman11
April 16, 2013, 07:03 PM
I have looked at all the manuals... they all look different so never got any of em....LOL


have some great info already.....


Lee Pro is set up... Just need ta setup Dies and start some test loads.... Think Ill do the H110 ist.... and go from there

Fun Times

rcmodel
April 16, 2013, 07:36 PM
they all look different so never got any of em....LOL

Well, that will be your first reloading mistake. ... LOL

More to follow! .... ROFLMAO.

LOL!!!

rc

stavman11
April 16, 2013, 09:11 PM
well.... 5hrs later... we have some Success

Here is a Chronological Visual description of my Progress :cuss:
Right to Left.....

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/stavman11/IMG_20130416_173823_976.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/stavman11/media/IMG_20130416_173823_976.jpg.html)

Last 2 have Powder in them...LOL... Shiny 2 on FAR FAR left are factory loads.. :D

Not too bad of Trial and error... the .223 GROWING Pains for sure helped here..

Did Learn... switch back and forth to .38s and .357 WONT happen... pain in the ARSE!!!..... Even think if I do end up loading 9mm.... an Entire Loader is the best Option...


GREAT day today.......On my way ta hand gun loading...

ended up trying H110.... at about 14.9gr with 158gr Lead.... and Mag Primers....... Think Ill do about 18-24 and STOP... Mixed SJHP lead and LSWC .... And hope i dont Blow up my Gun....LOL

:D

Match10
April 16, 2013, 09:25 PM
Son, you need to have someone teach you directly... LOL

Get some manuals and READ them.... LOL

Seriously. Before you get hurt. RLOL

CPLofMARINES
April 16, 2013, 09:38 PM
IMtheNRA: Question, I am still reading and reading, have
Not started yet, but I'm wondering why your load of 14.4 gr.
Of H110 over a 158gr. Win. SP is way below the suggested
Starting grain according to Lyman 49th ? I see the 170gr.
Cast starts at the 14.4 gr. Just trying to understand all
This. Thank you for any help with this.

Semper Fi

CPLofMARINES
April 16, 2013, 09:40 PM
My bad, I meant Win. JHP

41 Mag
April 16, 2013, 09:55 PM
Son, you need to have someone teach you directly...
Get some manuals and READ them....

Seriously. Before you get hurt....

Yep I see the things you are so happy to have, but I see nothing what so ever resembling a manual. There are things you learn by trial and error in life, but handloading isn't one of them. If you don't understand what 20,000psi will do in your hands when it comes apart, you really don't have any business messing with it.

Start with the manuals and you will understand.

PlaneJain
April 16, 2013, 10:06 PM
If you have any value to your eyesight, face, hands, and life, I suggest you throw away every bullet you have made so far, and read read read. You are seriously going to get hurt if you keep going on the way you are doing.

shiftyer1
April 16, 2013, 11:20 PM
I am also fairly new to reloading, I got my starting load from someone on this forum before I got any books. To be honest with ya'll, i've learned more from the folks on this forum than I have in the books I bought.

I'm surprised someone hasn't given tips on how to set bullet depth or Hey don't pull the handel so hard to crimp?

IMtheNRA
April 16, 2013, 11:42 PM
CPLofMarines - Hi there!

I don't have a Lyman manual, but I'm not surprised by the variation among different manuals. For the 158-gr JHP bullet, my Speer #13 lists the range of 13.9 to 15.5 of H-110, and my Hornady #7 has a range of 12.7 to 15.6

Of course, none of these are for Winchester brand of bullet specifically, so I just had to assume that my bullet is not too different from the Speer and Hornady JHP tested for these manuals.

I loaded many, many test charges during load development and picked 14.4 based solely on accuracy at 25 yards.

I chrono'd these loads from a 5" S&W revolver and got this 8-shot data on a 70-degree day:

Average vel = 1060 fps
SD = 9
ES = 29

So basically, I figured that I'm in the safe load range even though my specific bullet is not listed in any of my manuals or the Hodgdon online data center.

Jesse Heywood
April 17, 2013, 12:01 AM
I don't have a Lyman manual, but I'm not surprised by the variation among different manuals.

If you can only buy one manual, Lyman is the first one to buy. Don't be bothered by the differences between the loads, first you need to learn the basics of reloading. Another good move is to take a class, if offered at your local gun shop. By all means, learn everything you can before you make a regrettable mistake.

zxcvbob
April 17, 2013, 12:06 AM
You're gonna kill yourself at this rate, or worse yet blow up a good gun. ;) Seriously, you need to find some help. You shouldn't have crushed more than one case. And get some different powder; you picked 2 of the worst for a beginner. 2400 would be a good one for .357 Mag, and Bullseye or Unique for .38 and 9mm. Or Herco for all of them, but you'll run out of room in the 9mm with Herco (not totally a bad thing)

joneb
April 17, 2013, 12:44 AM
"Stupid is as stupid does"
It's how nature culls the heard :(

knighthawk-72
April 17, 2013, 12:45 AM
Stavman11 you really need to get a manuel and read it. I just started reloading my self with a manuel next to me. After I read it my first 100 came out great no crushed ones. And I still am reading to get more info. on reloading. The guys on here are giving you some good info. by getting your self a manuel. We all just want you to be safe and see that your next post ain't my gun is in pieces. Or worrse like I am missing my hand.

32_d3gr33s
April 17, 2013, 12:53 AM
wow this scares me. When i started reloading (not very long ago) i had no mistake rounds like that. I had a couple bullets that werent seated deep enough, but that was it. Im scared for his hands... and face... and gun. and....

stavman11
April 17, 2013, 10:55 AM
Kids Kids Kids

Thanks for all the concerns.... But Ive been Loading for quite a bit now with .223... and no issues yet... all My limbs and Guns in Tact....LOL

Reason for crushed cases are the Lee pro 1000 is for 38S... to run .357 ya need to back the Priming die and bullet seater out to accommodate the taller Case... so this took some Trial and ERRORS...:D

Hodgson itself show H110 starting at 158gr at 15gr... High of 16.7... So a 14.9 starting point should be good... Also I have a few friends who stated similar Bullet and h110 at 14.4-14.9... Measuer wouldnt do that.. only at 13.9 or 14.9.. so thats where ill start


so again... thanks for the concerns... And yes I will end up gettimg a manual due to me doing More Pistol loading now and more Options are out there..But I didnt just wake up yesteray and find components and start LOADING... that was Saturday....:p;):D:neener:

Back at ya ....

Stav

MtnCreek
April 17, 2013, 11:05 AM
Just keep in mind the type of mistakes that make for tough extraction in a rifle cartridge can distribute your pistol parts across the range. Any time you have a hiccup figuring out your press, make darn sure each case has a powder charge and only one powder charge.
The rest of us would be grateful if you'd wear a blaze orange vest at the range that says
Caution: Pistol Loading Noob
Stay Back 100 Ft :)

32_d3gr33s
April 17, 2013, 11:08 AM
My .357 dies came with a washer that you place under the dies when switching from .38 to .357. It does not set it perfect, so a little adjustment is necessary, but definitely would prevent smashed casing like that.

stavman11
April 17, 2013, 11:12 AM
LOL

You guys crack me up....

Im in the desert by mYself... so No Need for Orange Vest:)

Lee said to backoff Die 1 3/4 turn... ya Right... more like 2-1/2... confused me at 1st... but then started working good...

wont be back at it till the weekend... Gotta go Sell toy cars and race.... So Ill be sure and get back the ta keep ya entertained...

:D

IMtheNRA
April 17, 2013, 02:01 PM
Kids Kids Kids


Back at ya ....

Stav


Stav, you are passing a great opportunity to learn from some very experienced and knowledgeable reloaders on this forum. Your cavalier and somewhat condescending attitude toward safety as well as our forum members is not an effective way to conduct yourself when you come here looking for help and answers.

While I wish you luck in your reloading, I am backing out of this thread, and I hope that you consider dismissively "LOLing" at us less, and listening to those who are much more experienced than you, more.

floydster
April 17, 2013, 02:26 PM
IMtheNRA, could not have said it better myself---good post!!!

PlaneJain
April 17, 2013, 05:51 PM
Thanks for all the concerns.... But Ive been Loading for quite a bit now with .223... and no issues yet... all My limbs and Guns in Tact....LOL


All your loading experience and you yet start out with the bullet seating die seating your bullets that far down into the brass? :uhoh:


I'll keep an eye out for you on you-tube. LOL ;)


When you end up eating through a straw for the rest of your life, dont say we didn't warn ya.

Ky Larry
April 17, 2013, 06:02 PM
Failure to read,understand, and follow reloading manuals leads to Chlorox in the gene pool.

Yarddog
April 17, 2013, 06:57 PM
I think he needs to bell his brass a little more :uhoh: :what: PS Read a manual Please ; )
Y/D

stavman11
April 17, 2013, 07:35 PM
What i had asked for was some Insight on some Loads.... Not how to load in general.... Been doing that Long enough to know whats good and Bad.

So that said, a few started taking my joking and fun to the Extreme.... to each his own, but my Flipid or cavilier responses where to the extreme responses some have had assuming that i know nothing and dont know what I am doing...

Didint you see the 2 loaders in the second Pick:)

Anyone have a Lee Pro 1000 for 38S... Kinda a Pain ta setup for .357... so yup... took some Trial and error.. and Yes PlaneJain.. it took 4 tests ta get it backed out enough.... They said an extra 1-3/4 turns out... um..NO...LOL.... but its all good..:D

No-where in the Lymans manual (which i purchased today) does it say how to setup die's.. that just takes Time and trial and error for each setup you do... and changes on each Different Bullet type as well..... thats where the Crushed cases came from and Over seated Lead... Nothing to do with Double Charges... Over Charging.... or anything that is explained and shown in the Manual... Now it does have some great info for sure... and just spent an hour reading various items about Loading handguns and such....

yes My personality is a not for everyone... But saying Im gunna BLOW myself up because of a couple crushed Cases is un-realistic as well...
A few searches on the Internet will give you 90% of all info needed and found in the manuals... But... Now That I will start doing more Handgun Loads not just .223.... Figured it was a good time ta get a Manual....

And, as i noticed before, Lymans manual has diddly squat for various types of 158gr Lead info.... so... you must extrapolate this with the posted Powder manufacturer's Info as well the the Bullet Manuf Info.....

I have and always will appreciate all the help i have received and given on THR.....

Public forums are not a good way of conveying peoples Intents, Emotions, and thoughts.... people only see a small % of the entire thread/posts and some tend to perceive things as They see fit.. not always as the OP intended Them...

A couple posts sent this thread down the entirely wrong Road.... You yourself IMtheNRA had one of the 1st and GREAT posts to confirm where i already was headed in my loads... Thanks for That... Then after a couple posts it got a bit personal about my Heritage... Hy-gene.. and Upbringing.....:D

Again.... I appreciate all your concerns for my personal safety and all the Cactus around me in the desert.... ;)

And Thanks IMtheNRA, rcmodel, ScratchnDent, and MtnCreek for the Great Posts.... again confirmed what I was already thinking... and shiftyer1... thats what trial and error is for... yes ya Sacrifice a Few Brass... but once it's set... yer dialed besides a few Minor seating adjustments for different Bullets and Sizes....


And most the rest was good Laughter for me as well....
So if I offended anyone... Sorry.....

Hope we can all get a good laugh and Head shake at My Expense.....


Now Back to your regularly Scheduled Forum........

BYJO4
April 17, 2013, 07:58 PM
Having at least 2 reloading manuals on your bench is a must for me. The information contained in them is great for the new loader as well as the experienced. This forum is a great place to come to for help and clarification. By searching, you can find almost any topic that involves reloading. There have been numerous posts on how to adjust dies for example when the individual has questions after reading the instructions that came with their dies. Good luck and be safe.

stavman11
April 17, 2013, 08:06 PM
I agree BYJ04....

Setting up dies is Not Hard, well it can be, but it does take a few Tries.... last thing ya wanna do is load up a bunch of rounds that are seated... Primed... Charged... wrong...

I got the 38S/.357 Lee pro so i could do both... that wont happen.... Ill get a Plate setup for 38S on its own... can use same powder drop but changing/re-setting dies is too much of a pain....

CPLofMARINES
April 17, 2013, 08:14 PM
Anyways, thank you IMtheNRA.

oneyeopn
April 18, 2013, 11:58 AM
Wow this did run the gamut....Stav...like you, I didnt have anyone experienced to help me. I did buy a couple of books and have a couple more than that now. I read the books and the instructions that came with my die sets. Although I use a single stage press or a hand press to help limit my mistakes. It was still a matter of trial and error getting the dies set up correctly. I still occasionally mess up a case....But after shooting thousands of my rounds, both rifle and pistol I feel pretty comfortable...anyone who tells me that they have been loading for a while and have never messed up a piece of brass, I have to say (BS)!!!:neener:

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