Choosing a Mosin ~~LOL!!~~


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caribou
April 16, 2013, 11:02 PM
The wife and I have been at our doings, and shes been doing the shooting.

She put her PU to the test, Head shots on Arctic Jacks at 300 yards all the do da day........
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/edwardhailstone/IMGP6108_zps9b4645a3.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/edwardhailstone/media/IMGP6108_zps9b4645a3.jpg.html)

Seals are on her mind, we saw one up, but unfortuanatly only 500 yards out from the sons house,, lying on the sea ice, but bad form for shooting so close near the village, as bullets that hit or miss on ice often ricochet, so I watched her shake he head and laugh....maby a buncha PU Seal's soon though, the weathers gettuing mucho better.....or a Brown Bear.....and some more Caribou.
Shes actually shot quite a few Caribou as of recent, though we could use some more for drying while the suns up 19 hours and the weather breezy and in the mid teens, and no flys, so perfect drying weather for sure....

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/edwardhailstone/IMGP6072_zps384bf6e3.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/edwardhailstone/media/IMGP6072_zps384bf6e3.jpg.html)

She caught this guy with her M-39 and over open sights, a perfect shot up the pazzuza!

I dont think she has a preference yet, but time will tell. I shot a Pentax digital :D

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JVaughn
April 16, 2013, 11:13 PM
That must have been an awesome trip! I don't really hunt much; but I love the cold and always wanted to go to Alaska. I'm a little afraid if I found myself out there with a snowmobile and my rifle, surrounded by ice and snow and the quiet, I may just decide I had all I need and never go home.

Scooter22
April 16, 2013, 11:16 PM
Nice shooting! But you know those Moseens are crappy Rusky scrap.;) I only have about 25 of the various models. I'll take a Finn or 91/30 over a Mauser any day. Just are more accurate.

mo_dingo
April 17, 2013, 12:46 AM
Nice shooting! But you know those Moseens are crappy Rusky scrap.;) I only have about 25 of the various models. I'll take a Finn or 91/30 over a Mauser any day. Just are more accurate.
How many Mauser's do you own? I love their action!

But Mosin's are awesome, just picked up a M39!

Motega
April 17, 2013, 08:23 PM
that second pic is the biggest rabbit I've ever seen :what:

Scooter22
April 17, 2013, 11:04 PM
"How many Mauser's do you own? I love their action!" Hey how do you "quote" a post?

Ahhh, not sure off the top of my head. Multiples of: M95 Span, M38, M96 Swedes, M93, M1903, M03/38, M38 Turks, M48 Yugos, M24, M24/55, M98-22, Czechs, German 1898 LR, K98,.... I think I'm forgetting a couple. I've shot allot of Mausers along with my Mosins. For stock rifles I and my son can shoot more acurate with the Mosins. The sights are better.

WardenWolf
April 18, 2013, 01:09 PM
that second pic is the biggest rabbit I've ever seen :what:
That would be an arctic wolf. Not a rabbit. I have NO idea why she'd be hunting wolves. Seems wasteful.

nwilliams
April 18, 2013, 01:57 PM
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Cosmoline
April 18, 2013, 02:15 PM
They're not endangered and yes you can certainly hunt them. Their fur is about the warmest around. You guys watch too many nature shows.

I6turbo
April 18, 2013, 02:51 PM
They're not endangered and yes you can certainly hunt them. Their fur is about the warmest around. You guys watch too many nature shows.

:what: Algore the scam artist said that we're down to about the last two polar bears and a hand full of artic wolves, all the rest are already dead because of the fumes from American SUVs. Now you got me wondering if he's just flying around in his jet and telling lies to gullible suckers just to make himself filthy rich??? Algore wouldn't go that, would he??? :eek:

Sam Cade
April 18, 2013, 03:26 PM
Not a rabbit. I have NO idea why she'd be hunting wolves. Seems wasteful.

IIRC, The OP is a subsistence hunter.

That wolf hide will feed his family.

Robert
April 18, 2013, 05:40 PM
Yup, Caribou lives up near the artic circle year round. Takes a bit more to survive up there than it does down here where we can run to Wal-Mart for food and clothes. I would not be too quick to jump on him for feeding and clothing his family anyway he can. And it is legal so no issues there either.

caribou
April 18, 2013, 05:43 PM
Global warming is happening, even though Algore says it is from so n so, it happens to be VERY true that it is happening, what ever is causing it.

We happen to have 325,000 Caribou in our herd and as many Wolves as needed to keep the herds healthy and disease free. Wolves are in no way endangerd in Alaska, they were never wiped out so reintruduction problems and lies havent been a problem, nor has there ever been a lack of Wolves here to Hunt.
The one pictured was one of 7 and the wife made some great shots.
As well, we tan and cut up, then sew what we catch,to use, wear or sell, as its how hunting makes $$ for things that only $$ buys.
Regardless, we are subsistence Hunters Fishers, Gather'rs and trapping/hunting Fur is part of our way, and none are wasted.

When Fall comes and the ice is thin and darkness is 21 hours of our day, we will sit and tan, cut and sew. My wife sews tradional Inupiaq eskimo Clothing and we enjoy a good living this way....if we cant sell it, we can use it.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/edwardhailstone/Maniilaqdisplay8.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/edwardhailstone/media/Maniilaqdisplay8.jpg.html)

WardenWolf
April 18, 2013, 05:47 PM
Very nice, Caribou.

I6turbo
April 18, 2013, 06:44 PM
Caribou,

Awesome stuff. Do you ever sell anything direct to people in the lower 48?

USAF_Vet
April 18, 2013, 08:19 PM
I've been watching that show Yukon Men on Discovery (or maybe NatGeo, anyway) and I gotta say that is some tough living. Not sure it that is something I'd want to do, but I've been spoiled by easy living. Caribou and other arctic subsistence hunters/fishers/trappers have got to be hardcore. I have got to respect that.

I always enjoy Caribou's threads. Great pictures as always

Motega
April 19, 2013, 02:15 AM
I know it was a goddang wolf I was kidding. I was educated on the size of the hares though- at least twice as big as I imagined them!
Good for you on the wolf. I get the feeling some people think you just step off your porch every day and see a wolf and they don't understand the hours of biting cold and work that hunters put into ANY game especially one so wary.
I'm generally not into predator hunting but a hunter that wants to take a wolf with the proper tags has no reason to be criticized because it's not your thing.

caribou
April 19, 2013, 03:54 AM
I know theres no offence taken :D

This Wolf will be shown on a show that starts in May Lifebelowzero but they start in Dark Winter, during freeze up , when were all ready to stay home and tan, sew and set whitefish nets, so its an odd start to a show, and after a few episodes of them following us around weve got something we like allright. They filmed it all up to us doing a "quick and dirty" skinning to lighten the load, as it was freezing solid while the filming was loseing light, leaving on the paws and head and some meats , but tonight the wifes removed it all, the flesh, paws and skull and its a very clean , very nice hide.

We have always gone about our ways, weather some one approved or not. The Wolfs back legs meat actually was used to bait my traps.The hairs do not allow frost or ice to adhear , so the stuff can be brushed off easily with no damage to the garment, and ice wont be held to your face.A fur ruff also breaks the wind,and you wont freeze your face and nose as much with yourruff turned up, as deep cold isnt bad, its that frikkin' wind that cuts through it all.This is important here in the Arctic, and we trim clothing with Wolf, Wolverine and Polar Bear for those qualitys. The claws make great necklaces, the skulls get 50$-75$ and my wife can cut and sew it into about 1,500$ worth of ruffs, trims, mittens from the heads and mukluk tops from the leggings, as well as a brush or kids ruff from the tails. We dont sell raw skins to a fur buyer, we tan and make 'stuffs', and the value is much more and fewer Wolves need be hunted.


Once while awaiting a transfer flight in Portland we had a lady in the airport resteraunt tell the wife in a bitchy way that in HER day, they would spalsh that fur (her Wolverine trimmed fancy Caribou fawn parkee) in paint.
My wife told her if someone threw paint on her she would kick their donkey, sue them for the damage and spend the money on killing all the animals it takes to make a new parkee and then pray over every meal those animals would provide for God to forgive such an idiot.
Wow, that lady started to cry and my wife ignored her with a smile.

Still a Mosin Nagant is the sweet Rifle she used to get 'er done.

Bobson
April 19, 2013, 04:15 AM
I gotta get me a Mosin. I always heard they aren't too accurate, but obviously I heard wrong.

Awesome thread as always, caribou. Thanks for sharing it. :)

Motega
April 21, 2013, 12:32 PM
You guys are hilarious. Making stupid people be quiet restores my faith in humanity.
People can say what they want about man made fabrics but until you've used natural stuff like wool and down and fur you just don't get it.
We haven't eaten store bought meat in 15-20 years - all venison and assorted woodland creatures. And we don't buy venison (never would support farming game animals for a variety of reasons, it's even worse than regular livestock production) even in restaurants).
I tried tanning a deer hide once. I was trying to soak the hide to tan with hair off and didn't even get past step one. It's an amazing skill. Bravo!

denton
April 21, 2013, 01:49 PM
My wife told her if someone threw paint on her ... then pray over every meal those animals would provide for God to forgive such an idiot. Wow, that lady started to cry and my wife ignored her with a smile.

Evidence that speaking ignorantly and rudely to a lady who can shoot a wolf, skin it, and turn it into something useful may not be the wisest path. Good for your wife.

Delightful pictures. Thanks for posting.

Outlaw Man
April 21, 2013, 02:01 PM
Those are awesome pics! Looks like a fun hunt, and good shootin' by your wife. Everyone should have a Mosin, though few actually use them to survive.

I'm a little afraid if I found myself out there with a snowmobile and my rifle, surrounded by ice and snow and the quiet, I may just decide I had all I need and never go home.
My biggest fear, too. I honestly don't know if I'm tough enough to make it, but I'd have fun trying...until the frostbite and starvation set in.

jackblack86
April 21, 2013, 07:32 PM
god I love thr what a treat it was to read this thread thank you:)

Swampman
April 21, 2013, 08:37 PM
caribou do you mind my asking what sort of ammo you use in your Mosin for the various critters that you and your wife hunt?

caribou
April 21, 2013, 10:57 PM
I had a preference for steel Czeck LPS or hand loads, shes always shot brass and has quite a stockpile (alomst 1,000) of emptys to reload. She strores her stuff at her brothers and they have been toying with some load, hopefully perfecting one.
About 10 years ago I got ahold of an antique reciverd Sako M39 7.62X53r, nothing of that type cartridge is sold in this country, and handloads were all I could do to shoot it, and thats what it took. If I wanted milsurp to go in, I had to force the handle down a bit, so that was out.

Back a year ago I was trying out unique in 12 gr small game loads with cast bullets, was pretty cool and effective.

Swampman
April 22, 2013, 12:36 AM
I've still got a case and a half of the Czech silvertip, it's amazing stuff! Years ago I lived on a pig farm and killed a LOT of wild hogs with an old M44 Mosin. At the time, the only reloadable cases available were Norma and out of my reach financially, so I used surplus for most of my hog shooting. The Czech ammo killed far better than the others I tried, even though it wasn't super accurate in the .316 bore.
It's odd that the "7.62x53r" M39 wouldn't chamber surplus 7.62x54r, since to the best of my knowledge, they're the same thing, it's just that the Finns used (and still use) a different name. I have heard that some of the Finnish rifles were built with .308 barrels for target shooting, that might explain why you couldn't chamber regular 7.62x54r, although I thought it was the M-28's that were usually found with .308 bores.
Hopefully someone with more knowledge of Finn Mosins will weigh in with a better theory.

caribou
April 22, 2013, 01:40 AM
It was "odd", that M-39, and had the 7.62X53R stamped right along the side with no SA, so I figure it was a postwar Armorers put togther. Ive seen a few others listed for sale or posted on Mosin Forums. It seems they were slugged to .308, and the chamber quite correct. Some suggest "Target" type Officers rifles, but I dont know.
I gave it to my oldest daughter, and she put it away in storage. No date on the barrel, buta '95 tang date underneat, so for who made it, theres just the armorie, AV-1 on the barrels face

If I had it relieved in the throat area, to take the longer "D" cartridge it would have shot 7.62X54r, but I didnt buy it to do that to it ~~LOL!!~~
still, it was a dandy, despit it being antique and needing hand made ammo.

InkEd
April 22, 2013, 11:29 PM
I went to Alaska last year on a cruise. It was absolutely beautiful. However, the only 3-5 hours of darkness really screwed with me. I gained a new appreciation for the sheer size brown bear! I had previously only seen them in zoos. I think I would feel under equipped with anything in my collection if hunting one. (Biggest caliber I own is .308) Also, you would NEVER guess bald eagles are endangered if you only lived in Alaska.

Onmilo
April 23, 2013, 05:07 AM
Awesome!
Shooting a rifle in the kind of country tailor made for that kind of rifle!

stubbicatt
April 23, 2013, 08:41 AM
Taking nothing from Caribou, who has led me down the straight path of the SVT40, and through the minefield of x54r ammo, I wonder why shooting wolves is wasteful *unless* one is a subsistence hunter? Beem shooting predators for years for hides and extra $, and I get that same reaction from city folk, who don't seem to get it.

BTW, Caribou, I looked it up and nowhere was I able to find a Pazzuza on a wolf's anatomy! ;)

You simply have to respect a 300 yard head shot on a rabbit. Even a big rabbit. Even a mutant giant rabbit like the one she's holding.

hang fire
April 23, 2013, 03:22 PM
It was "odd", that M-39, and had the 7.62X53R stamped right along the side with no SA, so I figure it was a postwar Armorers put togther. Ive seen a few others listed for sale or posted on Mosin Forums. It seems they were slugged to .308, and the chamber quite correct. Some suggest "Target" type Officers rifles, but I dont know.
I gave it to my oldest daughter, and she put it away in storage. No date on the barrel, buta '95 tang date underneat, so for who made it, theres just the armorie, AV-1 on the barrels face

If I had it relieved in the throat area, to take the longer "D" cartridge it would have shot 7.62X54r, but I didnt buy it to do that to it ~~LOL!!~~
still, it was a dandy, despit it being antique and needing hand made ammo.


In the Finnish wars with the Russians, said Russians were a top supplier of captured MN rifle ammunition. So with the exception of the M28, all other Finnish MN rebarrels were deliberately chambered to accept the 7.62x54r with no problems.

I have three Finn M39 rifles and all barrels have slugged a .310" bore. One a 1942 Sako Continuation War veteran, the other two, are like new 1968 no name M39 rifles and I shoot combloc 7.62x54 in all of them.

Cast boolits also work great in the MN rifles, last week i witnessed my son-in-law shooting one of the no name rifles and repeatedly printing 3 shot one hole groups. At 200 yards he knocked around a 5" rock without missing easy as pie. All were a very mild load, 6 grains of Trail Boss pushing a GC 175 grain hard cast boolit.

caribou
April 23, 2013, 05:51 PM
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/edwardhailstone/76253r_zps2ee4a798.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/edwardhailstone/media/76253r_zps2ee4a798.jpg.html)

The M-39 'no name' 7.62x53r exception/variation :D No 'D' mark anywhere and a 7.62X54r has to forced in. Oddly, (or not really) theres a SAKO gear wheel stamped on the reciver, but the no names were made inthe 60s after Sako was 'dissolved' as a rifle maker then, so its definitly a recycled recycled reciver ~~LOL!!~~

The bore slugged .308, and theres more than a couple out there. On my favorite MosinNagant forums I have seen maybe 3 more. Im thinking a very nice , crisp M28/30 barrel was used, as they were the first and true 7.62X53r with .308 bore and use the rear sight and barrel profile of the later M-39.

As well, the wife has an M28/76 in 7.62x53 r (no 'D' mark for throat relief)biathalon Rifle working its way here, and since she has a good base for reloading for that caliber, I think she'll do dynamite shooting it. Her brother was bragging up haveing a couple thousand .308 Seirra Match Kings to stuff into cases, when they load up over there, so time will tell.

Stubbi, any form of 'fur' hunting/trapping draws 'Boooo's' from the anti fur crowd. Thats just life in general, so laugh at 'em :D

LeonCarr
April 23, 2013, 08:03 PM
Caribou,

Thank you for the great stories and pictures, and for providing us an inside look at your life in the 49th. Please keep them coming.

Thanks again,
LeonCarr

hang fire
April 23, 2013, 08:59 PM
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/edwardhailstone/76253r_zps2ee4a798.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/edwardhailstone/media/76253r_zps2ee4a798.jpg.html)

The M-39 'no name' 7.62x53r exception/variation :D No 'D' mark anywhere and a 7.62X54r has to forced in. Oddly, (or not really) theres a SAKO gear wheel stamped on the reciver, but the no names were made inthe 60s after Sako was 'dissolved' as a rifle maker then, so its definitly a recycled recycled reciver ~~LOL!!~~

The bore slugged .308, and theres more than a couple out there. On my favorite MosinNagant forums I have seen maybe 3 more. Im thinking a very nice , crisp M28/30 barrel was used, as they were the first and true 7.62X53r with .308 bore and use the rear sight and barrel profile of the later M-39.

As well, the wife has an M28/76 in 7.62x53 r (no 'D' mark for throat relief)biathalon Rifle working its way here, and since she has a good base for reloading for that caliber, I think she'll do dynamite shooting it. Her brother was bragging up haveing a couple thousand .308 Seirra Match Kings to stuff into cases, when they load up over there, so time will tell.

Stubbi, any form of 'fur' hunting/trapping draws 'Boooo's' from the anti fur crowd. Thats just life in general, so laugh at 'em :D
The Finn military never had a single MN receiver made, so any receiver they used was a recycled one.

IIRC, there were approximately a little over 5,000 no name M39 rifles made from late 1960s into the early 1970s.

caribou
April 23, 2013, 09:13 PM
That the Finns never made a reciver for a Mosin Nagant is very true. I shoulda noted that :D

"But" with a Sako gear wheel stamp on the reciver (unusual, the Finns hardly ever marked a reciver, 'cept to 'punch' Imperial Eagals) and cocking piece shows it was at one time built into a variation of sorts via 'Sako' , who assembled rifles for the Civil Guard from captured and purchased M91's.
in 1944, as part of the peace terms, Sako, as a rifle manufactuter, along with the Finnish Civil Guards, was dissolved.
The No name rifles were made by VKT (Valmet) the Finnish Army ordenace depot at AV1, the Army depot, so this reciver was recycled from its original, first by Sako, who made it into an M-24, an M28, M-28/30 or an M-39, and was then re-recycled, into this current configuration.

The closer to real 'story' on No-names is that they were assembled by student armorers into very accurate rifles for officers qualifycations and targeting rifles.

The popular 'no maker' story here in the States was that they were made on the 'sneak', implying they made in secret, while actually there were never any 'sneaks' as the Finnish army was openly manufacturing the Finn AK varient.

Lj1941
April 23, 2013, 09:53 PM
Your life story is the thing dreams are made of. What a great story and way of life. I guess that you are truely living on the LAST FRONTIER!:)

hang fire
April 23, 2013, 11:48 PM
The popular 'no maker' story here in the States was that they were made on the 'sneak', implying they made in secret, while actually there were never any 'sneaks' as the Finnish army was openly manufacturing the Finn AK varient.



Under the 1944 armistice with the Soviets, production of weapons was very limited, the 7.62 RK 62 mfg. by Valmet, were for standing forces only. For reserves, they bought 7.62 RK 56 and 7.62RK 56 TP rifles from the Chinese, and later 7.62 RK 72 TP rifles from the East German’s.

We lived in Alaska from 1969-76: http://hstrial-rchambers.homestead.com/untitled2.html

http://hstrial-rchambers.homestead.com/Index.html

I6turbo
April 24, 2013, 12:36 AM
We lived in Alaska from 1969-76: http://hstrial-rchambers.homestead.com/untitled2.html

http://hstrial-rchambers.homestead.com/Index.html

Wow! Awesome.

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