Barrel Link Ruger SR1911


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2bfree
April 17, 2013, 05:49 PM
Ruger SR1911 bought on 11/12/12, about 1000 rounds fired, I noticed this gouge on the barrel link. Measures .190 X .082. I don’t know if it was there from new or just noticed on about the 8th or 9th cleaning. Should I be concerned? I see nothing other then the recoil spring that it might hit and no marks on it. Thanks
I will add, I really like this gun, no other problems.

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BigShep85
April 17, 2013, 11:15 PM
Factory or not, I dont think it is supposed to be there
But if it runs fine maybe it is fine

Bill4282
April 17, 2013, 11:55 PM
How much pressure is on the link during cycling? I'd see if Ruger would replace rather than risk failure.

mljdeckard
April 18, 2013, 12:11 AM
^^ I concur. Ruger will gladly fix it for free.

Jim K
April 18, 2013, 12:19 AM
I can't think of anything in the pistol that would cause that; it looks like a casting/MIM flaw.

Jim

2bfree
April 18, 2013, 03:57 PM
Thanks, I e-mailed Ruger last night and got a response this morning giving me a guys name and email to send pictures to at Ruger, I will see. Thanks again

2bfree
April 19, 2013, 01:32 PM
Got the following from Ruger.

From what I am seeing in the pictures you sent, it appears as if it is just a casting pit. It will not cause you any issues or be anything you need to be concerned

about. If you are not comfortable with this though, we can get it in here and check it out/replace it for you. Let me know how you would like to proceed

forward.





Nick Walters



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Nick Walters- 88255

Customer Service Lead Technician- Prescott

Sturm Ruger & Company, Inc.

200 Ruger Rd.

Prescott, AZ 86301

nwalters@ruger.com

928-778-6555

I think I will put another 300 or so rounds through it and make sure it gets no worse and call it good. I really don't want to go through the hassle of shipping or be without the gun for a few weeks.

funnelcake
April 19, 2013, 03:02 PM
Ruger uses a CAST barrel link? :scrutiny:

Funnel

hardluk1
April 19, 2013, 06:17 PM
Maybe a forged link and the connector was not ground off.

funnelcake
April 20, 2013, 12:14 AM
Something like that more likely. I know Ruger casts a lot of stuff (and does it really well) but I've never seen a cast barrel link from any manufacturer on any 1911. No means seen them all, but I think the Ruger CS guy...is mistaken.

Funnel

texagun
April 23, 2013, 11:26 AM
I would send it in and have it replaced. Just wondering what your decision was?

HarcyPervin
April 23, 2013, 12:37 PM
Mine doesn't have that casting mark, although it does have one on the similar surface (I'm not great on 1911 terminology) on the hammer. I'll see if i can get a picture of it tonight. On the hammer it doesn't bug me much, but on the link it might a lot more.

texagun
April 23, 2013, 12:54 PM
Mine doesn't have that casting mark, although it does have one on the similar surfac on the hammer.

If the mark on the hammer looks like a dot, that is normal.

HarcyPervin
April 23, 2013, 01:17 PM
It's larger than a dot, I'll get a picture of it tonight. I also have the line on the breech face that others are seeing where the J-cut wasn't completely finished

Jim Watson
April 23, 2013, 01:19 PM
That is an ugly cheap part for sure. I don't know if the flaw is a weak part that is likely to break.
I doubt it is a fitted part; probably standard hole sizes and hole to hole spacing.
Ruger should send you a replacement you can put in by yourself. Might have to buy a good punch to knock out the pin with, but that is all.

Send it in? A hundred bucks or more in Fedups' pocket plus the warranty clerk's time to be included in Ruger's next price increase. None of this "good customer service" is really free, you know.

Of course, Ruger may be so afraid of liability that they cannot assume you are smart enough to disassemble and reassemble a gun of a hundred year old design meant to be used and maintained by troops with maybe a grammar school education.

2bfree
April 23, 2013, 03:34 PM
Texagun, I think I will have them just send me the link and pin. If I can't do it I am sure the local gunsmith could do it for less then shipping would be. Then again, I may just keep shooting it and make sure it does not get any worse. The guy at Ruger told me to let him know what way I wanted to go and they would take care of me.

Fremmer
April 25, 2013, 01:16 AM
Is the link MIM?

98Redline
April 25, 2013, 11:30 AM
I would pull that MIM link out and replace it with an EGW custom link
http://www.egwguns.com/barrel-links/individual-barrel-links/

Measure the original link then order what you need direct from EGW....it is a $6 part.

HarcyPervin
April 26, 2013, 12:05 PM
Ok...managed to take some pictures...

183286

Here's the mark on the hammer:
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And the uneven cut on the breech face:
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Fremmer
April 27, 2013, 08:39 AM
Geeze if they're gonna use MIM, they ought to do it right with properly cast parts.

ku4hx
April 27, 2013, 09:17 AM
I can remember new cars in the late '50s and early '60s coming with a little cloth bag of nuts, bolts and other things. They were parts you'd bought and paid for but didn't get installed. I often wondered what would fall off first.

We've come a long way.

2bfree
April 27, 2013, 12:27 PM
Ok, I give up. What is "MIM" ?

tarosean
April 27, 2013, 12:28 PM
^ Metal Injection Molding


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_injection_molding

2bfree
April 29, 2013, 07:09 PM
Just the last update. Decided to just have them send a new link and pin, even offered to pay for them. Ruger told me no problem and they would just put them in the mail no charge. Really happy with Ruger service.

JohnnyRotten
May 1, 2013, 12:06 AM
Glad they took care of your problem! My link looks like it has been machined. Love my SR1911!

Greg528iT
May 1, 2013, 10:47 AM
Harcy... I'd send that hammer picture to Ruger.. In that portion of the hammer I'd worry about a stress crack starting there.

HarcyPervin
May 1, 2013, 11:44 AM
I contacted customer services, we'll see what happens, I'm not huge on the idea of mailing my gun anywhere especially since it's my only pistol. I'll update once I hear from them.

HarcyPervin
May 1, 2013, 12:37 PM
I have to say it, I love Ruger - within 30 minutes I'm set up with someone to address my issue with their product.

CoRoMo
May 1, 2013, 01:07 PM
Ok...managed to take some pictures...

183286

Here's the mark on the hammer:
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And the uneven cut on the breech face:
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As for the breech face, I've fought with Ruger and I've been through three SR1911's, each with the exact mis-machined breech. They eventually told me to leave them alone and that this is what they call 'spec'.

The SR1911 is a 94% finished product. The end user has to find a way to finish the last 6% of work needed.

HarcyPervin
May 2, 2013, 10:28 AM
That's basically the reaction I got. I did mistakenly call the mark a casting flaw, but here's the response:

Mike,

The “casting flaw” you are seeing in the hammer is not a casting flaw, it is where the metal injection goes into the mold. All of the 1911 hammers look like this. If you are
uncomfortable with that I can always send you a new hammer. All of our 1911s have this step near the J cut as well. We can get the pistol in and get it checked out, but if
it is within factory tolerance, we cannot do any type of “custom” work. Let me know if you would like a new hammer, or the firearm to come in.


Nick Walters



Nick Walters- 88255
Customer Service Lead Technician- Prescott
Sturm Ruger & Company, Inc.
200 Ruger Rd.
Prescott, AZ 86301
nwalters@ruger.com
928-778-6555


My response:

Hi Nick,
If having an uneven breech face is acceptable by your standards (even if only slightly uneven) then I am not comfortable sending my gun to you for repair, especially if the problem won't be remedied. I would, however, like to replace the hammer. Please send a replacement to me at:

CoRoMo
May 2, 2013, 12:38 PM
If having an uneven breech face is acceptable by your standards...
LOL!!

When I sent my first SR1911 back they completely ignored the breech face issue. They sent it back with a note that said that they fired 30 rounds of Black Hills through it and could not recreate the malfunction I described.

:confused:

Malfunction I described? What malfunction did I describe? I never shot the pistol once; not before nor after it went back to Ruger. I simply noticed the flaw when I got it home and sent it straight in. When I got it back, I returned it to Davidson's and out came the 2nd pistol with the same defect. Then the third, which is a little better than the first two and I'll just clean the breech up myself.

HarcyPervin
May 2, 2013, 12:54 PM
They are sending me the hammer to install myself. To his credit, he did respond again:

No problem at all. I apologize about the breech face issue. You can take it to a gunsmith if you would like. My technicians are just simply not allowed to do
anything deemed as “custom work” on the pistols.

I'm just going to leave it alone, I know that the "step" on the breech face isn't as bad as others and it's not going to change how mine operates, I guess it's just a pride of ownership thing. The other thing is that I just can't seem to scrub the gun clean, I guess I need to get some different solvents/oils than what came in my Remington Universal Cleaning Kit

DPris
May 2, 2013, 01:04 PM
Ruger uses a MIM hammer, thumb safety, grip safety, sights, ejector, link, slide stop, sear and disconnector in their 1911s. Aside from the cast frame, they say no other "cast" parts in the guns.
The two "gouges" shown are voids from the MIM process. They shouldn't be there, but they're cosmetic & shouldn't affect longterm function.
Denis

CoRoMo
May 2, 2013, 01:15 PM
Mine works 100% and the J-cut step does not even impress the slightest of marks on the case heads. The first SR1911 of course had the obligatory spent casing in the little envelope included with the gun, and after seeing the J-cut issue on it, I opened up that envelope to look at the case head and one edge of the head had almost been torn off due to the size of that unfinished portion of the breech. No way I was keeping that first pistol!

This isn't a Ruger-only issue though; I've seen Sig1911's with double the value of the SR1911 that had this J-cut issue.

HarcyPervin
May 2, 2013, 01:47 PM
Ruger uses a MIM hammer, thumb safety, grip safety, sights, ejector, link, slide stop, sear and disconnector in their 1911s. Aside from the cast frame, they say no other "cast" parts in the guns.
The two "gouges" shown are voids from the MIM process. They shouldn't be there, but they're cosmetic & shouldn't affect longterm function.
Denis

Right, I admitted that I mis-typed when I called it a casting flaw. That being said, if they're willing to send me a replacement part for one that is admittedly out-of-spec or improperly produced, I'm not going to say "no" to it, even if I don't install it right away.

Greg528iT
May 2, 2013, 02:18 PM
Harcy. Looking at your pictures again.. I can see where the void in the hammer is NOT in a place likely to crack.. but I am glad they are sending you a new hammer. If it is the injection point, I'd hope they inject a tad more material as a normal course. I expect your new hammer to have a smaller spot in it.

As for the face cuts. I'd expect to see that a bit. I am sure they use 2 different cutters and getting those to be exactly the same depth is tough. Even the same cutter on a separate path may move. A good gun smith with emery cloth may be able to blend it flush but chances are you'll still see it, even though you couldn't feel the edge.

Good to hear Ruger is taking care of you.

DPris
May 2, 2013, 02:46 PM
The "Commander" I have here has that little hammer dimple, I had to shine a light to see it after reading about it.
It won't hurt anything. :)

The Ruger isn't perfect, but overall I don't see many of the typical Colt QC issues in fit & finish on it.

Denis

2bfree
May 2, 2013, 04:10 PM
I got the new link and pin today. Very fast customer service. I'm happy :)

HarcyPervin
May 3, 2013, 11:32 AM
Good news, I'm expecting my new hammer next week.

Fremmer
May 3, 2013, 10:04 PM
Have the breech fixed to make it right.

HarcyPervin
May 4, 2013, 07:20 PM
I think I'm not going to do anything with it. I don't reload at this point and it doesn't seem to be screwing up the brass. I also really don't like the idea of putting a gun in the box and sending it anywhere...

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