Its all the NRA's fault


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kyhunter
April 18, 2013, 01:57 AM
:confused:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/msnbc-nra-business-helping-bombers-get-away-their-crimes_718001.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

"But that investigation could be moving faster were it not for the successful lobbying efforts of the National Rifle Association. The NRA's efforts to guarantee that American mass murderers are the best-equipped mass murders in the world is not limited to murderers who use assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. The NRA is also in the business of helping bombers get away with their crimes. Gunpowder could be traced by investigators to a buyer at the point of sale if gunpowder contained a taggant, an element that would enable tracing of the purchase of gunpowder.


Seriously guys? What are they gonna throw at us next?

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usmarine0352_2005
April 18, 2013, 02:51 AM
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Wow, that's a leap.



I suppose it's pressure cookers and backpack makers faults too for the bombing.
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Inebriated
April 18, 2013, 03:10 AM
Surely this isn't a surprise, though.

When the President is up in front of the country blaming the NRA for his bad day, what do you expect his media outlets to do?

Solo
April 18, 2013, 03:14 AM
Gunpowder could be traced by investigators to a buyer at the point of sale if gunpowder contained a taggant, an element that would enable tracing of the purchase of gunpowder.
There is so much wrong about this sentence that I want to take my degree in organic chemistry and bat the author around the head with it until the knowledge of how chemistry works enters his brain through osmosis.

BigBore44
April 18, 2013, 03:20 AM
I had no idea the NRA was so evil. I'm so glad someone informed me. I'm going to need a while to contemplate all these epiphanies to decide if I want to continue to support them.... Ok, I've decided I will continue.

Sorry pres. Gonna have to try harder.

12131
April 18, 2013, 03:47 AM
PMSNBC, what do you really expect?

Thursday45
April 18, 2013, 03:57 AM
Wait until they "scientifically" link "hazardous gun emissions" with global warming.... And food shortages in Africa. I say this in jest but I wouldn't put it past them.

Ignition Override
April 18, 2013, 04:45 AM
Inebriated:
Yes, the mostly state-run media.

Most networks did little if any investigative journalism into F&F or the Benghazi attacks. If I missed it, would appreciate any info to the contrary.
It is generally a media-wide hands-off policy, even After an election.

OilyPablo
April 18, 2013, 07:11 AM
So, for sure the explosions were gunpowder based?

hunttheevil
April 18, 2013, 07:44 AM
They were blackpowder based pipe bombs in the center of the pressure cooker surrounded by shrapnel. According to al queda, the pressure cooker lets the pressure build up to maximize the explosive force.

akv3g4n
April 18, 2013, 08:01 AM
Can one of you guys with some expertise on this subject clarify why the NRA opposed putting taggants in gunpowder? My search online shows that they said that it is expensive and wouldn't stop bombings anyway. It seems that there are quite a few European countries that have utilized this to solve several bombings though.

Obviously they are desperate to throw the NRA under the bus for anything but I'm trying to get an understanding of why we oppose this.

jgiehl
April 18, 2013, 08:08 AM
Perhaps we should look to ban high capacity pressure cookers?
Just a thought.

foghornl
April 18, 2013, 08:09 AM
NRA Guilty ? ? ? ? ?

Seems as though the "Lame Scream Media" performs the same functions for the Current ahhhhh "regime" that Pravda performs for The Kremlin.

jmr40
April 18, 2013, 08:09 AM
clarify why the NRA opposed putting taggants in gunpowder?

The taggants came up years ago, back in the early 90's I think. If I remember correctly it changes the properties of the powder somewhat. It could make loading a little more dangerous and would require entirely new load data to be developed.

I'm working from memory here about stuff that happened 20 years ago so forgive me if I'm incorrect.

longknife12
April 18, 2013, 08:11 AM
Ya just have to understand.....Bloomie is NOT a "special interest group".....
Dan

Midwest
April 18, 2013, 08:18 AM
Perhaps we should look to ban high capacity pressure cookers?
Just a thought.
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/221710_449483471794325_1155108138_n.jpg

akv3g4n
April 18, 2013, 08:26 AM
Thanks jmr40. I found a similar explanation:

Taggants in primers and powder were a bad idea because they would change the loading density and burn characteristics of the product. Part of the problem stems from extensive use of explosives in quary operations and building demolition. After a few years of using recycled materials taggants would be everywhere. If you added enough of them to a product to distinguish from the background noise of residual taggants you would substantially alter the product.


over here:http://forums.handloads.com/archive/forum_posts.asp?TID=1213

It makes sense but I am still looking for a reputable source to reference when this comes up for debate.

Pilot
April 18, 2013, 08:32 AM
NBC, MSNBC are owned by Comcast which is run by far left, Obama bundlers. PBS (funded partially by your tax dollars) ABC, CBS, CNN, AP, Reuters, Washpo, NYT, etc. All far left, statist, anti-gun propaganda outlets. Do not trust ANYTHING that comes from these "news" orgs.

baz
April 18, 2013, 09:07 AM
How much gunpowder does it take to detonate a bomb like the Boston Marathon devices? If gunpowder were "tagged" what would stop someone from getting commercially loaded ammo and removing the powder from it to use in one of these things. There are always ways to get around "well intended" laws like this. If society really wants to deal with gun violence -- or any kind of violence, including terrorism -- we need to return to a justice system based on lex talionis.

blahpony
April 18, 2013, 09:09 AM
A small capacity pressure cooker is fine if only one or two people come over for dinner. But what if 8-10 people come over? Are you really supposed to reload a smaller pressure cooker multiple times so everyone can eat?

Then can have my pressure cooker when they pry it from my oven-mitted hands.

rodinal220
April 18, 2013, 09:15 AM
Are we back to the taggant issue again??? The antis have been trying to use that one since the 1970s. It seems they always use the same old arguments and waste everyones time with their pablum.

returningfire
April 18, 2013, 09:35 AM
If we are going to ban pressure cookers we had better go after scissors as well. I hear there are people out there that run with them. Somebody's gonna get hurt. Gasp!

Blackstone
April 18, 2013, 09:36 AM
A small capacity pressure cooker is fine if only one or two people come over for dinner. But what if 8-10 people come over? Are you really supposed to reload a smaller pressure cooker multiple times so everyone can eat?

Then can have my pressure cooker when they pry it from my oven-mitted hands.
And the people who intended to cook for 8-10 people are gonna have the high capacity pressure cookers anyway.

bigdaa
April 18, 2013, 09:41 AM
I suppose we should all get ready for leftist backlashes stirred up by the hate mongering progressives.

I do remember the 60's though I was a youngster, and I remember when the leftists burned the Bank of America down here.

I knew soldiers who were spit on when they came home. And that skank Jane Fonda had a ranch right above all us little people living here in Santa Barbara.

Liberals, you know, members of the party of "love and compassion" have a way of destroying things when they do not get their way.

Well, I'm considerably older now, and have the feeling I won't stand for much of their tantrums and destruction anymore as the fate of this Great Nation lies in the balance.

swalton1943
April 18, 2013, 09:59 AM
black powder=charcoal13.5%, potassium nitrate77.5%,sulphur9%. where is the source?

kurt1305
April 18, 2013, 10:03 AM
Clearly the answer was a bomb-free zone. We wouldn't even be having this discussion were that common sense element in place. You know it is true.

GarySTL
April 18, 2013, 10:04 AM
What's the form number to register my pressure cooker? Does it need to be signed by my CLEO, or just a chef?

jerkface11
April 18, 2013, 10:04 AM
According to al queda, the pressure cooker lets the pressure build up to maximize the explosive force.

Which is silly. A normal pressure cooker only allows the pressure to build up to 2 atmospheres. Adding 15 psi to your explosive device would make no noticeable difference.

Blackstone
April 18, 2013, 10:15 AM
Clearly the answer was a bomb-free zone. We wouldn't even be having this discussion were that common sense element in place. You know it is true.
Now why has nobody thought of that?!

Midwest
April 18, 2013, 11:44 AM
What's the form number to register my pressure cooker? Does it need to be signed by my CLEO, or just a chef?
Form # 232F-15PSI

The Chef Law Enforcement Officer signs it.

RiverPerson
April 18, 2013, 12:40 PM
NRA and gun owners are the new popular groups to beat up on.

BigG
April 18, 2013, 12:48 PM
BigG,
Life Member, NRA.

Nuff said.

Onward Allusion
April 18, 2013, 01:08 PM
Holy crap! These boys & girls are really reaching now. They gotta be pretty desperate.

snakeman
April 18, 2013, 01:15 PM
I knew this was coming. The sad thing is, the explosion in West is not seeing as much attention as the bombings in Boston. You know why? It's a small Texas community instead of a largely populated urban area.

Cosmoline
April 18, 2013, 01:17 PM
I suppose it's pressure cookers and backpack makers faults too for the bombing.

The TRUTH about the Home Canning Association--next on MSNBC.

RTR_RTR
April 18, 2013, 01:27 PM
Which is silly. A normal pressure cooker only allows the pressure to build up to 2 atmospheres. Adding 15 psi to your explosive device would make no noticeable difference.

I'm pretty sure the 2 atmospheres is only with the safety valve intact. I would assume they'd take care of that prior

jerkface11
April 18, 2013, 02:20 PM
Without the popoff valve I doubt they hold more than 150 psi. It's more of a way to make a pipe bomb for terrorists too unskilled to cut and thread a pipe.

Akita1
April 18, 2013, 02:29 PM
Noise

beatledog7
April 18, 2013, 02:33 PM
A small capacity pressure cooker is fine if only one or two people come over for dinner. But what if 8-10 people come over? Are you really supposed to reload a smaller pressure cooker multiple times so everyone can eat?

To borrow a turn of phrase from Governor Cuomo: "Nobody needs ten guests to have a dinner!"

HOWARD J
April 18, 2013, 02:57 PM
I guess their love of Obama makes these Media outlets very hateful if you are not following the socialist liberal Obama way of thinking

USAF_Vet
April 18, 2013, 07:06 PM
A small capacity pressure cooker is fine if only one or two people come over for dinner. But what if 8-10 people come over? Are you really supposed to reload a smaller pressure cooker multiple times so everyone can eat?

Then can have my pressure cooker when they pry it from my oven-mitted hands.
What if they had several low capacity pressure cookers? They could still feed a lot of people in a short time. I think the technique is called a New York Second Helping.

hnk45acp
April 19, 2013, 01:39 PM
You can have a high capacity pressure cooker but you can only cook for 7 people.
-Cuomo

Deer_Freak
April 19, 2013, 02:05 PM
It's pretty easy to follow the purchase of anything in this day and age. You have to use a credit card or cashiers check to buy anything online. Brick and mortar vendors would remember the one guy that bought a bunch of gunpowder with cash. Not to mention their security cameras would have video of the sale.

JERRY
April 19, 2013, 02:07 PM
What the socialist call fault I call praise.

brickeyee
April 19, 2013, 03:34 PM
Quote:
According to al queda, the pressure cooker lets the pressure build up to maximize the explosive force.
Which is silly. A normal pressure cooker only allows the pressure to build up to 2 atmospheres. Adding 15 psi to your explosive device would make no noticeable difference.

Do not confuse design limits with rupture limits.

Itis desifn\ged to safely operate at 15 PSI.

The ability to contain a fast rising pressure wave from black or smokeless powder that cannot be vented through the small safety most have is very different.

It still did not contain the pressure very long to go very high order, notice the huge orange flash off unconsumed powder that occurred.

Watch some real high order things and you may notice a regular TV camera (or an old film camera) often never capture any flash, just the sudden appearance of dust and debris from the detonation.

The flash is way to short.

Think of the nice white flash on the 4th from large fireworks.
THAT black went high order.

GarySTL
April 19, 2013, 04:16 PM
Form # 232F-15PSI

The Chef Law Enforcement Officer signs it.

I see what you did there. :rolleyes:

jerkface11
April 19, 2013, 11:38 PM
It still did not contain the pressure very long to go very high order, notice the huge orange flash off unconsumed powder that occurred.

Like I said it's for terrorists who lack the ability to cut and thread a pipe. It even has premade holes for your fusing.

TheSaint
April 19, 2013, 11:48 PM
No wonder MSNBC is just ahead of the pathetic CNN in terms of ratings. Most Americans see these loons for who they really are. Truly, what a remarkable statement of moonbattery.

jmace57
April 20, 2013, 07:55 AM
<OK guys, listen...Walmart gets deliveries of pressure cookers on on Tuesday mornings at 6AM>

Sam1911
April 20, 2013, 08:44 AM
We've strayed off into bombs and pressure cookers. Enough on that.

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