Argh!! Stuck 223 Case


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cwbys4evr
April 18, 2013, 07:28 PM
Lee Pro 1000 Press
Lube: Lyman spray on case lube
Problem: At the top of the press cycle on my very first round, the case stuck along with the shell plate assembly, and the shell plate assembly separated from the ram on the down stroke. Tried screwing the sizing die out but it won't turn after a certain point. Ant suggestions? I tried a hammer on a screw driver as a lever.
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CLP
April 18, 2013, 09:31 PM
If the shellplate is now detached, why isn't the die screwing all the way out? Or am I not understanding the problem correctly? Time to break out http://www.brownells.com/reloading/reloading-dies/stuck-case-removers/rcbs-stuck-case-remover-prod34373.aspx or something similar...

I'd like to see a photo

higgite
April 18, 2013, 09:34 PM
What brand of sizing die? If it's a Lee, you just back out the expander/decapping stem and drive the case out with a hammer and punch. If it isn't a Lee die, you may need to buy a stuck case removal tool. Also don't understand not being able to screw the die out. :confused:

cwbys4evr
April 18, 2013, 10:11 PM
At the time the shell plate wasn't detached. I managed to free the shell plate and unscrew the die. Gonna try the tap out method tomorrow at work, there is a tap and die set there.

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cwbys4evr
April 18, 2013, 10:12 PM
Also it's an RCBS die so no built in stuck case remover

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cwbys4evr
April 18, 2013, 10:15 PM
I failed to put a caliper on the case to get a case length before I put it in the press. I was just setting up the dies so my mind wasn't mindful of the process. Totally my fault.

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JimKirk
April 18, 2013, 10:31 PM
I failed to put a caliper on the case to get a case length before I put it in the press.

Never seen case length to cause any problem with a sizing die ... I believe that your lube failed ... either you did not allow it to dry or you used too little .... read the direction on the lube and follow them .... better yet get some Imperial Case wax ...

billybob44
April 18, 2013, 10:36 PM
I failed to put a caliper on the case to get a case length before I put it in the press. I was just setting up the dies so my mind wasn't mindful of the process. Totally my fault.

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You do not need to measure (calipers) the case until AFTER you re-size. That is when the case will "Grow".

I have a "Feeling" that the root cause is a lube (Or lack of) problem?? Bill.

cwbys4evr
April 19, 2013, 07:14 AM
I probably didn't lube it enough. A couple of quick sprays front and back on the 5 cases I was setting up to work with. I also had the cases mouth down because I read something about spraying it and letting it drip down to the mouth. Did I do wrong with that?

The idea about the case size was something I read somewhere else on the net, so I think you're right. The fact still remains that I let myself get complacent because "all I was doing" was setting up dies.

In a sort of side question though, most of the case mouths are dented, some severely. Is that something the sized is supposed to fix or are those throw aways?




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Walkalong
April 19, 2013, 09:51 AM
All you need to do is to use something to spread that dent out enough for the expander to get through the case neck on the way down when sizing.

cwbys4evr
April 19, 2013, 10:29 AM
Needle nose pliers?

cwbys4evr
April 19, 2013, 10:30 AM
Also based upon everything I have read, I am not going any further with rifle loading until I get me some Imperial.

ssyoumans
April 19, 2013, 10:35 AM
You need to lube the case mouths. I have used RCBS spray and Hornady Spray. They work ok, but I get my best results using a RCBS case lube pad. Sizing is buttery smooth. I lube inside the neck with a qtip.

Doogledog
April 19, 2013, 11:03 AM
I'm sure there are better ways, but in a pinch if you have a vice you can always lock the die down with the stuck case up. Use a sheet metal screw to tap into the primer pocket lower the die more into the vice until you can get leverage with a hammer and pull it out just like pulling a nail.

cwbys4evr
April 19, 2013, 01:44 PM
Does RCBS have a case removal service? I have tried everything including the drill and tap method and it won't come out of there. I am at the point of ruining the case so as to never be able to get it out. Re-tapping it is out of the question entirely.

kingmt
April 19, 2013, 08:46 PM
They would fix it for you.

I don't know what tools you have but I'd cut the bottom off, take out the expander, & drill the case till it was thinner than paper. Then the case neck could be driven out.

JimKirk
April 21, 2013, 10:35 PM
What size did you tap it ... I would use a 1/4" x 20tpi .... use a deep socket to set over the case head ... add a flat washer, screw a grade five> 1/4" threaded bolt and tighten with a wrench ....

hentown
April 22, 2013, 11:30 AM
Don't worry about getting spray case lube in the case mouth. Lay the cases down flat in a box. Spray the cases. The lube will migrate around the cases.

Try some pump-bottle spray next time. ;)

BullfrogKen
April 22, 2013, 10:28 PM
This is why I don't use aerosol spray case lubes.

Yes, RCBS will pull it out for you at a fee. I'm sure if you search RCBS's site you'll find out the particulars.

And you need to ensure the inside of the case mouth has lubricant in it. That's why it got stuck.


I use Lee lube mixed with rubbing alcohol in a generic plastic spray bottle, unless I'm case forming that is.

kwg020
April 22, 2013, 10:50 PM
I clean my cases by running them through the tumbler for about an hour or two and then I put them in a plastic bag with some RCBS glycerin lube spread on the brass in the bag. I tumble the bag to help spread the lube and let the brass set for at least over night (2 days is better) and the glycerin migrates over the cases including inside of the case mouths. Just don't be cheap on the amount of lube you use. When you take the cases out of the plastic bag look at them and handle them to make sure they have enough lube. They don't have to be soaking wet but they need to be damp with lube. After resizing put them back in the tumbler untill they are clean.

To get a stuck case out I use a propane tourch to burn out any lube and get the die hot. This squeezes the brass. I then put it in the deep freeze over night. This shrinks the die. I then make a hook on the end of a stiff wire, something to grab the end of the case while it's in the die. I hold the die in my hand and at some point there will be a maximum distance between the die and the brass. The hooked wire will pull out the case when there is enough clearance between the die and the brass. kwg

kayaks
April 22, 2013, 11:34 PM
Those dents in the necks almost look like the expander was off center and didn't go down too far. On my .223 die, I bought a carbide expander bead from Midway and eliminated fooling with neck lube.

GLOOB
April 23, 2013, 03:01 PM
Just FYI, you don't always NEED to use inside neck lube for rifle cases, even with a steel expander. It depends on your how far your die undersizes the neck.

gilly6993
April 23, 2013, 03:09 PM
cwby....I feel your pain....I had a case stick in my Hornady die when I first started reloading rifle after many years of pistol....I was using One Shot at the time....My case and die were f*^$ed....I sent the whole thing back to Hornady and for 5 bucks they removed it....it is futile to try and do it yourself....I now use RCBS no issues and a few thousand rounds into rifle loading....I do not lube the necks or inside the necks, no issues.....call Lee and see if they have a service....my guess is that they do

cwbys4evr
April 23, 2013, 10:17 PM
Well just to update.... I tries the recommended method but it didn't work because the case was too tight. I then went to the machine shop at work to see if my guy could press it out. He could find a lunch if the right size and ended up putting a vise grips on the case head and mangling it pretty good. I had enough and placed a die on backorder but along comes my buddy who brings me an easy out, which did the trick. I'm keeping that mangled case as a grim reminder

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Searcher4851
April 24, 2013, 02:00 PM
Happy to hear you got your problem fixed.

Keep Imperial Sizing Wax in mind. I've never stuck a case while using it.

cwbys4evr
April 24, 2013, 04:59 PM
Why did I get a language infraction for my last post ??

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Mobuck
April 25, 2013, 04:18 PM
You would be well advised to run the cases through a sizing operation on a single stage press prior to running through the LEE 1000 press. As you have found, there's nothing holding the shell plate to the ram other than a small clamp. After a few of these episodes you'll either overtighten the clamp and break it or it simply won't clamp tightly at all. I've had the shell plate pull off while loading handgun cases so am not surprised this happened with .223 cases.

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