question about some powder I received...already opened?


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Ty 357
April 19, 2013, 05:30 PM
I recently received a backordered 8 pound jug of Unique from PV. The jug arrived with the seal broken...at least it appeared broken. I have never bought an 8 pound jug before. Should I be concerned if the seal was not intact? I'm familiar with the 1 pound and 4 pound containers. The 8 pounder has a different cap than the one I am familiar with but it looks like the jug was opened before it got here. The outer packaging was intact and the package itself looked untampered with. I know they are extremely busy and I don't want to make a mountain out of a mole hill....is this a big deal or not? The powder looks like unique and as far as I can tell it looks and feels like 8 pounds of powder. Thanks.

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zxcvbob
April 19, 2013, 05:38 PM
The seal sometimes sticks to the inside of the lid instead of the top of the jar.

Walkalong
April 19, 2013, 05:41 PM
Not overly unusual. Like you, I would much prefer to get it with the paper piece still glued down, but it isn't always so.

Vihtavuori jugs come with a seal on the cap and there is no doubt. I would like to see more manufacturers use this method.

SlamFire1
April 19, 2013, 05:50 PM
The seal ensures that your powder has not been mixed with something else. I don't know how well the seal prevents air exchange with the outside world.

beeenbag
April 19, 2013, 06:04 PM
I don't know that I have ever opened a new can of alliant powder and the thin paper seal be intact. Most of the time it is stuck partially in the cap.

tightgroup tiger
April 19, 2013, 06:23 PM
I've opened Hodgdon's powder bottles and the seal fell on the floor when I took the lid off.

Not unusual at all.

45lcshooter
April 19, 2013, 06:40 PM
If the exterior wrap was on the jug like you stated and it was unmolested. Then you are fine. The "seal" is just 2nd barrier of defense for air. And yes they do get stuck sometimes in the lid when you take the lid off.

BYJO4
April 19, 2013, 11:16 PM
This is not unusual and I don't think you have any problems.

bensdad
April 20, 2013, 12:09 AM
Best to be safe... send it to me for proper disposal... I'll carefully dispose of it in small, 6 grain increments.

ReloaderFred
April 20, 2013, 01:00 AM
When I started reloading, you had your choice of buying surplus powder (IMR 4831) in paper roll top bags that were the same type coffee beans came in, or you could take your own container (coffee can) and they would measure out what you wanted from their 50 pound keg in the back of the shop. They didn't start putting seals on the containers until some fool put poison in some Tylenol some years back, then everything had to be sealed.

Just use the powder and don't worry about it.

Hope this helps.

Fred

gamestalker
April 20, 2013, 03:26 AM
I have bought many canisters of powder that have appeared to have had the seal broken over the years. So far so good, no indications that they have ever been tampered with, and I have gone so far as to weigh them thinking maybe someone pinched a little bit, but to no avail. As said, the seal does stick to the lid often, and makes it appear as such.

GS

sage5907
April 20, 2013, 09:46 AM
I always trusted the IMR powder when it was sold in metal cans and and the seal on the can was always intact. When I was paying for a can I would take the lid off in front of the cashier to make sure the seal was intact. After Hodgdon bought bought out the IMR company and started selling the powder in plastic containers I started noticing the seals were not sticking to the container and I couldn't tell if they had previously been opened. I have also had the seal fall on the floor when the lid was opened for the first time.

Motownfire
April 20, 2013, 10:34 AM
As much as you paid for it including shipping & HAZMAT fee, I would be calling Powder Valley.

In reality it's not that big of a deal, I buy all of my powder local & the seals are stuck to the cap sometimes. BUT, if I am going to pay through the nose for shipping & HAZMAT fee, then wait for Lord knows how long it better be sealed when it gets to my house.

bigdaa
April 20, 2013, 10:41 AM
You may pour some out and look for inconsistencies in powder form. Take great care to be grounded so as not to generate a static spark when doing this.

dickttx
April 21, 2013, 06:15 PM
I would not expect PV, who must be shipping tons of powder, to open and inspect each container to see if it is sealed. And what would they do with it if the seal stuck to the lid? Discard it? If so, I would like to be there when they do.:D
My last order was dated 1/16/13. Eight pounds of HP38 cost me $15.89 per pound, including shipping, insurance and hazmat fee. I did order 10K of primers at the same time, so the hazmat, shipping and insurance were allocated. My primers cost $29.13 per K, delivered.

ljnowell
April 21, 2013, 06:39 PM
As much as you paid for it including shipping & HAZMAT fee, I would be calling Powder Valley.

In reality it's not that big of a deal, I buy all of my powder local & the seals are stuck to the cap sometimes. BUT, if I am going to pay through the nose for shipping & HAZMAT fee, then wait for Lord knows how long it better be sealed when it gets to my house.

Thats ridiculous. He should call and complain about a non-issue because powder valley had the nerve to charge him to ship his powder and actually charged a legally required hazmat fee? Really?

As far as paying more, I have always ordered from powder valley and always paid less for my powder that way. When you buy in bulk powder and primers the hazmat and shipping do not matter. After adding them on I still pay less than LGSs.

exdxgxe4life
April 21, 2013, 08:01 PM
I'd say you're good to go. With that being said, I always request the bottles that still have the tape on them whenever possible.

fields
April 22, 2013, 05:51 PM
Are you sure the hazmat fee is required? I think the hazmat paperwork is required.

rcmodel
April 22, 2013, 08:30 PM
Are you sure the hazmat fee is required?Yes, it's required.

Nobody does the Haz-Mat training for employees and the Haz-Mat paperwork & packaging required for free, and stays in business very long.

rc

Coltdriver
April 22, 2013, 10:00 PM
Smell the powder. If it has that slightly alcohol smell to it then don't let the seal bother you. It probably just came loose when you opened the lid.

Anyone know what that aromatic smell actually is?

zxcvbob
April 22, 2013, 10:14 PM
I think it's acetone or ether; not sure. It could also be ethyl acetate.

280shooter
April 24, 2013, 12:45 AM
no big deal. just be safe and send it to me and i'll try it out.

Ty 357
April 24, 2013, 09:29 PM
Thanks for all of the feedback, it is appreciated. I had every intention of revisiting this thread sooner...I have been busy with work.

I think I need to clarify and I should have been more clear in my original post. The container has a twist off cap attached to a ring that "seals" the jug. This is different than the 1 and 4 pound containers I am used to. The cap/lid reminds me of a milk jug lid. When you twist the cap the first time it breaks away from the sealing ring. I don't know how else to describe it...I suspect there are folks on here familiar with this container. Thats' why I asked the question. This is my first 8 pound jug...it is different than the 4 pound and 1 pound jugs.

The jug I received had the twist off cap broken away from the retaining ring, or whatever you call it. The jug had been opened. There was no vapor barrier underneath the lid. The flimsy plastic piece that I am familiar with underneath the 1 and 4 pound containers was not there at all.

I apologize for my poor description and question. The exterior package I referred to was the shipping box. The shipping box was unmolested. In other words, I do not think the jug was opened after being boxed for shipping. I believe the jug was opened prior to shipping. The powder looks good to my eye, smells good and I believe the jug has 8 pounds. I take safety with reloading and reloading components very seriously. I'm trying to decide if I need to contact PV. I'm inclined to let it go and just call it good. I respect the knowledge on this forum.

Fishslayer
April 25, 2013, 10:54 AM
I don't know that I have ever opened a new can of alliant powder and the thin paper seal be intact. Most of the time it is stuck partially in the cap.

^^^ This.

jnay
April 25, 2013, 12:21 PM
I just received an 8 lbs jug of Unique that fits that same description. I found your posting because I was also worried about it and googled it. I bought mine from an individual on GunBroker.com. What's the lot # on the back label of your jug? Mine is "622 2 021313". I'm a little more worried about mine because I bought it from an individual.

jnay
April 25, 2013, 12:27 PM
Looks like people were complaining about the same thing back in '07, and that it happens fairly often with Alliant powder. That's not very comforting.

http://www.trapshooters.com/cfpages/thread_archive2.cfm?threadid=129116&Messages=19

Ty 357
April 25, 2013, 06:02 PM
jnay...the back of my jug has CE0519 at the bottom left in a white box and 622 2 021313 printed to the right in white letters across the black label background. Thanks for your response. And welcome to a really good forum. There are a lot of knowledgable and "willing to help" folks on this forum.

I posted my response before verifying your lot number matched.

I have had nothing but good experiences with PV and I am pleased to see our numbers match.

Thanks again for posting.

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