Geofenced Firearms


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Japle
April 19, 2013, 09:18 PM
These people, Iím pretty sure, are idiots. They want to modify every gun so that itíll be constantly connected to GPS and will be unable to fire if itís taken into a school or other prohibited place.

https://www.facebook.com/GeofencedFirearms

That seems like a really bad idea. Bulky, heavy and expensive.
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medalguy
April 19, 2013, 09:21 PM
Just....wow. You think?

RetiredUSNChief
April 19, 2013, 09:30 PM
More of the same with respect to James Bond style liberal high-technology solutions to "gun safety" and "gun control". Like DNA or fingerprint scanners on guns.

Stupid and completely circumventable.

Disable the GPS and it's useless. Do this by letting the battery die (those things aren't very battery friendly), wrap it in foil, or simply turn it off.

Dorks.

TheSaint
April 19, 2013, 09:34 PM
System Alert: --- Please ask the criminal(s) to standby. Acquiring Satellite Signal... ---

Deus Machina
April 19, 2013, 09:41 PM
Didn't the ATF have something to say about electromechanical firing systems?
I'm not liking the look of that 'electronically charged firing pin'.

I've destroyed a computer with a little static pop. I'd be afraid of walking on shag carpet before picking up my Desert Eagle, if it's made just like that.

xwingband
April 19, 2013, 09:44 PM
See, what I don't get is rather than the controlling entry to a school and an armed guard... they float this. It's basically because they believe the burden should be on the gun owner and not the institution to guarantee safety. I'm not just talking guns either. An adult with a pocket knife could wreck a class of kids with less ruckus than a gun.

Speaking of solely the idea. The default has to be to shoot without satellite signal or power because it's for defensive purposes. So short it, never charge it, take the battery out, etc... Plus there's a reason guns are mechanical now: reliability. Shoot someone? Say the fancy electronic firing pin misfired with out a trigger pull.

vamo
April 19, 2013, 10:40 PM
It seems their reply to every pro 2a comment is "how would your gun have prevented the Boston marathon incident?"

I no longer have a fbook account but this seems to invite a very obvious counter point. I am not the one claiming to have to ability to stop a tragedy, but they are, and I'm guessing their technology will never come standard with pressure cookers.

r1derbike
April 19, 2013, 10:40 PM
I suppose the experiments with voice recognition software on a firearm didn't go so well.

It was supposed to shut-down the weapon if the operator said something like, "boy, I am really, really mad now"!

It then would automatically go to select-fire mode, instead of disabling.

The software engineers who were contacted about the issue said, "the software isn't buggy, it just develops random features".

beatledog7
April 19, 2013, 10:44 PM
What an utterly absurd idea!

I've said it before, and I'll say it until I'm blue...the single most effective way to deter shootings at schools is to create the possibility that some of the adults there will be armed and willing and trained to respond immediately.

How? Eliminate the mythical "gun-free" zones, allowing teachers and administrators to carry concealed. Simple. Effective. Virtually free.

USAF_Vet
April 19, 2013, 10:48 PM
It seems their reply to every pro 2a comment is "how would your gun have prevented the Boston marathon incident?"

I no longer have a fbook account but this seems to invite a very obvious counter point. I am not the one claiming to have to ability to stop a tragedy, but they are, and I'm guessing their technology will never come standard with pressure cookers.
Reply with, "How would your GPS gun blocking device have stopped it?"

r1derbike
April 19, 2013, 10:54 PM
As soon as a lunatic got inside a building, his weapon would announce, "GPS signal is lost".

Uh-oh.

Armed guards in schools, now.

The_Next_Generation
April 19, 2013, 10:58 PM
I was eating dinner with a guy at a dining hall on campus and he was suggesting the same thing.

He kept claiming that you could insert a GPS unit into the receiver of a gun so that it couldn't be tampered with and so that the gun couldn't operate without the tethered receiver.

In case you didn't know, but encasing a transceiver in any kind of conductive material has the same effect as putting it in a Faraday cage. Basically, no signal would go in and none would come out.

This idea makes me laugh every time...

TNG

RetiredUSNChief
April 19, 2013, 11:02 PM
And don't forget...they want this in ALL firearms. Government firearms shouldn't be exempted....they get stolen and sold on the black market, too.

Which means, once all firearms have this device, all any foreign country has to do to knock out all small arms capability is take down a couple key GPS satellites...

Something for the survivalists out there to think about.

:rolleyes:

r1derbike
April 19, 2013, 11:07 PM
I was eating dinner with a guy at a dining hall on campus and he was suggesting the same thing.

He kept claiming that you could insert a GPS unit into the receiver of a gun so that it couldn't be tampered with and so that the gun couldn't operate without the tethered receiver.

In case you didn't know, but encasing a transceiver in any kind of conductive material has the same effect as putting it in a Faraday cage. Basically, no signal would go in and none would come out.

This idea makes me laugh every time...

TNG
I worked in a Faraday cage for about 7 years, for a company. It was my own little prison. Not once did I don a foil hat, or worry about outside emissions from DC to light. I felt better as well, not being bombarded by ionizing or non-ionizing radiation. The equipment was thankful as well. Never had to live test EMP ingress, fortunately. Was subject to some low-level RF frequencies for extended periods. It must have changed my body chemistry somehow, as R2D2 was regularly calling me about some electroencephalogram results.

Man, those were some great times.

MErl
April 19, 2013, 11:07 PM
He kept claiming that you could insert a GPS unit into the receiver of a gun so that it couldn't be tampered with and so that the gun couldn't operate without the tethered receiver.
I don't doubt this for a moment. Yes it could be done but it would be horribly unreliable. The folks advocating this don't seem to care if the gun is not available when you need it.

beatledog7
April 19, 2013, 11:21 PM
The folks advocating this don't seem to care if the gun is not available when you need it.

But they think you don't EVER need it.

kwguy
April 19, 2013, 11:25 PM
Didn't they try that during Operation Wide Receiver? And it didn't work, so that's why they stopped it? Not saying that the march of technology won't be really advanced someday, and maybe make a lot of this discussion kind of moot, but so far:

"Phasers and socialism only work in Star Trek".

Just sayin.

r1derbike
April 19, 2013, 11:39 PM
What may be done, may be undone, but may be the doing of one's undoing.

r1derbike
April 19, 2013, 11:53 PM
We used to track the Annapolis Naval Academy Football Runs with GPS using APRS software and the amateur radio digital packet network. Was great fun. Bob also had a camera atop the academy water tower that could zoom and pan via amateur radio control.

I see it is still going on, years later: http://www.aprs.org/football.html

Texan Scott
April 19, 2013, 11:53 PM
r1derbike, I went crosseyed reading that.

I can't get GPS/ GMS/ 3G reception for my phone in parts of my local Wally's or the bathroom at MickeyD's.... I couldn't call 911 or use a geofenced gun on places like that? Good thing they can't electronically disable sharp pieces of metal..
I always have a couple of those handy.

Midwest
April 20, 2013, 12:00 AM
This sounds not that much different from the "Smart Gun" technologies. In fact one state,New Jersey has had the "Smart Gun Law since December 2002" . It doesn't use GPS but rather a chip of some type.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_Gun

New Jersey: On May 18, 2000, the Republican-led NJ State Senate overwhelmingly passed what was called, “The Childproof Handgun Bill.” The bill was sponsored by Ceasefire, NJ in 1998. But finally gained traction when the New Jersey Million Mom March (www.millionmommarch.org) made this bill its top legislative priority in the fall of 1999.

It would take another two years for the NJ State Assembly to pass it before it was signed into law in December 2002. The newly enacted law meant that New Jersey became the first state to enact smart gun legislation.[15]

The “smart gun" legislation that would eventually require new handguns to contain a mechanism that allows only their owners to fire them. The law will not go into effect immediately because the technology is still under development and it could be years before it becomes a reality. But supporters, including the New Jersey Million Mom March, hailed it as an important milestone in the campaign to reduce handgun deaths.

Under the New Jersey law, the technology will be required in all new handguns sold three years after the state attorney general determines a smart gun prototype is safe and commercially available. Weapons used by law enforcement officers would be exempt.


The above is from wiki so it is OK to reproduce per
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Guy B. Meredith
April 20, 2013, 12:24 AM
Read my signature. 'Nuff said.

Yo Mama
April 20, 2013, 12:27 AM
They have a grand total of 9 likes. Wow. :evil:

TheSaint
April 20, 2013, 12:43 AM
Question: Are these clowns receiving any government funding? I don't mind if such moronic ideas are promoted with private funds, as they will never be adopted in a free market. That being said, we should really expose them if it is found that they are trying to sell this snake oil 'solution' at the expense of the public's coffers!

DeadMoneyDrew
April 20, 2013, 12:45 AM
This sounds not that much different from the "Smart Gun" technologies. In fact one state,New Jersey has had the "Smart Gun Law since December 2002" . It doesn't use GPS but rather a chip of some type.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_Gun

New Jersey: On May 18, 2000, the Republican-led NJ State Senate overwhelmingly passed what was called, “The Childproof Handgun Bill.” The bill was sponsored by Ceasefire, NJ in 1998. But finally gained traction when the New Jersey Million Mom March (www.millionmommarch.org) made this bill its top legislative priority in the fall of 1999.

It would take another two years for the NJ State Assembly to pass it before it was signed into law in December 2002. The newly enacted law meant that New Jersey became the first state to enact smart gun legislation.[15]

The “smart gun" legislation that would eventually require new handguns to contain a mechanism that allows only their owners to fire them. The law will not go into effect immediately because the technology is still under development and it could be years before it becomes a reality. But supporters, including the New Jersey Million Mom March, hailed it as an important milestone in the campaign to reduce handgun deaths.

Under the New Jersey law, the technology will be required in all new handguns sold three years after the state attorney general determines a smart gun prototype is safe and commercially available. Weapons used by law enforcement officers would be exempt.


The above is from wiki so it is OK to reproduce per
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License
LOL. How on earth does it make even an ounce of sense for a state to make a law requiring a product to include a technology that doesn't yet exist?

MrCleanOK
April 20, 2013, 12:55 AM
You'd have to wait and do all of your crimes on cloudy days.

flatlander937
April 20, 2013, 12:58 AM
I've already been blocked from making comments by asking questions with some skepticism.

:rolleyes:

SixxshootinSam
April 20, 2013, 01:02 AM
Just another ignoramus trying to make a buck without using their brain.
When does this idiocy end....

And yes he is blocking people that question his design.

DeadMoneyDrew
April 20, 2013, 01:11 AM
They have a grand total of 9 likes. Wow. :evil:
And they "Like" Piers Morgan Live.

Enough said.

TheSaint
April 20, 2013, 01:13 AM
I've already been blocked from making comments by asking questions with some skepticism.

:rolleyes:
You must not question the enlightened ones, you grubby serf!

Twiki357
April 20, 2013, 03:10 AM
Proof that they are idiots..... Only three likes: piers morgan, mark ruffalo, and brady campaign.

Snowdog
April 20, 2013, 04:09 AM
When I was 11 years old, I was playing outside, not putting my Microsoft Paint creations on Facebook.
How times have changed.

RetiredUSNChief
April 20, 2013, 07:50 AM
ďThe Childproof Handgun Bill.Ē The ďsmart gun" legislation that would eventually require new handguns to contain a mechanism that allows only their owners to fire them.


Only allows their owners to fire them, huh?

How's that work for suicides?


As for being "childproof", how's that work in the day and age where children grow up learning how to hack computers, cheat video games, and unlock cell phones?


Another fine example of the disconnect from reality that these people have.

:rolleyes:

bannockburn
April 20, 2013, 08:59 AM
Geo Fence = Geo Farce.

So if you can't get guns banned, magazine capacity limited, and universal background checks why not offer up a bunch of technological claptrap to try and circumvent the Second Amendment.

sota
April 20, 2013, 09:04 AM
and they'll retrofit this into the 240 million or more firearms currently in circulation how?

Japle
April 20, 2013, 10:06 AM
I posted a few questions on their page, simple things like,

ďYour flow chart shows long guns and a large, compensated handgun. What about the small, .22, .25, .32 and .380 pocket pistols? How much weight and bulk will your device add? Would a pocket pistol still fit into, say, a pocket? My KelTec P3AT weighs 8.3 oz and is 5.2Ē long. How would your device change those dimensions?"

and

"If you hope to never see another school shooting, wonít you have to install one of these things on every gun? Wouldnít that require total registration? After all, if you donít know where they all are, you canít be sure youíve modified them all."

and

"There are at least 300,000,000 guns in the US. Some of them are held by criminals. Do you think the criminals will register their guns and allow you to modify them?"

Now, guess what? My posts disappeared and you canít post there anymore.

:D

TCB in TN
April 20, 2013, 11:53 AM
Come on guys you know the government can successfully do this. I mean just look at how good a job it has done with the war on drugs, and stopping illegal immigration. :scrutiny:

Ford4x4
April 20, 2013, 12:03 PM
So when I show up at my kid's school to pick him up, and people are running out saying that there's a wacko in there cutting people up with a samurai sword (or shooting them with one of those millions of non geo fenced guns) I am supposed to run in there with a pocket knife and maybe try to throw a desk at him? Oh wait, I'm sure I could call 1-800-GEO-FENCE to get the zone unlocked for my particular firearm, and that would only take a few minutes.

The only way this absurd idea would work at all is if no GPS signal=gun no work. Otherwise it would be too easy to circumvent. Its crazy how often my phone loses GPS signal in the outdoors, in my own home, etc. Besides the fact that the government would basically have a light switch they could flip, to turn off all the legal guns. Of course the illegal ones would still work, but thats beside the point because all guns are evil, and less in the hands of anyone will prevent tragedies.

Rant off. I need to go build a brick wall in the back yard. Lately I've been needing something to bang my head against.

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