A request message from Brad - Missouri Bullet Company


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bds
April 20, 2013, 02:22 PM
After Brad stopped posting on March 23 on their facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/missouribullet), this got posted on April 15 - http://www.missouribullet.com/read.php

To Our Valued Customers
(and those who are thinking of becoming one, too!)

April 15, 2013

I hope you take the time to read this message before ordering bullets from us, as I need your help with a problem ... Following is what we are asking of you.

First, please understand that no, we can't always answer the phone. It isn't because we don't like you, rather, it's because something else is demanding Jo Ann's attention and she can't service the phone call. She's not slacking, believe me. She just can't answer the phone at all times, especially when she's already on the phone explaining something to someone who

A.) Didn't take the time to read our FAQ,
B.) Just wants to shoot the breeze or who wants to know “where's my order?? when maybe it was placed a week ago,
C.) Wants to know what kind of powder he should use for a particular bullet (buy a reloading manual or two like you're supposed to do!),
D.) Realized that he ordered the wrong bullet because his idiot cousin told him what he needed when it really, really wasn't (reference the “buy a reloading manual or two” advice), and so on and so forth.

We ask that you limit your phone calls to us so that we can make and ship bullets to you and to all of our other customers as quickly as possible. Likewise, emails. Read this statement before you order. Read the FAQ before you order. Use your common sense before you order. Please.

The word on estimated ship/lead time is this: The projected ship/lead time that you see on the first page of the website when you first visit and also when you are completing your order during the checkout process is a best-guess, good faith estimate based upon current demand/volume levels. It is an estimate and that why we call it an “estimated lead time.” Your order may ship before the estimate says it will or it may ship after the estimate says it will. This is not science. It is a best-guess estimate taking into account all known factors but not the unknown ones, which by definition are rather mysterious.

We are doing the very best we can to get your order out to you as quickly as is humanly possible. If you are not comfortable with having to rely upon our estimated delay time, and/or do not trust us to get your order out to you as quickly as is humanly possible, then do not order from us as neither of us needs the grief.



Here are some ways to get your order processed and shipped faster:

1. Enter it online. Phoning it in requires that we take time in our off-hours (that evening, maybe the next evening) to manually enter the order online for you in exactly the same manner as you would if you would just ahead and do it online. Doing it yourself is quicker and more secure. Why wouldn't you want to do it that way?

2. Order a small number of different bullets. When we get an order for one box of four different bullets, guess what the likelihood is of having all four of them on the shelf at the same time is? That's right: Very low. However, if it's a popular bullet you want, we can usually get 1-4 boxes of them out to you fairly quickly. Likewise, an order for two different bullets goes more quickly than an order for three, etc.

3. Don't call to check status of your order unless you believe that something has gone wrong. As mentioned, time spent on the phone directly detracts from time available for Jo Ann to manage the shipping operation and that is to no one's benefit. Once you have placed your order and received your email order confirmation, all is well – your order has been placed, acknowledged, and entered into the queue for manufacture and shipping. There is no need to bug us to make sure we got your order (if you received an order confirmation email, then of course we got your order and because you got the order confirmation email, we won't forget it) nor is there a need to panic if the shipping estimate stated 3-4 weeks and it's been 5 weeks. As mentioned, we are doing the very best we can and will get your order out to you as quickly as is humanly possible. Honest. You can trust us on this.

4. Do not call or email us to change an existing order. At the current time, we can't change orders after they are placed. Please be careful when you order and make sure that you are ordering what it is that you wanted to order. A moment taken to verify your order before submitting it will save grief later. For everyone. Shoot carefully. Order carefully. Thank you for being careful.

5. Do not call or email us to ask a question that is clearly addressed here or in our FAQ. We wrote the FAQ to inform people about things that people may have questions about and appreciate very much when people avail themselves of the opportunity to read it. Probably your answer is in there.

6. Do not call or email us asking for load data. We can't supply it. Really.

This is where we are, then. We're making and shipping lots of bullets every day and very much appreciate your business. We just need some help getting through the crushing demand that has hit us.

Please help.

Thank you.

Brad Alpert

President, Missouri Bullet Company


Looks like MBC is growing again to accommodate the demand for their bullets.
As you may know, MBC has a good reputation for producing quality products, shipping them quickly, and offering excellent customer support. Lately, though, the “shipping them quickly” part has become difficult due to (ahem) certain political realities. You are all aware by now of the unprecedented demand being thrust upon the firearms industry. We are not immune from it. Our volume has increased to truly unbelievable levels and we have made every possible effort to meet demand. At the moment, we have orders totaling nearly four million bullets so you can see that a bit of pressure has been placed on us to meet that demand. And we've already shipped over eight million bullets this year – half as many as last year's total – and we're only into the fourth month of the year.

And boy, we are trying. Here's what we've done in the past few months and are doing currently:

1. Hired 9 more employees and are in the process of interviewing more candidates
2. Added a second shift
3. Purchased property and are constructing a 7200 square foot building to put on it
4. Ordered eight new Magma Bullet Masters (have nine already) and six new LubeMasters (have nine already) from Magma Engineering in January. We paid in advance to get them shipped more quickly.
5. Ordered four new industrial-grade collators from Howell CNC in January and one from M-A Systems. Ditto on paying in advance for them
6. Ordering (and waiting a long time for; everyone's backlogged) duplicate full-mould sets of the insanely popular bullets, such as the 9mm Parabellum and the .45 SoftBall! Bullets so that we can double their production rate per unit of time
7. Upgraded our internal network infrastructure with a Sun Microsystems V240 server to run internal DNS and DHCP
8. Contracted in advance for four 22-ton truckloads of fixed-cost alloy from Mayco at a time, each truckload spaced for delivery 2 weeks apart (we've used 120 tons so far this year) and are in our 2nd contract cycle now, in mid-April
9. Purchased another shipping station

We expect the building to be ready in early June and the new equipment to arrive shortly thereafter. In the meantime, we are trying our best to hold on, shipping a steady average of 100,000 bullets five days a week to our retail customers and wishing that we could be shipping the 200,000 per day that will be within our reach, come June.

So in a nutshell, that's how we are trying to get our shipping speed back to the level of what it used to be, which was 24-48 hours from order placement to the current level, which can run out to 3-4 weeks or even longer, depending upon different factors. And I'm certain that we will get there, too. We just have to ride out the next couple of months and deal with the long lead time we're faced with.

And so, that's what we're doing to cut the order cycle time.

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ljnowell
April 20, 2013, 02:48 PM
Brad and Joanne do the best they can to feed our habits, thats no doubt. I look forward to their expansion and increased production. That will really benefit us, the consumer. They have a great business model and I hope they continue to experience great success.

ReloaderFred
April 20, 2013, 04:04 PM
What Brad is stating is the same throughout the business. The owner's of BadMan Bullets are fellow shooters in a nearby town, and they say their business has picked up to the point they've just about stopped shooting altogether, just so they can make and ship bullets. Whereas they used to be able to keep bullets on the shelf for immediate shipping, they are now booked out weeks in advance on orders. Some companies aren't taking new orders at all, since they're trying to fill orders that were placed months ago.

As you can tell from the postings bds copied and pasted in, Brad has invested heavily in his future production. Magma has been quoting 6+ month delivery times for their equipment, and they are the major player in the bullet casting equipment business, so if the machines can't be produced fast enough, then the bullets can't be produced, either.

It even goes deeper than that. A couple of months ago, mold production at Magma was at a halt, as they were waiting for a shipment of steel to make the sprue cutters. They weren't sure when the shipment was going to get there, as their supplier was waiting for the steel so they could ship it to Magma.....

The days of having everything readily available on the shelf are past, at least for awhile. The lack of .22 ammunition should tell everyone that........

Hope this helps.

Fred

kingmt
April 20, 2013, 04:13 PM
I hope it isn't to late in the game to be ramping up. He has planned where he is just right when it levels off.

clutch
April 20, 2013, 04:15 PM
Things have been bad enough I've been shopping Ebay for lead to cast my own bullets. Casting bullets isn't a new thing to me but considering the time to do it has costs, I was perfectly happy to work some OT at work and buy from MBC.

I look forward to the days when I just order my bullets from MBC again and spend more of my free time shooting. :)

Gadawg88
April 20, 2013, 08:08 PM
Thanks to Brad for making the significant capital expenditures to meet his customer's demands for their great product. I plan on supporting their efforts with my orders and I am sure many others here will as well.

twofifty
April 20, 2013, 08:36 PM
Sounds like an exciting time to be at Missouri Bullet Co.
Great PR effort keeping the customer base fully informed of your progress and methods.

Now if we could only do our part and use whatever common sense god gave each of us. ;)

rfwobbly
April 20, 2013, 09:55 PM
Brad didn't (work his a$$ off and) make Missouri Bullet Co into a success, the government did!

:fire:

huntsman
April 20, 2013, 10:26 PM
Brad didn't (work his a$$ off and) make Missouri Bullet Co into a success, the government did!

He may do the work but you gotta admit he's got a hell of a sales rep in the Whitehouse ;)

bds
April 20, 2013, 10:33 PM
Now now rfwobbly, I have lurked the THR forum before I actually joined and posted.

Remember the old days when Brad/Jo Ann practically launched Missouri Bullet Company on THR? - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=457389


9/11/2009 - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=474166


Remember how Brad got excited at the small growth of MBC/mention in the media? - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=480488

And here's your post
Oh no!

Brad - Well, I was going to place an order for 20,000 more bullets, that is... until I saw your picture. That about ruined it.


As the company grew, Brad focused on "Customer Service" as the core of their business model with "no questions asked" product insurance - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=505489
Here is how it works now: If USPS tracking shows that you have not received your shipment 14 days from the date we shipped, we will replace it immediately. No questions asked. No muss. No fuss. Win/Win for everybody. The USPS insurance program makes you wait 30 days before a claim can even be initiated and who knows how long after that before anything gets done? Meanwhile, you're out the bullets and we're upset that one of our customers got screwed by the government.


Too bad Brad is so busy these days. I did enjoy his postings/participation on THR - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=503330
Price Increase Update from Missouri Bullet Company

No price increase. Just so you know.


Remember how proud Brad was of his small shop and how we cheered him on for each accomplishment? - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=492131


When Brad made smart business decisions to cut cost, he passed them onto his customers. Mind you, most casters/companies would have simply pocketed that savings ;) but not Brad :D - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=536958
Price Reductions at Missouri Bullet Company

We are very pleased to announce that we've been able to implement price reductions across our entire line of handgun bullets. We were fortunate to receive very favorable terms on our last truckload of lead (the timing was right this time) and are very happy to pass along the savings to our customer base. We're looking at roughly 4-7%. Many factors go into the pricing equation but the most significant one in this business is material cost, so when it drops, so can the price.


And even after all these years, Brad is STILL honoring the 5% THR discount!!! :eek: - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=6006629#post6006629


Congrats to Brad/Jo Ann and continued growth of MBC!

maxyedor
April 20, 2013, 11:15 PM
Hopefully They get some of that new equipment in soon. Been waiting on an order, while watching my stash on hand dwindle for almost 2 months now, mite have to do something insane and buy factory ammo to hold me over until they can catch up on casting.

gspn
April 20, 2013, 11:29 PM
I like MO Bullet Co. I order almost all my bullets from them. I understand they are busy...and they do exactly what they say they'll do. However...this business of telling customers "just give us your money, shut up, don't call, and you'll get your bullets when you get your bullets" will only fly as long as this episode of crazy demand lasts.

I'm a commission-only salesman for a living...and if I ever treated my customers that way I'd be out of business in short order.

They could communicate that message just as easily without belittling their customers...that's just "business 101".

Motownfire
April 20, 2013, 11:39 PM
I've been sending Missouri Bullet Co bullets down the barrels of all my Glocks & rifles for years now. I plan to continue for many more years, the MBC guy's have been a great business to spend my cash with.

They seem to follow the most important rule of business, take care of your customers & they will take care of you.

Crashbox
April 20, 2013, 11:42 PM
IIRC they used to have a live spycam in their shop, too- thought that was pretty cool.

I enjoy shooting the MBC .357 140-grain Zingers, and I STILL cannot believe how lightning-fast I received my last order from them. Glad to see they're expanding again, and I have zero problems with their extended wait times. They'll certainly get more business from me. They're good folks there.

Rollis R. Karvellis
April 20, 2013, 11:59 PM
All the people who cried "just make more, just buy more equipment, just hire more people" hopefully will realize after reading this thread that there is more to it then" just do it".

And yes Brad can be slightly harsh. That is why WE love Jo Ann even more.

KansasSasquatch
April 21, 2013, 02:30 AM
I like MO Bullet Co. I order almost all my bullets from them. I understand they are busy...and they do exactly what they say they'll do. However...this business of telling customers "just give us your money, shut up, don't call, and you'll get your bullets when you get your bullets" will only fly as long as this episode of crazy demand lasts.

I'm a commission-only salesman for a living...and if I ever treated my customers that way I'd be out of business in short order.

They could communicate that message just as easily without belittling their customers...that's just "business 101".
I saw this message on their website a few days ago. Now I may have read (and re-read) something wrong, but I don't remember them belittling any customers. It sounds like they just don't have the resources to handle all of the calls and e-mails they've been getting and that they're letting customers know it distracts them from filling orders everytime someone calls and asks "where's my order?" They're in the process of expanding their company, which also takes man-power. Even if they've contracted out the work for the new building (which they probably have) they are still going to have some meetings to attend for that. Then there's the meeting/calls that they have to have with their material and equipment suppliers. They might be a major supplier of cast boolits, but they're still not a big business and therefore probably can't feasibly have a call center like a big business can. I just received an order for 2k of 115gr 9mm that a buddy placed. Six weeks from order to receiving isn't bad considering it's a HIGH demand item and the shipping time is on-par if not better than most places right now. They're going through growing pains is all it comes down to.

There's not too many other companies going out on a limb to expand and give customers what they want. Everyone just needs to have some patience and cut them a bit of slack.

kingmt
April 21, 2013, 09:31 AM
Having done business with them I took it only as they are getting over whelmed & under a great amount of stress. Sounds like Brad is trying to protect his wife which is getting over whelmed as well. They are great people that take great care of their customer.

However if I was a new customer I'd be turned off by their comments also.

Constrictor
April 21, 2013, 10:11 AM
Things have been bad enough I've been shopping Ebay for lead to cast my own bullets. Casting bullets isn't a new thing to me but considering the time to do it has costs, I was perfectly happy to work some OT at work and buy from MBC.

I look forward to the days when I just order my bullets from MBC again and spend more of my free time shooting. :)
I'm curious, what happened to those days? Why aren't they right now? I order from them monthly and always get my stuff.

03fatboy
April 21, 2013, 11:41 AM
Purchased over 1k from them on the 10th of April and am waiting patiently.
No worries on the time frame i realize they are very busy
It was nice to hear what their plan was and explain what was going on,It made me that more patient
keep up the good work MBC and thanks

BHarada
April 21, 2013, 12:14 PM
I placed an order on 4/2 for 1000 200gn .452 RNFP and 500 180gn .430 RNFP and it shipped on 4/4. It's just a matter of whether or not you're ordering something that happens to be on the shelf.

Peter M. Eick
April 21, 2013, 12:24 PM
Great bullets from a great guy to work with. So he is swamped. Cut him some slack and relax a bit. I have great faith that he will come through in the end.

I know I will let things settle down before I order again. I picked off about 30,000 bullets from him last fall and winter that I am still digging through. Thinking of that I hear the press calling....

BullfrogKen
April 21, 2013, 12:58 PM
A whole bunch of people who have never reloaded before decided to get into the hobby in the past 6 months. We see evidence of that right here every day, many times each day.


I have to imagine he's getting the same kinds of questions we see here, and they don't have the time to deal with them on the phone. I've got to agree a little bit with him on that front. If you just decided to get into the reloading game during this period of high demand, you need to be patient and understand you're going to have to wait to get the tools and components we're all waiting patiently on.


If you can't be patient and understand, I've got no tolerance for ya. We all went through this same exercise 4 years ago. If that experience didn't teach you a lesson and cause you to get into the hobby then . . . oh well. Take a number and sit down with the rest of us who are all waiting for this to pass.


I've ordered from them before and was entirely satisfied. And I'll do it again. In the meantime I'll wait patiently for supply to catch up and demand to normalize.

ReloaderFred
April 21, 2013, 01:59 PM
Amen. It's not like this hasn't happened before. It happened in 1968, 2004, 2008, and again now. I learned the lessons from the other shortages.

All these suppliers have my sincere sympathy. Having dealt with the public all my adult life, I know how some people can be. Everything doesn't happen instantly, just because you want it to. There are thousands of others in the same boat as you, and they all think they're more important than the others in line. Some are patient, and some aren't. In my business, we called the impatient/problem ones the "10 percenters", since those 10% take 90% of your time. I fully understand what Brad and his wife are going through. Every minute on the phone or the internet is taking away from production, and it's a vicious cycle. "The faster he goes, the behinder he gets".

The truth of the matter is, if someone doesn't want to wait, or is offended by what Brad felt necessary to post, which I'm sure was done due to frustration, then don't buy from him. He probably really doesn't need the added business anyway......

Hope this helps.

Fred

Jesse Heywood
April 21, 2013, 02:06 PM
I can't believe all the people here who have taken to bashing others. It is getting worse. Even some newbies have commented about not posting questions because of the thread-bashers. Some of y'all need to go over to that other forum, the low road.

I would tell Brad to post something like this:

NOTICE
We have been working our butts off trying to maintain our business quality during this crisis. Until we are able to increase production, we are struggling to ship bullets on a timely basis. One part of this problem that you can control is the repeated requests for shipping updates.

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY we are instituting a new policy. Those who make multiple inquiries on the status of their shipment will have their orders moved to the back of the line. Cancellation of these orders will result in a 20% fee. Thanks for your cooperation in helping us solve this problem.

frankenstein406
April 21, 2013, 02:24 PM
Maybe he can hire another person to answer phones.

DC Plumber
April 21, 2013, 03:41 PM
I've never ordered from MB, but I think his comment was completely fine. He may be a complete jerk, I have no idea, but i read his comment and all he is saying is business is good, too good, please be patient with me. Since when have guys who shoot guns gotten so thin skinned.

I work for a small company, seasonally, we get swamped. Hiring another person isn't logical, we'd just have to lay him off later in the year. Plus "just hiring someone to answer the phone", is going to raise the cost of bullets. What would that phone person tell you that you can't read off of his FAQ page?

Do you guys call Federal, Speer, etc.. and complain because the ammo isn't making it to the shelf fast enough? These are different times folks.

Just my opinions though. Everyone conduct yourselves as you wish.

ljnowell
April 21, 2013, 04:02 PM
I work for a small company, seasonally, we get swamped. Hiring another person isn't logical, we'd just have to lay him off later in the year. Plus "just hiring someone to answer the phone", is going to raise the cost of bullets. What would that phone person tell you that you can't read off of his FAQ page?


You said it before I could! Brad subscribes to a lean business system. Hiring another person who isnt casting, sizing, or boxing bullets would simply raise cost. He and his wife work hard. Harder than people should, lol. Definately the hardest working retired man I know.

bds
April 21, 2013, 05:21 PM
I've never ordered from MB, but I think his comment was completely fine. He may be a complete jerk, I have no idea
Believe me, Brad is not a jerk, for sure. On the contrary, he not only works to achieve customer satisfaction with his products and customer service, he takes care of his employees and "pays" for their health care!

How many companies do you know that do that?

I work for state government and still have to pay a significant premium and quite a lot of tax payers claim our customer service sucks. :D


He and his wife work hard. Harder than people should, lol. Definately the hardest working retired man I know.
If you read their facebook entries of daily activities (https://www.facebook.com/missouribullet), you won't find Brad just sitting around telling people what to do but gets his hands dirty. They do put in some long and hard work days!

bds
April 21, 2013, 05:47 PM
Now having said all that "nice" things about Brad, he did post this on their FB page (https://www.facebook.com/missouribullet):
Missouri Bullet Company: ... if they don't read it, then we get to hang up on them. That's what I promised Jo Ann!

Perhaps he is indeed working too hard. :D Here's more posts as to what may have lead to that:
Missouri Bullet Company: Busy beyond belief here, activity on every conceivable front. Whew, the trials of being in the manufacturing business! Anyhow, things are moving along and I'll try to find more time to be here with you fine folks!

Missouri Bullet Company: ... we owe about a million of them (Brad's talking about just 9mm 115 gr bullet alone). That is truly insane, given that we ship at least 15,000 every day.

Thor Palm: Lets see,,,,one million divided by 15k,,,hmmmm thats like seven days. OMG!!!! Thats 70 days!!!! I'm feeling sick!

Missouri Bullet Company: Crazy, ain't it? But with the new equipment and the new facility being constructed to put it on, we'll run that one continuously on two machines for two shifts. That'll be 60k per day and we'll whack the backlog fairly quickly (once again, Brad's talking about 9mm 115 gr bullet alone :eek:).

ljnowell
April 21, 2013, 06:36 PM
If you read their facebook entries of daily activities, you won't find Brad just sitting around telling people what to do but gets his hands dirty. They do put in some long and hard work days!

Its not unusual for me to message him and find that he is casting or sizing on a sunday evening, just him and Joanne out in the shop. They are dedicated for sure.

hostjunkies
April 21, 2013, 07:34 PM
I respect him. I saw his video of his operation and I read the article that was written about his business. Total respect! I will order from him in the future just on general principle. He started from nothing and made a small business thrive.

doc540
April 21, 2013, 07:54 PM
even I have enough sense not to waste their time by calling and asking when my order(S) will be shipped

J.R.W.
April 21, 2013, 10:50 PM
Just ordered my next 4k from them. When they arrive, they arrive. Brad has always delivered and I can't think of a better place to spend some money.

Havok7416
April 22, 2013, 02:32 AM
I'm seriously looking at switching from plated bullets to MBC for the cost savings but I am agonizing over the switch/addition of powders I would need as not all are compatible with lead load data.

If I do go to lead, it will be MBC all the way!

bds
April 22, 2013, 02:40 AM
Havok, most powders you use for plated bullets should be compatible with lead bullets.

What calibers/powders?

Havok7416
April 22, 2013, 03:21 AM
Not to derail the thread, but I will recap my PM to bds for the benefit of the forum:

I use Bullseye, Unique, AA#9 and 2400 for my pistol loads (10mm, .45 ACP, 9mm, 9x18 Makarov and .40 S&W,). The 2400 doesn't really count for the purposes of this discussion as it is only used for jacketed .44 Mag.

AA#9 in particular is not listed in any of my three load books for lead and I just bought an 8# jug of it quite recently. The data for AA#9 is available on AA's website and that is likely what I will use once my copious supply of plated bullets is exhausted.

To keep this thread on topic, from all I can tell, MBC is a great company that I would be thrilled to do business with. Their expansion looks promising and I am looking forward to it!

bds
April 22, 2013, 03:31 AM
BTW, Brad is a 10mm shooter and offers 200 gr TCFP (Steeler) along with other 40 cal bullet weights - http://www.missouribullet.com/results.php?pageNum_rsCWResults=1&category=5&secondary=11

ljnowell
April 22, 2013, 03:33 AM
Not to derail the thread, but I will recap my PM to bds for the benefit of the forum:

I use Bullseye, Unique, AA#9 and 2400 for my pistol loads (10mm, .45 ACP, 9mm, 9x18 Makarov and .40 S&W,). The 2400 doesn't really count for the purposes of this discussion as it is only used for jacketed .44 Mag.

AA#9 in particular is not listed in any of my three load books for lead and I just bought an 8# jug of it quite recently. The data for AA#9 is available on AA's website and that is likely what I will use once my copious supply of plated bullets is exhausted.

To keep this thread on topic, from all I can tell, MBC is a great company that I would be thrilled to do business with. Their expansion looks promising and I am looking forward to it!

All of those powders are compatible with lead. In fact, when it comes to 2400 it is probably the BEST magnum powder for lead. I have loaded a metric butt-load of lead in 357 mag and 45 colt with 2400. Unique, BE the same.

If you want to PM me your email address i can email you the Accurate Powder guide. It has data for lead and AA9.

ljnowell
April 22, 2013, 03:35 AM
BTW, Brad is a 10mm shooter and offers 200 gr TCFP (Steeler) along with other 40 cal bullet weights - http://www.missouribullet.com/result...5&secondary=11 Their 180gr TC has shown great results for me in 40 S&W. They have quite a bit of my load data on their website too. When I get something new worked up I usually email it to Brad for their website.

Havok7416
April 22, 2013, 03:49 AM
All of those powders are compatible with lead. In fact, when it comes to 2400 it is probably the BEST magnum powder for lead. I have loaded a metric butt-load of lead in 357 mag and 45 colt with 2400. Unique, BE the same.

If you want to PM me your email address i can email you the Accurate Powder guide. It has data for lead and AA9.
I have the AA guide already downloaded. My, this is progressing quickly! The 2400 powder will not be used for lead as it is exclusively loaded behind FMJ or JHP .44 Mag bullets (or in .30 Carbine but that's not relevant here). I do this because I have a Desert Eagle and Anaconda, both in .44 and I don't trust plated bullets at the velocites the DE prefers.

Havok7416
April 22, 2013, 04:13 AM
BTW, Brad is a 10mm shooter and offers 200 gr TCFP (Steeler) along with other 40 cal bullet weights - http://www.missouribullet.com/results.php?pageNum_rsCWResults=1&category=5&secondary=11
I saw that!:D I have been toying with the idea of lead since my boss mentioned it a few weeks ago. Aftering reading through this thread, I went and checked out the entire MBC website! I ended up with about $500 worth of bullets in my shopping cart after the THR discount was applied.:what: As tempting as it is to place the order, I have to use up all of my Rainier's first and save like there's no tomorrow in the meantime.

TheSaint
April 22, 2013, 04:40 AM
I don't see why some folks have such thin skin. This guy and gal seem like straight shooters if you ask me. They're telling you point blank what they're doing to make their operation as streamlined as possible and asking the customers to cooperate in making that happen for everyone involved. I'd love to order from them once they restock what I need. They seem like good folks, even if some folks thought the tone was gruff, to me it just didn't beat around the bush.

Off-topic: Does someone have a link to the plant tour video that was mentioned earlier? I tried finding these guys on youtube but only found table top reviews by other users. I'd love to see their operation! :)

bds
April 22, 2013, 04:56 AM
Does someone have a link to the plant tour video that was mentioned earlier?
Here you go (wow, that building was packed now!) - http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=3782290856108


An older plant tour video from 2011 during more "slower-paced" times :D - http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1707245901281&set=vb.112819478766864&type=3&theater

TheSaint
April 22, 2013, 05:13 AM
Thanks and thanks! Seriously, we need to nominate you for the patron saint of reloading links. :D

kingmt
April 22, 2013, 07:16 AM
I agree bds is a great asset to the forum.

As to the ton skin comments. I haven't seen the first post that shows that.

gilly6993
April 22, 2013, 09:06 AM
I found some unlabeled powder in my cabinet....how much should I use to load the 45 round?....maybe I should call him?

In all seriousness....MBC is top notch and as is everyone else they are swamped....it's the people that have gotten into the hobby recently that I'm sure are causing the majority of the problems for them....As many of you here also do, I keep a 6-8 month supply of everything....that way you never run out....

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