What is this round and what shoots it?!


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DM.Logan
April 20, 2013, 06:27 PM
Me and my stepdad found this round. He thought it was a .45 but looking at the bottom it says 42 wcc. I slid it in the cylinder of my rugers 45 acp cylinder and its too small for it. So what the hell is it? I looked on google and it showed me a lemat revolver from the civil war but I'm pretty sure this is way more modern then that.183067

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MaterDei
April 20, 2013, 06:54 PM
Likely is a 45ACP if that is what it looks like.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100309204413AAdTcTl

hostjunkies
April 20, 2013, 07:00 PM
It's military 45 ACP from WW2 timeframe

onebilly43
April 20, 2013, 07:01 PM
From the picture it looks like that round has a corrosive primer and 42 is more in likely the date of the round

Reloadron
April 20, 2013, 07:02 PM
WCC = Western Cartridge Corporation
42 = 1942 Manufacture

My guess is it is a .45 ACP round made during WWII. Why it won't chamber for you in a .45 ACP chamber is anyone's guess.

Ron

45lcshooter
April 20, 2013, 07:07 PM
It was manufactured in 1942. Case could be corroded, that's why I could possibly not fit in your cylinder. I would pull for components.

Fishslayer
April 20, 2013, 07:07 PM
WCC = Western Cartridge Corporation
42 = 1942 Manufacture

My guess is it is a .45 ACP round made during WWII. Why it won't chamber for you in a .45 ACP chamber is anyone's guess.

Ron

Will an unsized fired case go into a chamber?

Reloadron
April 20, 2013, 07:25 PM
Will an unsized fired case go into a chamber?
Unsized fired depends on the chamber it was fired in and the chamber we try to get it into. I have spent .45 ACP brass fired in one of my 1911 Colts and they chamber after being fired in that gun. Never tried them in my other 1911 guns.

The OP mentions:
I slid it in the cylinder of my rugers 45 acp cylinder and its too small for it.

I have no clue on that. I have seen some old WWII .45 ACP that is hard to chamber that looks to have swelled a little. I did have a few US made steel cased zinc coated .45 ACP WWII rounds that the primers were turned purple on and I just assumed from age and corrosive priming but never gave it much thought. I had them with a few WWII steel pennies.

<EDIT>

On another note as to WCC 42 being corrosive it is.

WESTERN CARTRIDGE CORPORATION:
Type: .30-'06 Ball
Lot Number: 6428
Date: June 1951
First SAFE Headstamp: WCC 52

Type: .45 ACP Ball
Lot Number: 6375
Date: November 1952

The above data taken from here (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=wcc%20headstamp%20.45&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CDAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.odcmp.org%2F1101%2FUSGI.pdf&ei=tRxzUc3DAtS24APaq4GoBw&usg=AFQjCNHaieav7VnXv6zAzmqrxvZqCtozHg&bvm=bv.45512109,d.dmQ&cad=rja).

</EDIT>

Ron

DM.Logan
April 21, 2013, 12:00 AM
Thanks for the info. Very interesting. No plans on shooting it. I'm gonna take it home and put some calipers on it. Ill let y'all know just how small it is! Thanks again

rondog
April 21, 2013, 12:09 AM
Can you put up any more photos? Side view?

DM.Logan
April 21, 2013, 01:06 AM
Ill put one up in the morning

rondog
April 21, 2013, 12:53 PM
FWIW - I collect WWII stuff, especially ammo, and that round would go right on my shelf with everything else. Bang, it never would. I have a box of 20 RA .45acp rounds all dated 1918.

ReloaderFred
April 21, 2013, 02:02 PM
There's no mystery to it. It's a .45 acp round made by Western Cartridge Company in 1942, right after WW II started. I've got a bunch of that brass, along with WCC 41 that was just shot at our range. In fact, I'm seeing a lot of really old ammunition now being fired for the first time, along with a lot of split cases from old, brittle brass.

I also have some .45 acp rounds from 1918 that list the load of Bullseye on the box.

Hope this helps.

Fred

gpb
April 21, 2013, 02:55 PM
OP stated " I slid it in the cylinder of my rugers 45 acp cylinder and its too small for it"

What is too small? The cylinder chamber or the cartridge?

To me, it sounds like the cartidge is too small for the cylinder chamber.

If the OP takes more pictures, I suggest that he places something of know size next to the unknown for scale comparision. For example, place a 45 ACP or 45 Colt cartridge on one side and a 9mm cartridge on the other side of the unknown.

Drail
April 21, 2013, 04:16 PM
The thing about that WW2 stuff is, you have no idea where it's been. And it's probably been in some pretty funky places. If it won't chamber, it goes on the curio shelf.

DM.Logan
April 22, 2013, 01:10 AM
So the round is small for the cylinder. It fits on but has a ton of play. Sorry I had a long drive and just moved and had to set up my bench. When I get off work tomorrow I will throw a caliper in it and snap a pic

DM.Logan
April 22, 2013, 07:17 PM
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7.62 Nato
April 22, 2013, 07:25 PM
It's .45 ACP. I'd bet if you measured the bullet dia. you would come up with .451, or .452.

Maj Dad
April 22, 2013, 08:18 PM
Those are spot-on specs for OAL & diameter at top of loaded case of a 45 acp. It's a collector piece so put it on your mantel (or with all the other collector stuff on your reloading bench, like mine... ;) )

DM.Logan
April 22, 2013, 08:30 PM
Nice thanks all

ryan3465
April 22, 2013, 10:03 PM
Just curious, if it is a .45 ACP why would the round fit in the cylinder with a ton of play like the OP said originally.

Thanks!

rcmodel
April 22, 2013, 10:05 PM
Max SAAMI chambers on a newer Ruger, and Min WWII ammo standards to allow the rounds to fit in mud & dust choked 1911's in combat?

Seriously, I do not think the loose fit is as loose as the OP says it is.
Or maybe he tried it in the .45 Colt cylinder??

Only the Shadow knows.

rc

DM.Logan
April 23, 2013, 12:18 AM
Was definitely the acp cyl.it not like its falling through the chamber or anything but it was most certainly looser then a new acp round

rcmodel
April 23, 2013, 12:27 AM
Well, all I can tell you is, I was bigger in some respects, and smaller in others 40-50 years ago them I am now.

And you can make what you want of that information.

Not saying your WWII .45 ACP round did the same.

But yours seems to measure out just as it should for a mil-spec WWII .45 ACP round.
Perhaps what you compared it to with todays rounds are not mil-spec??

rc

DM.Logan
April 23, 2013, 01:14 AM
Very nice! I have no doubt your right as this is the oldest round I have ever seen. Thank rc I value your opinion!

Springfield0612
April 25, 2013, 02:38 PM
There was a gentleman on castboolits a couple weeks back that was selling 10K + of WWC 42/43 .45 ACP brass that had the original corrosive primers and was selling it cheap($.03/case?). And it sold like he was selling it! Probably someone that bought it up was at your range? He did some work on the brass and found the primer pockets were smaller than would fit a LPP but too big for a SPP, that's why he was selling it so cheap.

ReloaderFred
April 25, 2013, 03:13 PM
They were crimped, and if he didn't remove the crimp, he wouldn't be able to reprime them. I saw the ad, and it didn't sound like he knew much about them.

Hope this helps.

Fred

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