A good sign of things loosening up


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kgpcr
April 20, 2013, 09:01 PM
I was at a LGS today and they have about 150 20rnd boxes of .223 on the shelf. Its Independence for 11.99 for 20rnds of 55grn FMJ. I hope things start coming around.

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Potatohead
April 20, 2013, 09:20 PM
hopefully...its good they have that many but that price is not much cheaper than ive been paying throughout this thing (12.99)...i did see 10 wwb .45 100rd value packs at wally today..and this was 11:30am..they also had some .40s and.45 hydra shock looking boxes, quite a few...my LGS has had plenty of ammo throughout for some reason (if u wanna pay) but a wk or so ago i saw .223 100rd federal value packs (i think federal) for the first time in awhile and they had ALOT. Cashier told me it has moved past a trickle-ammo coming in

possom813
April 20, 2013, 09:40 PM
Was at Walmart last night, several dozen boxes of Tulammo 7.62x39 and 3 boxes left(2 days after stocking according to the cashier) of .223. I believe it was Remington for $12 per box.

Also had a few boxes of .380, a box of 50 9mm, several boxes of the non panic calibers, and 8 or 10 boxes of .308.

No .22 at all. But this is a good sign, seeing as how all that's been on the shelf out there lately has been 7mag and .243, and .30-06

Reminds me of the sig quote someone has about .30-06 being on the shelves during this panic because people that shoot .30-06 don't panic :)

M1key
April 20, 2013, 10:14 PM
Scored a case of "Independence" XM193 5.56 Nato for $8.97/box at Walmart. It is Israeli made in 2013 with an FC headstamp (Federal).

I will keep watching for this stuff to show up on their shelves...

M

Ignition Override
April 21, 2013, 01:34 AM
There were normal quantities of numerous ammo types at last weekend's Memphis gun show.
Maybe two people paying the very high prices.

If somehow .22 commands the only high prices by mid-summer, then it will also Have to come down after that.
Once other ammo types are much more affordable, a huge number of people won't Need to shoot .22 as an alternative, because they will have their preferred ammo, and can later stock up some extra .22 at 'normal' prices.

Price deflation will start to happen once the masses digest the voting results in the US Senate.

Carter
April 21, 2013, 01:40 AM
I started getting hopeful when I saw a colt AR at walmart for $1097.

4v50 Gary
April 21, 2013, 01:46 AM
The local grocery store has .223 for over $20 for a box of twenty. Forget it!

kgpcr
April 21, 2013, 02:04 AM
It starts with empty shelfs. then a few here and there and very expensive. then more on the shelf but still expensive. Then lots on the shelf but expensive. Then the shelf is well stocked and the price starts to drop. Lets just hope we see more and more on the shelf. I was at Cabelas and they had Herters .223 for 6.99 a box on the shelf

Josh45
April 21, 2013, 03:59 AM
Father went into town today to Walmart and picked up a box of Remington 9mm. 40 and 45. All priced around 20-22 bucks a box. He said they had several boxes. So maybe just maybe supply is catching up a bit....

TheSaint
April 21, 2013, 05:07 AM
My local walmart has been getting shipments of 223/556 daily, but you have to get there in the morning and beat out about 20 other guys. There's ammo to be had out there, you just have to know when it is coming in. Supplies at my LGS and big box stores have been improving. I think we may have turned a corner. Even some of the gunbroker scalpers have dropped their prices.

Superlite27
April 21, 2013, 08:14 AM
I might start to believe the "scare" is over when I begin seeing P-Mags get passed by as they hang on the hooks at Cabela's.

....or when stripped AR lowers get below $150 again.


Either will be a welcome sign.

TheSaint
April 21, 2013, 08:22 AM
Seeing pmags back in stock again would be a welcome sign. I haven't been able to find one cheaper than $30 online for a 10 round AR15 unit. That's crazy when you factor in the seller wanted another $15 for shipping. I want some more, but not at that price. We all have to keep holding out a bit longer and not give in to scalpers.

Potatohead
April 21, 2013, 10:25 AM
.i did see 10 wwb .45 100rd value packs at wally today..and this was 11:30am..they also had some .40s and.45 hydra shock looking boxes, quite a few

i ckd for new ammo this am (22 hrs later) and they STILL had 4 boxes of those wwb 45s left..very good sign..some 40s still left too..also went to another walmart this morning-and this is the one where everyone lines up everyday- and by the time i got there, i was still able to score .223s -tulammo- they also 40s and 45s in the wwb..they were about to be gone tho because a mob was lining up behind me

Potatohead
April 21, 2013, 10:26 AM
what the hecks a pmag

palabman
April 21, 2013, 10:30 AM
what the hecks a pmag

A brand of magazine for an AR15.

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Oklacoyotekiller
April 21, 2013, 10:55 AM
Think i know why wal-mart hasnt had ammo on shelf. Down in bryan/cs for grand daughters bd. Went to ww, strolled by ammo. Signs everywhere saying 3 box limit. Man at counter buying 2 cases of tul 223. Looked behind counter. Couple more cases. Nonne in ammo case..

JERRY
April 21, 2013, 10:59 AM
ive been able to get 7.62x39mm ammo, .38 spl, 9mm, 45acp et cetera...all the while the hoopla has been going on, but no .22lr.

when i can go to wal-mart or the LGS and buy a brick of .22lr every other week i will say things have taken a turn for the better.

Akita1
April 21, 2013, 11:02 AM
what the hecks a pmag
The current belle of the ball re: mags. Here's the link:

http://store.magpul.com/category/PMAG

Potatohead
April 21, 2013, 11:50 AM
Think i know why wal-mart hasnt had ammo on shelf. Down in bryan/cs for grand daughters bd. Went to ww, strolled by ammo. Signs everywhere saying 3 box limit. Man at counter buying 2 cases of tul 223. Looked behind counter. Couple more cases. Nonne in ammo case.

this is true..i admit i was adding to the problem..ive been slipping the wm guy 5$ per box for him to hold ammo for me and sell me more than limit..my wife made me quit buying ammo for awhile so im no longer doing it anymore

we are not amused
April 21, 2013, 02:28 PM
I might start to believe the "scare" is over when I begin seeing P-Mags get passed by as they hang on the hooks at Cabela's.

....or when stripped AR lowers get below $150 again.


Either will be a welcome sign.

Saw some Pro Mag's at the Wichita Cabella's yesterday, they have a pretty good supply of 7.62x39, and have had for some time, and even a few boxes of high end .223. sadly no pistol ammo unless you want Russian 7.62 Nagant.

How ever at the gun show yesterday, I saw both a good supply of P-Mags and other AR mags at prices as low as $12.95.
There was also a pretty good supply of .223 and 7.62x39 ammunition at reasonable prices. I bought 500 rounds of 223 at $.46 cents a round. The first ammo I have bought since the six bricks of .22 LR I bought as Christmas presents for my nephews the day before the New Town shooting.

I almost forgot, I did see some striped AR lowers for about $159!

Perhaps the ammunition shortage is becoming to an end, I hope so, as I am getting short on .22 LR, and was getting short on .223.

Arbo
April 21, 2013, 02:34 PM
I was at a LGS today and they have about 150 20rnd boxes of .223 on the shelf. Its Independence for 11.99 for 20rnds of 55grn FMJ. I hope things start coming around.
I have seen ammo (and primers and powder) come in stock as well. But it doesn't last long. I find it hard to believe a store actually getting a shipment means things are getting better.

One of the places I pick up stuff actually said many of their distributors said to expect zero shipments by the end of summer.

LawScholar
April 21, 2013, 03:24 PM
My Wal Mart is still stripped clean, LGS has stock, but insanely priced.

joeschmoe
April 21, 2013, 04:05 PM
When the number of these threads out number the "gouging" threads I'll believe things have returned to normal. I've been reading claims of "return" since early Feb.

MagnunJoe
April 21, 2013, 04:27 PM
Things in Southern Florida R not getting any better. Semi auto guns r had to find and ammo is impossible to find. Internet places have no ammo neither.

C5rider
April 21, 2013, 05:04 PM
Went to a gun show yesterday and while pricing was way high on ammo, the overall crowd had died down from the peak scare back a few months ago. While the show promoter might not benefit from the record-breaking admittance fee numbers, it was nice to be able to walk around and look at stuff.

Walking by exorbitant pricing is probably the best thing we can do right now to help calm the storm. If gougers won't make these crazy profits, there's less reason for them to, GOUGE us. They'll stop buying up ammo which will leave more for the enthusiasts. My .02

robby04162
April 21, 2013, 05:45 PM
Local Walmart had 2 boxes of Winchester 20 round 5.56 and 50+ boxes of 20 round 7.62X39 here. Was the first time I have seen either this year there.

LGS is also getting lots more ammo in

ngnrd
April 21, 2013, 06:15 PM
I might start to believe the "scare" is over when I begin seeing P-Mags get passed by as they hang on the hooks at Cabela's.

....or when stripped AR lowers get below $150 again.


Either will be a welcome sign.
At the gun show yesterday, stripped Aero Precision lowers were selling for $139. That's not too bad considering no having to wait, and no paying for shipping to Alaska. Same vendor had loads of P-Mags priced at $17 each. Saw lots of guys checking 'em out and moving on without buying, including me. And my LGS has had a bunch of Troy, Pro-Mag, Lancer, and Thermold mags hanging on the rack for the past week.

It will still take a while for the supply chain to fully rebound from the spike in demand, especially regarding ammo. But, the peak demand has passed.

cowtownup
April 21, 2013, 06:24 PM
My LGS got some powder and primers in... He doesn't stock a bunch of powder, maybe 100 one pounders max... Anyhow, i picked up some Varget and some Win 748 that I've been wanting to try...

I'm in eastern, NC

Queen_of_Thunder
April 22, 2013, 12:45 PM
Todays offering at Academy was sparse. They did get some Blazer aluminum FMJ +P
38 special. It was going for $20 a box. There was a lot of 22lr today, three 1600 round cans of CCI mini mags @ $119.99 each and Winchester 50 round boxes were $2.99 each. They also got some Winchester 500 round boxes of 22lr but I didn't catch the price.

We seem to be getting a lot of 22lr and 308 now and I should be happy with the 22lr options but I do need some more 9mm,40s&w,45acp and ,223/556. Hopefully we will cycle back around to the point where 223/556 in bulk was coming in. Same for pistol rounds.

milehighjc
April 22, 2013, 01:05 PM
One more observation: I have been looking for 9 luger here in CO pretty much every chance I could get for the last 4-6 weeks with NO success to speak of. Walmart, Dicks Sporting Goods, Bass Pro, Sportsmans Warehouse, JAX, gun shows, etc.

At the gun show the first weekend in april, there was VERY little ammo to be found on any of the tables, and what was there was priced high. Ammo Kan (who sells volume, and at non insane prices) was sold out of 9mm within the first 30 minutes, and the line was well over 100 people I would estimate.

Saturday, I went stupid early (as I was pretty much out) trying to find anything at all. I was third in line, and bought a 1000 roud box of 115g CPHP once fired reloads. It was expensive ($0.38/rd), but I bought it anyway on the grounds that I had been spending too much time, gas, and energy hunting for ammo.

As I walked around the show for about an hour and a half, I noticed that there was ammo on a LOT of tables - WAY more than what was there early in the month.

A few observations:

It seems like supply is catching up a LITTLE bit with the demand. There actually seems to be more ammo available (still a long way from well stocked shelves however)
Demand is starting to fall off as people have enough to make an occasional trip to the range. Now that I have 1000 (quite a bit more than I intended to buy), I will be out of the market for quite some time.
More people seem to be shopping price. I overheard MANY conversations Saturday where someone would pick up a box, and decide the vendor was asking too much, and move on. Certainly, I will not be buying more until I find something at materially less than the price of the 1000 I just bought.



jc

rcmodel
April 22, 2013, 01:11 PM
I am here to report that the hording frenzy is still in full swing locally.

A friend called me yesterday to report he & his wife bought the last six boxes (3 box limit) of .40 S&W at Wal-Mart Sunday morning at 6:30 AM.
He was super excited about it.

So, I ask him when he got a .40 S&W pistol?

And he said he didn't get one, and had no plans to get one!! :banghead:

rc

ngnrd
April 22, 2013, 01:42 PM
See, that's just ... well ... sad.

Ignition Override
April 22, 2013, 02:09 PM
Arbo:
Even if some businesses were told by distributors to expect zero shipments by the end of summer, this reminds me of a merchandizing tactic over a year ago.

It was February of either '12 or '11.
Several distributors told friends to expect about 25%-30% higher retail ammo costs by May, due to higher fuel costs.

That attempt to create an ammo buying spiral never happened. What a flop!

This time, such talk from distributors could easily indicate that they see an end to the price bubble fairly soon, and being so profitable, they will do anything to prolong the anxiety among novice shooters.

CSG
April 22, 2013, 02:10 PM
.22 is still close to impossible to find here and other calibers are sparse. No sign that things are getting "better".

JohnBiltz
April 22, 2013, 06:21 PM
Went by Cabela's earlier and they had quite a bit of 5.56 and some .22. 3 different brands of 5.56. The Herters was reasonably priced at $6.99 for 20 rounds, steel cased of course. The two brass brands were $9.99.

Oklacoyotekiller
April 22, 2013, 06:25 PM
Went by fort wort cabelas yesterday. Almost no ammo. Only handgun ammo was 327 fed mag.

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