Americas Deadliest City


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rodinal220
April 21, 2013, 08:56 AM
Check out a new NRA video fronting out Chicago on its backwards gun policy and ineffective court system.


http://www.nranews.com/ginny/video/chicago-america-s-deadliest-city

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HKGuns
April 21, 2013, 09:53 AM
Those videos are well done.

Reloadron
April 21, 2013, 12:50 PM
Yes, they are very good videos. Unfortunately they drive home a truth that many of our liberal friends oppose despite the truth right in front of them. Rather than accept responsibility for the mess they created it is much easier to blame the gun. The liberal mind has always found it more convenient to blame something else for their failure to control a coarsening of the US culture they contributed to.

Just My Take
Ron

Derek Zeanah
April 21, 2013, 12:58 PM
The NRA is really stepping up and getting their message out.

We should support this. I've seen a New NRA these last couple of years. I hope we see more of it.

itchy1
April 21, 2013, 01:25 PM
Great video. I think it really has a shot at reaching people who are ambivalent about gun control. I wonder how proud our president is of the city he helped build?

gbran
April 21, 2013, 01:45 PM
Compare Chicago and other similar high crime areas to places like Vermont, Montana, North Dakota. Guess what Chicago has that those low crime areas don't?

A bumper crop of criminals!

Gun laws or the lack thereof, have no impact on crime statistics, but the number of criminals do.

r1derbike
April 21, 2013, 02:05 PM
Very, very well done! THIS is what we need more of, showing the shambles our metro cities are in because of gang violence, and the administration's unwillingness to address it.

Walkalong
April 21, 2013, 02:06 PM
Gun laws or the lack thereof, have no impact on crime statistics, but the number of criminals do.And they are attracted to cities with gun control, since they are not worried about the homeowner popping them. Criminals are much more afraid of home owners with guns than police with guns.

jon_in_wv
April 21, 2013, 02:15 PM
When I lived in California I saw the fallacy of the gun laws there when some 14 year old gang banger can walk down the street with a cheap 380 and act like he has autonomy to do what he wants, take what he wants, and kill whoever opposes him or his will. He knows no one is armed so he has power over everyone he sees. The situation is different in a state like WV where someone who acts like that would likely have a very short lived career as a criminal in a state where people can defend themselves, those they love, and their property. I believe in my heart good people should have a right to stand up for themselves against evil and when we do so as an armed society, evil will not prosper. That is why I love and support the NRA and I'll fight the other side with my every breath for as long as I can.

X-Rap
April 21, 2013, 02:38 PM
There was a ridiculous article in the Huff Post a while back about the most dangerous states for gun violence that didn't list a single anti state.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/16/states-gun-violence_n_3091993.html
I think they used skewed statistics and omissions to get their data. At any rate I would sooner live in any of their top ten as I would one of the anti states.

barnbwt
April 21, 2013, 05:02 PM
Wow, X, the doublethink in that article is actually impressive. Wonder if the writer had to down a shot or two before submitting that to the editor? :scrutiny:

Paraphrasing:
"Gun violence is highest in areas that also have high property crime rates, but they should pass laws to reduce the amount of gun violence." That's right, they correlated gun violence with property crimes, and recommended gun laws as a solution to both :rolleyes:

Best comment on the piece:
"It's interesting how the political spectrum changes when you look at the CITIES that have the worst gun violence."
A good question, indeed, especially as it applies to states with only a few large (crime-ridden) population centers--those areas don't typically have high legal gun-ownership or utilization anyway. I'd love to see a map or stats comparing rates of legal gun ownership to crime rates by community. I imagine it would reveal some interesting motives behind the "buyback" concept...;)

TCB

larryh1108
April 21, 2013, 07:39 PM
That is how I like seeing my donations to the NRA used. That was a very well made clip of what's wrong with gun control in the big cities.

As someone who lived near Chicago for 55 years and who worked in gang infested areas, what was written and said wasn't sensationalized. It was true. They have no fear of the law there. Good job, NRA. Keep it up.

I'd have paid a small fortune to see Emmanuel's face when he first saw it. Better yet would have been the blowhard ex-mayor. His face would have turned beet red. Priceless!

TheSaint
April 21, 2013, 08:54 PM
Excellent job on getting the word out in a high-quality production video. Our message has always had weight, but the presentation matters too. Also, getting Colin Noir on board was a smart move. We need more pro-Constitution minorities to be in these ads.

I've lived in the Chicago metro area for about five years. I can tell you first-hand that there are certain blocks in the South and West sides that it is a SHOCK if you DO NOT hear gunfire daily, and we're not talking from the indoor ranges. Some of the people most in need of guns are the ones that the liberals try to always pretend they speak for; women and minorities.

Lets get more women and minorities as well us 'evil white man with gun' people in these ads. Being pro-Constitution on gun rights means that we need to build a broader tent to bring in the masses. I'm a 30 year old white male. Oh, and I own guns. According to some liberal outlets, that makes me one step away from being a KKK member. If the NRA keeps building a broader brush of all types of people from all walks of life, it will be MUCH harder for the anti-gunners to say that we need to ban guns for the safety of the minorities/women/children in the inner cities. Heck no! We need to be arming all law-abiding citizens, especially those in rough neighborhoods!

Rembrandt
April 21, 2013, 09:15 PM
In recent years Chicago and the Illinois welfare system have been farming out their dysfunctional citizens to nearby states due to exploding costs.....essentially the Chicago criminal sewer is overflowing.

Our County Attorney has been putting the Chicago criminal transplants away at an alarming rate.....seems the judicial system in Illinois is merely a "catch & release" program. The transplants are bewildered when they find out they're about to do hard time.

jack44
April 22, 2013, 10:38 AM
Every State steps on law abiding people rights to own a firearm IE Chicago NYC CA

ol' scratch
April 22, 2013, 01:28 PM
Very interesting about the trains. In Chicago and in Cleveland they break into a lot of trains. It has gotten so bad in the South Side that they tell us in our time table not to walk our train if it goes into emergency. The police also spend a lot of time just watching trains. They have cameras, but no one really cares. I asked a van driver about the cameras and he laughed. The thieves just cover their faces...imagine that. :rolleyes:

2zulu1
April 22, 2013, 03:05 PM
Very nice and in a style that anyone can understand, time to go on the offense.

PlaneJain
April 22, 2013, 05:42 PM
Dang those liberals are a happy lot!

jon_in_wv
April 24, 2013, 03:30 PM
Sorry, but Detroit has some pretty ridiculous gun control laws too. I would argue "demographics" aren't as big an issue as gangs. Most of the cities with the highest murder rates can attribute gang violence to a large portion of those deaths.

silicosys4
April 24, 2013, 03:50 PM
^^ I would have thought gang participants count as a very relevant demographic group in themselves.

larryh1108
April 24, 2013, 04:04 PM
All that just proves what we are saying. Gangs are in the larger cities. They run the cities without fear. They aren't afraid of dying or being locked up for life... it's almost like a badge of honor to them. However, the crats disarm the citizens and the bangers all carry and are not afraid to use weapons. How is this gun control and how is this "common sense" laws? The only ones unarmed are the law abiding people. That is why the gangs run the cities... no fear.

Twmaster
April 24, 2013, 04:07 PM
Excellent job on getting the word out in a high-quality production video. Our message has always had weight, but the presentation matters too. Also, getting Colin Noir on board was a smart move. We need more pro-Constitution minorities to be in these ads.

Agreed on the video being top notch. Also, the NRA added three new commentators. Including Mr. Colion Noir (YouTube Personality), Dom Raso (former Navy SEAL) and Natalie Foster (Girls Guide to Guns) http://www.nranews.com/commentators

Also, this editorial from CNN contributor LZ Granderson goes hand in hand with the NRA video. Mr. Granderson equates the gangs in Chicago to terrorists. And I have to agree with him on that.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/24/opinion/granderson-chicago-terror/index.html?hpt=hp_t4

Vector
April 25, 2013, 09:59 AM
There was a ridiculous article in the Huff Post a while back about the most dangerous states for gun violence that didn't list a single anti state.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/16/states-gun-violence_n_3091993.html
I think they used skewed statistics and omissions to get their data. At any rate I would sooner live in any of their top ten as I would one of the anti states.

Now what would make you think the Center for American Progress would do such a thing. Here is some of their focus points, who's founder was a former Clinton COS and is also affiliated with Obama;

"Civil Rights, Social Action, Advocacy Research Institutes and/or Public Policy Analysis"

Why would anyone think a report by them might contain inaccuracies or bias?

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Vector
April 25, 2013, 10:07 AM
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X-Rap
April 25, 2013, 10:11 AM
The problem is that they, along with others like the Southern Poverty Law Center get coverage in media outlets and before long it's on the Today Show and reported as fact.

breakingcontact
April 25, 2013, 11:38 AM
I don't think criminals are more attracted to the cities with restrictive gun control laws, but I do think the criminal element there gets more brazen. Another factor is if the criminal justice system has teeth or not.

Queen_of_Thunder
April 25, 2013, 11:38 AM
El Paso Texas is the safest large city in the U.S.A. Last year was a bad year for us with 12 murders. Kinda strange considering this is Texas and you know Texans are armed and with Juarez on the other side of the river with El Paso you are forced to conclude that its not guns but people who cause problems.

joeschmoe
April 25, 2013, 04:00 PM
Chicago, keeping organized crime a safe and profitable business for over 100 years.

Okiegunner
April 25, 2013, 05:22 PM
Hmmm...

Political correctness aside.

Where there is smoke there is fire. Two plus two equals four. It is what it is.

All of the major crime cities seem to share a very common demographic. Poverty seems to breed more poverty and government handouts become a way of life for people. Learning how to be on the dole and commit crimes becomes a skill set passed down from one generation to the next.

More stringent and draconian gun laws are not the answer. Enforcing the current laws and teaching folks self reliance would seem to be more in line with an approach that could work.

Just saying...

wvshooter
April 25, 2013, 06:05 PM
The situation is different in a state like WV where someone who acts like that would likely have a very short lived career

I live in WV and a number of years ago some out of state outlaw bikers took up residence in the rural county which is next door to my own county. They behaved badly with the locals for a few months but it didn't last. Three or four of them died from shotgun blasts received from passing pickup trucks. The rest left the area before getting the treatment. Shades of Easy Rider.

Trail must have been cold because no one was ever charged.

jon_in_wv
April 25, 2013, 09:15 PM
Jon in West Virginia, just what.are.those "ridiculous" Detroit gun control laws? Curious minds would like to know!. Even some minds in Michigan!

Whatever,Nawlins is Americas deadliest city.

Well, Google is your friend. If you don't know what their gun laws are them perhaps you shouldn't have spoken out of turn.

WVSHOOTER, good example. WV has a habit of taking care of its own business.

Reloadron
April 25, 2013, 09:53 PM
<OFF TOPIC>

Heading down WV way in a few weeks. Please don't run off the green truck from Ohio. Going to see friends in Webster Springs area then continue down to NC for a few weeks. :)

I love it down in that area. Absolutely love the place!

Ron

hang fire
April 26, 2013, 03:19 AM
All true.

I remember few years ago when when 3 California gangbangers came to Kingman, AZ and was robbing people on the street. All was going well until a 19 year old pulled out a 9mm and popped one in the belly a couple of times.

At his arrest in the hospital, he was ranting about it should be illegal for just anyone to carry concealed guns.

http://www.kingmanaznews.com/main.asp?TypeID=1&ArticleID=41722&SectionID=1&SubSectionID=797&Page=3

jon_in_wv
April 27, 2013, 02:18 PM
If anyone, besides the person who sent me hateful PMs because I stated Detroit has bad control laws and apparently if I live in WV I'm a backwards redneck and I can have no right to an opinion (even though I wasn't born nor raised here), I was referring to:

http://www.squidoo.com/detroitccw

1. Three day waiting period
2. Handgun registration
3. 10 day handgun purchase permits- Must apply at your local LEO and must pass a safety questionnaire with a score of 70% or better.

If you think waiting periods, registration, purchase permits, tests, etc....are perfectly reasonable then you would disagree with my statement. I think they are "ridiculous" as I stated earlier. As far as I'm concerned the only thing missing from the list is handgun or assault rifle bans. They have done nothing to deter or prevent crime in Detroit nor would I compare it to other states/cities as an example of a city with "reasonable" gun control laws. Feel free to disagree, its just an opinion like everything else on this forum.

Lizard1911
April 27, 2013, 06:44 PM
1) Michigan has NO waiting period, therefore Detroit has NO waitnig period.

2) Michigan has a "registration", therefore Detroit has a "registration" process

3) Michigan purchase permits are valid for 10 days. they are available at ANY
police or Sheriff Dept, if one does not like Detriot's system, one may go elsewhere.

Yes Michigan has some funky gun laws. One might learn what those laws are, before
disparaging them.

jon_in_wv
April 27, 2013, 07:36 PM
So by your logic the laws of New York City and Chicago are no different than the laws of New York State and Illinois? Sorry but that doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

In my opinion registration is ridiculous whether on the state of city level. Detroit was the city in question so you are making no point there.

The site I referenced stated there was a three day waiting period. I don't know if that was true or not but for the next Detroit lover who wants to get on my ignore list for attacking me for what wasn't even an inflammatory statement here is a link to the Municipal Code for the City of Detroit. You can judge for yourself since if you live in WV you aren't allowed to have an opinion.

http://library.municode.com/index.aspx?clientId=10649

Apparently, Detroit is a third rail topic and I'll gladly not speak of it again. Ever.

Stevie-Ray
April 27, 2013, 07:46 PM
Unfortunately they drive home a truth that many of our liberal friends oppose despite the truth right in front of them.As Ronald Reagan would say, It's not that our liberal friends are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so.

Reloadron
April 27, 2013, 08:17 PM
So by your logic the laws of New York City and Chicago are no different than the laws of New York State and Illinois? Sorry but that doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

In my opinion registration is ridiculous whether on the state of city level. Detroit was the city in question so you are making no point there.

The site I referenced stated there was a three day waiting period. I don't know if that was true or not but for the next Detroit lover who wants to get on my ignore list for attacking me for what wasn't even an inflammatory statement here is a link to the Municipal Code for the City of Detroit. You can judge for yourself since if you live in WV you aren't allowed to have an opinion.

http://library.municode.com/index.aspx?clientId=10649

Apparently, Detroit is a third rail topic and I'll gladly not speak of it again. Ever.
Makes for some interesting discussion. While I do not live in Detroit or Chicago I ended up in the Cleveland, Ohio suburbs. I ended up here around '72 the first time and as far back as I can remember The City of Cleveland had their own laws. Living in the city limits of Cleveland handgun registration was mandatory. Additionally Cleveland at some point added an assault weapon ban defining their own version of assault weapon. Here in Ohio this was not common to Cleveland either. Several towns and cities had their own little laws.

The problem with this becomes apparent. If I am driving to the range and that drive takes me through Cleveland and I get stopped I face some problems. The same was true of any of these towns and cities with their own laws. Finally enough was enough and the matter went to The Ohio Supreme Court. The cities argued that home rule should prevail. They lost and state law on these matters trumps city and town laws. This is also true of all the CCW laws as well as Castle Doctrine laws. So now it becomes a one size fits all. I can live with that.

Cleveland complained and the horror stories began. Nothing ever came to pass, there was no increase or decrease in crime.

I have a Marine Corps 45 year reunion coming up in late May early June in Branson MO. We trained with the M14 and used the M16A1 in Nam. I was thinking about dragging along a Colt AR-15 SP1 because it is close to what we had in Nam and a M1A as it is as close to a M14 as I'll get. My path from Here to There takes me through IL and I am beginning to wonder if I want to screw with dragging those rifles along. Heck, at least I feel safe bringing along my NCO sword for the cake cutting ceremony. No laws against a sword I hope. :)

Ron

Lizard1911
April 27, 2013, 08:31 PM
In Michigan. State laws regarding firearm laws are
The final word. No local government authority may
enact more restrictive laws than the State already
has. Not all States have this Constitutional provision.
It may sound like I'm attacking you for your stance
on Detroit. I most assuredly am not and apologize
for the misunderstanding. I am, however questioning
your understanding of My State laws.
Never been on an "Ignore List" before. Thank You.

larryh1108
April 27, 2013, 08:54 PM
My path from Here to There takes me through IL and I am beginning to wonder if I want to screw with dragging those rifles along.

No problem there, just keep it unloaded and in a locked case (preferably in the trunk) and you are 100% legal. I wouldn't drive thru Chicago for many reasons but the rest of the state is just fine for traveling with your guns.

Reloadron
April 27, 2013, 09:20 PM
No problem there, just keep it unloaded and in a locked case (preferably in the trunk) and you are 100% legal. I wouldn't drive thru Chicago for many reasons but the rest of the state is just fine for traveling with your guns.
Thanks and sort of what I figured. Those two rifles would serve up some memory in our hospitality room. I'll just secure them in a locking box in the back of the truck and of course unloaded. I-70 to St. Louis keeps me well south of Chicago.

Thanks Again
Ron

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