slide fire work?


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Potatohead
April 21, 2013, 09:58 AM
has anyone seen or have any experience with these slide fire stocks that kind of turn your semi auto into an automatic ? it looks pretty cool, i saw this russian dude using it on you tube and it looked like it worked well. it kind of uses the recoil to rock the stock back and forth into the trigger....the guy was laying down some serious lead with it..gimmick?

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Potatohead
April 21, 2013, 10:02 AM
http://www.slidefire.com/

M-Cameron
April 21, 2013, 10:11 AM
has anyone seen or have any experience with these slide fire stocks that kind of turn your semi auto into an automatic ? it looks pretty cool, i saw this russian dude using it on you tube and it looked like it worked well. it kind of uses the recoil to rock the stock back and forth into the trigger....the guy was laying down some serious lead with it..gimmick?


first things first, they do not turn your gun into an automatic.

what the slidefire stocks do is allow you to 'bump fire' your gun......in essence, it allows you to pull the trigger faster by utilizing the recoil of the gun.....but the gun still remains semi auto and require a pull of the trigger per each shot.

Potatohead
April 21, 2013, 10:19 AM
yea yea yea...does it work?

Robert
April 21, 2013, 10:22 AM
Sure they work, but I refuse to spend that much money on something that makes my rifle less accurate. Would it be fun, sure I guess. A waste of money and ammo? You bet. But that is just me.

gym
April 21, 2013, 10:24 AM
He just told you what it did. Buy one and try it, if you don't mind 30 dollars a second in wasted ammo.

Potatohead
April 21, 2013, 10:25 AM
thats kind of what i was thinking. ammo at these prices pretty much makes it an easy choice...cant do it. i guess it would be nice to have if the stuff hit the fan

Potatohead
April 21, 2013, 10:27 AM
you guys sound like your mad that you dont have one

Drail
April 21, 2013, 10:29 AM
Just stick your figer in the trigger guard and "diddle" it rapidly. Same thing - less money. Great way to waste expensive ammunition. But you'll look so cool doing it.

JShirley
April 21, 2013, 10:32 AM
The Tavor ( http://www.shootingreviews.com/iwi-tavor-sar/) was also ridiculously easy to bumpfire- in fact, I thought it was full auto. Unlike what Drail suggests, bump-firing uses a stiff finger, not one moving rapidly.

John

The-Reaver
April 21, 2013, 10:36 AM
http://m.youtube.com/user/Reaver1776?feature=guide

I got a quick 06 second video using one.

Robert
April 21, 2013, 10:37 AM
Mad, not at all. My shooting is done for a purpose, even plinking. If the shot is not going to teach me something or help me improve as a shooter then I am not taking it. I have shot full auto weapons. They have their place and on some levels are very fun. But my AR is not a SAW or 240B, it's purpose is to provide accurate aimed fire. Not turn money into noise.

Potatohead
April 21, 2013, 10:41 AM
fair enough

Potatohead
April 21, 2013, 10:43 AM
thx for vid reaver...it sure looks like a whole lotta fun...be alot more fun using someone elses ammo tho

Hacker15E
April 21, 2013, 11:08 AM
I don't see the appeal, personally. Waste of $ to buy, waste of $ to use IMHO.

But, diff'rent strokes -- if it floats your boat, have a nut.

CSG
April 21, 2013, 11:27 AM
Make for entertaining videos but I wouldn't waste my money on one (or the ammo).

gspn
April 21, 2013, 11:30 AM
Man...lots of Debbie Downers in this thread. Yes...they work. A buddy of mine bought several and we break them out for some occasional fun.

We may show up at the farm with 30 or 40 guns. One or two of which might be either full auto or a bump fire stock like you're looking at.

This is America...if you can afford it and you want it...buy it...who cares what anyone else thinks. Shooting is supposed to be fun...and rapid fire is fun.

rcmodel
April 21, 2013, 11:32 AM
guess it would be nice to have if the stuff hit the fanOnly if you want to be able to run through your whole ammo supply in seconds without hitting anything.

As Robert said in post #12, some of us have military experience with the real deal.

And unless it is a dedicated light machine gun, full auto is a waste of ammo about 95% of the time.

rc

Potatohead
April 21, 2013, 12:03 PM
i have to listen to the experienced folks whove shot the real thing...but there are a few debby d's here, your right...hey gspn, do they work pretty ? and is that akward or something you can get used to pretty quickly? the website says 2 clips and your ready to roll

M-Cameron
April 21, 2013, 12:13 PM
From what I understand, they are pretty easy to get the hang of.... The 2 magazines seems pretty reasonable

I have no experience with the slide fire stock, but I do have trigger time with automatic weapons.... If you are just looking to have fun at the range, go for it....but I wouldn't count on it for self defense use.

gspn
April 21, 2013, 12:28 PM
They are right in that you'll get the feel for it in a few mags. Remember that this functions in a way that's different from the normal way you use a rifle. Here you pull the stock into your shoulder and push the rest of the gun away from you...it's gonna feel a little awkward.

When we shoot these we are always just plinking at cans on our short range. I don't imagine they'd be very accurate at a distance.

Our application for these is fun-and-gun. I put it in the same category as tannerite...it's a really fun way to turn money into noise. If I needed a SHTF gun this would not be the one I grabbed.

longdayjake
April 21, 2013, 12:29 PM
I recently had a chance to use one. I thought that it was very controllable. My "pattern" at about 100 yards was what I might call "effective." Though I will say, that for all the fun it was, it really would get expensive to shoot. But if you have the money I say go for it.

blarby
April 21, 2013, 12:34 PM
If you needed to simulate FA for suppressive fire, they would be very handy if you didn't have a semi and the know how to do it otherwise.

In that same line, I think these are a solution looking for a problem, but they are fun :evil:

MAKster
April 21, 2013, 12:45 PM
I think it is funny that some people complain that they cannot easily buy a full auto rifle but when someone develops the equivalent that is unregulated and costs 1/50 the price of a full auto AR they poo-poo it. It leads me to believe that some people just think whatever they cannot buy must be cooler.

Steve in PA
April 21, 2013, 12:46 PM
I was at a LEO CQB training class this past week and one of the officers broke out his personal Stag rifle with the slide fire stock installed. Damn thing was awesome!!!

Potatohead
April 21, 2013, 01:40 PM
souds great steve steve...im thinkin hard about just goin for it...its gona wreak havoc on my ammo supply tho

Fleetman
April 21, 2013, 01:58 PM
They work, plain and simple. Sure, some people think they're a waste of money and a waste of ammo....to each their own....it's MY money, MY ammo, and MY fun. Just like everything else in the world, some people like them, some people don't.

In our case, we collect EVERYTHING gun-related.

Armed 24/7
April 21, 2013, 02:23 PM
My Wife gave me one for Christmas. On my AR it is great fun. Can do 30 rd mag dumps in 2-3 seconds. I put it on my S&W 15-22 and I can get it to do short 5-10 round bursts. I need to get a lighter trigger for it to work properly. The .22LR does not have as much recoil, thus the need for the lighter trigger.

M-Cameron
April 21, 2013, 03:57 PM
I think it is funny that some people complain that they cannot easily buy a full auto rifle but when someone develops the equivalent that is unregulated and costs 1/50 the price of a full auto AR they poo-poo it. It leads me to believe that some people just think whatever they cannot buy must be cooler.


people complain that they cant buy full auto weapons because it is a clear violation of our 2A rights.....not because everyone thinks they are super-fantastic-weapons.

hell, i think that if FA firearms were just as avaliable as any other gun, people still would still recommend semi auto firearms for SD......mainly because they are more controllable and easier to aim accurately.

the same applies to the Slidefire.....i dont think anyone here thinks they are crap.....it just depends on what you plan on using it for.

for a SD/SHTF gun.....most people would recommend a semi-automatic...

but for range fun.....by all means, buy one and have some fun.

Drail
April 21, 2013, 04:09 PM
If you got the pesos to burn, go for it.

JShirley
April 21, 2013, 04:21 PM
If full-auto weapons were at least an inexpensive as others (Sten guns, for instance, should be dirt cheap), I would only see any real personal utility in something like a Skorpion VZ61.

John

Fleetman
April 21, 2013, 04:21 PM
I think much better choices can be had for self-defense purposes than a firearm equipped with a Slide-Fire stock.....although I own S/F's for an AR and AK, I view them as novelties. I would much rather use a semi-automatic and yes, a S/F can still be used as a semi but the finger rest could inadvertantly get in the way, particularly in a stressfull situation. Yep, you could practice with them enough to become very proficient but as noted, it would be VERY expensive.

Loc n Load
April 21, 2013, 04:31 PM
I have been shooting and training with full auto weapons since Uncle Sam presented me one back in 69....it was an M-60.....since then I have had trigger time on M-16's, Ma Dueces, MP-5's, 240 bravos,AK-47's,HK's,RPK etc.....I also own several slide fire stocks for the AR and AK platforms....are they effective as a "for real F/A"?....depends on your skill level.....typically most shooter's are not effective with any shoulder fired rifle round full auto fired from the shoulder.....that is one of the main reasons why the U.S. mil went to the burst feature on the M-16A2, if you are shooting a bipod shoulder fired weapon from the ground such as an M-60 or 240B, RPK or an HK, and you use some "fire discipline" you can be most effective....in my experience the slide fire stock presents the same challenges....some people can learn to shoot them in "bursts" and some cannot..most end up with a "spray and pray" rattle of rounds fired, but have a big smile on their face....at 15 - 20 yds I can come close with my slidefires as to what I can do with a "for real" auto that would cost me 20 plus thousand along with all the other costs... With the slidefire on a 9mm upper, you have an entirely different scenario.....it is controllable....as is the 22 RF set up....would I consider one for self defense? No.....because I am trained to work double taps and triples from S/A mode even with full auto platforms....
Are the slidefires fun? Yes...Are they for everybody? No.... Can you run thru a lot of ammo? Yes.....why do I own them? Because I can.
That's the same reason I have for about 99% of the rest of the stuff I own.I use both the slidefire and the "bumpski" stocks.

bannockburn
April 21, 2013, 04:35 PM
I use to have a Sterling MK.VI 9mm. carbine and even with it just being a semi-auto I could run through three or four 36 round mags incredibly fast. After awhile, even using relatively cheap WWB at the time, it just got too expensive to keep doing it every week or so. So as far as excessive ammo usage is concerned, I probably wouldn't be much interested in a Slidefire set-up.

Tempest 455
April 21, 2013, 05:12 PM
Personally, it WAS more fun with a .22 until than .223 until prices went crazy. No it's not at all the same thing as pulling the trigger fast. You can get around 700 RPM with one. Gives you the full auto jollies. Like I said, it was better when .22 was $.05 round. Bit now even shooting .22 is expensive.....................

Giterboosted
April 21, 2013, 05:37 PM
I didn't read all the above posts, but I'll just say it works wonderfully and accuracy isn't super bad, I can keep very single round on paper at 30 yds, but it takes a little practice

loose noose
April 21, 2013, 05:43 PM
Quite a few years ago I had a device that attached to the trigger guard of a 10-22, it to would rotate and activate the trigger in an allmost full auto mode. In fact it would go thru a 25 round magazine in less than 3-4 seconds. Needless to say I too have had the misfortune of shooting a FA, and I doubt seriously that the bump fire is even on a level of one of them. BTW I had the opportunity to shoot semi-auto, or 3 shot bursts. Again "whatever floats your boat" it's your money and your ammo. Have fun! ;)

The-Reaver
April 21, 2013, 07:17 PM
thx for vid reaver...it sure looks like a whole lotta fun...be alot more fun using someone elses ammo tho
IT WAS

That's the best part. Not my AR not my Ammo.

Guy bought it and that was the first time the rifle had ever been fired. He was 'afraid' to shoot it first....

huh, the only reason I keep those guys around is because their dumb. Am I a bad person?

Jim Mac
April 21, 2013, 08:17 PM
I almost bought one for my ak last summer. Im cheap and the cost of the stock (used 275) and the amount of ammo I would burn through, I talked myself out of it.
If I could find a used one cheap, I would definetly buy it. WHY? because we can! Like the 6-71 blower sticking out of the hood of my camaro, does it work? yes, is it practical? no, is there a fun factor, YES. jim

Searcher4851
April 25, 2013, 01:12 PM
Yes they work. Yes they are fun, for a while. Ammo costs seem to reduce the fun factor for me after a while. I'd rather hit what I'm shooting at with one round at a time, but that's just me. I still have access to one, and take it out on occasion when I just need to have some crazy fun, but would not use it for anything serious. The fun factor is hard to resist at times though.

breakingcontact
April 25, 2013, 06:00 PM
Step 1, buy slidefire stock
Step 2, shoot slidefire stock
Step 3, replace slidefire stock with original

Or just shoot a buddies and save the steps and money. Uncle Sam will pay you to shoot the real thing. Will even buy ammo for you.

Some people just love sending lead down range. Others enjoy practicing marksmanship.

ball3006
April 25, 2013, 07:56 PM
It is easy to buy a full auto rifle. All it takes is lots of money. Just find the gun you want, put a down payment on it, fill out the paperwork and send it to Uncle with 200 bucks and wait about 6 months. chris3

Tempest 455
April 25, 2013, 08:59 PM
Or both! :)

Sambo82
April 25, 2013, 09:02 PM
I've shot plenty of full auto in my time in the Marines, and I have a Slide Fire and have fun shooting it. After one mag you can be proficient with it. Like loc n load said full auto has it's place if you're diciplined and accustomed to it. With the slide fire I'd say most shooters can put 3 round bursts into a torso sized area at around 50 yards after just a little practice. And if semi auto was more effective in every situation, the military wouldn't have any full auto firearms either.

Downside; you can go through ALOT of ammo. Here's my first day out with mine;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-2KJD-NuXk

With ammo the way it is I actually havn't taken it out since the crunch began. I like it. It's fun, but I wouldn't worry about getting one until ammo gets more reasonable, unless you've got bottomless pockets.

Magnuumpwr
April 25, 2013, 10:42 PM
This is from experience, I personally own one for an AR and an AK. Yes, at first you will go thru a good bit of ammo. With practice you will be able to call the burst amount before shooting and accuracy will be better than shoulder firing as fast as you can pull the trigger. This is because you are not actually "pulling" the trigger for each shot, but rather the gun "sliding" backwards and forwards. The trick is your support hand tension pushing forward. It's akin to riding a bike, very few children just jump on it and ride off without falling. As with most things, it takes practice. Some people are limited by their funds to indulge in such things, but if you are not one of those people and it appeals to your taste, go for it.

soonerfan85
April 25, 2013, 11:03 PM
Sambo is correct. Just about anyone should be able to master 2 or 3 round bursts with the SFS after minimal practice. You can also use the SFS just like a conventional semi auto by locking the slide in place and firing one shot at a time. You really only waste ammo if you are unable to exercise a little self control. Which is nearly impossible the first time or two. :). You probably won't win a shooting match using a full auto rifle, so the SFS is really no different in that regard. It's fun, and that's all it was intended to be. The ability to actually aim the rifle while operating in simulated full auto puts the SFS miles ahead of bump firing from the hip. I have one on my Ruger 556 and it works flawlessly. Try it. You'll like it.

Ranger Roberts
April 26, 2013, 03:44 PM
I've used them a few times over the years and had fun with them. You have to get the knack for them though. If you have the $$ to burn some ammo, I say go for it. When Uncle Sam was giving me ammo to burn I had a lot of fun with F/A's. Nowadays I personally can't justify the cost. I recently saw a youtube video of a guy using a rubberband and he got the same effect as the slidefire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5XzQ1BS7gU

HoosierQ
April 26, 2013, 03:54 PM
thats kind of what i was thinking. ammo at these prices pretty much makes it an easy choice...cant do it. i guess it would be nice to have if the stuff hit the fan
Frankly it'd be the last thing I'd want in your stated scenario. Should that state of affairs come to pass, ammo is going to be quite valuable as presumably there won't be anybody left to either make it or sell it (zombies, jihad, Yellowstone supervolcano...whatever apocalypse is floating your boat).

In such a scenario, your gonna want every single shot to go right where you need it to go because each one out the muzzle cannot be replaced.

In more sane times like now...such as they are...you'd go broke fooling with that silly thing.

Inebriated
April 26, 2013, 03:59 PM
It's pretty stupid.

Fun as can be, and works flawlessly... but stupid.

mrnic3guy1989
April 26, 2013, 04:13 PM
My buddy had one tons of fun waste of money doesn't always work that well. IMHO save the money get into reloading.

Cooldill
April 27, 2013, 07:35 AM
Well back before this insane madness with gun/ammo prices, I was seriously considering getting a Bumpski bump fire stock to put on an AK-74. This was when 5.45x39mm was about $0.14 a shot. Now it can't even be found for sale.

Aside from occasional fun, I could see it being used in a suppression/close quarters role in SHTF-WROL for shock and awe. Sending 30 rounds of 5.45mm lead downrange in a couple seconds would sure be a hell of a deterrent to say a group of bandits or pillagers. But to me, aimed semi-auto fire is far superior in most situations, and a quick trigger finger on semi would pretty much cause the same effect.

Art Eatman
April 27, 2013, 12:29 PM
My local gunsmith guy told me that he's installed several Slidefires. After folks learn to control them, they get plenty of hits.

I read either here or at TFL that when hunting hogs from a helicopter (Texas) that a competent user can do well when a sounder of hogs is spotted.

And that's all I know about them. :)

MagnumWill
April 27, 2013, 02:03 PM
+1 on the rubber band around the mag and trigger. I do it with my RPK and do the whole magazines with it. I cannot believe that people are paying such ludicrous prices for something that can be achieved with a .0001 cent rubber band. Plus, when you get good (like I have with it), you can bump fire *without* a rubber band, slide fire or belt loop. It does get tough after a while, since my RPK is so durn heavy up at shoulder height for more than a couple minutes :)

A lot of people may not have heard about this scenario. When I was in college, we had a small pack of pen inserts in a display case, that were used in space. The idea was - ballpoint pens do not work in orbit/space, since there's no gravity to pull the ink down. Hence, NASA developed an initiative to develop air-pressurized pens, that worked on earth and in space. Each pen insert cost a LOT of money to make (especially with engineering and R&D to develop it). But they worked great.

The Russians used pencils.


See what I'm getting at? I digress, thanks for bearing with me.

tjd78z
May 6, 2013, 09:22 PM
I have one and love it, have a dedicated lower for it so I can switch it out. It's also great way to pickup brass from all my buddies! You can control it despite what most people say, and if used properly I think it can become a great tool. Cause a tool is exactly what it is, just like any other firearm accessory. But it doesn't make since to me if you haven't shot one and are saying that they are useless, inaccurate or not worth the money. I mean 5.56 ammo isn't worth $1/round but people payed it. To me it's worth the $300, cause if SHTF I wouldn't want to be caught pulling out my rubber band and relying on it to sling some lead.

dcarch
May 8, 2013, 01:28 AM
My biggest issue with the slidefire (besides the fact that I think it looks like an abomination of the worst degree) is the legal ramifications of having one. Hear me out now. I know that Slidefires are perfectly legal. I know that TECHNICALLY, there would be no problem with using one in legal self-defense, tactics-wise. However, imagine, if you will, a scenario in which you use your Slidefire equipped AR (or perhaps AK) in a legitimate self-defense situation. Already given the politically charged nature of the gun control debate, using an AR or an AK skates awfully close to the line of "overkill" in the eyes of many court systems. Now imagine the "fun" a prosecution lawyer could have when he found out that you had attached an aftermarket device to your rifle to allow it to simulate full-auto fire. I would submit to you that the average citizens on a jury are not as well-versed on firearms laws as you or I are, and with a little persuasion by a convincing lawyer, could very easily turn your legitimate self defense case into a raving gun nut with a machine gun who said "make my day" as he pulled the trigger. I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer here, I'm just stating a legitimate possibility you have to be aware of in the case of you getting involved in a defensive scenario armed with a weapon with a Slidefire. Now don't get me wrong, I like shooting fast just as much as the rest of us. However, in my case, and given the political situation in my specific area regarding guns, I think I would probably pass on the Slidefire.

justice06rr
May 8, 2013, 01:57 AM
^ That is more paranoia thinking IMO.

As stated, the Slidefire is completely legal and does not turn your rifle into a true FA weapon.

What would it matter if you actually shot a bad guy with a semiauto or full-auto gun anyway? If you are in fear of your life and justified to defend yourself, it would not matter if you shot the BG with a 22lr or 50BMG, semi or FA.

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As far as the topic of the Slidefire itself, its a cool little trinket if you can afford it. Its a much better alternative than going the Full-auto route with a Class3 rifle.

I've thought of buying one since my LGS has a few laying around, but I'm intending to wait until ammo comes back in supply again.

xxjumbojimboxx
May 8, 2013, 02:03 AM
+1 on the rubber band around the mag and trigger. I do it with my RPK and do the whole magazines with it. I cannot believe that people are paying such ludicrous prices for something that can be achieved with a .0001 cent rubber band. Plus, when you get good (like I have with it), you can bump fire *without* a rubber band, slide fire or belt loop. It does get tough after a while, since my RPK is so durn heavy up at shoulder height for more than a couple minutes :)

A lot of people may not have heard about this scenario. When I was in college, we had a small pack of pen inserts in a display case, that were used in space. The idea was - ballpoint pens do not work in orbit/space, since there's no gravity to pull the ink down. Hence, NASA developed an initiative to develop air-pressurized pens, that worked on earth and in space. Each pen insert cost a LOT of money to make (especially with engineering and R&D to develop it). But they worked great.

The Russians used pencils.


See what I'm getting at? I digress, thanks for bearing with me.
Fisher space pen :), writes underwater too.

xxjumbojimboxx
May 8, 2013, 02:11 AM
^ That is more paranoia thinking IMO.

As stated, the Slidefire is completely legal and does not turn your rifle into a true FA weapon.

What would it matter if you actually shot a bad guy with a semiauto or full-auto gun anyway? If you are in fear of your life and justified to defend yourself, it would not matter if you shot the BG with a 22lr or 50BMG, semi or FA.

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As far as the topic of the Slidefire itself, its a cool little trinket if you can afford it. Its a much better alternative than going the Full-auto route with a Class3 rifle.

I've thought of buying one since my LGS has a few laying around, but I'm intending to wait until ammo comes back in supply again.
dcarch has a very good point... It's not like reporters and media care what legal or whats not. They care about whats sensational. And if poeple are scared because they think poeple have an easy way to make a weapon "full auto" whether it is or not. Simply leaves too much room for stupidity and sensationalist media.

Little do folks know, it literally only takes a bread bag tie to make some AK's full auto, You basically just hold the sear back... In all of my aks theres a point inside the receiver that the sear can be tethered to. When you do that, theres nothing to hold the hammer down if you dont let off the trigger. So it will just keep on flying. I've never tried this of course, the mechanics of this method dont seem very sound and i dont have the money, or the health insurance, or the money once again for a lawyer to be trying these sorts of things... But it really is that simple. Poeple just dont get it. Because they dont take the time to look.

03Shadowbob
May 8, 2013, 06:05 AM
I bought one when first released on a group buy. Easy to operate, not all the inaccurate as it is a 5.56 round, and fun as anything. If you have the cash and the ammo why not buy one and run a beta mag through it every once in a while. You only live once.

Lloyd Smale
May 8, 2013, 06:16 AM
i think there a great bang for the buck when you factor in the cost of a class 3 gun these days.

Carl N. Brown
May 8, 2013, 06:41 AM
Meyer, G. E., (2009). "Will it hurt me in court: weapons issues and the fears of the legally armed citizen". The Jury Expert, American Society of Trial Consultants, vol 21 no 5, Sept 2009, p 29-42.
http://www.thejuryexpert.com/2009/09/will-it-hurt-me-in-court-weapons-issues-and-the-fears-of-the-legally-armed-citizen/

Based on Meyer, G.E., Banos, A.S., Gerondale, T., Kiriazes, K., Lanklin C.M. & Rinker, A.C. (2009). "Juries, Gender, and Assault Weapons", Journal of Applied Social Pscychology, 39, 945-972.

Mock jury (law students) given: Questionable shoot by homeowner against burglar caught stealing a VCR; burglar on order "don't move" curses, threatens to kill. Homeowner shoots and kills burglar. Mock jurors were presented with standard prosecution/defense arguments. Study was to check effect of weapon used on juror opinion. Six weapon choices were used, including AR-15 and Mini-14. Verdict of guilty of manslaughter was 65% if AR-15 was used, 45% if Mini-14 was used. If found guilty, AR-15 users got 7 to 9 years, versus ~2.5 years for Mini-14 users. The jurors were selected from Texas college students.

On intentional but mistaken shootings by police (scenario: officer arriving at reported robbery shoots first three people exiting door) judged by LEOs with lethal force experience: bad shooting by male officer with an AR-15 was judged harsher than with a Glock but bad shooting by female officer with Glock was judged harsher than with an AR-15.

I would like to hear what GEM would have to say about using simulated full-auto in self-defense.

My opinion: Simulated full-auto is for a range toy for funsies only, not for serious self defense use. I own a M1 carbine, Thompson carbine and a Kalashnikov for military match shooting and carry on the mountain for defense aginst predators. My go-to home defense weapons are 12ga pump & #00 buck and a .38 revolver & JHP +P to avoid ricochet and over-penetration.

Carl N. Brown
May 8, 2013, 06:57 AM
In all of my aks theres a point inside the receiver that the sear can be tethered to. When you do that, theres nothing to hold the hammer down if you dont let off the trigger. So it will just keep on flying. I've never tried this of course, the mechanics of this method dont seem very sound ....
An untethered sear can release the hammer before the bolt is fully closed and locked. The actual full auto AK fire control group includes a disconnect to hold the hammer until the bolt is fully locked into the trunion; that also reduces the cyclic rate of the AK from 1/900th of a second to about 1/720th for safe full auto. Installing the disconnect requires drilling a hole in the receiver visible from the outside.

xxjumbojimboxx
May 9, 2013, 12:17 AM
An untethered sear can release the hammer before the bolt is fully closed and locked. The actual full auto AK fire control group includes a disconnect to hold the hammer until the bolt is fully locked into the trunion; that also reduces the cyclic rate of the AK from 1/900th of a second to about 1/720th for safe full auto. Installing the disconnect requires drilling a hole in the receiver visible from the outside.
Ohhh that could be very nasty!... Glad i havent tried it, Have you heard of anyone who has?

justice06rr
May 10, 2013, 02:34 AM
So I guess if I shot a BG with a double-barrel shotgun instead of an AR15, i'm less guilty? :rolleyes:

shafter
May 10, 2013, 09:27 AM
I hear Slidefire for the 10/22 is coming out in June or July. . .:D

Elbert P . Suggins
May 10, 2013, 08:44 PM
Colonel Kernel, even your poster name sounds very cocky. I believe you are young and naive on top of that. I bought a slide fire for my Stag AR15 2 years ago when they first came out. I shot 3 mags of 223 thru it and took it off. That was fun enough. And I paid the high price of $493. I felt kind of stupid for buying it but I had the money. I still have it but it collects dust.
As far as being useful in SHTF scenarios, forget it. Go to semiauto and quit watching TV.

BluegrassDan
May 10, 2013, 11:00 PM
IMHO, which resonates with the majority of posts here, slidefire stocks are kinda cool to show off or have fun for a magazine or two. Otherwise, a waste of money in terms of the stock and the ammo. I'd rather ask a buddy to over with the real thing.

Also, I'd hate to explain to a jury why I blew 30 holes through an intruder in 2.25 seconds, Rambo-style, with an aftermarket stock designed to simulate fully automatic fire rates. It would be an uphill battle to say the least.

Sambo82
May 11, 2013, 12:31 AM
Why would you have to explain anything to a jury? Maybe it's the attitude of the LEO's and justice system in my state, but I don't see anyone going to trial for shooting an intruder in their own home.

benzy2
May 11, 2013, 12:51 AM
If I'm shooting large amounts of ammo in short amounts of time, I'm really only financially interested if its in .22lr. With the lack of even that on the market, I will be glad to waste it at slightly slower speeds yet. I've looked at them for the m&p 15-22 but even then it takes a lighter trigger, running another $100-$150 on top of the slide fire cost. At that point I have decided I shoot fast enough in plain semi-auto.

Cool toy for this with the money to set them up and feed them though. If you simply want a tool it is a waste. If you want a toy it's a blast. Decide why you shoot and it should be easy to tell if one is for you.

Cryogaijin
May 11, 2013, 06:28 AM
I own one. It is currently on my Saiga 12. My thoughts: It is silly stupid fun, but the recoil on 12 gauge is such that you're lucky to get 5 shots off in a string before resetting. (3 is more common.) I somewhat fear putting it on my .308 as it is much more expensive to fire.

On the 12, using #4 buck at about 30 yards the accuracy wasn't bad, but you get a lot of spread in 30 yards.

baylorattorney
September 13, 2013, 06:05 AM
It's cool as all get out fun to shoot.... Lots of fun. Freaks the neighbors out too. I keep mine on for hunting too since it has the option to lock down to prevent the bump and fire one shot on target down range....great trigger, better than my timney even.

Lloyd Smale
September 13, 2013, 07:05 AM
as to defending one in court. Bottom line is if you shoot someone with an ak, sks or ar your going to be protrayed as using a machinegun anyway. that said I have a slide fire stock but its on an ar i use for fun not for home defense. I really dont think theres many here so stupid as to unleash ANY full out or bump fire gun in there home if theres an intruder and bottom line is unless someones in your home you dont have much legal right to gun them down with any rifle.

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