30-06 powder selection


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taybri
April 24, 2013, 04:03 AM
Hey, I'm new to 30-06 loading. I have a bunch of powder on hand from other calibers I load. Buying powder is a real pain these days. Does anyone know which of these powders would work best with 168 gr Berger VLD hunting bullets. I have a new Remington 783 in 30-06. I want to know which of these powders might work in 30-06:

-reloader15
-h4831sc
-imr3031
-ramshot x-terminator

Thanks,
Brian

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gamestalker
April 24, 2013, 04:25 AM
Of those you listed I would personally pick H4831sc. But if you asked me what powder I would load 30-06 with, and I do, I would go with either RL22, RL19, H4831sc, IMR-4350, or H1000. Each of those are on order of personal preference.
I've had very good results wiht all of those in the 30-06, but the one that sticks out the most is RL22. Very accurate at the top end, and I was able to attain top velocities, with very easy to manage pressures.
GS

ArchAngelCD
April 24, 2013, 06:51 AM
Hey, I'm new to 30-06 loading. I have a bunch of powder on hand from other calibers I load. Buying powder is a real pain these days. Does anyone know which of these powders would work best with 168 gr Berger VLD hunting bullets. I have a new Remington 783 in 30-06. I want to know which of these powders might work in 30-06:

-reloader15
-h4831sc
-imr3031
-ramshot x-terminator

Thanks,
Brian
That's a tough one alright.

IMO all the powders you have are either too fast or too slow for loading the 30-06. I usually load on the slow side with H4350 and H4831 is even slower but I really don't see any data available for that combination on the Hodgdon Site. Lyman has load data but all loads using 4831 are compressed so if all I had were the powders you list I would be using either IMR3031 or RL15. BUT, I would really try to find a powder in the burn rate range between IMR3031 and 4831 with 4895, 4064 or 4350 being the best choices IMO. (sorry)

StretchNM
April 24, 2013, 08:07 AM
Hey Tabri, welcome to the forum.

I don;t use any of your listed powders in 30-06, nor do I shoot that bullet. But I can tell you what my Rem 700 ADL shoots best.

In bullet weights between 150gr through 180gr, IMR4064 gets more "best loads" in my reloading notes.

RL19 gets the second best number of best loads, but it is not close to 4064.

In the Hornady 165gr Interlock and the Speer 165gr Grand Slam (both SP-flat bullets), IMR4895 gives me the tightest groups.

All rifles shoot differently even in the same make and caliber, as you probably know. So.....let your 100yard target be your guide. (((:D)))

Now, I have tried RL22 as another reloader likes, but my rifle didn;t like it much (at least not enough to be titled best load). However, RL22 is best through bullet weights in my 25-06 (Ruger #1V). IMR4064 holds pretty high honors in that caliber too. 4064 is a very versitle powder across a broad range of calibers (so is 4895).

USSR
April 24, 2013, 09:00 AM
Brian,

I agree with ArchAngelCD. While none of the powders listed are ideal, I would go with either RL15 (1st choice) or IMR3031. H4831SC is too slow for 168gr bullets, and I don't use RamShot powders.

Don

SlamFire1
April 24, 2013, 10:15 AM
IMR 3031 dates back to the 30's and was a popular powder with target shooters, the 30-06 and 168's. You will not be able to push bullets as fast with IMR 3031 as a slower powder, but the speed will be respectible.

Arkansas Paul
April 24, 2013, 10:27 AM
I have had excellent accuracy results with RL15 and 165 grain bullets in .30-06. I haven't been using it very long, but I'm getting MOA groups.
I haven't chronographed them, but I figure they're plenty fast enough for whitetail at 200 yds and in.
If you want maximum velocity, then yes, get a slower powder. However, I think RL15 will work fine. It's a very versatile powder.

alsaqr
April 24, 2013, 10:51 AM
For decades i've used IMR 3031 in my .30-06 loads with bullets to 150 grains. My 180 grain .30-06 loads use IMR 4320 or IMR 4350.

Mobuck
April 24, 2013, 10:58 AM
I would go with RL15 up to 150-165 grain bullets and 4831SC for 180 and up. The 4831SC will probably end up with compressed loads and maybe less than top velocity but will work good enough for most purposes.
I've loaded a lot with IMR4895(the government's choice) and IMR4064(my choice).

Don McDowell
April 24, 2013, 11:06 AM
Of the powders on your list I'ld go with rl15, then the 4831.

taybri
April 24, 2013, 11:07 AM
Thanks for all the replies. I have been slumming around sporting goods stores looking for some 4895, 4064, or 4350 for a couple months now without any luck. I am beginning to think I may be limited to what I have on hand. I appreciate everyone's knowledge and input.

Don McDowell
April 24, 2013, 11:17 AM
If you have the rl15 on hand it'll serve you well. I don't use it much in the 06 but I do use a lot of it in the 223,308 and 405 Winchester.

eastbank
April 24, 2013, 04:15 PM
its imr 4350 with the 165nosler bt bullet in the 30-06 for me,ive killed over 50 deer with that load since nosler brought out the .30 165gr ballistic tip,i shoot for a double lung shot and not much tracking needed. eastbank.

LeonCarr
April 24, 2013, 04:19 PM
Another vote for H4350 with IMR-4350 a close second for the .30-06 for bullets between 150 and 180 grains.

From the powders you listed, go with RL15.

Powder is available, but you have to look much much harder :).

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

ArchAngelCD
April 25, 2013, 02:55 AM
Another vote for H4350 with IMR-4350 a close second for the .30-06 for bullets between 150 and 180 grains.

From the powders you listed, go with RL15.

Powder is available, but you have to look much much harder :).

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
Yep, H4350 under a 165gr Sierra GameKing or a 165gr Nosler AccuBond...
(and a 168gr Hornady or Sierra match bullet for the range)

IMO the best combinations for 30-06 ammo anywhere...

jmr40
April 25, 2013, 02:40 PM
Buy either H4350 or IMR4350 and don't look back. IMR tends to give slighty more speed. H tends to be more stable over a wider range of temperatures.

Ramshot Hunter is another choice with heavier 180 gr bullets.

returningfire
April 25, 2013, 03:21 PM
Not on your list, but I use IMR4064. I use it for 150gr in 30-06, 308 Winchester, 7.62x54R and 30-30. One size fits all for me.

Lj1941
April 25, 2013, 04:48 PM
RL-15 from your list is what I would go with. Everybody has their favorite combos of components but you gave a list of what you had and it will work for you I am sure.:)

MichigammeDave
April 25, 2013, 05:09 PM
4064 is my first choice for 30-06 and .308, with 3031 as a close second. But I learned from my uncle, who is an old-school loader from way back. There may be newer powders which are better, but I don't really need to change.

MEHavey
April 25, 2013, 05:26 PM
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MEHavey
April 25, 2013, 05:30 PM
For three of the powders listed.....
http://i36.tinypic.com/2m34ck8.jpg

...it's a tossup.

Personally, I'd go with the 4831 for starters.
Full case --106% fill "barely starts" compression
"Some small" residual unburnt -- which I've found correlated with my more accurate hi-Vel loads

....and I've got experience with all three powders at those heavier bullet weights.
http://i34.tinypic.com/x1f77l.jpg


IMR4831 (SC or regular) is one of the best kept secrets of 30-06 shooters for 70 years. ;)
(and it's near idiot proof) :D :D

postscript: The asked about Ranshot Xterminator, not Hunter. That being the case, its IMR4831 all the way. Not even close for the Terminator/RL-15 options

USSR
April 25, 2013, 05:42 PM
IMR4831 (SC or regular) is one of the best kept secrets of 30-06 shooters for 70 years.

MEHavey,

I agree, IMR4831 is a GREAT powder for the .30-06, and would work well with the OP's 168gr Berger. However, the powder he listed was H4831, and IMR4831 and H4831 (SC or otherwise) are not even close in burn rate, unlike the IMR and Hodgdon varieties of 4895 and 4350 powders. IMR4831 is a MUCH faster powder than H4831.

Don

MEHavey
April 25, 2013, 05:56 PM
Rats ..... :mad:


Then again....
http://i38.tinypic.com/izw0lg.jpg

Frpm the lot that Helmut tested, it appears that while slower, it ain't that much slower in effect for similar volumes.
The OP might still give it a shot w/ good expectations. :D

Comrade Mike
April 25, 2013, 06:18 PM
I see for 30-06 people seem to opt for the slower powders out of a bolt gun.

The only 30-06 I load is for the garand and that either calls for 4064 or 4895.

kayaks
April 25, 2013, 06:52 PM
It's not on the list, but I use a lot of 4895. Part of it is performance and partly I like to keep the number of powder types down and 4895 works well in many venues...

USSR
April 25, 2013, 07:55 PM
I see for 30-06 people seem to opt for the slower powders out of a bolt gun.

The only 30-06 I load is for the garand and that either calls for 4064 or 4895.

Yeah, I load for my 3 Garands with IMR4895, but my bolt guns use heavier bullets and therefor slower powders. My .30-06 tactical rifle load consists of a 190SMK at 2900fps. When I developed this load, I tried both H4831SC and RL22. The RL22 load delivered the velocity I was looking for while staying within SAAMI pressure specs, while H4831SC couldn't deliver much more than 2775fps. Going with a substantially lighter bullet with slow burning H4831SC is not going to be pretty. Just MHO.

Don

4895
April 25, 2013, 10:10 PM
I wouldn't hesitate to use imr 3031 for some trials. Even if they don't shoot 1/4" groups, it will get you some trigger time and load experience. Dont forget, the VLD bullets need a special chamfer tool. The standard tool cuts at a 45 degree angle. The VLD requires a vld chamfer tool that cuts at 22.5 degrees. Good luck and welcome to THR.

jaysouth
April 26, 2013, 12:43 AM
its imr 4350 with the 165nosler bt bullet in the 30-06 for me,ive killed over 50 deer with that load since nosler brought out the .30 165gr ballistic tip,i shoot for a double lung shot and not much tracking needed. eastbank.
Eastbank,

That pic must be photoshopped. I keep reading on the internet that pump rifles are not reliable or accurate enough to hunt deer with.;)

TonyT
April 26, 2013, 08:07 AM
I have used both IMR-3031 and H-4831 in 30-06. I prefer IMR-3031 but H-4831 also works well with the heavier bullets.

Flatbush Harry
April 26, 2013, 12:27 PM
I have good supplies of H4831/4831SC and IMR 4064. I've had the best results with IMR 4064 (and with IMR 4895) but I also get good results with Reloder 19 and both IMR and H 4350. I lean to IMR 4064 and 4895 as I also load for my Garands. My preferred load for targets with all .30-06s is 47.0 gr of IMR 4895, 168gr Sierra MatchKing bullet, CCI BR2 primer and W-W brass (once fired). I typically get 8-10 uses from brass...as they age I use them for practice only.

I've obtained my best results for .308 Win with Reloder 15 and VihtVuori N550, for 7mmRM with H4831/4831 SC and for .223 with Varget. I have been very pleased with Sierra bullets followed by Hornady A-MAXs and Nosler Custom Comps for target work and Nosler AccuBond for hunting.

FH

taybri
April 27, 2013, 11:07 PM
I found a few pounds of IMR4350. I think I'll start there. Thanks to all for the lively and helpful replies.

ArchAngelCD
April 28, 2013, 03:14 AM
I found a few pounds of IMR4350. I think I'll start there. Thanks to all for the lively and helpful replies.
I think you are going to like the results you get with 4350. Both velocity and accuracy are good in all the 30-06 rifles I've shot 4350 loads in.

With a 168gr Sierra Match king bullet using a CCI LRP and H4350 I was able to shoot a .314" 3 shot group @100 yards. I shot 3X more groups the same day and all were under .340" so the results was repeatable... (from a Howa 1500) That's a fun day at the range!

Rem700CDLSF3006
April 28, 2013, 07:16 PM
has had some good results with H414

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