RTKBA fight in Illinois today


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C0untZer0
April 24, 2013, 07:25 AM
The fight over RTKBA has been a long, drawn-out protracted struggle and this week we have another battle, this time in the Illinois Senate.

I am re-publishing the ISRA alert here.


URGENT ALERT – YOUR IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED

ILLINOIS SENATE TO TRY TO SNEAK BAD CARRY BILL THROUGH THE BACK DOOR




The ISRA has learned that an anti-gun senator from Chicago has written a horrible “may issue” concealed carry bill that would “carve” Cook County out from the rest of the state. In effect, this bill would allow the Cook County Sheriff and the Chicago Superintendant to deny permit applications filed by Cook County residents. Furthermore, carry permits issued in other counties would be VOID in Cook County. In other words, it would be illegal for you to carry a defensive firearm in the place you need it most – Cook County.

It is important that every firearm owner in the state call their State Senator and express opposition to this bill – it affects every one of us, not just Cook County residents. No matter where you live in the state, as a gun owner you cannot sit idly by and watch millions of good citizens in Cook County have their civil rights trampled. If this bill passes, it won’t be long until the obstacles to concealed carry erected by Cook County will spread to many other counties in the state. You must act now!

As of the writing of this Action Alert, no bill number has been assigned to this bad carry bill. The Senate leadership is playing a shell game with us. There is no telling where it will pop up. Nonetheless, it is very important that you follow the instructions in this alert!

Remember. . .

Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart does not have the right to decide if you are worth defending or not.

Chicago Police Superintendent Gerry McCarthy does not have the right to decide whether you will live or die.

Mayor Rahm Emanuel does not have the right to condemn your family members to rape, robbery and murder.

HERE IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO PREVENT HIJACKING OF CONCEALED CARRY.

1. Call your State Senator Wednesday morning, starting at 8:30 AM, and politely tell the person who answers the phone that you are a law-abiding firearm owner and that you oppose any “may issue” concealed carry bill, regardless of when and where it is filed. Politely tell the person who answers the phone that you will only support a clean, “shall issue” concealed carry bill such as HB0997 or SB1284. Politely tell the person that you stand in solidarity with the law-abiding citizens of Chicago and Cook County who wish only to protect themselves and their families. If you do not know who your State Senator is, the Illinois State Board of Elections has an interactive search page here:

www.elections.state.il.us/DistrictLocator/DistrictOfficialSearchByAddress.aspx

If you know who your State Senator is, you can find their contact info here:
www.ilga.gov/senate/.

2. Pass this alert on to all your gun owning friends and family. Tell them to act immediately.

3. Please post this alert to any and all Internet bulletin boards or blogs to which you belong.

Without your help, we’ll never get a good, “shall issue” concealed carry bill.

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C0untZer0
April 24, 2013, 07:37 AM
Today's proceedings can be followed here:

http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=37068

You can find your Illinois senator here:

http://gis.elections.il.gov/map_viewer_update/default.aspx

or here:

http://www.capwiz.com/nra/state/main/?state=IL&view=myofficials

The general message is:

We do not want a newly crafted carry bill when we already have 2 - Gary Forby's SB 1284, and Brandon Phelp's HB0997

C0untZer0
April 24, 2013, 10:00 AM
Senate convenes in an hour BTW (10:00 a.m. CST)

So if you haven't called yet, you're running out of time.

If you want to watch the actual floor debate you can watch it here:

http://new.livestream.com/blueroomstream

or here:

http://www.ilga.gov/senate/audvid.asp

Ryanxia
April 24, 2013, 11:18 AM
Good luck guys. Keep up the good fight.

armoredman
April 24, 2013, 11:51 AM
Hang in there! This may not meet the criteria of the 7th, either, as it specifically denies an entire segment of the population, discriminated against for the color of their zip code.

Trent
April 25, 2013, 09:54 AM
The Senate bill is worse than New York and California rolled in to one.

Ugly stuff.

Looks like it's going to be DOA, though.

tyeo098
April 25, 2013, 11:32 AM
Keep us posted.

We're rootin' fer ya.

Trent
April 25, 2013, 11:37 AM
Senate appropriations committee is hearing SOMETHING about an amendment to a bill that hasn't been introduced yet. (At least no one can find info on it)

Illinois State Police just testified before the committee that:

"The FOID system is over 40 years old. Concealed carry needs to be stand alone. We need a staff of at least 60 and a fee of $100."

No one really knows what this is about yet, or why the ISP is testifying before the committee on appropriations.

The fee they are mentioning, is 10x current levels.

rodinal220
April 25, 2013, 04:50 PM
ISP and their handlers are just trying to create more political patronage jobs.All they have to do is add something to the FOID card that says CCW:YES and an officer can run it and see if the person is CCW qualified.The Current FOID is $10 bucks for ten years,why do they need $100???

shotgunjoel
April 25, 2013, 07:07 PM
Why do we want to pass Shall Issue legislation? The Court of Appeals said that the state had 6 months to regulate carry, not 6 months to legalize it. It would seem to me that if no legislation is passed we'd have Constitutional carry once the 6 months is up. All we'd have to do to keep it is have one more than 40% of the reps vote no on ANY carry legislation, even shall issue. We've been handed a golden opportunity to go from nothing to everything, why are we trying to get shall issue passed?

armoredman
April 25, 2013, 07:30 PM
Yes, you would have de facto Constitutional Carry, and the mere thought of law abiding citizens legally carrying guns down Rush Street without even government permission slips give Rahm Emmanuel many sleepless nights...I hope. The Chicago Machine will do whatever they can to make sure not one single person is armed in Chicago who isn't a cop, political ally, or a criminal, and sometimes numbers two and three are the same.

vamo
April 25, 2013, 10:02 PM
Why do we want to pass Shall Issue legislation? The Court of Appeals said that the state had 6 months to regulate carry, not 6 months to legalize it. It would seem to me that if no legislation is passed we'd have Constitutional carry once the 6 months is up. All we'd have to do to keep it is have one more than 40% of the reps vote no on ANY carry legislation, even shall issue. We've been handed a golden opportunity to go from nothing to everything, why are we trying to get shall issue passed?

You want to pass an actual law because future courts might not be so friendly to gun rights. With no law it would be much easier to ban carrying in the future, but passing a law now means that banning concealed weapons in the future would actually require legislative action to repeal the old law.

I'm sure I'll get responses "but the court said..." court decisions should be cut and dry following the letter of the law, unfortunately judges are political appointments and that is rarely the case. Get a law on the books and ensure that carrying in Illinois will be legal for years to come.

JohnsXDM
April 25, 2013, 11:32 PM
Why do we want to pass Shall Issue legislation? The Court of Appeals said that the state had 6 months to regulate carry, not 6 months to legalize it. It would seem to me that if no legislation is passed we'd have Constitutional carry once the 6 months is up. All we'd have to do to keep it is have one more than 40% of the reps vote no on ANY carry legislation, even shall issue. We've been handed a golden opportunity to go from nothing to everything, why are we trying to get shall issue passed?
Why??? Ever hear of Home Rule? Any city, village, town that is Home Rule can make their own laws. There are hundreds of Home Rule cities in the state. If they all made their own anti carrying laws, and each one a little different, you would never know if you were legal or not. ONE STATE - ONE LAW

TheSaint
April 26, 2013, 02:59 AM
Agreed. If a bill is drafted before the time runs out, there can be no exceptions for Crook County. I've lived in DuPage county for years and let me tell you, there's no place you need your CCW more than when you go into the heart of the Chi. I worked in some rough neighborhoods like Maywood, Bellwood and so forth. Living in a place like Wheaton or Naperville, the likelihood of needing to defend yourself goes way down. Lets bring freedom back to the whole state, including the Windy City.

Trent
April 26, 2013, 08:08 AM
Why??? Ever hear of Home Rule? Any city, village, town that is Home Rule can make their own laws. There are hundreds of Home Rule cities in the state. If they all made their own anti carrying laws, and each one a little different, you would never know if you were legal or not. ONE STATE - ONE LAW

This. If you think traveling in IL is bad now, imagine what it would be like with a couple hundred jurisdictions all having their own laws on concealed weapons. Sure, they can't make felonies, but they can create a chain of misdemeanors that could each pile up consecutively.

E.g. carry a Glock thru Chicago you might spend 6 years in cook county jail. One for having an unregistered handgun, one for not having the cook county permit, one for not having a Chicago permit, one year for not having 80 hours of training, another year because you were pulled over within one mile of a restricted zone, and another year for having more than three 'bullets' in the gun (cartridges).

Each a class A misdemeanor passed by home rule, punishable by a year in jail. Oh, and a total of $150,000 in fines.

Maybe throw a seventh year on there because you didn't have a one million dollar liability policy.

An eighth because the weapon was classified as an assault pistol.

A ninth year because it was loaded with illegal anti-personnel hollowpoint ammunition that literally disintegrates the organs of any bystanders.

Etc.

No, we most certainly do NOT want this.

JFtheGR8
May 23, 2013, 08:47 AM
The word is that Madigan is trying to get a "shall issue" bill through committee today. I don't have the bill number but read in the Peoria Journal Star that it would have a long list of restricted locations, require 16 hours of training, cost $150 for five years and allow for local police to protest issuance with an appeals process for denials (isn't that may issue?). I just contacted my reps and asked that they stay the course and not compromise with Chicago politicians.


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JFtheGR8
May 23, 2013, 08:56 AM
Here's the link to the online article which is more vague than the one I read on my Android app. I haven't figured out how to link that yet but I mentioned the details in my previous post.

http://www.pjstar.com/free/x83397805/New-Illinois-House-gun-bill-adds-location-restrictions


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Trent
May 23, 2013, 11:57 AM
This new shall issue bill is under discussion here:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=717356

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