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Tinker
April 24, 2013, 02:48 PM
I've owned one of their HP22's for several years. Bought the pot metal junk after shooting one a buddy loaned me. On a whim, basically.

Ran a zillion rounds of ammo through it in that time because it is a fine little plinker. The slide actually broke last time at the range. BTW, did not notice untill I got home and cleaned it.

Called Phoenix, they said send it in. Six weeks later they send me a brand new pistol as replacement. I have only one complaint and that is that they don't make this pistol in steel and all the lawyered up safeties.

I know these little pistols are not going to be heirlooms that you will pass down to your descendants, but you can't beat them for a cheap plinker to keep in the truck.

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MedWheeler
April 24, 2013, 05:36 PM
I agree. They're great pistols for the price. All the safeties are for Canadian import requirements. I have one, too, but haven't shot maybe a couple hundred rounds through it so far.

Your experience with their customer service seems to be the norm, from what other owners have said.

USAF_Vet
April 24, 2013, 05:48 PM
I've looked at them. Thought about getting one myself. Haven't made the leap of faith, although I dont hear much bad about them, aside from the obvious.

I think when I do buy a .22 plinker, it'll be a S&W 22a.

Kiln
April 25, 2013, 04:51 AM
They're alright, I have had to replace mine under warranty but they didn't give me any trouble with it. They were very friendly and willing to help, they sent me a new pistol.

Phoenix Arms makes decent guns with great customer service behind them if you break them. The major downside is that the frames are very frail inside the magazine well and are known to crack after a couple thousand rounds, this is why I had to send mine in.

Tinker
April 25, 2013, 03:30 PM
All the safeties are for Canadian import requirements.

Interesting. Did not know that.

Kiln
April 25, 2013, 03:54 PM
I agree. They're great pistols for the price. All the safeties are for Canadian import requirements. I have one, too, but haven't shot maybe a couple hundred rounds through it so far.
What? No they're not. These guns are made in Ontario California, not Ontario Canada.

The safeties are to help them not get sued out of existance by California's ridiculous anti gun courts.

Robbins290
April 25, 2013, 05:30 PM
I agree! Great guns. Modified my safety for mag release. And made it so my mag free drops. Too bad i wore both on mine out. I guess they can only take a summer of 1,100 rounds a weekend. I decided to use it as parts guns after I could almost take the slide sideways. Planning on getting another one

jrdolall
April 25, 2013, 05:36 PM
I have maybe 2k rounds through mine and it has been great. Extra mags a re expensive so I only have two which makes it necessary to reload often. The gun feels good and shoots good. It is a $200 gun so I have no expectation that I can run 25k rounds through it in a year and have it hold up.

whetrock
April 25, 2013, 11:09 PM
I've had a similar experience with my HP22, I traded an individual a Spyderco Manix 2 folding knife for mine, and initially felt like I came out on bottom, a couple of hundred rounds later I was grinning ear to ear with my new acquisition. It's a pot metal junker at the end of the day, but I can't help but enjoy mine, it eats Remington GBs like there's no tomorrow, and the accuracy was pleasantly surprising, surpassing my expectations by a great deal. I'd love the have the 25 ACP model for reasons unknown, I guess just to say I have a .25 ?

http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg639/whetrock/IMG_0222_zps94267b84.jpg (http://s1247.photobucket.com/user/whetrock/media/IMG_0222_zps94267b84.jpg.html)

MedWheeler
April 25, 2013, 11:14 PM
Kiln writes:

What? No they're not. These guns are made in Ontario California, not Ontario Canada.

The safeties are to help them not get sued out of existance by California's ridiculous anti gun courts.

That may well be true. The "Ontario" name is not what confused me; I did not know they were based in any "Ontario".

What I had previously read was that they are/were also marketed for export to Canada as well as for sale within the US, hence my use of the term "Canadian import (not manufacture) requirements."

That may or may not be true. Canada is even more regulatory regarding handguns than is California. But I did know they are manufactured in the US.

flgolfer29
April 25, 2013, 11:17 PM
I had never heard of Phoenix Arms before reading this thread. The photo posted above by whetrock has peaked me interest..

joe

JVaughn
April 25, 2013, 11:31 PM
I had one in years past, it was always reliable.

whetrock
April 25, 2013, 11:40 PM
They are what they are IMHO. So as long as the warranty stands, I wouldn't hesitate purchasing another, but I don't really need another at this very moment. They can shoot quite well given their super short sight radius. You'd like the accuracy. The company knows for to drum up the business, they're sort of a SNS, but more useable, and reliable. I'm not ashamed of that it's an affordable handgun, politicians hate those. I'm thinking of stashing mine in my Bug out Bag, seeing as I feel it's accurate enough to stand up to the task of taking small game in a pinch, as well as being a last resort SD tool.

larryh1108
April 26, 2013, 12:15 AM
I've had one for many years. Fun, reliable, accurate and really a lot of gun for under $150. I may be sick but I have 10-10 round mags so I have 100 ready to go when I go to the range. I have twice as much in the mags as the gun.

The secret to good functioning and long life is to change the recoil spring every 500-800 rounds, max. The springs are real cheap (quality) and cost around $3 each so it's well worth it. This also helps from battering the frame. I am considering one in the .25ACP just because. They are nice looking guns as well. Get rid of the silly mag safety and you are good to go. Best $125 I ever spent (for the gun). The Rangemaster Deluxe model has an additional 5" barrel. About $169 for the kit.

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o435/larryh1108/CCW/PhoenixHP22ShortNickel.jpg (http://s342.photobucket.com/user/larryh1108/media/CCW/PhoenixHP22ShortNickel.jpg.html)

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o435/larryh1108/CCW/PhoenixHP22LongNickel.jpg (http://s342.photobucket.com/user/larryh1108/media/CCW/PhoenixHP22LongNickel.jpg.html)

Kiln
April 26, 2013, 03:11 AM
Kiln writes:



That may well be true. The "Ontario" name is not what confused me; I did not know they were based in any "Ontario".

What I had previously read was that they are/were also marketed for export to Canada as well as for sale within the US, hence my use of the term "Canadian import (not manufacture) requirements."

That may or may not be true. Canada is even more regulatory regarding handguns than is California. But I did know they are manufactured in the US.
I thought you meant import from Canada. My mistake. What I thought was that you were saying that since it was an import it had to have certain safety features (like the Tokarev imports).

Also, here's mine next to a Raven MP25:

http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab47/Myguns223/My%20guns/HP22aandRaven.jpg (http://s848.photobucket.com/user/Myguns223/media/My%20guns/HP22aandRaven.jpg.html)

tipoc
April 26, 2013, 04:04 AM
I think Phoenix has been around in Calif. since the early 90s.

They have had some good reviews in Gun Tests Magazine and others over the years. A good gun for the money folks say.

tipoc

Kiln
April 26, 2013, 07:31 PM
I think Phoenix has been around in Calif. since the early 90s.

They have had some good reviews in Gun Tests Magazine and others over the years. A good gun for the money folks say.

tipoc
It was designed by the same company that built the Ravens back in the day. They stopped making the Raven but still manufacture the HP22 and HP25.

larryh1108
April 26, 2013, 10:13 PM
Here's a good article from Gun reports I got today.

http://www.gunreports.com/gow/handguns/Phoenix-HP22A-22-LR_4669-1.html?ET=gunreports:e1370:174167a:&st=email

jackblack86
April 26, 2013, 10:37 PM
one of my first guns and first 22 pistol. countless rounds very seldom a problem great gun for the money

raubvogel
May 8, 2013, 09:19 AM
A friend of mine has one. Only thing he does not like is tearing it apart to clean it. Otherwise, it seems to be a rather nice pocket gun.

Ken70
May 8, 2013, 06:31 PM
They're still around??? I thought the "Ring of Fire" gun makers died a long time ago. You know, Phoenix, Raven, Davis, Lorcin, Hi-Point, Ruger. Drove the Libs in **** nuts. Cheap guns the average low income person could buy.

raubvogel
May 8, 2013, 07:05 PM
I would expect so since their firearms are being sold new at some websites.

About the "Ring of Fire" gun makers, I do know Hi Point is still out there even though some cities/states want to sue them because criminals use their guns to commit crimes. Talk about post doc ergo propter doc. :scrutiny:

Eliminating cheap guns the average low income person could buy is a time-honored tradition. I mean, weren't laws in the South that taxed guns so blacks in general and poor whites would not be able to afford them?

JohnnyRotten
May 8, 2013, 08:29 PM
I have a HP22A-replacement that I love so much that I am sending it in for a new one...yep the frame cracked again. But truely I do love it, lots of fun to shoot despite all its pain in the a$$ safties. I hope it comes back as quick as it did last time. You cant't beat thier warranty!

larryh1108
May 8, 2013, 09:30 PM
Well, truth-be-told, it's not the frame that cracks but the mag well. It is cosmetic and it's been that way for as long as i can remember but they'll replace it free so why not get a new one every few years? It must be cheaper to replace it than to retool it and use different metal to prevent it.

Tinker
May 9, 2013, 12:42 AM
Ken 70,
Phoenix is alive/well and cranking out affordable pistols in the People's Republic of California. Supporting them gives you twofold goodness...you gets an accurate little gun and sharpen a big burr under the saddle of the antis. :)

Plus, these are "Made in USA".

welshdude
May 10, 2013, 02:11 AM
It would be nice if they came out w/a .32 acp version. Did have an opportunity to try out a .25 at a LGS. Was really impressed...then I picked up a Beretta Tomcat. Love instantaneously. Quality was no comparison. Great gun for the money. I'll stick w/my Intratec Protec .25 until money opens up for a P3AT or LCP. Then I'll go for a PA .25. Just to have one as their service dept is excellent.

BTW some joker on Gunbroker has an IT PT .25 for 375.00 as an opening bid and buy it now. :eek: It's in good shape w/an extra mag and original box and papers, but mine's got the same stuff and I've got 145.00 in it out the door. There's wearing on the blueing, but it functions flawlessly. I don't get it?

Kiln
May 10, 2013, 02:43 AM
Well, truth-be-told, it's not the frame that cracks but the mag well. It is cosmetic and it's been that way for as long as i can remember but they'll replace it free so why not get a new one every few years? It must be cheaper to replace it than to retool it and use different metal to prevent it.
Yeah they know it is an issue but their guns don't bring in too much money (compared to larger companies who sell guns for 6x the price) so replacing the tooling may not be cost effective for them.

I just think that if the frame was just a bit thicker then the frequency of this problem would be greatly reduced.

Regardless, Phoenix Arms is easy to deal with and willing to fix any problems you have. They're a good company in my book.

raubvogel
May 10, 2013, 10:20 AM
gunbroker IMHO is like ebay: if you are not careful you will be paying way more for something you can buy online/locally. But, also like ebay, people do get into bidding frenzy.

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