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Potatohead
April 24, 2013, 07:10 PM
Went to walmart and Dicks at 5:30 pm and wmart still had 7.62x39 and 357 left. Dicks had .22 and 223s (expensive at dicks)

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CDW4ME
April 24, 2013, 08:56 PM
"Gettin better" ? :confused:

http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/9mm/

bri
April 24, 2013, 09:37 PM
"Gettin better" ? :confused:

http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/9mm/
Yes, getting better. I share the same opinion and my opinion is also based on boxes sitting on real-life shelves. Gunbot is a joke.

Queen_of_Thunder
April 24, 2013, 09:43 PM
One delivery does not end a crises.

avs11054
April 25, 2013, 12:07 AM
I have to disagree (granted, it is based on personal experience). Walmart shelves have been getting emptier. It used to be that they had several rifle calibers still in stock. Now when I go, the shelves are bare except for shotgun ammo. And .22 LR prices seem to have increased on gunbroker over the past month. I was able to find it for $.10/rd about a month ago. Now it seems to be higher than that.

MagnunJoe
April 25, 2013, 12:11 AM
Not! No ammo in southern Florida. No ammo in Internet neither.

X-JaVeN-X
April 25, 2013, 12:14 AM
yea...seems to be getting worse here. The only place in town to really buy any ammo is a local Walmart...a month ago I could go in at 7:00am (when they put out their stock every morning) and there might be 4 or 5 of us standing around to see what they got. The last couple times I've been there are like 14-15 guys standing around...we all kind of gotten to know each other at this point lol. Usually somebody brings in Krispy Kreme doughnuts and we all stand around shooting the breeze...it's kind of ridiculous. Not to mention, it seems there are more and more days where no ammo shows up...or it's a random box of shotgun ammo.

rookorami
April 25, 2013, 12:16 AM
Prices are up around here but I can still find ammo for all I need. Granted most of it is priced so high I am not really in a buying mood. I havent been shooting in a bit because it costs so much to resupply and I like having ammo on hand.

tomg303
April 25, 2013, 01:34 AM
I saw .223 for the first time in a couple months today. A friend who works at sportsman's warehouse said he thinks its starting to level out a little bit. Idaho.

silicosys4
April 25, 2013, 02:27 AM
One delivery does not end a crises.

Well, it ended someones crisis, just not yours

And when did it go from a consumer driven buying bubble to an outright crisis? Weren't you just buying ammo last week for reasonable prices? a crisis to me is when NOBODY can get ANY amount of ammo at ANY price.

Queen_of_Thunder
April 25, 2013, 08:29 AM
Well, it ended someones crisis, just not yours

And when did it go from a consumer driven buying bubble to an outright crisis? Weren't you just buying ammo last week for reasonable prices? a crisis to me is when NOBODY can get ANY amount of ammo at ANY price.
Reasonable is a fluid term and totally dependent on ones prespective and yes I wss buying ammo at what I felt were reasonable as late as this past Monday.


Its a crises when I have to arrive 2 hours before the store opens in hopes that I will be able to have first pick at what little ammo does show up. Just like this past Monday when after arriving at 6am I find myself third in line which meant I had the option to buy a 1600 round can of CCI mini mags as they recieved 3 that Monday.

Its a crises when the only ammo available is Tula 7.62x39 and Monarch 9mm.

Its a crises when you don't see 40s&w,38special,45acp,357mag and other calibers at all.

Its a crises when you can only shoot 2 out of the 24 matches you normally would have shot since the first of the year and of those 2 matches you quit halfway through to conserve your ammo.

Its a crises when you start thinking about giving up shooting all together.

I can't get the ammo I need for practice. I can't get the ammo I need for matches. So yea its a crises from my perspective.


BTW explain how the manufactures who claim to be running at full capacity yet the distributors claim they have no ammo. So where is the ammo going? Who is doing it? Five months in and people still have access to cases ammo to sell on auction sites while the rest of us are scrambling for a few boxes of ammo. How? Every dealer I know of limits ammo purchases to a few boxes. There is another straw in the drink.

Certaindeaf
April 25, 2013, 08:40 AM
I do and have done everything in my power to not stand in any sort of line my whole life. If you choose to do so, you're doing it wrong.

BrotherFrankie
April 25, 2013, 08:54 AM
since all this started i really havent bothered to even try to get ammo.. (i just stopped shooting)

this morning i received an email from luckygunner and figured, well lets look..

cheepest was 9mm 800 rounds for $600.. most were over a buck a round and no 38 spec, 45, and the rest.... sheesh.. its gotten worse i think.. their stock consisted of a few random bulk types offers..

Batty67
April 25, 2013, 09:42 AM
If you check Gunbot many times a day, you can find "cheap" ammo (well, maybe 10-20% pre-Newtown prices), even for 9mm. No 22LR just yet, but, for example, 9mm comes up for sale a few times each day. Usually sold out within minutes, but it used to not even show up. So, I think things are getting a little better.

Potatohead
April 25, 2013, 10:05 AM
both walmarts i go to and my local gun shop are telling me its getting much better. my LGS has 223 for 45.99 100rd valu paks..not great but ive seen alot worse. im just glad to see a 100 rd box in a way..also, ive been scoring at walmart probably the last 4 of 5 times ive went...my area is looking better

Potatohead
April 25, 2013, 10:10 AM
good for you certaindeaf, more for me...though i really havent seen much more than 10 or 12 people in lines ive been in...FYI, if their is a walmart in your area that doesnt sell firearms, check it out because these seem to have more ammo for some reason, i guess people dont think to ck them as much since they dont actually sell the actual firearms. I dont know if all areas have one of those but we do, its a pretty old walmart, was their way before the supercenter craze.

Certaindeaf
April 25, 2013, 10:28 AM
good for you certaindeaf, more for me...
There are always lines here and there at times. I just prefer to not stand in them like a duck if at all possible. Where there's a will, there's a way.. and knock yourself out.

Queen_of_Thunder
April 25, 2013, 11:16 AM
My local Academy will have as many as 8 lanes open to handle the morming rush. Lines with as many as 45 people in them is common. An equal number comes drivivg up on Fridays beteeen 0800 - 0805. Even at a one box limit per caliber with a max of 3 calibers most go home empty handed. If you are not one of the first 10 in line your chance at buying ammo is slim to none unless they get a larger than usual delivery.

Certaindeaf
April 25, 2013, 11:22 AM
If it were food there'd have been a lot of starved people a long time ago. that's a hint to buy a sack of beans now

silicosys4
April 25, 2013, 12:45 PM
Reasonable is a fluid term and totally dependent on ones prespective and yes I wss buying ammo at what I felt were reasonable as late as this past Monday.


Its a crises when I have to arrive 2 hours before the store opens in hopes that I will be able to have first pick at what little ammo does show up. Just like this past Monday when after arriving at 6am I find myself third in line which meant I had the option to buy a 1600 round can of CCI mini mags as they recieved 3 that Monday.

Its a crises when the only ammo available is Tula 7.62x39 and Monarch 9mm.

Its a crises when you don't see 40s&w,38special,45acp,357mag and other calibers at all.

Its a crises when you can only shoot 2 out of the 24 matches you normally would have shot since the first of the year and of those 2 matches you quit halfway through to conserve your ammo.

Its a crises when you start thinking about giving up shooting all together.

I can't get the ammo I need for practice. I can't get the ammo I need for matches. So yea its a crises from my perspective.


BTW explain how the manufactures who claim to be running at full capacity yet the distributors claim they have no ammo. So where is the ammo going? Who is doing it? Five months in and people still have access to cases ammo to sell on auction sites while the rest of us are scrambling for a few boxes of ammo. How? Every dealer I know of limits ammo purchases to a few boxes. There is another straw in the drink.

I would put money down that if you gave up shooting for a month or two, it will be a different story when you get back into it.
as far as where the ammo is going,
See your OWN post, #18. You answered your own question. There is no other "straw in the drink". "8 lanes of people stacked 45 deep" EVERY DAY to buy ammo. It is an irrational, panic induced demand bubble. The only reason you feel it is a crisis imo is because you did not prepare, and are placing a very high value on being able to shoot as if there were no surge in demand. If you absolutely HAVE to shoot at the same levels that you did pre panic and are CONSUMED with finding enough ammo enough at something resembling last years prices, it is probably a stressful time right now for you and I am sorry your lifestyle is so hindered.

This is 100.1% a consumer driven phenomenon, whereupon private consumers are buying ammo at a much greater rate than 6 months ago for reasons that have turned out thankfully, to be unfounded, while supply has stayed constant in anticipation of a collapse of that heightened consumer demand....and it will collapse. Sooner than later. It is already showing signs of collapsing.

again, ive said it to you before, if you put the same effort and capitol into getting set up to reload, you would be a lot happier right now. components and equipment actually isnt that hard to find right now.

jeff-10
April 25, 2013, 01:00 PM
Just picked up a 200 round value pack of UMC .223 on SG Ammo. I went over to Gunbroker to see what the flippers would be selling .223 for and there are 43 pages of overpriced .223 ammo! :eek:

Once the idiot flippers are caught with a bunch of ammo, I imagine things will return to a semblance of normality. Now if you weren't one who stocked up before, you may want to really consider this time.

ngnrd
April 25, 2013, 01:32 PM
Reasonable is a fluid term and totally dependent on ones prespective ...

BTW explain how the manufactures who claim to be running at full capacity yet the distributors claim they have no ammo. So where is the ammo going? Who is doing it?

My local Academy will have as many as 8 lanes open to handle the morming rush. Lines with as many as 45 people in them is common. An equal number comes drivivg up on Fridays beteeen 0800 - 0805. Even at a one box limit per caliber with a max of 3 calibers most go home empty handed. If you are not one of the first 10 in line your chance at buying ammo is slim to none unless they get a larger than usual delivery.

I think it would be reasonable to conclude that the folks referenced in your second quote are the ones responsible for the situation referenced in your first quote. Maybe you need to re-examine your perspective.

pty101
April 25, 2013, 01:39 PM
Around here its been getting better. No 9mm, but all other calibers are in stock. Not cheap, but at reasonable prices considering whats been going on

trapper1
April 25, 2013, 01:45 PM
I've seen that Meijer's is starting to get some in now, that's not being scooped right off the shelves. I bought 4 boxes of Winchester, 100 ct .40 SW for $34 a box last weekend. WM had Tula in .223 for $5.26 a box...they had at least a hundred boxes.
It's by far nowhere near back to normal, but I think it's headed in the right direction. I noticed recently on GB, that the .22 brick bids are starting to slide down. Maybe that's a good indication?

woof
April 25, 2013, 01:59 PM
Has this been entirely a result of demand? In other words, did the rate ammo was coming from the manufacturers decline?

ngnrd
April 25, 2013, 02:02 PM
Ammo production has increased, but it still can't keep up with this artificially induced demand.

Oklacoyotekiller
April 25, 2013, 02:13 PM
I thought it was getting better around here, but still havent seen 22lr or 17hmr in mths. Whats really odd, ive seen 223 regularly, but no 22-250 since last nov.

BradN
April 25, 2013, 02:40 PM
I wandered into the local WM about 9:30 a.m. .223 (Tula) on the shelves; 22LR for sale at the counter. Things are getting better.

Coyote3855
April 25, 2013, 02:52 PM
Sports Authority today had .380 (lots), 7 mm Mag, lots of shotgun shells and that was it. I haven't seen .22 LR on the shelf for four months.

SilentScream
April 25, 2013, 04:51 PM
The local Dick's here in Columbus Ga. Has had 5.56 all week, plenty of 12ga which kind disappeared around here for awhile. No .22LR, .308. The LGS has pretty much all the calibers you want however the price is a problem. It seems to be loosening up some though. Are we at the end of it? Doubt it I think it's gonna fluctuate for at lease another 6 months if not more.

Potatohead
April 25, 2013, 05:38 PM
sili, you are speaking the truth

Potatohead
April 25, 2013, 05:41 PM
silent, i agree...i think it will be hit or miss for awhile and then boom

BeerSleeper
April 25, 2013, 08:44 PM
I was at a walmart the other day, for other things. I got three boxes (50 rnd) of 22. It had been on the shelf almost the entire day.

Two more lucky stops like that, and I can take the kids shooting...

bri
April 25, 2013, 08:57 PM
...again, ive said it to you before, if you put the same effort and capitol into getting set up to reload, you would be a lot happier right now. components and equipment actually isnt that hard to find right now.

Nonsense. You can't flip reloads for a 300% markup.

Ignition Override
April 25, 2013, 09:02 PM
It's mostly a function of how many potential buyers can be patient.

This is a good time to shoot ammo which requires hearing protectors, i.e. 7.62x39, 8mm Mauser, mostly because several weeks from now a .22 rifle won't require them.
Such typically hot/humid weather down south in June could reduce some of the demand for actually Using ammo, could it not?

Certaindeaf
April 25, 2013, 09:05 PM
Nonsense. You can't flip reloads for a 300% markup.Universal statements/posits are nonsense. I'm sure on certain situations one could charge a quadrillion markup on a three cent reload.

bri
April 25, 2013, 09:59 PM
Universal statements/posits are nonsense. I'm sure on certain situations one could charge a quadrillion markup on a three cent reload.
Quadrillion? At least my nonsense made sense. ;)

Certaindeaf
April 25, 2013, 10:04 PM
Quadrillion? At least my nonsense made sense. ;)
Yes, anything is possible.. ask any physicist/mathematician.

UKWildcatFan
April 25, 2013, 10:20 PM
Ammo is fine here. No problems. Well, at my house. See, I reload.

frankenstein406
April 25, 2013, 10:23 PM
it seems to get slightly better then every friday its bare again.

Queen_of_Thunder
April 25, 2013, 11:26 PM
Ammo is fine here. No problems. Well, at my house. See, I reload.
Yea went to montana gold today and not a single bullet in stock. Yep things re getting better if you te in the anti camp.

MagnunJoe
April 26, 2013, 12:10 AM
Once again, we don't care if U reload! most people I know just want to able 2 buy a couple of thousands rounds per year and enjoy some occasional shooting. That's it, most people don't reload, and will never reload because we don't shoot every week. So please don't try to make us feel like we r missing out on something.

demerp
April 26, 2013, 12:23 AM
If it were food there'd have been a lot of starved people a long time ago. that's a hint to buy a sack of beans now
i like this quote. am going to keep it in mind for the future (aka next crisis). it's a good thing to keep in mind.

reporting from my experience in south FL, my local Walmart has pretty bare shelves. small LGS down the road was selling Tula 7.62x39 for $.80/round, & CCI .22LR in boxes (was it 50 or 100? can't remember) for $.25/round.

Oklacoyotekiller
April 26, 2013, 02:07 PM
JMO. I think a lot of the ammo on gunbroker, 22lr in paticular is from gun shops that arent putting it on the shelf. More money to be made on gunbroker. Their ammo. Guess they can do as they please.

Queen_of_Thunder
April 26, 2013, 02:26 PM
Ammo supply is so great that my local Academy Sports stores got no ammo. None! Nada! Zilch!

ngnrd
April 26, 2013, 03:44 PM
Supply is fine. Demand is unquestionably excessive. If you, and others like you, would quit standing in line waiting to buy up all the ammo as it rolls off the truck, the retailers could actually stock the shelves with it. Then, when people start seeing stocked shelves again, they won't be as inclined to make fear based purchasing decisions.

RP88
April 26, 2013, 04:02 PM
the ammo panic is over but the inflation rate will last for 3-4 months.

Sniper66
April 26, 2013, 04:14 PM
I can find no evidence of the local ammo supply improving. In the KC area, both Cabela's and BassPro cannot keep 22 rim on the shelves. The reloading section is cleaned out as well, especially if you reload .223. I use Benchmark powder, Remington primers and Sierra bullets. Can't find any of these components.

Potatohead
April 26, 2013, 06:12 PM
Sorry Ngnrd i guess its all my fault. At least ive got ammo tho

Potatohead
April 26, 2013, 06:19 PM
I didnt know your rules

ngnrd
April 26, 2013, 06:25 PM
I'm not trying to demean anybody colonel. My point is that there isn't a "lack of supply", there's a huge (artificial) spike in demand. By all accounts, the manufacturers are at full capacity, cranking out ammo faster than they ever have. So, if this isn't a supply side "shortage" (like it would be if the world suddenly ran out of raw lead), it must be the consumers driving it. And if people would just pause for a bit, the market would start heading back to some kind of equilibrium. But, posting how bad it is every couple of days only feeds the panic and generates a self-fulfilling prophecy.

CDW4ME
April 26, 2013, 07:37 PM
Yes, getting better. I share the same opinion and my opinion is also based on boxes sitting on real-life shelves. Gunbot is a joke.

I put a link to Gunbot since it is something everyone can access.

The "real-life" shelves at any of 3 Wal-Mart(s) within 30-35 minutes of my house are continually barren of handgun ammo.

Shanghai McCoy
April 26, 2013, 08:03 PM
Yep, no 22 or pistol ammo from Topeka to "The People's Republik of Lawrence" here in Kansass...

Potatohead
April 26, 2013, 08:05 PM
m not trying to demean anybody colonel

no, i know your right...im a new shooter, and just dont have much ammo but i actually just feel compulsed for some reason to snap up any ammo i can find...its almost like just for the hunt ya know? if it was easy to find, i almost feel that i wouldnt even be interested...i and many others have really fallen victim to a "herd" mentality on this....ive never known a "normal" market, dont even know what it feels like myself

ngnrd
April 26, 2013, 08:31 PM
I feel for those folks that have just started shooting. Walking headlong into this "panic", with no other point of reference has got to be unnerving.

I've been shooting since the early 80's, and I've seen the market ebb and flow through the years, including a couple of pretty serious panics. Just be patient. This, too, will pass.

Oklacoyotekiller
April 27, 2013, 10:36 AM
There can be a supply side shortage even with manuf. at full capacity. If product doesnt make it from dist. to dealers, or dealers to shelves, then you have an artificially maintained shortage.

Potatohead
April 27, 2013, 11:42 AM
My LGS has cases of 223 and ak rounds tulammo. Also selling 500 rd blocks. Not bad price either. Also moved limits per caliber to 5 boxes ( u can get 5 and 5 ball and self defense)

Potatohead
April 27, 2013, 01:12 PM
Yea right at the beginning i thought all these prices were normal and i thought wow this is going to be a more expensive hobby than i thought. The good thing is, any price drop whatsoever, im gonna be feelin pretty good about

Tcruse
April 27, 2013, 01:35 PM
I agree that e demand is way up. However, in these parts the supply of imported ammo is virtually gone. In normal times imported ammo is about 2x domestic ammo. I have seen a small amount of Tula 223 but none is handgun calibers. No s&b, brown bear, mfs2000, ...

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