Need opinions....Carry pistol


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redneck2
April 24, 2013, 10:32 PM
I've gone into a number of local shops. Every time my head starts to hurt looking at all the choices. Need help.

My person criteria...caliber in preferred order (1) .357 Sig, (2) 10 mm (3) 40 S&W, (4) 45 acp. Stopping power is obviously very high on the list.

Capacity is irrelevant. I'm not gonna get into a long extended shoot out. Paper plate at seven feet is good enough accuracy. In that vein, it doesn't need to have 17 round capacity. Six is plenty.

Gotta be thin and light. No matter what it is, it's still too big and too heavy. Minimize size and weight. Also, I strongly prefer manual safety. I've been using one for over fifty years. I can handle flipping a safety switch, though I guess it's not an absolute necessity if it has a decocker.

Quality. Price is far less an issue than quality. Looking at Sigs, H&K, Walther, etc. I have a G20 for a house gun. The Glocks I have held are fat, bulky and don't have a safety. If G29's had a safety, I might consider one but there's gotta be something smaller.

Input appreciated. TIA

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Hit_Factor
April 24, 2013, 10:42 PM
Your glock and all others glocks have 3 safeties.

They don't need a safety like a double action Sig does.

Look into the design of the guns, it will help you understand why certain types of safeties are on a handgun.

It usually has to do with stored kinetic energy in a spring and to potential cocking or cocked position of the hammer or striker.

Inebriated
April 25, 2013, 02:23 AM
Get a G33 Gen 4.

.357 SIG, 26oz loaded, small enough to conceal in only a shirt, 10 rounds of 357 SIG, and its plenty safe.

If you're dead-set on something with a manual safety, then an M&P357c with thumb safety.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_766228_-1_757956_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

JTQ
April 25, 2013, 09:28 AM
Hit_Factor wrote,
Your glock and all others glocks have 3 safeties.

They don't need a safety like a double action Sig does.

What?

Why does a double action SIG need a safety more than a Glock.

For those of you now searching through your SIG catalog's, double action SIG's don't have a manual safety either.

Hit_Factor
April 25, 2013, 10:08 AM
I was thinking of the decocker. You got me.

JERRY
April 25, 2013, 10:16 AM
Kahr P45 or PM45.

Springfield XDs 45.

anything else is substantially bigger.

bannockburn
April 25, 2013, 11:48 AM
1) Springfield Armory XDs .45ACP.
2) Kahr P45.
3) Kahr P40.

breakingcontact
April 25, 2013, 12:43 PM
This is a tough one.

You want very small, thin, light and a major caliber...

I'll recommend a XDS if I have to pick something. (It has the backstrap safety. I too like thumb safeties, but would feel fine with a backstrap safety only.)

The safety issue is your personal preference, don't let anyone talk you into something you aren't comfortable with. You're not more macho for carrying a gun without a manual safety.

DSessom
April 25, 2013, 12:49 PM
Taurus PT145 would fit that bill too. Or a Taurus 24/7 Pro CDS, which is basically the same gun.

Pilot
April 25, 2013, 12:52 PM
How small do you want to go? I carry a CZ-75D PCR. It is the lightweight, alloy, compact version off the 75.

Look at the XD series, and for even more compactness, the Walther PPS, Sig P938.

Dlowe167
April 25, 2013, 01:50 PM
I have a CZ P-06 in .40,its alloy. But wait on a Ruger SR45c,they dont make the compact (c) yet.Its .45cal.But id recommend the Springfield Armory XDs

RCL
April 25, 2013, 02:21 PM
I don't know if you will find a more compact pistol in a major caliber than a S&W Shield in .40 S&W.

redneck2
April 25, 2013, 02:50 PM
I looked at a Shield today. That's exactly what I was looking for. Guy at the LGS was quite knowledgable. He highly recommended it. 40 cal, super light and nominal recoil for the caliber. Quite a bit thinner than a Glock, etc.

WC145
April 25, 2013, 03:01 PM
Fusion could probably to make you an alloy frame CCO size 10mm 1911, as long as you're willing to pay that kind of money.

breakingcontact
April 25, 2013, 03:09 PM
I don't know if you will find a more compact pistol in a major caliber than a S&W Shield in .40 S&W.

Agreed, I glanced right past the 40 S&W preference, otherwise, I would have recommended the Shield as well.

Shield is an excellent concealed carry gun. It shoots like a much larger gun but carries easily.

Tinker
April 25, 2013, 03:25 PM
Of those I've handled I'd suggest the Shield (you already looked at) or that skinny little Ruger LC9.

Owlnmole
April 25, 2013, 03:51 PM
One of the compact Kahr (http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Pistols.asp) pistols in .40 or .45 would work--and the Kahr P40 and PM40 are both available with a manual safety and loaded chamber indicator with or without night sights in special Massachusetts-legal models.

Lantern
April 25, 2013, 04:44 PM
Sounds like an M&P shield in 40 or an XDS in 45 is what you are looking for.


In 1911 the sw1911sc is sweet. The kimber carry models and the lightweight colts come in around 25oz i believe.

Good choices all.

Plan2Live
April 25, 2013, 07:17 PM
Walther PPS

needmorecowbell
April 25, 2013, 10:33 PM
I'd go Kahr CW45 or Springfield XDS in 45.

travisd
April 25, 2013, 10:49 PM
I just bought an XDs and have to say im really happy with it so far. Small and light yet packs a punch

tomrkba
April 25, 2013, 11:02 PM
Take a look at the Springfield Armory EMP in either 9x19mm or 40 S&W.

jfrey
April 25, 2013, 11:07 PM
Another vote for the S&W Shield. Mine is 9mm and I really like it. I swap off between it and my Gen 4 G19.

guyfromohio
April 25, 2013, 11:12 PM
Sig 239 in .40/.357 Sig is s fine gun and carries well. Decocker, no safety though.

Schwarf
April 25, 2013, 11:43 PM
Sig 239 in .40/.357 Sig is s fine gun and carries well. Decocker, no safety though.
Sig 239 is what I thought of, as well.

klw1911
April 26, 2013, 12:52 AM
I carry a Kahr pm 45 it is light thin small and very dependable, have been carrying it for about 5 years BUT the other day i traded for an XDs,i sold it but i really liked it,never did shoot it.If i didn't have the Kahr i would have kept it,i especially like the grip safety It was almost the same size as the pm 45 but about 1/2 inch longer.The more i think about it i may start looking for one in the bi-tone.If i was looking for a small carry gun in .45 acp it would be on the top of the list.

redneck2
April 27, 2013, 09:21 AM
Found a Shield .40 cal at the LGS. Thanks

ku4hx
April 27, 2013, 02:50 PM
Ruger: SR9, SR9c; SR40; SR40c

redneck2
September 24, 2013, 07:35 PM
An update...I thought I had a M&P Shield from one of the stores. Didn't work out. So with the suggestions of some of the members here, I put my name on the waiting list at several shops. Last week I got a call that one had gotten thirty Shields in. I got my .40 ca Shield .

To say it's awesome would be an understatement. For such a small pistol in .40 the recoil is quite mild. It's got some kind of double recoil spring that takes out the snap. It's thin enough to easily carry IWB.

Best thing is the accuracy. My S-I-L is an OK pistol shot. He shot the first three out of the pipe at golf balls maybe twenty feet away. Three hits. The safety makes re-holstering a much more comforting experience for me.

Thanks for the advice.

FWIW...if you're in NW Indiana, Blythe's in Valparaiso has about 10 in 9mm and maybe 5 left in .40

tomrkba
September 24, 2013, 07:58 PM
I've gone into a number of local shops. Every time my head starts to hurt looking at all the choices. Need help.

My person criteria...caliber in preferred order (1) .357 Sig, (2) 10 mm (3) 40 S&W, (4) 45 acp. Stopping power is obviously very high on the list.

Capacity is irrelevant. I'm not gonna get into a long extended shoot out. Paper plate at seven feet is good enough accuracy. In that vein, it doesn't need to have 17 round capacity. Six is plenty.

Gotta be thin and light. No matter what it is, it's still too big and too heavy. Minimize size and weight. Also, I strongly prefer manual safety. I've been using one for over fifty years. I can handle flipping a safety switch, though I guess it's not an absolute necessity if it has a decocker.

Quality. Price is far less an issue than quality. Looking at Sigs, H&K, Walther, etc. I have a G20 for a house gun. The Glocks I have held are fat, bulky and don't have a safety. If G29's had a safety, I might consider one but there's gotta be something smaller.

What is your body type? Where and how do you plan upon carrying it? What belt and holster do plan upon using? Does your wardrobe support larger guns? Do you need to pocket carry?

I generally find that four guns cover all situations.

1) Very small such as a Keltec P32, Beretta Nano, SIG P238, etc

2) Small such as the Springfield XDS, SIG P230 or Walther PPQ

3) Compact such as the Kahr PM45, Glock 26

4) Mid size such as Glock 19, SIG P229, S&W K-Frame

You already have a full size gun in a great caliber.

What about going with a Springfield XDS in 45 ACP once they complete the recall? You could also try one of the S&W M&P compacts.

powder
September 24, 2013, 08:18 PM
Get a G33 Gen 4.

.357 SIG, 26oz loaded, small enough to conceal in only a shirt, 10 rounds of 357 SIG, and its plenty safe.

bingo!

Hunter991
September 24, 2013, 08:20 PM
Xds45 hands down

TacticsWithPractice
September 25, 2013, 01:13 AM
I've gone into a number of local shops. Every time my head starts to hurt looking at all the choices. Need help.

My person criteria...caliber in preferred order (1) .357 Sig, (2) 10 mm (3) 40 S&W, (4) 45 acp. Stopping power is obviously very high on the list.

Capacity is irrelevant. I'm not gonna get into a long extended shoot out. Paper plate at seven feet is good enough accuracy. In that vein, it doesn't need to have 17 round capacity. Six is plenty.

Gotta be thin and light. No matter what it is, it's still too big and too heavy. Minimize size and weight. Also, I strongly prefer manual safety. I've been using one for over fifty years. I can handle flipping a safety switch, though I guess it's not an absolute necessity if it has a decocker.

Quality. Price is far less an issue than quality. Looking at Sigs, H&K, Walther, etc. I have a G20 for a house gun. The Glocks I have held are fat, bulky and don't have a safety. If G29's had a safety, I might consider one but there's gotta be something smaller.

Input appreciated. TIA
You need a kimber compact 1911. Fits your requirements to a tee.

They have an incredibly diverse selection of compact and subcompact pistols in various comgifurations.

And its a .45. Forget your other suggestions. Hype, limited supply compared to 45. Expensive, and negligable magazine capacity increase in a single stack, which i assume youll end up choosing considering your given prefrences in your first post.

That 45 slug wont shrink.

el Godfather
September 25, 2013, 01:17 AM
H&K USP Compact
In .40 or .45 should do the trick for you. Your call on just capacity and power here- the platform is without compromise on reliability and safety.

redneck2
September 25, 2013, 08:16 AM
What I posted was an update from earlier in the year. Might want to read my post #29...An update...with the suggestions of the members here, I put my name on the waiting list at several shops. Last week I got a call that one had gotten thirty Shields in. I got my .40 cal.
thanks for the input

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