What state has the highest percentage of adults with carry permits?


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vito
April 25, 2013, 08:31 PM
I know that the main stream media is usually loathe to report cases where a gun stops a crime, or prevents it from even starting, but it is still a surprise to me how rarely one hears about an armed citizen intervening into a criminal situation to save the day. Part of it, I assume, is that even armed individuals tend to not want to get involved if the threat is not directly aimed at them or someone close to them, but I tend to think the main answer is just that so few people, even with permits, actually go out into the public carrying a concealed firearm. This made me wonder what state or states have the highest percentage of their adult population possessing a carry permit, and the assumption that the percentage of permit holders who actually carry probably doesn't vary that much state to state. Do those states with relatively high percentages have more reported cases of licensed carriers stopping a crime? Or are the numbers just too small, even in the states with high percentages, to make it likely that an armed citizen will be in the vicinity when a crime initiates?

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oldways
April 25, 2013, 08:36 PM
Probably Florida with over one million active license.

mljdeckard
April 25, 2013, 08:38 PM
But how many of those are non-resident licenses?

oldways
April 25, 2013, 08:46 PM
About 128,000

7irontim
April 25, 2013, 09:11 PM
Vito, in our cpl class we were cautioned against about getting involved someones business other than our own. We were told that if it doesn't affect us or someone in our care, call the police but don't intervene with arms.

The case they used was a retired policeman exited a mall, a man in street clothes was beating up a uniformed police officer. The retired cop drew his revolver and fired killing the non-uniformed person. Hooray! saved a cop. Wrong the non-uniformed person was an undercover cop making an arrest. The uniformed cop was a dirty cop under investigation. this happened outside of Chicago several years ago, the retired cop will probably spend the rest of his life in prison. Point to be made here is mind your business, if you, personally are not threatened walk away and call the authorities....my.02

TCB in TN
April 25, 2013, 09:22 PM
Here local we run 1 out of every 10 residents has a carry permit. Not sure about state wide.

mljdeckard
April 25, 2013, 09:51 PM
Utah shows:

442,412 Total Valid Permits as of March 31, 2013
32,439 Permits Issued 1st Quarter
6,819 Permits Renewed 1st Quarter
104 Permits Revoked 1st Quarter
177 Permits Suspended 1st Quarter
254 Applications Denied 1st Quarter

We have a current population of 2,817,222, giving us a carry permit ratio of .157. I can't find any information on how many of those permits are for non-residents.

Florida shows 19,317,568 as the current population. Using the above-mentioned 1 million permits figure, that gives them a ratio of .051.

SleazyRider
April 25, 2013, 10:28 PM
Vito, in our cpl class we were cautioned against about getting involved someones business other than our own. We were told that if it doesn't affect us or someone in our care, call the police but don't intervene with arms.

The case they used was a retired policeman exited a mall, a man in street clothes was beating up a uniformed police officer. The retired cop drew his revolver and fired killing the non-uniformed person. Hooray! saved a cop. Wrong the non-uniformed person was an undercover cop making an arrest. The uniformed cop was a dirty cop under investigation. this happened outside of Chicago several years ago, the retired cop will probably spend the rest of his life in prison. Point to be made here is mind your business, if you, personally are not threatened walk away and call the authorities....my.02
I'd like to cite that case to my friends. Could you provide a reference?

Shimitup
April 25, 2013, 10:34 PM
Texas has 584,850 active as of 12/31/12.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/reports/ActLicAndInstr/ActiveLicandInstr2012.pdf

SECGUY
April 25, 2013, 10:41 PM
One more 1
1,128,000 perhaps

oldways
April 25, 2013, 10:47 PM
128,000 is the NON resident
1,053,000 total

MedWheeler
April 25, 2013, 10:56 PM
Probably Arizona, which may be the most-populated state that has "Constitutional Carry". Every non-prohibited adult over 21 (maybe over 18?) has a carry permit.

gc70
April 26, 2013, 12:21 AM
The Government Accountability Office published a study in June 2012 (www.gao.gov/assets/600/592552.pdf#page=81) that examined concealed carry permit data as of December 31, 2011. South Dakota showed the highest pure percentage of permits to adult population at 10.6%. Some other states had higher percentages, but reflected substantial numbers of non-resident permits (i.e. Utah).

Jeff H
April 26, 2013, 09:06 AM
Found this site that lists all the states. http://legallyarmed.com/ccw_statistics.htm

Yeah, FL is high but look at Pennsylvania. I didn't expect that many there.

Sav .250
April 26, 2013, 09:19 AM
The answer(s) to that question will take a lot of "searching" for data that can be found
maybe in the FBI data base. Maybe even the NRA has some stats.

Off the cuff answers, while interesting, are not factual.

Pilot
April 26, 2013, 10:20 AM
Yeah, FL is high but look at Pennsylvania. I didn't expect that many there.

Pennsylvania, fortunately, has a long gun owning, and hunting tradition. Lots of Fuds here, but many are also pro 2A as it was intended. The PA version of the 2A in the PA Constitution is even more clear than the Fed 2A. The right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE QUESTIONED, is how it reads. While Philly, and Pittsburgh may be anti (legal) gun, the rest of the state is very 2A savvy.

baz
April 26, 2013, 10:21 AM
The answer(s) to that question will take a lot of "searching" for data that can be found
maybe in the FBI data base. Maybe even the NRA has some stats.

Off the cuff answers, while interesting, are not factual.It is all in Table 7 of the document linked by gc7 two posts (and 9 hours) before yours.

Midwest
April 26, 2013, 10:33 AM
Kentucky Conceal Carry Licenses January 1 2012 - December 31 2012

http://www.kentuckystatepolice.org/ccdw/pdf/2012_CCDW_Annual_Report.pdf

Since Inception (1996)

CCDW ....243,925
LEOSA*...4,278
Renewals 188,684

*LEOSA Started February 2006

LemmyCaution
April 26, 2013, 10:38 AM
The answer to your question is Vermont, Arizona, and Alaska, where 100% of the adults in the state can legally carry concealed.

460Kodiak
April 26, 2013, 11:11 AM
Highest percentage of permit holders? It look like Utah wins. I think a more relevant question though is what state has the highest percentage of adults who actually carry.

The gov study posted above is not a good represntation as states like Wyoming and Alaska, you do not need a permit to carry, nor AZ I believe. The only treason to get a permit in those states, is so other states allow you to carry when traveling. I live on the border of two states, and my permit covers me in both locals which is important as I travel between the two very regularly.

Well, I'd be willing to guess the state wityh the highest carry CC'er percentage is Wyoming, South Dakota, Montana, Idaho, or Alaska. It seems that the lower the population, the more conservative type people you run into that have a culture of "take care of yourself". When you live in a very low populated area or state as I do, the saying "When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away." actually can be "When seconds count, the cops are only hours away." In addition, less people means more animals usually, which can also cause issues and a need to carry.

When living in that type of place, a gun isn't seen as something you consider buying because you may need it, it is something everyone expects you to have in your home at the very least, because it is simply a tool for everyday possibilities. What state has the most carriers? I couldn't tell you for sure. As far as a % or a proportion, I'd guess one of the states I listed is the top, as a high carry to low population ratio would generate a large percentage.

There are more guns than people in my town. The nice part is there is typically very little crime in our middle of nowhere state states. If I decided to commit a crime, it sure wouldn't be around here. Someone would shoot me for sure. We don't have a lot of cops because we can't afford it, but we also don't have the need since everyone watches their own behinds and keeps their noses clean.

Piratesailor
April 26, 2013, 11:15 AM
I recently discovered that my town has the highest per capita CHL than any other city in Texas.

Vector
April 26, 2013, 12:36 PM
I know that the main stream media is usually loathe to report cases where a gun stops a crime, or prevents it from even starting, but it is still a surprise to me how rarely one hears about an armed citizen intervening into a criminal situation to save the day. Part of it, I assume, is that even armed individuals tend to not want to get involved if the threat is not directly aimed at them or someone close to them, but I tend to think the main answer is just that so few people, even with permits, actually go out into the public carrying a concealed firearm. This made me wonder what state or states have the highest percentage of their adult population possessing a carry permit, and the assumption that the percentage of permit holders who actually carry probably doesn't vary that much state to state. Do those states with relatively high percentages have more reported cases of licensed carriers stopping a crime? Or are the numbers just too small, even in the states with high percentages, to make it likely that an armed citizen will be in the vicinity when a crime initiates?

Most of us who carry hope never to need to use our firearms. I have needed to make potential threats aware of me being armed only a couple of times in 20+ years, and I live in a major city. So the average person in a small city may never need to brandish their weapon, much less use it.

Additionally my state emphasizes that having a license to carry does not deputize us, nor give us the right to start fighting crime. So many would be reluctant to get involved in disputes/crimes unless it was a life or death situation.

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razorback2003
April 26, 2013, 07:55 PM
I bet NY has a huge percentage of adults who have handgun licenses because you have to have a license to possess a handgun.

gym
April 26, 2013, 08:30 PM
It's the Gunshine state, The million we reached didn't count the prior permits that weren't renewed and expired. Some folks just felt that if they had guns in the house car and business, they didn't need to carry.
Also that was "active" permits. There may be many inactive. Since you can legally buy a gun with just your ID, who really knows how many guns there are in FL.
I would say more than 50% of the folks easily, have a gun. If I count down 10 houses each way, just from what I know, easily half of my neighbors have guns "that I know of", many won't come out and mention it either way. But over 5 years you begin to get a feel for who does and who doesn't.
I was surprised when I asked for shooting partners, on the community website, and after enough local gun shows, you kind of are able to figure it out. many from NY or Chicago, don't, for the first few years, until someone takes them shooting, then they usually enjoy it and get their own.

hso
April 26, 2013, 08:36 PM
As pointed out = http://www.gao.gov/assets/600/592552.pdf#page=81

GA and SD have the highest of any state that doesn't issue out of state carry permits, better than 11 and 10% respectively. I expect Utah's percentage is highly inflated because of the popularity of their permit for out of staters.

gc70
April 27, 2013, 03:33 AM
The math is wrong for GA in the GAO report.

It should be: 600,000 / 6,906,000 = 8.7%

It looks like somebody did: 6,906,000 / 600,000 = 11.5x

Cee Zee
April 27, 2013, 08:14 AM
Kentucky has a population of 4.4 million and 245,000 or so permits. That's roughly 1 in 18 citizens that have permits. Florida has been mentioned here. They have 19.3 million with just over a million permits. So that's about 1 out of 19 that have permits. Indiana no doubt has a higher percentage but they have no requirements to get one except restrictions of course. Kentucky requires a class. I'd rate KY as one of the most gun friendly states in the country. Georgia has no class requirement either.

junglebob
October 16, 2013, 10:40 PM
Found this site that lists all the states. http://legallyarmed.com/ccw_statistics.htm

Yeah, FL is high but look at Pennsylvania. I didn't expect that many there.
I think the percentage for Pa is about 8 percent, but if they count non-resident LTC that could be off. The Pa LTC is only $25 and until the spring of 2011 was available by mail to non-residents. I think quite a few folks from Illinois have gotten one and probably other states that are restrictive may issue. Illinois is now shall issue BTW, the first LTC should be issued in spring of 2014.

I know Indiana has a high percentage of folks with LTC.

There are estimates that Illinois will issue 300,000 LTC the first year. If that happens next year, it would give us a percentage of 2.3 percent. That may be an optimistic figure for the first year for ordinary citizens being able to carry but it is way up from 0% this year.

geekWithA.45
October 17, 2013, 06:39 PM
In my well informed opinion, The GAO report's 32K number MASSIVELY OVERSTATES the number of carry permits in NJ.

NJ has different categories of carry permits: Heavily restricted/work related for armed guards and the like, LEO permits for off duty and retired cops, and what the rest of the country understands as an unrestricted carry permit for normal people, which remains practically impossible to obtain and keep. The figures I had for the year 2000 was a mere 600.

Someone's monkeying the numbers there.

hang fire
October 18, 2013, 03:20 AM
Probably Arizona, which may be the most-populated state that has "Constitutional Carry". Every non-prohibited adult over 21 (maybe over 18?) has a carry permit.
Ditto on that.

GAF
October 18, 2013, 10:11 AM
Wisconsin just went over 200000 permits. That means one permit for every 28.5
people.

Outlaw Man
October 18, 2013, 10:47 AM
I can guarantee you it's not Hawaii or Illinois.

I thought Vermont didn't actually have a permit, that you had to get an out-of-state permit if you wanted to carry elsewhere? In that case, in response to the question as stated, Vermont gets to share last place with Hawaii, who, unless it has changed recently, has never issued one.

It's funny how such a pro-gun state and such an anti-gun state can look so similar if you phrase the question right. Kinda like the media does...

JustinJ
October 18, 2013, 11:04 AM
What state has the highest percentage of adults with carry permits?

I'm more curious as to which has the highest rate of children with carry permits.

Outlaw Man
October 18, 2013, 02:30 PM
Or antigun politicians!

(My vote is California)

EdJennings
October 18, 2013, 05:32 PM
Don't know about the state as a whole, but Jefferson County, AL (Birmingham) runs about 12-13% according to a newspaper article a couple of years back. Likely a bigger number today. The percentage of people actually carrying guns is much higher. One LEO of my acquaintance guesstimated 75%.

MarkDido
October 18, 2013, 09:19 PM
But oddly enough, Florida is one of the few states that prohibit open carry.

junglebob
October 19, 2013, 09:18 PM
But oddly enough, Florida is one of the few states that prohibit open carry.
Texas does as well.

Blue Brick
October 19, 2013, 11:33 PM
Every non-prohibited adult over 21 (maybe over 18?) has a carry permit.

It's 18. And yes that includes handguns. No permit is needed for CC or OC.

junglebob
October 27, 2013, 05:21 PM
I can guarantee you it's not Hawaii or Illinois.

I thought Vermont didn't actually have a permit, that you had to get an out-of-state permit if you wanted to carry elsewhere? In that case, in response to the question as stated, Vermont gets to share last place with Hawaii, who, unless it has changed recently, has never issued one.

It's funny how such a pro-gun state and such an anti-gun state can look so similar if you phrase the question right. Kinda like the media does...
Well we'll see what the ratio for Illinois is the end of 2014. Illinois shall issue CCW licenses should start being issued in the spring of 2014. I'm sure we won't be any where near as high as Indiana, Kentucky or most other states. I'm sure it is going to be way better than Hawaii. There is 16 hours of instruction required so that alone is going to make for fewer issued licenses. The license will be good everywhere in Illinois even Chicago. Sorry out of staters no recognition of other CCW's, but if you want to shell out $300 they will issue non-resident CCWs.

Vector
October 28, 2013, 11:11 AM
But oddly enough, Florida is one of the few states that prohibit open carry.
I believe the news media helped to convince those in the capitol that it would be a wild west movie if they allowed it. Of course the anti's were concerned about that anyway with CCW's, and of course were proved wrong.

At least some of them came out and admitted it once their dire predictions did not come true.

decoy562
October 29, 2013, 12:09 AM
I'm more curious as to which has the highest rate of children with carry permits.
LOL, me too!

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