Dear Gun Control Democrats


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OilyPablo
April 26, 2013, 07:09 AM
I found myself agreeing with a Liberal and changing my tune:

http://kontradictions.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/dear-democratic-gun-control-lobby-how-to-get-better/

Not that I'm rooting for the other side, but she nails it.

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Reloadron
April 26, 2013, 07:48 AM
Actually a very good read. I had not seen that before and enjoyed it as well as learning a few things.

Ron

mcdonl
April 26, 2013, 07:54 AM
Good read

MagnumDweeb
April 26, 2013, 08:02 AM
An excellent read. Was worth it.

Bruno2
April 26, 2013, 08:07 AM
That was a great piece of writing. :cool:

Gun control ideas are mostly built off of lies. When we were in the middle of the last anti gun movement I admit I was concerned. I even suggested that we start lying and throwing around skewed stats as well.However, after the results of the vote in the Senate I have to believe that the good fight we have been waging gave us good results.

Also, I honestly believe that most anti gun politicians know the difference between crap and apple butter. Some of them don't such as McCarthey, but when Bloomberg says you just hold down the trigger and go. He knows that isn't true. However, he knows that your average person doesn't and that will stick in their heads. These are propaganda tactics and the people using them know what they are doing.

PVD
April 26, 2013, 08:23 AM
Thanks, Pablo. She says many of the things I have been thinking far more clearly and succinctly than I could. In particular the contradictory messages sent by politicians regarding their desire to ban guns and the profound ignorance of some legislators who would craft legislation regulating guns.

AlexanderA
April 26, 2013, 08:36 AM
Pretty good recap of the pro-gun argument. But, in the context of the title -- "Dear Gun Control Democrats: 6 Ways to Make a Better Argument" -- it's classic "concern trolling." (Not what it purports to be.) Bad when the other side does it, good when our side does it?

Grassman
April 26, 2013, 08:38 AM
The left uses these tactics because they work on the uninformed public. I don't see them changing.

MagnunJoe
April 26, 2013, 09:40 AM
I like!

Blackstone
April 26, 2013, 09:44 AM
Sharing this with everyone I know.

MagnumWill
April 26, 2013, 01:20 PM
Wish I had her email, so I could write her a thank you. I do always reprimand my fellow friends refer to the antis as Democrats, and that's not true. We need all the friends we can get, and don't be fooled that every republican is against gun control. Essentially, if you're on this board, you're all right in my book. (Except flamers and trolls, of course :))

Texan Scott
April 26, 2013, 05:51 PM
:rolleyes: Please... you can't go calling yourself a "liberal" just because you believe in LIBERTIES...

:scrutiny: ... or can you? Is it possible that even a :what: NON-Republican recognizes politically motivated BS when they hear it?

This makes too much sense... I need to lie down now.

Azusa
April 26, 2013, 06:12 PM
Great article, apparently written by that rarest of political animals in the USA: a truly liberal leftist. Most of the American left are just fascists who turned in the brown shirt for pastels.

Not sure what the point of the article is though. if you take away those 6 points from the current iteration of the gun control argument...what's left?

StrutStopper
April 26, 2013, 06:33 PM
Good read, right on the money.

Skillet
April 26, 2013, 06:45 PM
i still get a kick out of that. "I think its the shoulder thing that goes up." haha!

OilyPablo
April 26, 2013, 06:51 PM
if you take away those 6 points from the current iteration of the gun control argument...what's left?

Exactly.

Skillet
April 26, 2013, 06:57 PM
also, I fully wish article writers would post links supporting claims like this Fortunately for America, the FBI says that citizens of all ages are literally more likely to be struck by lightning than to be killed with a rifle of any kind – not just “assault” rifles. It would probably help their credibility, and i dont doubt their credibility, but when I try and explain this to people they refuse to believe it because of lack of links to direct sources. Ugh.

EDIT: nevermind. i figured it out. I feel so much smarter.

tyeo098
April 26, 2013, 07:28 PM
Is it possible that even a :what: NON-Republican recognizes politically motivated BS when they hear it?
Yeah, they're called libertarians.

Texan Scott
April 26, 2013, 10:02 PM
^ I knows ... I are one. ;)

Agsalaska
April 27, 2013, 01:03 AM
That was well done. That Feinstein quote is still taken out of context though. But other than that the points made were excellent.

sidheshooter
April 27, 2013, 03:11 PM
Fantastic read. Absolutely top notch discussion.

OilyPablo
April 27, 2013, 03:16 PM
Maybe I'm being repetitive, but if the 2nd Amendment supporters get fraction of the liberals, a hunk of moderates, and the new and growing libertarians, gun control will be stopped in it's tracks.

loose noose
April 27, 2013, 03:54 PM
Very well written, I plan on sending it to everyone on my e-mail list.:)

KTXdm9
April 27, 2013, 04:01 PM
Maybe there is hope for this country after all. I wonder if the author of the article will still vote for anti-gun Dems over Republicans or independents?

316SS
April 27, 2013, 06:16 PM
The Jim Crow Southern Democrats and the pre-totalitarian statists had a baby, and it is the modern gun-control movement. It disproportionately affects the urban poor and minorities. It is the opposite of "power to the people."

We shouldn't be amazed that one left-leaning blogger "gets it"; we should wonder why more on the left don't.

58limited
April 27, 2013, 06:35 PM
Great article, and I really like this person's article on the 'Assault' Weapons Ban which was posted on this forum a few months back:

http://kontradictions.wordpress.com/2012/08/09/why-not-renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-well-ill-tell-you/

kevin davis
April 27, 2013, 11:01 PM
i enjoyed the article, but find the writer's assumption the the more virulent anti-gun people are truly interested in discussion/debate/or even conversation is at best unlikely and is disingenuous. the feinstein/bloomberg types do not want to talk about gun policy at all. their only interest is in taking all they can from the second amendment rights as fast as they can and for as long as they can. it is not possible to talk with people who will lie, cheat, and steal to get what they want. we have to recognize that there really are few liberals like the writer to be found.

Twmaster
April 28, 2013, 12:05 AM
Awesome pair of blog posts.

holdencm9
April 28, 2013, 12:41 AM
Great read, thanks for sharing.

TheSaint
April 28, 2013, 02:53 AM
Maybe I'm being repetitive, but if the 2nd Amendment supporters get fraction of the liberals, a hunk of moderates, and the new and growing libertarians, gun control will be stopped in it's tracks.
Right on. The NRA needs to continue to recruit a broad brush. Gay, straight, women, men, teenagers, high-IQ dogs, you name it. Lets get a large tent where everyone has room. Remember, whether you are left, or right, gun rights are HUMAN RIGHTS, if properly understood.

Zonamo
April 28, 2013, 01:58 PM
we have to recognize that there really are few liberals like the writer to be found.


Ironically, the point of the blog was the exact opposite.

Gun policy is not really as partisan a debate as mainstream media would suggest. There are plenty of left-leaning citizens and Democratic voters who love our guns...You cannot pretend that we don’t exist...

Making gun rights a partisan issue doesn't do anything except alienate potential supporters.

SuperNaut
April 28, 2013, 02:05 PM
Maybe I'm being repetitive, but if the 2nd Amendment supporters get fraction of the liberals, a hunk of moderates, and the new and growing libertarians, gun control will be stopped in it's tracks.
Bingo! A third is technically a fraction, but 30%+ is nothing to sneeze at. If we had a 30%+ increase in active 2A supporters we would never hear the words "gun control" ever, ever, again.

sidheshooter
April 28, 2013, 02:41 PM
Just a point of interest: I have spent my whole life around academic institutions where the general populace skews slightly to the left of Susan Sarandon and Alan Alda. Aside from my friends in LE and .MIL, and the folks I've met specifically through shooting/training, most of my social network is pretty darn liberal as a result of environment. (I'm basically skewing slightly left and *overtly* libertarian whenever I take some sort of test, myself).

I know a ton of waaaaay lefties who own guns. And not just Fudd guns, but ARs and XDs; the blacker, the better. One of my favorite shooting buddies has a left wing talk show, for pete's sake (though he's pro2A on the show; can't defend civil rights with a sharp piece of wood very well). Believe it or not, western state universities are filled with gun owners, and they are largely voters, and affluent enough to donate. (They can also read well, which is why if we put the stats on guns, crime, violence and control in front of them enough times, they will eventually form the rational opinion-we've seen a bit of that phenomenon in the MSM, thanks in parts to idiots like Piers on the other side).

Now, this is not to be confused with--or be read as an endorsement of--the democratic party platform, in any way shape or form, of course.

But since when has either party done a particularly good job of representing their constituents, save for a few examples of when the politico's own self interests happen to intersect with the people's?

Point is, stand together, or hang separately.

/end of a very rare political rant from this member. Back to 9mm vs. .45 ammo availability...
:rolleyes:

RmB
April 28, 2013, 03:09 PM
A comment on momsdemandaction.org
"Maybe – maybe (I don’t think it’s all that clear) – the Second A gives people the right to have as many guns as they want. But the rest of us (80% of Americans who don’t own guns) have an absolute right to safety, and freedom from gun violence. Our government’s #1 obligation is to keep it’s citizens – especially the most vulnerable – safe.

I would advocate putting a very large tax on bullets – like $1-2+ each; one of the problems is that bullets are so incredibly cheap (many are ~ $.05) and use the $$ to fund anti-gun campaigns, and background checks, etc. License PEOPLE, not just guns – if you have to have a license to drive car, shouldn’t you have to have a license to buy a gun? work on the finger print technology to “password-protect” guns – technology that makes it impossible for anyone to shoot a gun whose fingerprint isn’t set as the “password.”

Finally, I think we all need to be very careful about the mental health piece – the gun nuts like to blame gun violence on the mentally ill – but only 5% of mentally ill people ever commit a crime. I would like to see increased funding for mental health – we just need to be careful & truthful about it, and not make it seem like gun violence is caused by mental illness. It’s not.

Good luck with your good work!"
My head is spinning from all that

JRH6856
April 28, 2013, 03:47 PM
A comment on momsdemandaction.org...

gun violence may not be caused by mental illness, but comments like that very well may be.

76shuvlinoff
April 28, 2013, 05:59 PM
We need to send momsdemandaction #2, the part about knowing what the hell you're regulating.

Slotback
April 28, 2013, 06:18 PM
Well written article.

basicblur
April 28, 2013, 10:49 PM
Blog author of the above article on hour 3 of Tom Gresham's Gun Talk this week.

Haven't heard it yet, since as I type this I'm only 10 minutes into hour 2.

http://guntalk.libsyn.com/

I also see Massad Ayoob steers readers to the original blog in his e-mail / Backwoods Home article.

Big_John1961
April 29, 2013, 12:40 AM
Listening to Bob Costas talk on the Maher video made me throw up in my mouth. What an arrogant tool.

Cee Zee
April 29, 2013, 09:07 AM
Not sure what the point of the article is though. if you take away those 6 points from the current iteration of the gun control argument...what's left?

I think that IS the point. :)

BTW I totally agree about Costas. Arrogant, leftist humps like him dominate the tv airwaves far too much. We should do more to demand a different atmosphere because he is mostly on BROADCAST tv which is subject to FCC regulations on certain things. Serving the whole community is one of those things and he certainly does not do that. Most tv types don't in fact.

http://transition.fcc.gov/localism/Localism_Fact_Sheet.pdf

SSN Vet
April 29, 2013, 11:54 AM
totally awesome!!

MErl
April 29, 2013, 12:04 PM
I like seeing this but also see it as part of the problem.

Examples like this are the things that make it acceptable for gun owners to vote D. Yeah there are fanatics over there who believe in a gun free utopia but there are also people like this. The issue is only brought up by the fanatics and promptly dismissed. Then something happens and you get Colorado...

Akita1
April 29, 2013, 09:38 PM
Great read - sharing it on FB now

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