First time .22-250


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jgh4445
April 26, 2013, 07:28 PM
I'm going to try some Varget. The rifle ( Rem 700 SPS Stainless) really didn't like 55 gr V Max factory loads from Hornady. Think I might also try some 4064. Both are listed in the Hornady manual. Will try 55 gr SP Hornadys cause I have lots of them. I'd sure like to find a recipe it does like. The Hornady manual lists a max of 34.6 gr of Varget for 3600 fps. The Varget can lists 36.5 gr as Max for 3664. Thats a difference of 1.9 gr for 64 fps. I find the different max loads a bit disconcerting. Does anyone load with either of these powders for the 250?

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hey_poolboy
April 26, 2013, 08:50 PM
I've loaded for .22-250 with Varget almost exclusively. Lately I've had to look into branching out due to lack of Varget in my area.
Mine loves 36.7 gr. behind a 50 gr. Hornady v-max. Yes, that's a pretty hot load, put I've seen SO many different max loads for Varget. Lee lists a different max than lyman, who lists a different max than Hodgdon...and the list goes on. I realize they are testing in different equipment.

Mine just started to work in smaller groups as the charge went up, I get no signs of over-pressure, and .75" groups at 235 yds when I do my part.

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MSgtEgress
April 26, 2013, 09:42 PM
The 22-250 can use a multitude of powders, I like IMR4007SSC and VihtaVuori N-150 and good old IMR4350. Varget is also a great choice. With 50g V-Max I get the best velocity with 40.0g 4007 and the best accuracy with 35.5g N-150

4895
April 26, 2013, 09:43 PM
I use 34.5 grains of Varget with 52 grain Hornady A-Max bullets. They shoot excellent for me.

NCsmitty
April 26, 2013, 11:11 PM
Back in the day (70's), way before Varget (90's) IMR4320 was the hot setup with Rem Power-lokt bullets, and there is no reason that it would not work today with the shortages of Varget that we see.
I've personally not had good luck in my current 22-250 with Varget and my 52gr A-Max bullets. I get under 1/2" groups with 33.3gr of IMR3031 and the 52gr A-Max. I keep saying that I should try H4895 but haven't yet.


NCsmitty

twofifty
April 26, 2013, 11:16 PM
Your Rem 700 is likely a 1in14 twist barrel, so it will do very well pushing 50, 52, 53 and 55gr bullets.

I use RL-15, Varget and H380 in mine, with each powder matched up to its own bullet weight and construction.

You said your rifle doesn't like Hornady factory 55 V-max. Have you tried Winchester Super-X 55gr PSPs in your rifle? These were super consistent and very tight grouping in my 700, then I started reloading and got slightly better results - but not by much.

Tried reloading Winchester's bulk 55gr PSPs and never got results as good as the same bullet shot from the factory-made Super-X cartridge.

osteodoc08
April 26, 2013, 11:23 PM
I've had good luck with varget and CFE-223 in my 22-250 Kimber.

788Ham
April 27, 2013, 12:25 AM
I've got a Rem. 700 BDL in 22-250, got it back in '73. My loads for it is Hornady 52gr BTHP, IMR 4064, 33.6 gr. , 3400 FPS. Another load I like, Nosler 52 gr. BTHP, 32.7 of 4064, 3400 fps. IMR 3031 is also an excellent powder for this round, I've used it for a long time, then decided to try 4064, both very good for the .22-250. Good luck.

Lennyjoe
April 27, 2013, 03:08 AM
My Savage loved Varget and 50gr V-Max. Was hell on jack rabbits out here in Arizona!

Kevin Rohrer
April 27, 2013, 09:47 PM
I have a rifle similar to the original poster's. He should try 36.0gr of IMR4064 beneath any 55gr bullet. I know that the Speer and the Vmax work well with it.

cpt-t
April 28, 2013, 01:35 AM
jgh4445: My Son and I both shoot a Savage HB 22-250 and the only load we use is 36.5 grsof Varget with a 50gr V-Max bullet and I belive we are getting about 3795 FPS but don`t have a chrony. The guys at Hornaday told me to use the 50 gr V-Max rather than their 55 gr V-Max bullets. This load will shoot 1/2 inch or under at a 100 yds in both of our rifles. We never have really tried anything else. I show 37.5 grs of varget using to 50gr V-Max at 3834 fps as the Max load in my 2013 Hodgdon reloading Manual.
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joed
April 28, 2013, 02:01 AM
Well, I hope your SPS Stainless is not like mine. The only bullet that gives great accuracy in mine is the 52 gr Sierra with 38.0 gr of Varget for 3700 fps.

36.5 gr of Varget gave me 3400 fps in my rifle.

ArchAngelCD
April 28, 2013, 02:59 AM
The Hornady manual lists a max of 34.6 gr of Varget for 3600 fps. The Varget can lists 36.5 gr as Max for 3664. Thats a difference of 1.9 gr for 64 fps. I find the different max loads a bit disconcerting. Does anyone load with either of these powders for the 250?
Unless both Varget loads were tested under the same exact circumstances with the same exact components and the same length barrels the differences you quote are not strange at all and nothing to be concerned over.

StretchNM
April 28, 2013, 07:30 AM
I have a Rem 700 VSF (1-in-14")and I have tried several powders, some of which fall into my "Best Load" honor for each bullet. I only name a load a Best Load if it shoots the same (or relatively the same) group on two or more occasions (separate trips to the range).

- Sierra 40gr Varminter (SP-Flat) 36.0gr IMR4064, CCI200
- Nosler 40gr Ballistic Tip, 40.0gr IMR4007SSC, CCI200

- Speer 50gr TNT (SP-Flat) 34.0gr IMR4895, CCI200
- Sierra 50gr HV, 34.6gr IMR4895, WLR

- Speer 55gr Varmint (SP-Flat) 38.0gr H380, CCI200
- Sierra 55gr Varmint, 38.0 IMR4007SSC, WLR

- Sierra 60gr Varminter (SP-Flat) 33.5gr IMR4064, CCI200
- Berger 60gr Varmint (HP-Flat) 35.2gr IMR4064, CCI250M

Each rifle, and barrel, is unique. So....whatever works in yours will be good. Those are just some good powders and loads that worked well in mine. You have a 1-in-14", but DON'T be afraid to try some 60 grainers to see how they do. That 60gr Sierra and IMR4064 load shot the best 5-shot group ever fired in my rifle (.271"), and consistently shoots 1/2" or less (always 5 shot groups) with a flyer only very rarely.

jgh4445
April 28, 2013, 11:20 AM
Thanks guys for all of the info and input. So far, and I know this sounds crazy, I have found that my rifle does not like plastic tipped bullets. Tried .55 gr V Max, 55 gr Nosler Ballistic tips. Used 4064, Varget, 3031 IMR 4350..No Joy. Ended up with 36.5 gr Varget under a 55 gr Hornady SP. It shoots about 3/4 inches at 100. Gonna try some 52 Match HP's today with 4064 and Varget. (Got plenty of 4064..running out of Varget. Would really like to have some H380.

Ifishsum
April 28, 2013, 01:15 PM
jgh, do the Hornady SP bullets have a flat base? That may be your real difference, most of the plastic tipped bullets tend to be a boattail design. The base of a bullet has far more influence on accuracy than the tip, and some barrels just don't shoot boattail bullets well.

TwoEyedJack
April 28, 2013, 08:56 PM
I have had really good luck with 40 gr. ballistic tips and enough IMR 4064 to hit 4000 fps. This load absolutely blows up whistle pigs. My coyote load is a 55 gr. Winchester softpoint and enough W760 to hit 3850 fps. This load is a little hard on pelts.

witchhunter
April 28, 2013, 10:37 PM
Try a lot of different bullets if you can, I found that my new 700 stainless only likes 52 Speer HP's...I had over 400 rounds of Vmax and bal tips through it before I ended up with them, it was a partial box left over from my coyote huntin days.... Varget, or IMR3031. Have some 4007ssc on order.

jgh4445
April 28, 2013, 11:10 PM
Tried the Berger 52 gr "Match" Varmint hp this afternoon ahead of different loads of 3031 and 4064. Nothing really impressed me. I am beginning to think this Mark X Pro Adjustable trigger is crap! The allen screw sticking out of the trigger bothers me and the trigger is heavy, even when adjusted so that the screw falls out! I think that may be a lot of the problem. Gonna start back at square one this weekend. Heck, isn't this why we reload?

gab909
April 28, 2013, 11:48 PM
My 22-250 is a 1 in 14 and does not like any 55 grain bullets, but loves the 50 grain Zmax/Vmax. I am shooting 34.8 grains of Varget in that load.

StretchNM
April 29, 2013, 12:47 AM
My X Pro trigger works pretty good and I don;t notice the set screw. Maybe place a call to Remington and see what they say.

osage48
April 29, 2013, 01:40 PM
I have had my best groups with 4064.

StretchNM
April 29, 2013, 07:54 PM
My most oft-used powder, spread across several calibers. IMR4064. Ever read the "If there were just one powder..." threads? Alot of guys choose 4350, or 4895, or other versatile and favorite powders. Mine is 4064.... it's a go-to powder for me.

jgh4445
April 29, 2013, 10:03 PM
Found some H380, Vmax 50 gr AND a Timney trigger today. Let the games begin!

788Ham
April 30, 2013, 01:48 AM
That Timney trigger might be your answer ! I put one in my older Rem. 788 .223, thats what made it a true zinger! Hope it settles your problems!

mljdeckard
April 30, 2013, 07:37 PM
Lemme ask, just for my own personal edification,

I got and used H380 because it was supposed to be ideally engineered for 22-250. And my very first batch of rifle loads were under 1". I suspect I'll keep using it.

But I look on this thread, and the only mention I see of H380 is towards the end of the thread, in the context of, "I got it because everything else was out of stock", and I find myself wondering of the cool kids know something I don't? Id H380 just not as good a choice as the others?

guntech59
April 30, 2013, 08:30 PM
H380 is supposed to be one of the best powders for 22-250.

I had my best success, for velocity and accuracy with IMR 8208 XBR. I only use 50 and 55gr Vmax with it.

The best part is there is less than 20 fps difference between 20 F and 90F and a near max load. No pressure signs at all at either temp.

Geno
April 30, 2013, 08:54 PM
jgh4445:
Thanks for starting this thread! I hadn't loaded .22-250s since oh, about 1988?! I recent;ly purchased an M70 Stealth in .22-250, and have been tinkering with projectiles in 35, 40, 45, 50 and 55 grains. I have a farm trip planned and see what the 35 grain atmosphere-splitters are going to do. I use Varget, IMR 4350, Accurate 2700 and Benchmark to name a few. Back in the day, I used 4064. Of all of them, I really like the Varget. There are other powders that are faster, but Varget just seems to be stable, reliable, consistent. Too, is seems to work incredibly well for my Stealth in .308 Win, and my M1As with 165 grain and 168 grains. Such a diverse powder.

All:
That stated, thanks to everyone for their insights. These posts will save me a lot of headache. I am very appreciative!

TwoEyedJack:
Were you using CCI or other Magnum Primers with the W760? I would appreciate it if you would PM me your grains used in that load. If you're uncomfortable sharing the load details, I understand that. I ask because my reloading manual calls for using LR Magnum primers with that powder. I have a chance to buy 8 Lbs of W760 at a decent price, but am unfamiliar with it.

Geno

StretchNM
April 30, 2013, 11:34 PM
........... But I look on this thread, and the only mention I see of H380 is towards the end of the thread, in the context of, "I got it because everything else was out of stock", and I find myself wondering of the cool kids know something I don't? Id H380 just not as good a choice as the others?.......

I use H380 and have tried under several bullets in 22-250. It might work as a Best Load on more than just 55 grainers, but I haven't given it its due course on all bullets. As I'm running two and sometimes three powders when building a load, as soon as I get groups nice and tight and I can repeat them, I stop and use that powder. If H380 is in that group being tested, and I select another powder right away, H380 might not get its true chance to perform. That's just the way it goes.

H380 got its name from Bruce Hodgdon (I believe) when he found that 38.0 grains of it was perfect and very accurate under a 55 grain bullet. I use it across a broad selection of calibers, well, maybe two or three or four. It's a fine powder and there's nothing wrong with having enough of it. I keep track of my loads and powder/primer/bullet inventory in an Xcel spreadsheet. I just checked and show that I still have 4.2 pounds of it, so I'm good for now. (((:D)))

jgh4445
May 12, 2013, 03:08 PM
Good grief that Timney trigger is awesome!!! The H 380 helped a lot. Switching to Fed 215 primers helped even more. Then I installed the Timney. Wow! My rifle is now shooting under a half inch and I'm a happy camper!!!

nastynatesfish
May 12, 2013, 08:45 PM
35.5gr varget and a 55gr sp was beautiful in my old 250.

4895
May 12, 2013, 11:37 PM
I had some pressure problems with H380. Some of my brand new brass blew out the primer pockets after first firing with a load that was 3 grains under max. I just caution against it. Whatever Bruce Hodgdon did in his 22.250, sure didn't work for me. Be careful and start lower in the scale and watch for pressure signs like sticky bolt and a large increase in recoil. I was shooting on a hot day, 105+ F and that may have been a large factor. Either way, I neck turn my brass and uniform the flash holes along with cci benchrest primers. My best groups to date are with 52 grain A-Max and 34.5 grains of Varget seated to standard length (2.350"). The rifle is a factory stock Stevens 200 with a 1:12 twist barrel and a cabelas 4-12x scope. I would like to get a better trigger and a nicer stock.

Nalgi
May 13, 2013, 12:15 AM
34 gr of imr4895 behind a 55 gr bullet have given me 1/2 in groups for 20 years
in my 22-250 (Browning highwall)

jgh4445
May 19, 2013, 10:19 PM
Well here's a problem that isn't terrible but I'd rather everything be alike. I had given to me, more than 350 brand new, never fired or loaded 22-250 Remington brass that is ALREADY PRIMED with Fed Gold Match. Now, I haven't found a great load other than the load with H380 that took MAGNUM primers to shrink the group. Sure would like to load everything the same, but looks like , since I don't want to waste all those match primers, I'll have to work up a separate load for the Gold Match primed brass. I loaded 5 rounds with H380 today and took them to the range. With a magnum primer I got groups under 1/2 inch. With the Gold Match primer being the only difference, it shot a bit over an inch. Gonna re-visit Varget and 4064 I think. I'm really anal about small groups from a bench. What I'm trying to do here is load 500 rounds of .22-250 to take on a prairie dog hunt this fall. I'll also be taking a .223 with 500 rounds. Is an inch group good enough? Overkill? I've never been on a PD hunt before. We'll be doing the PD thing for two to three days.

Chief 101
May 19, 2013, 10:43 PM
I have always used standard LR primers with H380, and after 25 years still use standard primers. I use this powder with 50gr Noslers and 55 Hornadys. Shoot a Rem Rifle also...I have a new custom barrel with a 1/9 twist and with the lighter 50-55 gr bullets, H380 is showing a lot of promise, I will likely stay with it. I am working with slower powders like H4350 and H4831 with the heavies like 75gr Amax. I am now using BR-2 primers which are a CCI standard LR primer...I think you are fine with the brass you have and H380, just make some rounds and testfire some...Chief aka Maxx Load

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