Walther PPK/S 22


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1911WB
April 27, 2013, 10:26 AM
Anyone got one of these new PPK/S 22's yet? Would love to read a quick review if you do. My lgs just got two in, both blue; but, of course, I want the silver one (SS & nickel). So while I'm waiting, I'd like to know if the little puppy works reliably and whether it's accurate. :) WB

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usp9
April 27, 2013, 11:22 AM
How much are they selling for? I'm in the market for one as well.

Onmilo
April 27, 2013, 11:28 AM
This is what guns.com had to say about the pistol
http://youtu.be/1qp3PSZ8XII

Kiln
April 27, 2013, 04:00 PM
I'd look out if I were you guys. They're more than likely constructed at least partially of zamak (slide most likely).

I don't have an issue with zamak in low cost guns, it is when they make a gun out of the cheapest manufacturing materials possible and then charge $400 for it that makes me unhappy.

Fishbed77
April 27, 2013, 05:56 PM
It's made by Umarex (made at Umarex factory in Arnsberg), so it's not a real Walther (which are made in the Walther factory in Ulm).

For that reason alone, I'd pass.

Kiln
April 27, 2013, 07:51 PM
If it is anything like my Umarex Walther P22 I'd pass double time.

usp9
April 27, 2013, 11:31 PM
It's made by Umarex (made at Umarex factory in Arnsberg), so it's not a real Walther

Can you source that information?

TennJed
April 28, 2013, 01:16 AM
Can you source that information?
The general consensus on the Walther forums is it is made by Umarex and made of an Alloy (pot metal some call it). I have not read every post on the forum about it, but the info seems to come from the proof marking on the gun. Koln proof which is the Umarex factory in Germany not the Ulm factory. Page 13 of the following thread shows the proofmark

http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/pp-tp-series/25386-new-ppk-22-coming-13.html

That being said I had a Colt/Walther/Umarex 1911 in 22lr. It was a good gun, function was great, not ammo picky and reasonably accurate. I sold it because I had a too many 22s, but it was a pretty good gun.

But this is disappointing to find out about the new PPK/S. I would jump on it in a heart beat if it was all steel

usp9
April 28, 2013, 10:29 AM
Thanks. That was an informative link.

I own two of the so called "pot metal" guns; a GSG 1911-22 and a Umarex (Walther) HK MP5-22. Both of these are really nice firearms. I've been especially impressed with the accuracy of the 1911. The MP5 has fed and fired all ammo. It is the most fun plinker I own, replaced the Ruger 10/22 for the top title.

I'm still willing to plunk down some cash for a new PPK/S in .22lr. Looks like a lot of fun to me... price dependent of course.

TennJed
April 28, 2013, 01:51 PM
I'm still willing to plunk down some cash for a new PPK/S in .22lr. Looks like a lot of fun to me... price dependent of course.

After reading into it some more last night I found out the the S&W M&P 22 handgun is also proof marked the same way and made by Umarex. I did not know that. The M&P was on my short list to buy. I am still going to get it. I think Umarex gets some undeserved hate.

MedWheeler
April 28, 2013, 01:59 PM
I recently acquired a FEG (Hungary) AP-22 imported in around 1998 by Interarms. Make no mistake; this is pure solid steel, with an impressive deep blued finish. It's a rimfire version of their PA-63 pistol. I'm pleased with its fire and handling characteristics, and it's "Walther-like" enough that, if Walther was to market a .22LR PPK/S that was really made of steel, I would recommend it.

Kiln
April 28, 2013, 05:02 PM
After reading into it some more last night I found out the the S&W M&P 22 handgun is also proof marked the same way and made by Umarex. I did not know that. The M&P was on my short list to buy. I am still going to get it. I think Umarex gets some undeserved hate.
I think they ruined their rep with early P22s because they had constant issues with them for years. The reviews are mostly positive these days but after owning an 2009 P22 that had every jam under the sun with every ammo type and different mags, I'm just not willing to give them another shot.

My other major problem is that their slides are made from zamak like Hi Point, which isn't a problem per say, it is only a problem for me because the only reason to use zamak is to cut costs. When you use the absolute cheapest metal available and then still charge $400 for it, that becomes a problem for me.

Fishbed77
April 28, 2013, 10:57 PM
Can you source that information?


http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/walther-general-discussions/28928-walther-arms-q-session-marth-26th-8pm-cst-6.html#post256562

See post #56 on this thread. Mark Thomas of Walther America has clearly stated that the .22LR PPK/S will be manufactured by Umarex in Arnsberg.

481
April 28, 2013, 11:54 PM
http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/walther-general-discussions/28928-walther-arms-q-session-marth-26th-8pm-cst-6.html#post256562

See post #56 on this thread. Mark Thomas of Walther America has clearly stated that the .22LR PPK/S will be manufactured by Umarex in Arnsberg.

Darn. That puts it out of consideration for me. After the issues I had with the P22, I am through with guns made of zinc alloy (aka pot metal).

TennJed
April 29, 2013, 01:55 AM
Not being made of Steel and charging $400+ is a mistake IMHO. The S&W M&P 22 is made by uramex and it is aluminum (from what I understand) and below $400.

Fishbed77
April 29, 2013, 03:56 PM
Not being made of Steel and charging $400+ is a mistake IMHO.

I am sure Umarex is counting on a lot of uninformed buyers purchasing this pistol because it looks cool (and because of the Bond connection).

Of course that is the business model for pretty much all Umarex rimfire products (P22, H&K replicas, Uzi replicas, etc).

It's a real shame, because it truly waters down the Walther name, and the real Walther factory in Ulm still produces some of the world's best pistols (P99, PPQ, PPS).

Potatohead
April 29, 2013, 09:21 PM
So what about the ppk m2 5" barrel? its kind of piqued my interest of late...is it a made in germany, real deal Holyfield? or a pretender Walther? (i think its called a ppk m2 anyway)

usp9
April 29, 2013, 11:41 PM
So what about the ppk m2 5" barrel?
That's the PPQ M2, not PPK. Two totally different pistols.

Potatohead
April 30, 2013, 10:53 AM
yea my bad, ppq m2 5"....anyone know anything about it?

Fishbed77
April 30, 2013, 11:03 AM
So what about the ppk m2 5" barrel? its kind of piqued my interest of late...is it a made in germany, real deal Holyfield? or a pretender Walther? (i think its called a ppk m2 anyway)

The PPQ M2 is made by Walther at their state-of-the-art factory in Ulm, Germany.

The easy was to tell where a Walther-branded firearm is made is by the proofmarks. A pistol made by Walther in Ulm will carry the "staghorn" proof mark, as seen on this P99:

http://lundestudio.com/WaltherP99FAQ/IV/3-1.jpg


A pistol made by Umarex in Arnsberg (near Cologne) will carry the "shield with 3 crowns" proof mark, as seen on this P22:

http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j466/Pilotstever/p22proofs.jpg

B J Elliott
May 14, 2013, 09:14 PM
I just got one of these today, haven't even fired it yet, but notices the clip seems a little loose, is this normal? Just wondering, thanks.

Fishbed77
May 15, 2013, 10:06 AM
I just got one of these today, haven't even fired it yet, but notices the clip seems a little loose, is this normal? Just wondering, thanks.

The PPK/S uses a magazine. Not a clip.

Most semi-automatic magazines feel a little loose in the firearm unless they are loaded. How does it feel loaded up?

Sorry. Gotta be that guy... :)

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/attachments/firing-line/46287d1359388388-little-accesory-everyone-should-have-clip-vs-mag1.jpg

B J Elliott
May 16, 2013, 08:52 PM
Ok pardner, now tell me this, what makes a threaded barrel more desirable than a non threaded barrell, and how can one tell? Thanks.

B J Elliott
May 16, 2013, 08:56 PM
Ok, Mr one of those guys, what makes one with a threaded barrell more desirable than others, and how can one tell? :)

weblance
May 16, 2013, 11:00 PM
I have the new Silver PPK/S 22. It has shot perfectly, with one stovepipe in 550 rounds. The magazine is a little loose in the magwell. Not a concern at all. The fit and finish is very well done. It is very accurate, one ragged hole at 7 yards. The DA trigger pull is very heavy. The SA pull is light, and crisp. There is no wear after 550 rounds, and I dont see any real problems of any kind. It is not a remake of the old PPK/S 22. It is a replica. That said, it is a nice looking, nice shooting pistol. It may have a limited lifespan because of the materials it is constructed of. Or not. No one knows yet.

The barrel is threaded, because it is a thin barrel within a sleeve. The barrel is held into the sleeve/frame, by a barrel nut. This has been the recent trend with Umarex guns. The P22, Colt 1911-22, S&W M&P22, and the PPK/S 22 are all threaded/sleeved. The advantage of this set up is that by removing the barrel nut, and replacing it with an inexpensive threaded adapter made for this purpose, one can add a suppressor, or other muzzle accessory, simply, and economically. The way to tell if the barrel is captive by a barrel nut, is simply pull the slide back and look. You will see a seam about half an inch from the muzzle, and cuts machined into the nut for a wrench.

The four pistols I listed above, all make excellent suppressor hosts. The ability to add a suppressor for just the cost of the adapter($25)makes them attractive to those of us who own suppressors. Whether you like the way the way the P22 is constructed, or not, or how it functions, it remains one of the most popular .22 pistols to suppress.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/weblance/Picture002Medium-2_zps5d826e0e.jpg (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/weblance/media/Picture002Medium-2_zps5d826e0e.jpg.html)

TennJed
May 16, 2013, 11:59 PM
Weblance, what kind of ammo have you put through it

Hanshi
May 17, 2013, 12:22 AM
I've had a Walther PPK/s .22LR for over 30 years; a blued model "Manurhin" model. All steel, accurate and reliable. I love that little gun.

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt74/hanshi_photo/PICT0638.jpg (http://s599.photobucket.com/user/hanshi_photo/media/PICT0638.jpg.html)
Top: .380 / middle: .22LR / bottom: prewar .32 PPK.

weblance
May 17, 2013, 12:22 AM
Blazer Bulk, Federal Bulk, and CCI Standard Velocity.

gbw
May 17, 2013, 02:50 AM
I have an older PPK .22 (not PPK/s),German made of course, though oddly it is not marked Made in W. Germany.

Very nice little pistol, quite accurate. Reliable but only with HS ammo. Probably one of the nicest finished from the factory guns I own - beautiful. I'll be interested to see one of these new versions.

B J Elliott
May 17, 2013, 06:31 PM
I have the new Silver PPK/S 22. It has shot perfectly, with one stovepipe in 550 rounds. The magazine is a little loose in the magwell. Not a concern at all. The fit and finish is very well done. It is very accurate, one ragged hole at 7 yards. The DA trigger pull is very heavy. The SA pull is light, and crisp. There is no wear after 550 rounds, and I dont see any real problems of any kind. It is not a remake of the old PPK/S 22. It is a replica. That said, it is a nice looking, nice shooting pistol. It may have a limited lifespan because of the materials it is constructed of. Or not. No one knows yet.

The barrel is threaded, because it is a thin barrel within a sleeve. The barrel is held into the sleeve/frame, by a barrel nut. This has been the recent trend with Umarex guns. The P22, Colt 1911-22, S&W M&P22, and the PPK/S 22 are all threaded/sleeved. The advantage of this set up is that by removing the barrel nut, and replacing it with an inexpensive threaded adapter made for this purpose, one can add a suppressor, or other muzzle accessory, simply, and economically. The way to tell if the barrel is captive by a barrel nut, is simply pull the slide back and look. You will see a seam about half an inch from the muzzle, and cuts machined into the nut for a wrench.

The four pistols I listed above, all make excellent suppressor hosts. The ability to add a suppressor for just the cost of the adapter($25)makes them attractive to those of us who own suppressors. Whether you like the way the way the P22 is constructed, or not, or how it functions, it remains one of the most popular .22 pistols to suppress.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/weblance/Picture002Medium-2_zps5d826e0e.jpg (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/weblance/media/Picture002Medium-2_zps5d826e0e.jpg.html)
Really good information, thank you very much.

Kiln
May 18, 2013, 07:51 PM
I don't like that price tag on a zamak gun. Zamak in the Phoenix HP22 for $150? Sure. Zamak in a $400 Walther? No thanks.

weblance
May 18, 2013, 08:20 PM
Dont buy it then... Youve said that 3 times in this thread. We get it...

Kiln
May 19, 2013, 12:12 AM
Dont buy it then... Youve said that 3 times in this thread. We get it...
I apologize. I just hope you get to enjoy your $400 Saturday Night Special before it has some sort of failure that renders it useless like my Walther P22.

danez71
May 19, 2013, 12:30 PM
Don't let the bitterness consume you...

You've let your opinion be known.

Let it go Kiln... let it go.

tactlt
May 19, 2013, 12:45 PM
I have an original german from about '68 and love it.
If these are actually something other than Walthers made in Germany I'd opt to buy an old one instead and if your want, have it nickeled or hard chromed.
That would actually enable you to buy one that is in poor cosmetic shape and save some $$ even after throwing some nickel/chrome or Robar on uit

tactlt
May 19, 2013, 12:53 PM
Never thought much of those P22's...always seemed like a cheap substitute for a real PPK but I guess Walther had to build something for the cheaper demographic. Im glad to see they're making the PPK in 22 again. I hope it pans out to be as good as the originals.

Fishbed77
May 19, 2013, 04:59 PM
I guess Walther had to build something for the cheaper demographic. Im glad to see they're making the PPK in 22 again. I hope it pans out to be as good as the originals.

As previously mentioned, Walther is not making these pistols. Umarex is.

It's also not really correct to call it a "PPK in 22." It's more of a PPK replica. The materials used and design of the firearm is very different from a real PPK (including the older all-steel .22LR PPKs).

weblance
May 20, 2013, 04:17 PM
Walther is calling it a PPK/S in 22. In your humble opinion... What would you like us to call it ? SERIOUSLY?

Fishbed77
May 20, 2013, 06:16 PM
Walther is calling it a PPK/S in 22. In your humble opinion... What would you like us to call it ? SERIOUSLY?

Weblance, My answer was in response to tactlt's comment:

Im glad to see they're making the PPK in 22 again.

I'm simply noting that Walther is not making the PPK in 22 again. Umarex is making a new pistol of a new design that looks like the old .22LR PPK and is called the "PPK/S 22."

Grunow82
March 10, 2014, 12:39 AM
I see thread adapters for the P22 quite commonly but have not seen one for the PPk/s. Will the same adapter work for both guns? If not where did you find the adapter for the PPK? Thanks!l

Grunow82
March 10, 2014, 12:40 AM
Really good information, thank you very much.
I see thread adapters for the P22 quite commonly but have not seen one for the PPk/s. Will the same adapter work for both guns? If not where did you find the adapter for the PPK? Thanks!l

rcmodel
March 10, 2014, 12:49 AM
No.

Not even close.

The P22 uses a threaded barrel muzzle to hold the barrel liner inside the frame with a threaded nut on the end.

The PPK/S barrel is a real barrel, really fit in a projection molded as a part of the frame.
So it doesn't need a threaded muzzle like the P22 to hold the barrel liner in place, and doesn't have a threaded barrel.

rc

sig228
March 10, 2014, 01:19 AM
Rc, not sure about the old ppk/s 22lr pistols, but the new ones do, indeed have a threaded barrel. Gemtech, among others, sells the adapter for a suppressor. And yes, it is the same as the p22.

http://www.gem-tech.com/store/pc/Walther-P22-S-W-M-P22-Adapter-p21.htm

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