9mm cases not ejecting.


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Muddydogs
April 27, 2013, 06:01 PM
I loaded up some Lee 105 SWC, 5.7 grains of Unique, mixed head stamp brass.

I started to test the load and found that 1 out of 5 cases would not eject from the Glock 26. What it looks like is happening is the extractor is not catching the brass, the slide comes back and strips another round off the mag which of course hits the case that's already in the chamber. I dropped the mag and can slide the case out of the chamber with my fingernail. This happened on 3 5 round strings then the last 6 round string cycled just fine. I have some military head stamps mixed in with commercial brass and I didn't think to look at the head stamps of the offending cases. Any ideas what might be causing this? Yes I checked the brass and it is all 9mm, no .380s by mistake. Shot 15 rounds out of a Ruger P95 with no issues.

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Grumulkin
April 27, 2013, 07:18 PM
You might try replaceing the recoil spring; it's easy, cheap and might solve your problem.

I haven't checked your load with a load book but in some guns, a light load or light bullets don't provide enough recoil to cycle the action. I don't know if that applies to your load.

kevinakaq
April 27, 2013, 07:25 PM
First time post, but i went through a similiar problem last week with a new Bersa Bp9cc. I was using 102 grain lee bullets in 9mm. At first I loaded up with Power Pistol at 5.7 grains and had quite a few stove pipes and failure to eject. About one every six. I then tried 6.1 gr PP (using .57 cc Lee Pro Auto Disk) and had zero problems. And btw finding data for this weight in 9mm lead is quite difficult. I then tried Unique as it is one of my favorite powders. It was the worse of the bunch at 5.4 grains. It had a failure to eject almost everytime...this load is very close to your 5.7 grain load. I ran the rounds over the chronograph and the 5.4 grains Unique came in around 1020 fps. The 5.7 grains of PP came in at 1100 or so if memories serves. I found that 6.1 PP averaged 1173 which consistently worked the action flawlessly. I have since put two hundred rounds of 6.1 PP pushing the 102 grain lead bullet with zero issues. In short, i think you need a bit more umf to push that light bullet and get the necessary pressure to work the action. Please remember i'm by no means an expert, but this was my experience last week which was conducted over days of research, reading and testing. Don't know if it applies in your case, but hope it helps.

Mobuck
April 27, 2013, 07:43 PM
Ditch the Glock and use the Ruger. Only reason to use a Glock in the first place is if you don't have a Ruger.

Muddydogs
April 27, 2013, 08:09 PM
This is for a buddy, there his pistols. I prefer the .40 and XD's but his Glock isn't bad either. The load is a light load, I used Lyman 102 grain data as a start load, there bottom load is 5.7 grains of Unique. My cast bullets are dropping at 108 grains. I was worried about the SWC causing feed problems but they have no problems feeding. So if the load is light would that effect ejection? The slide is coming all the way back and picking up a round causing a stove pipe.

kevinakaq
April 27, 2013, 08:15 PM
Absolutely, i would move to a mid range or higher load for a lighter bullet. At least it solved my problems. I read somewhere during my research last week that exact thing and it fixed me up quick fast and in a hurry.

engineermike
April 27, 2013, 08:20 PM
Although I was shooting an XDM 40 and a Walther PPS 9mm I found that shooting to lite a load would cause the same effect. If you are shooting lite loads then bump up the powder a few grains and if not lite loads try exchanging the spring.

kingmt
April 27, 2013, 08:45 PM
Huh the noobs have became the teachers. Cool.

bds
April 27, 2013, 09:16 PM
9mm cases not ejecting - Lee 105 SWC, 5.7 grains of Unique, mixed head stamp brass.

1 out of 5 cases would not eject from the Glock 26. What it looks like is happening is the extractor is not catching the brass, the slide comes back and strips another round off the mag

... can slide the case out of the chamber with my fingernail

... all 9mm ... brass
I would first check to see if you have an extractor issue or worn case rim.

When the spent case fails to extract, lock the slide back/drop the magazine then release the slide. Then manually pull the slide back and lock the slide back. If the spent case doesn't extract, I would inspect the case where extractor contacts and the extractor.

rcmodel
April 27, 2013, 09:26 PM
The Lee 105 Lead bullet is designed for the .380 ACP cartridge.

Most all 9mm pistols are designed to work with the recoil impulse of a 115 - 124 grain bullet at full charge power & pressure.

You either need a heavier bullet the gun was designed to work with.
Or enough powder to increase the pressure / recoil impulse to a level that will operate the gun.

One, the other, or both.

rc

bds
April 27, 2013, 09:30 PM
rcmodel, I thought about that at first but the OP posted the same load operated the Ruger P95 without issues. I have shot both pistols and do realize G26 may have different rate recoil spring assembly but IIRC, the P95 is a 3.9" barrel pistol with fairly stiff recoil spring. That's why I suggested the OP look at the extractor/case.
Shot 15 rounds out of a Ruger P95 with no issues.

Apparently, the powder charge is enough to push the slide back far enough to strip another round from the magazine but the spent case is remaining in the chamber.
What it looks like is happening is the extractor is not catching the brass, the slide comes back and strips another round off the mag which of course hits the case that's already in the chamber. I dropped the mag and can slide the case out of the chamber with my fingernail.

rcmodel
April 27, 2013, 09:39 PM
You are correct.

But a Ruger P95 is a full size service pistol that will shoot a wide range of bullet weights and pressure levels without problems.

The Glock 26 is a sub-compact with much stiffer recoil springs, due to less slide weight, and is not as forgiving when it comes to 'standard 9mm bullet weight' recoil impulse.

rc

kevinakaq
April 27, 2013, 09:41 PM
I went out to the cave and loaded up ten rounds of 102 with 5.7 unique to test. Had two stove pipes and one failure to extract...the bersa does have a very stiff action as well...

bds
April 27, 2013, 09:45 PM
kevinakaq, OP's offending spent cases are still in the chamber. Are you having the same issue as the OP?
the slide comes back and strips another round off the mag which of course hits the case that's already in the chamber.
I have seen this when using 40-9 conversion barrels where the extractor can't get enough grip on the case rim to extract the spent cases. I am more puzzled because the P95 (with a different extractor) extracted the same loads without issues.


rcmodel, so the slide is coming back far enough to strip another round from the magazine but not far enough for the case to hit the ejector?

I just checked my Glocks and all the ejectors are forward of the back of the rounds in the magazine. The only way I can see a round being stripped from the magazine by the slide rib and be pushed behind the spent case in the chamber is if the spent case never got extracted. If the OP's spent cases were being stove piped, I would agree with insufficient powder charge.

Am I missing something?

kevinakaq
April 27, 2013, 10:02 PM
Both, sorry for my explanation specificity... I need to catch up on the jargon. The one did not fully withdraw from the chamber and the other two stove piped. I think the action just didnt retract enough to fully eject the brass. When i used 5.4 unique the other day they consistently failed to extract fully from the chamber. Everything i read matched what rc said. The concealed weapons have a much stiffer action and need a heavier powder charge for the really light bullets. I'm in for the evening but i would bet my bottom dollar a few grains more would solve it entirely. I just went with the Power Pistol ecause it worked and i liked the way the load felt under fire. Met my needs. Will test 6 gr unique tomorrow as i am down to one pound of pp and have lots of unique...

Muddydogs
April 27, 2013, 10:02 PM
The slide is coming back all the way to pick up another round but its leaving the case in the chamber, the case is not getting pulled out of firing position just like the extractor didn't engage the case rim. I did remove one case by dropping the mag, sending the slide forward and ejecting the case. The other 2 I just stuck my fingernail on the case and pulled it out of the chamber.

Sounds like I need to set it up, think I will try 6 grains up to 6.5 grains and see what I come up with. Wanted to keep these a light target money saver load. I load this same bullets in .38 and as soon as the .380 dies show up I'm going to give them a go in the Ruger LCP.

Thanks for the help guys.

rcmodel
April 27, 2013, 10:15 PM
If you are trying to go cheap??

Light bullets and medium burn rate powder like Unique is not it.

You can use Unique with standard weight bullets at standard, or +P pressure, and it will give you full performance.

Or use it for full power loads with lighter then standard weight bullets, but at full pressure loads.

But if you insist on using a too light bullet, use a faster powder to get more recoil impulse to operate the gun. Like Bullseye, Clays, Tite-group, W231 or something.


Test your loads by loading one round in the magazine and firing it.

If the slide locks open, you have enough recoil impulse to work the slide to full cycle open.

If it fails to lock open all the time or sometimes?
You don't.

rc

Muddydogs
April 27, 2013, 10:30 PM
Not stuck on the bullet all I need is another mold. I am stuck on Unique as thats my pistol powder and I'm not playing the panic game right now.

I guess what I am not understanding with worrying about the slide locking back is the slide is picking up a round out of the mag so its traveling at least that far but the case is not being pulled from the chamber to start with. And between 2 of us we did run the pistol dry 5 or 6 times and the slide did lock back each time when run empty so the load is functioning the slide to lock back.

rcmodel
April 27, 2013, 11:13 PM
Well, if it locks open on an empty mag every time it runs dry?

Then I'd look at extractor hook & spring & plunger issues.

Not handload issues.

Case expansion, or not, due to low or high pressure should not cause the extractor to stop working.

If the slide is cycling fully to the rear, and not putting the empty case back in the chamber before the ejector cannot knock it out of the gun.

rc

bds
April 28, 2013, 12:14 AM
The slide is coming back all the way to pick up another round but its leaving the case in the chamber, the case is not getting pulled out of firing position just like the extractor didn't engage the case rim

we did run the pistol dry 5 or 6 times and the slide did lock back each time when run empty so the load is functioning the slide to lock back.
I would try the same load in different Glocks and if the extraction problem cannot be duplicated, I would be suspicious of the extractor.

I would test some factory loads (yeah, if you can find some :rolleyes:) or other "known reliable" reloads and if the extraction issue continues, I would contact Glock customer service.


Here's Randy Lee of Apex Tactical commenting about some 9mm Glock extractor problems - http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=92447
The Gen 4 extractors I have seen have a secondary angle on the hook that is not present on the older extractors. My assumption (I have not spoken to any of the engineers at Glock) is that the secondary angle allows for less resistance against the feeding case as it slides up underneath the extractor hook. As the cartridge begins its entrance into the chamber throat, the back of the case must change from a point contact (12:00 position of the case head) to flush and parallel with the breechface. The new extractor angle helps with this aspect, but can lead to other problems during the extraction phase.

As the barrel unlocks and ramps downward it impacts the locking insert in the frame. The barrel essentially bounces. Add this force to the torque forces imparted by the rifling and there can be enough transmitted shock to bump the extractor claw as it tries to pull the spent case from the chamber. The secondary angle on the Gen 4 extractor while making it easier for the case to slip up and under the hook during feeding, now applies force to the case rim by pushing it down and away from the optimal contact point making it easier for the case to slip away from the claw.

The earlier extractor versions ... have claws that are parallel with the side wall of the breech face. This means that the ejector is nearly always applying a force that is perpendicular to the breech side wall, and at the 3:00 position of the case no matter how low the case travels down the breech face during extraction and ejection.
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As the barrel unlocks, it drags the case down the breech face. During this transition, the claw must have consistent side contact with the case rim until the ejector imparts adequate spin to flip the case up and out of the port. I find that the angled claw makes the time of release more variable and prone to skipping over the rim. I believe that somewhere in one of the threads there is a picture of a case that shows a nick where the extractor lost full contact and left the case in the chamber.


Keep in mind that more and more Glocks are now made in the USA ;)
I have 2 very early Gen4 G17 with no problems at all but my recent 19 has had some failure to extract
There are tolerance variations from gun to gun, but also in component fabrication. I don't know where Glock is having their extractors manufactured, but from some descriptions, it seems that they may be from differing vendors or at least molds.

Grumulkin
April 28, 2013, 02:50 AM
NOTE: If a Glock has a weak recoil spring you will get failures to eject even if you're not shooting light loads.

Muddydogs
April 28, 2013, 07:10 AM
I'm going to try ramping up the load a little, it shoots factory fine, the pistol is a year or so old and has probably only had a couple hundred rounds through it. I'm sure its my reload I just didn't understand why it was leaving the case in the chamber but it looks like this can be caused by an under powered load, from what I have been reading and a couple posts on this thread. It seams like my load is probably right on the edge of functioning and with a little powder thrower variation it makes sense.

rodregier
April 28, 2013, 07:21 AM
Test with factory to confirm function. If it functions ok with factory, its probably the reload loading is simply too light. Glocks are sprung for full power loadings. "Starting" or light loads with the 105g are unlikely to create proper function in a Glock.

kingmt
April 28, 2013, 08:55 AM
A tight grip might help also. The Glock it's very picky in that. A relaxed wrest will cause a empty to get shoved right back into the chamber.

My P95 will function on loads that the Glock refuses to work with.

bds
April 28, 2013, 11:24 AM
My P95 will function on loads that the Glock refuses to work with.
I would tend to agree until OP posted that the reloads locked the Glock slide back.
we did run the pistol dry 5 or 6 times and the slide did lock back each time when run empty so the load is functioning the slide to lock back

That's why I suggested OP try some factory loads or other "known reliable" reloads
I would test some factory loads or other "known reliable" reloads

But now OP posts factory load shot fine ... :uhoh:
it shoots factory fine, the pistol is a year or so old and has probably only had a couple hundred rounds through it.
If the reloads are locking the slide back on the last round, I think you have enough powder charge but if you are not experiencing the same problem with factory rounds, how about looking at another issue?

Unique is a larger flake powder and meters inconsisntently (up to .2-.3 gr variation) for my powder measure. I don't know whether you weighed the 5.7 gr powder charges or used a powder measure, but if you had some lighter charge loads among your 5.7 gr loads, it could explain why most of the loads had enough powder charge to lock the slide back but some loads failed to extract the case from the chamber (slide pulls back but not far back enough to hit the ejector and inserts the spent case back in the chamber).


I am still puzzled because if your slide stripped another round from the magazine and the spent case was in the chamber, it would mean the extractor did not grip the spent case rim to pull it out of the chamber.

When you experience failure to extract, is the slide always stripping another round from the magazine? If that's the case, I would look at the extractor.

If you are experiencing failure to extract with just the spent case in the chamber, it would be lighter powder charge load.

And you could be experiencing both issues ...

kingmt
April 28, 2013, 02:53 PM
I still think it is a mix of light charge & limp wrest/lose grip.

Muddydogs
April 28, 2013, 06:37 PM
Defiantly not a limp wrist. I shoot a few thousand rounds out of a Kahr, XD and LCP a year not to mention the mag six guns. I may have a low left problem but I don't have a grip problem.

Pistol functions fine until these reloads, the smart thing to do is focus there. I will let you know what happens with a little more charge.

bds
April 28, 2013, 06:45 PM
Pistol functions fine until these reloads
Well, then we are back to the reloads. :D

GLOOB
April 28, 2013, 06:50 PM
Title should be "9mm cases not EXTRACTING." Maybe a mod could fix this?

Muddy, I've have the exact same problems with my G27. With 40SW and 9mm (LW conversion). Always when I'm exploring top end load data. Same "problem" loads always work fine in all my other handguns, including the G26/7's bigger brothers. Most recently I had this happen with a 125 gr 9mm cast load with Unique that was on the hot side (IIRC, I was using 5.05gr Unique, which is slightly beyond max according to some sources). And, FYI, my recoil AND extractor springs were replaced recently, less than 1k rounds on them.

This baby Glock can barely handle its business when everything is right; it has a light slide and the Glock action unlocks VERY quickly.* When the recoil spring starts to wear out (in as little as 1-2k rounds with full power ammo), or you otherwise overstep its bounds, the gun is unlocking while pressures are still too high for the extractor to remove the case. I.e., the pressure is still too high, case walls are being pushed against the chamber, static friction is high, extractor loses the battle, and case gets left in the chamber.

I dunno where you got your load info for this unusual bullet weight. Instinctively, it seems reasonable. But I am 99% sure your load is too hot for your gun. Try backing off a little on the charge. Or change to a faster powder for cast bullets, specifically. If you go up on the charge, I guarantee your problem will be worse and possibly even dangerous.

*Also, the Glock design has a quirk where the extractor tension actually oscillates in the moments after the slide starts to move. And it can decrease at the moment it pulls against a stuck case. If you understand physics, you will understand this; and how the lighter the slide, the greater will be this effect. Google and read about White Sound HRED for more info. I haven't tried the HRED, so I dunno if it works or not. Backing off on charge has always worked for me.

Jeepman007
April 28, 2013, 08:47 PM
I am experiencing the exact issue the Op is. Only difference is 124gr in a G19.

Using Unique and a LoadMaster I started with a drop of 4.7g, went to the range and out of a box of 50, had 5 failures to extract. Would drop the slide on the rnd without stripping. But extremely accurate and comfortable to shoot. (heavy stripling on the handle)

I bumped the load to the next disk size which gave me 5.7g. (this is the max load for this bullet based on Alliant Powders site) This had the same effect although I was double feeding with the spent shell still in the chamber.
Also, the recoil was on the +p side, hand was taking a beating. After 5rnds I felt it was to much recoil, and I had my reservations due to the amount of space in the casing the powder took up.

I ordered the adjustable powder drop and turned out 50rnds with 5g thinking this would be a good point in between what I was experiencing.

Today I went to the range and out of the 50, had the same double feed issue. Cases still in chanber, round trying to feed.

I just started reloading at the first of the year and used the Unique in my 45 M&P with 200g lead rnd nose w/ 5.7g drops. It works fantastic. Several hundred rnds fired without 1 issue. And right on the money. Actually more accurate than factory.

After reading this posting, I am starting to think Unique is maybe not a good powder for 9mm. The pressures might not be coming down fast enough with the recoil impulse causing the case to stick the moment of release causing the extractor to jump the rim.

I put 50rnds of factory thru it right after without any issue. And this gun has never given any issue. 13k rnds and counting. Only my reloads are an issue.

Hope my input adds value to the post.

bds
April 28, 2013, 09:01 PM
I am experiencing the exact issue the Op is. Only difference is 124gr in a G19.

Unique ... 4.7g, ... box of 50, ... 5 failures to extract. Would drop the slide on the rnd without stripping.

5.7g. ... had the same effect ... double feeding with the spent shell still in the chamber ... recoil was on the +p side ... I felt it was to much recoil, and I had my reservations due to the amount of space in the casing the powder took up.

50 rnds with 5g ... had the same double feed issue. Cases still in chanber, round trying to feed.

I put 50rnds of factory thru it right after without any issue. And this gun has never given any issue. 13k rnds and counting. Only my reloads are an issue.
Interesting ... :confused:

After reading this posting, I am starting to think Unique is maybe not a good powder for 9mm. The pressures might not be coming down fast enough with the recoil impulse causing the case to stick the moment of release causing the extractor to jump the rim.

Have you experienced same extraction issue with other powder reloads?

Jeepman007
April 28, 2013, 09:09 PM
Unfortunately I started reloading after all the stupidity broke out. I had been collecting powder/primers/projectiles for the last year and Unique is the only handgun powder I have.

And with the fantastic 45ACP reloads, I happened upon 8lbs recently and jumped on it. Wish now I would have grabbed one of the other handgun powders they had for the 9mm.

Just leaves more 45 shooting. :-)

I'm going to see if one of my friends are interested in trading or selling some of their handgun powder.

Jeepman007
April 28, 2013, 09:11 PM
Interesting ... :confused:



Have you experienced same extraction issue with other powder reloads?
Just to reiterate, never 1 issue with any factory loaded ammo. Everything from Federal/Winchester/PMC and even Wolf to name a few I have put thru it over the years.

GLOOB
April 28, 2013, 09:29 PM
Jeep man. Wild guess. Are u using rainiers bullets?

Anyway. It sounds to me u can afford to double check your scale. If 5 gr behind 124 jacketed bullet is making your G19 choke like that, something is wrong, somewhere.

Jeepman007
April 28, 2013, 09:35 PM
Jeep man. Wild guess. Are u using rainiers bullets?

Anyway. It sounds to me u can afford to double check your scale. If 5 gr behind 124 jacketed bullet is making your G19 choke like that, something is wrong, somewhere.
They are from Youngs Enterprises out of Orange City FL

I have a Hornady digital and an old beam scale that I check everything with initially. Both have reported the same weights.

I'm still somewhat concerned about the case volume. 5g still seems a bit full.

Gonna try 4.8 next.

bds
April 28, 2013, 10:06 PM
Well, at this point, if OP's and Jeepman007's Glocks worked well with factory rounds but only experienced the "same" issue of spent case not extracting while the slide cycled enough to strip another round from the magazine with only Unique powder loads, I would suspect the reloads.

It would be nice if they had other powders to do comparison range tests with but looks like that may not be an option for the moment.

Any users of Unique and 9mm experience similar problems with Glocks?

GLOOB
April 29, 2013, 12:11 AM
Jeep. Those look like plated bullets. I bet they're thin skinned too. Like Rainiers. I'd try using cast lead load data.

Bds yeah just leave me out. Its not like I didn't have the same problem, same gun, cast bullets, and with Unique, all like OP.

bds
April 29, 2013, 12:30 AM
I've have the exact same problems with my G27. With 40SW and 9mm (LW conversion). Always when I'm exploring top end load data. Same "problem" loads always work fine in all my other handguns, including the G26/7's bigger brothers. Most recently I had this happen with a 125 gr 9mm cast load with Unique that was on the hot side ...

... same problem, same gun, cast bullets, and with Unique, all like OP
So you had the same extraction problem with other powders than Unique?

Did you have the same extraction problem with factory load too?

GLOOB
April 29, 2013, 03:46 AM
Factory loads were fine. I also had same issue with autocomp powder in 40SW configuration. But both times I found out I was just a little over max. First time I was loading rainiers with jacketed data. And the last time I guestimated a cast load by backing 10% off my jacketed load. and found later that was over max. Too hot for the lil G26.

I stated my hypothesis in post #29. I might be missing some details but I think I got a pretty good explantation.

ArchAngelCD
April 29, 2013, 04:44 AM
I'm loading a 124gr FMJ bullet over W231 and shooting them in a Glock 19 without any issues. I haven't shot any Longshot or HS-6 loads in the Glock yet so I can't say how the slower powders will perform. I didn't shoot any lead in the Glock yet either and I've only shot 300 rounds or so in this gun, it's new...

bds
April 29, 2013, 07:35 AM
How about this?

If other THR members have Glock 26, 115/124/125 gr bullets and Unique, if you could try to duplicate failure to extract issues posted on this thread?
Slide strips another round from the magazine but the spent case is still in the chamber


I no longer have a G26 and never loaded it with Unique. I have G27/G23/G22 with 40-9 conversion barrels but 40S&W extractor and 9mm case may be an issue so it would not be a duplication of failure to extract.

Jeepman007
April 29, 2013, 12:41 PM
I sent out an email to my shooting group here looking for some other handgun powder to test. Will hopefully have something to test this week.

GLOOB
April 29, 2013, 01:15 PM
If other THR members have Glock 26, 115/124/125 gr bullets and Unique
If they stick to modern load info, they'll be fine.

OP was using what's probably ancient Lyman load info on an unusual 105gr SWC. I bet it's too hot, is all. Or being a SWC, maybe the info was tailored for a 9mm revolver. (Revolvers have to watch for peak pressure is all, not cycling momentum). And/or maybe it's just time for him to change some springs in the lil G26.

Jeep was using jacketed data to load plated bullets. And he started at the max. I've been there and done that with the same results. Even when he dropped down to 5 gr, that's still over max for a 124 gr CAST bullet, and there's possibly some stress to the extractor spring already done. Some plated bullets have a thicker plate and can be shot like jacketed, but maybe Jeep's bullets aren't so thick. Still, I'm a bit surprised since he was using the larger G19.

I'm confident this doesn't have anything to do with Unique. It's all I shoot with my 115 JHPs and my 124 gr Berrys (for which I do use jacketed data, unlike Rainiers). And my 180 gr cast 40SW loads. Nary a problem in my Glock 26/7/19 when sticking to the books.

Jeepman007
April 29, 2013, 03:44 PM
If they stick to modern load info, they'll be fine.

OP was using what's probably ancient Lyman load info on an unusual 105gr SWC. I bet it's too hot, is all. Or being a SWC, maybe the info was tailored for a 9mm revolver. (Revolvers have to watch for peak pressure is all, not cycling momentum). And/or maybe it's just time for him to change some springs in the lil G26.

Jeep was using jacketed data to load plated bullets. And he started at the max. I've been there and done that with the same results. Even when he dropped down to 5 gr, that's still over max for a 124 gr CAST bullet, and there's possibly some stress to the extractor spring already done. Some plated bullets have a thicker plate and can be shot like jacketed, but maybe Jeep's bullets aren't so thick. Still, I'm a bit surprised since he was using the larger G19.

I'm confident this doesn't have anything to do with Unique. It's all I shoot with my 115 JHPs and my 124 gr Berrys (for which I do use jacketed data, unlike Rainiers). And my 180 gr cast 40SW loads. Nary a problem in my Glock 26/7/19 when sticking to the books.
You might be correct. Gonna try to lower the powder down and pay more attention to the results if I have the same feeding issues. Being the first run was with 4.7, I may have thought under powered but may have been over powered. Will let ya know the results.

Muddydogs
April 29, 2013, 03:49 PM
If they stick to modern load info, they'll be fine.

OP was using what's probably ancient Lyman load info on an unusual 105gr SWC. I bet it's too hot, is all. Or being a SWC, maybe the info was tailored for a 9mm revolver. (Revolvers have to watch for peak pressure is all, not cycling momentum). And/or maybe it's just time for him to change some springs in the lil G26.

Why does everyone assume that everyone else is an idiot or has no idea what there doing? I took the load out of the new Layman cast load book and if you would have read my posts you would have seen that I used the 102 round nose data for my 108 SWC and used the starting load of 5.7 grains. The load is a light load with light recoil so how could it be to hot.

Also why would I rebuild the engine and tranny in my truck when the blinker isn't working? Lets start with the one thing that changed and look at that, pistol functions fine with factory rounds but FTF with reloads so the springs must have went bad between a factory round and a reload.

As for Unique powder I have shot thousands of rounds loaded with Unique and never had a problem with function or the supposed dirty powder.

Not trying to be an *** and I appreciate the in site as to why the pistol is not extracting a case when the slide is obviously cycling fully.

By the way the Lee 105 swc is not unusual and has been around a long time. Guys are running them as a light load in 9mm and 38. Some are even playing around with them in there 380's

bds
April 29, 2013, 03:52 PM
So if "too much powder charge"is the reason for failure to extract, how does it explain heavy factory loads not causing extraction issues.

I have shot plenty of +P ammo through Gen3 Glock 26/27+LW conversion barrel without extraction issue expressed on this thread.

evan price
April 29, 2013, 04:27 PM
I load the Lee 105-swc in 9mm but I use Promo which is Red Dot speed.
Today, sat down and cast a thousand more of the little 105-SWC boolit. Once I get that 6-cavity mold going it just chugs them out.
Lead was Range scrap approx. BHN 12.
Tumble-lubed in 50-50 ALOX & mineral spirits before and after sizing.
Sized with Lee push-through sizer .357, which leaves them .356" and just right.
Loaded over 4.8 grains of PROMO powder in nickel range brass and Wolf SP primers.
Nice shooting load, accurate, clean burning, no leading to see, ejected brass looked almost unfired.

Centaur 1
April 29, 2013, 04:28 PM
I gave up trying to use the Lee 105gr in the 9mm and .380acp. No matter what I tried I couldn't get 100% reliability with it. Now I just use the swc in my .38's, and I use the ranch dog 100gr bullet in my semi-auto's. In my G26 I've gone all the way down to 4gr Unique with no problems.

bds
April 29, 2013, 04:43 PM
So we have gone from extractor to Unique powder charge to bullet.

Are we making any progress explaining why OP's G26 is not extracting the spent case while the slide is stripping the round from the magazine and powder charge is enough to lock the slide back? :confused:

THe Dove
April 29, 2013, 05:07 PM
Why does everyone assume that everyone else is an idiot or has no idea what there doing?

Have you read some of the questions/posts on the reloading section of THR site?

The Dove

GLOOB
April 29, 2013, 06:34 PM
When I had same issue with 5 grains behind 125gr cast bullet, the recoil was very light. I've shot much hotter ammo that worked fine. Weird yes. But there's no other explanation. If the slide is cycling all the way, but the case is still in the chamber, then u back off on charge. Why on earth would u increase it? What would that fix?

Now it might be you just can't get a load that works with this powder, bullet, and gun. Like Centaur 1.

If that's the case, you might wanna try a faster powder, as I have already suggested in a previous post. Your bullets are light, and they're cast. And you're using a G26, which has characteristics which I've already described. All these things suggest that a faster powder might work better. Seems like Red Dot works well for evans price.

OP, I'm not assuming you are an idiot, nor that you aren't using proper load data. I'm just guessing that load data is wrong for your gun. I've already given this issue a lot of thought, since experiencing it myself. Just sharing, and hopefully helping in the end.

Are we making any progress explaining why OP's G26 is not extracting the spent case while the slide is stripping the round from the magazine and powder charge is enough to lock the slide back? If you completely ignore a fairly comprehensive and detailed explanation which has already been posted without even making an argument against it, good luck with the progress! :)

engineermike
April 30, 2013, 11:17 PM
Muddydogs; have you noticed if some the cases that do eject come straight back and maybe hit you in the head once in a while? I am serious, I find that when I am having troubles with to light a load a few of the cases are coming back at me instead of flying off to the right like they should.

Keeperfaith
April 30, 2013, 11:56 PM
I haven't read all the other posts. But it sounds like your extractor in your Glock may be worn out and not grabbing the spent cartridges. The Glock extractors are not as robust as S & W M&P semi-auto's.

I hope this helps.

Try shooting a few factory loads and see if you have the same results.

Steve

Muddydogs
May 1, 2013, 08:37 AM
Muddydogs; have you noticed if some the cases that do eject come straight back and maybe hit you in the head once in a while? I am serious, I find that when I am having troubles with to light a load a few of the cases are coming back at me instead of flying off to the right like they should.

Why yes I remember 1 case landing on the top of my hat. Easy to find the brass when its on your hat.

Turkey season is in full swing so I have not got to try a little more powder yet but plan to this weekend. My 380 dies showed up and I loaded up a test batch and plan to shoot them as well as the 9mm on Saturday. The Lee 358 105 SWC's seam to feed better in the 380 lcp then in either of the 9mm's I tried them in.

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