Poachers gun?


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Jurist
April 28, 2013, 06:25 PM
Went to a V.F.W. gun show today and saw a strange gun.The vendor said they were marketed by Remington and Savage in the past.
It could have passed for a Browning SA Takedown,but was not a takedown model.It also had a threaded muzzle with a very nice endcap which was knurled and blued same diameter as the bbl.Nice walnut non checkered stock.Deep black bluing similar to a Colt Python,was asking $500.00,I passed on it,don't need another 22 but if he would have taken $375.00 yea I would have taken it.
Does anyone know of this gun?.

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EmbarkChief
April 28, 2013, 08:16 PM
Remington Speedmaster?

Jurist
April 28, 2013, 08:39 PM
Speedmaster is not the answer,I know that gun.Speedmaster has a much larger footprint.This gun has s slimmer receiver,shorter in length and height than the speedmaster.Thanks for responding.

Oklacoyotekiller
April 28, 2013, 09:00 PM
If i remember right, remington built a rifle on the browning patent

Jurist
April 28, 2013, 09:11 PM
Excuse my ignorance EmbarkChief you are correct,I found the gun on the net and it is the Remington model 241,a Browning pattern mfg by Remington from 1935/1949 as the Speedmaster.Thanks for the help.Hate to say it but I should have haggled.

Ron James
April 28, 2013, 09:46 PM
What is a Poacher's gun?

EmbarkChief
April 28, 2013, 10:22 PM
They got that reputation because a suppressor was made that fit over the front sight post of he Browning with no threads. That and the fact that it was a "takedown" design along with the quick detach made it easily transferable.

49north
April 28, 2013, 10:22 PM
22 is the poacher's friend.

Ron James
April 28, 2013, 11:34 PM
If you say so, however I have known quite a few poachers including poachers in the Everglades, none of them ever used a suppressor or silencer.
They used a standard .22 for their work, for gators, 22 short was used on gators ( between the eyes ). The old boys I knew didn't even know what a suppressor was and most of their firearms were beat up old relics { in case they had to throw them away in the water or brush }. I would have to say the gun mentioned is just a toy.:eek:

EmbarkChief
April 29, 2013, 02:22 AM
I should have mentioned that from what I understand the "poacher" reference comes from Europe...

Ron James
April 29, 2013, 10:38 AM
Thanks, I can understand that.

Coyote3855
April 29, 2013, 08:49 PM
The http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j467/Inusuit/005-6.jpg (http://s1087.photobucket.com/user/Inusuit/media/005-6.jpg.html)Remington Model 241 is a takedown, btw.

Jim K
May 1, 2013, 10:45 PM
Someone was either having fun or showing his ignorance in calling the little autoloader a "poacher's gun", an English term not often heard in the U.S.

Like other unofficial terms, "poacher's" gun has meant different things, but it normally meant a short barrel double or single barrel shotgun made so it could be folded to fit into the inner pocket of a coat. Other pockets, lined with oiled cloth, held the downed game.

Normally, "poacher's guns" were not take down guns as we understand them because the poacher wanted a gun that could be brought into action, fired, and then concealed as quickly as possible, and the little Browning/Remington doesn't really fit that need. Further, poachers usually took birds and upland game, not deer (which could not be concealed easily), and a shotgun was more suited to that game than a .22 rifle.

Takedown guns were very popular in the time (around 1900) when most travel was by train, and hunters travelling to camps or hunting areas wanted guns that fit into a case for easy storage in the coach car's overhead rack.

Jim

Tommy Medlin
May 2, 2013, 10:59 PM
I have a take down like you described,except mine has a checkerd stockand high gloss finish.Beautiful little rifle mde by Norinco and sold by Interarms.Bought from Walmart.

Kp321
May 3, 2013, 09:47 PM
There are two models of the Remington/Browning semi auto 22, the 241, shown in the photo, and its predecessor, the 24. Mechanically they were very similar but the 241 was re-designed to shoot high speed ammo. It had four segments of threads on the takedown section of the barrel versus two on the 24. The fore end of the 241 was fatter (beaver tail) while the 24 had a slim (splinter) fore end.
Do not shoot a 24 with high speed ammo, standard velocity is OK.

Jim K
May 3, 2013, 11:54 PM
One of the drawbacks of those little guns is that it is not easy to check the magazine to be sure it is empty. I once test fired a Browning that I had fixed and was sure I was one short in firing (I always counted rounds loaded vs rounds fired). But I worked the bolt several times and no cartridge came up, so I pointed the gun down and pulled the trigger. I was right - there was another live round that had stuck in the magazine tube. Fortunately, the only damage was to the beat-up old floor tile on the range and not to anything important, like my foot.

Lesson: You may know it's empty, but does IT know it's empty?

Jim

4v50 Gary
May 8, 2013, 10:33 AM
I have a Rem M-24 that belonged to my uncle. It's different from the original Browning 22. There are screws in the receiver that hold it together. Also, the barrel nut has a built in locking wedge and does not rely on the spring loaded chisel point plunger the original Browning does to lock the barrel into place. Good little guns.

Two Old Dogs
May 15, 2013, 10:27 PM
I recently read (last 3 months) that Remington offered some .22's (I don't remember which models, but think it could have been Model 12 or 24) with threaded muzzles for the Maxim Silencers as a factory option. This would have been in the teens or 20's when silencers were still legal and before the 1934 National Firearms Act.

If I can remember where I read it, I'll post the information.

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