Anti-gun next steps in WA state.


April 29, 2013, 01:45 AM
I was afraid of this. Awhile back, due to miracles or something, this states legislature failed to get new anti-gun measures through. Knowing the make-up of Washington's legislature, I still find it hard to believe.

However, my biggest fear has been the possibility of the anti's making a run using the initiative process. I fear this so much because the voter's in this state, especially those in the large west coast cities tend to be gullible and will vote for anything that is phrased in a the proper warm fuzzy way.

Unfortunately it seems this is indeed the next step. It just makes me ill thinking about it. I guess it just wasn't enough that the state legislature received such an overwhelming response against such things.

Hopefully somehow some sort of preemptive campaign can be waged.

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April 29, 2013, 01:54 AM
Great. Better start preparing some letters to the editors, I guess.

April 29, 2013, 02:03 AM
I feel for you guys! Hang in there and fight the good fight!

WA and CO are perfect examples of why we should never do away with the electoral college process of electing Presidents. The people really don't want the gun laws they have had forced on them. However, King county has a lot of stroke in the votes. Imagine if the Presidential elections were decided like this. Seattle, Denver,LA, NYC, Boston, Chicago , San Fran and every other major metropolitan city would be deciding who would be our POTUS every time. :mad:

Dain Bramage
April 29, 2013, 11:31 AM
Awhile back, due to miracles or something

Not entirely miracles. Despite being a leftist stronghold, Washington state has a blue-collar populist bent. Public reaction against the bill was strong.

It also helped that the HB1588 sponsors shot themselves in the foot. Repeatedly. No wonder the Democrats are against "high capacity" magazines.

First, the bill had an anti-4th Amendment provision about the police inspecting your home gun storage once a year. Bill sponsor Rep. Pedersen responded with brilliant political acumen claiming he hadn't read the 8-page bill, and pulled the provision.

Next, they came to an agreement with SAF's Alan Gottlieb for Republican approval of the bill, in return for a provision striking Washington's pistol registry. Police Guilds screamed at the idea, saying the registry was checked "thousands of times a year" for crime guns.

The Dem sponsors had no choice but to gut the agreement. That pulled Republican support, and effectively killed the bill.

So, to recap: sponsor didn't read the bill because it was birthed in an out-of-state Brady Bunch bill generating machine, and Gottlieb proved that it really was "about registration". Plus, they fiddled with the wording, excluding family members and CWP holders, when the original "whole enchilada" Brady Bunch bill ran into initial trouble, thus teeing off the leftist base in the legislature.

April 29, 2013, 12:06 PM
^^^That's about how I remember it, too. Press was all over that guy for either not reading his own legislation, or fibbing; whichever.

Still, these guys will be back. This stuff won't hunt in eastern WA, but I'm concerned about the overall urban vote. Washington is primed to either learn from CO, or relearn the hard way.

Shadow 7D
April 29, 2013, 01:23 PM
I suspect there will be a back lash
the rural is mostly bluedog, but the dems are ran by Seattle...
the rest of the state will take a VERY dim view, esp.
(and how this should be messaged in the east and Yakima)
that CALIFORNIA transplants are trying to break the state... it's all new progressives in Seattle. That will get alot of votes out against it.

April 29, 2013, 01:30 PM
Never send issues on your core rights to the ballots.....

April 29, 2013, 11:24 PM
I remember I686 - the "Safe Storage" law. To non-gunners, safe storage and background checks sound reasonable. But there are a lot of gun owners in WA who know better. I-686 was soundly defeated. I think the same will happen for this one, especially if they keep some of those onerous provisions.

Maybe we need Eyman to write it -- he hasn't been doing so well recently.

April 29, 2013, 11:27 PM
They've finished in Colorado. Next step is WA.

Dollars to donuts the money trail leads back to NYC. And dollars to donuts it will be a HUGE money trail...

April 30, 2013, 11:28 AM
They need to be stopped in WA, then.

April 30, 2013, 11:36 AM
Wa just eliminated reciprocity with Florida.
seems they didn't like that Fla issues CCW's to veterans under 21.


April 30, 2013, 05:01 PM
That's a tough one. That same age provision just kept Idaho's permit from becoming the most recognized in the country; costing Idaho hundreds of thousands in revenue.

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