AmmunitionStore Lower's Price of Primers!


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baz
April 29, 2013, 11:18 AM
If you've been following gunbot for primers, you've probably noticed that often the only listing "in stock" is from "ammunitionstore" -- small rifle magnum, Wolf --- for $79.99. Well, today they've lowered the price to a fantastic $69.99 (per 1k). Of course, with shipping, and the $27.50 hazmat fee, that's still over $100 bucks for a box of a 1,000. :what:

Somehow, I still don't think they will be selling many at this price, either.

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TheSaint
April 29, 2013, 11:21 AM
I read your thread title and was excited. :D

After reading your post, not so much. :(

Oh well, we have to refrain from buying at these prices if we're going to see things improve. Stay disciplined, we're going to get truly lower prices if we wait a few more months.

dap22
April 29, 2013, 11:51 AM
There are those who might think the ammunition store is engaging in free enterprise capitalism and that's fine. Although I'm a strong believer in capitalism and free enterprise, gouging of this nature crosses the line and my hope is that anyone who is aware of such practices has a good memory for when times hopefully return to normal. I'd endure going without before giving those bastids a dime.

Bush Pilot
April 29, 2013, 11:59 AM
Must be a division of Cheaper Than Dirt.

4895
April 29, 2013, 12:04 PM
It's their subsidiary..."www.LowerthanDirt.fu"

LOL

TheSaint
April 29, 2013, 12:22 PM
There are those who might think the ammunition store is engaging in free enterprise capitalism and that's fine. Although I'm a strong believer in capitalism and free enterprise, gouging of this nature crosses the line and my hope is that anyone who is aware of such practices has a good memory for when times hopefully return to normal. I'd endure going without before giving those bastids a dime.
Very true, but as informed citizens, we should also caution our fellow man not to waste his money. I think we've reached a turning point in that prices are going to drop from here on out, however slowly, especially as suppliers finally get a higher inventory.

bds
April 29, 2013, 01:00 PM
Other online vendors have been getting primers at $35/1000 or less (Midway, Nachez, Powder Valley, Wideners, etc.).

I think it's simple supply and demand.

As more primers become available at lower prices, prices will fall as less and less consumers will pay $80/1000. :eek:

frankenstein406
April 29, 2013, 01:24 PM
My local store is selling them for 35-40 per k.

Certaindeaf
April 29, 2013, 01:34 PM
Tulammo primers will be back to $18/1000 before long.

plateshooter
April 29, 2013, 02:30 PM
Ammunitionstore goes to all of the local shows in the area where I live. I never forget gougers. I will never spend another dime with them or the other local guy who is charging $100.00 for Glock 19 mags. (and I don't even have a Glock 19). Things will be getting back to normal somewhat, and I hope they end up eating all those primers and glock mags.

ngnrd
April 29, 2013, 02:54 PM
... I hope they end up eating all those primers and glock mags.

Rest assured. They won't.

If the "gougers" bought their inventory at 'normal' costs, they can lower their prices any time they want in order to keep selling. And, even if they figure they have more inventory than they want to carry, they can drop prices to sub-retail levels without taking a hit overall. So, no, they won't ever get stuck with goods they can't sell.

The only way that would happen is if the "gougers" bought their inventory at inflated prices, and then the retail prices dropped back to normal. But then,assuming they had only raised their prices because their costs went up, they weren't ever actually gouging, were they?

Josh45
April 29, 2013, 03:00 PM
$100 for a 1k?
Nope. Not happening. Im already ticked off at the idea of spending $32 for a 1k of Tula when I used to spend $25 per 1k! Sure it isn't as bad as $100 but still it sucks.
Maybe in another month, Maybe two things will be as they should be.

Lennyjoe
April 29, 2013, 03:00 PM
The local gunshow here had some primers. S&B $45 per thousand were the cheapest. Everyone else wanted $60 + and one vendor even had CCI for $89 per thousand...

Powders were $35 + per lb.....

Don't even want to discuss 22 long rifle prices ($100 per 500 round boxes).

Certaindeaf
April 29, 2013, 03:16 PM
Rest assured. They won't.

If the "gougers" bought their inventory at 'normal' costs, they can lower their prices any time they want in order to keep selling. And, even if they figure they have more inventory than they want to carry, they can drop prices to sub-retail levels without taking a hit overall. So, no, they won't ever get stuck with goods they can't sell.

The only way that would happen is if the "gougers" bought their inventory at inflated prices, and then the retail prices dropped back to normal. But then,assuming they had only raised their prices because their costs went up, they weren't ever actually gouging, were they?
Except for the waste of their lives/time.. stuck is stuck for those stuck folk

plateshooter
April 29, 2013, 03:33 PM
Howdy ngnrd, I am pretty familiar with the vendors in my area and how they do their business. I have been buying from some of them for almost 50 years. The only choice I have is where I spend my money. That is all I have control over and all I want control over. There are other vendors here selling quality primers in the $35.00 per K range. Other local vendors that I buy from are selling their Glock mags for <$30.00 at the gun shows I attend. I am sure they are making their mark up, and I will continue to give them my business now and in the future.

Don't know how reloading supplies are up there in Alaska, but in my area, most people call $69.00 for low grade primers gouging. It seems that shooters and reloaders are a pretty unforgiving bunch around here.

I hope to get to visit Alaska someday, for now, the closest I can get is watching Yukon Men on TV. I would love to have my lungs full of that fresh air.

Lennyjoe
April 29, 2013, 04:07 PM
I actually seen a few customers calling out vendors at the gun show down here on Saturday. They were questioning the dramatic price increases charged by those vendors. Some discussions got pretty heated...

Bud0505
April 29, 2013, 04:21 PM
The local range where I am a member stocks reloading supplies for members. I bought WLP for $30/K which has been their price for the last 6-8 months. Powders are $20 dollars per pound but the stock has been hit or miss lately. When I was there Friday all they had in stock was Trailboss. Bought one can (9 ounces) for $15. Was in Tallahassee Saturday and found Red Dot for $26 per pound. GS I was in wanted $69.99 for SPP. They had them and at that price they still have them as far as I'm concerned. Did buy 2 pounds of Red Dot though.

ngnrd
April 29, 2013, 04:22 PM
I wasn't trying to open up another debate on gouging. I was just pointing out that those that are listing inventory at inflated prices (often seen as gouging) aren't going to get stung when the prices come back down, unless they bought their inventory at inflated prices. In which case, it can't really be seen as gouging.

And as far as the time they have invested, I suppose they have to balance that against the additional profit per unit they are getting.

Personally, the time I would have to spend acquiring inexpensive ammo is worth more than the profit I could make selling the limited inventory I could get right now. Other people obviously have a different opinion; thus, the lines at the gun counters all across the country every day...

As far as regional stock and pricing goes, finding powder up here can be ... problematic ... but I haven't really had any problems finding primers locally. And I have yet to pay more than normal retail for either of those items. Of course, normal retail in Alaska is typically higher than other places, because we don't really have any good options for ordering retail from down south. IF a retailer will actually ship up here, the hazmat and shipping costs make it cost prohibitive for individual use quantities (USPS, FedEx, and UPS freight typically all goes on a plane to get here - even the "ground" shipments).

And, I haven't had the pleasure of seeing the Yukon Men TV show. But, I would imagine that it's similar to most other reality shows... containing varying degrees of entertainment, but conspicuously absent of much actual reality. Maybe I'll have to catch an episode or two.;)

ares338
April 29, 2013, 04:25 PM
My local LGS had large pistol primers for $48.00 per 1000 and was unloading 9mm while I was there. It was a good day ;)

Texan Scott
April 29, 2013, 05:22 PM
Look, it's simple. They put any price they please on their product. We say "yes" or "no".
If not enough people buy, they lower the price.
Capitalism ... it's marvelously self-regulating.

Arkansas Paul
April 29, 2013, 05:46 PM
The local gunshow here had some primers. S&B $45 per thousand were the cheapest. Everyone else wanted $60 + and one vendor even had CCI for $89 per thousand...

During the '08 panic, we saw primers at a gun show for $12/100.
Nobody was buying.

Otto
April 29, 2013, 05:54 PM
Ammunition Store's owner was recently ordered to pay 2 employees back-pay of over $500,000 plus attorneys fees.
The ex-employees were sales reps that hauled ammo to and from gun shows. However, their transports were not legal and when they complained to the owner of Ammunition Store he simply fired them. Now he's on the hook for $612,000. Feel any better now?

guyfromohio
April 29, 2013, 05:59 PM
My LGS has all types of Winchester, Federal, CCI, and remington for about $39/1000. Caveat.... 1 box of each type per checkout. I'm ok with that price.

Sweet Agony
April 29, 2013, 06:00 PM
I could not agree more, CTD and AS are both off my list for their lack of business ethics.

baz
April 29, 2013, 06:50 PM
Ammunition Store's owner was recently ordered to pay 2 employees back-pay of over $500,000 plus attorneys fees.
The ex-employees were sales reps that hauled ammo to and from gun shows. However, their transports were not legal and when they complained to the owner of Ammunition Store he simply fired them. Now he's on the hook for $612,000. Feel any better now?Not sure that I do. When I started the thread, I just found it amusing: they were not selling at $80 per thousand, did they really think reducing the price $10 would start them selling like hotcakes?

But this is actually sad--for the employees he fired. It is sounding to me like they may have a hard time collecting, and that AS may soon be no more. For their sake, that's too bad.

dap22
April 29, 2013, 07:04 PM
Ammunition Store's owner was recently ordered to pay 2 employees back-pay of over $500,000 plus attorneys fees.
The ex-employees were sales reps that hauled ammo to and from gun shows. However, their transports were not legal and when they complained to the owner of Ammunition Store he simply fired them. Now he's on the hook for $612,000. Feel any better now?


That's comforting except for the fact that in all likelyhood his ex-employees will see little if any of that money.

Rangemaster
April 29, 2013, 10:06 PM
Any online stores have primers in stock?

I look every day and I guess I am too late.

bds
April 29, 2013, 10:25 PM
Any online stores have primers in stock? I look every day and I guess I am too late.
If you are looking for popular reloading components, especially primers, you really need to keep a close eye on the "Reloading components/equipment (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=707473&page=23)" thread as in-stock primers were posted this morning and sold out quickly. Checking once daily may not be enough as popular items like 9mm bullets will often sell out within 15-30 minutes. If you subscribe to the thread, you'll get instant notification when someone posts in-stock items.

You can subscribe to the thread to send you an instant email when the thread is updated by opening the thread and clicking on "Thread Tool" and selecting "Subscribe to this Thread".

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=183448&stc=1&d=1367285113

Then select "Instant notification by email". If you link your cell/smart phone with the email address, you'll get notification when you are away from the computer.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=183449&stc=1&d=1367285113

baz
April 29, 2013, 10:35 PM
Any online stores have primers in stock?

I look every day and I guess I am too late. Besides the thread that bds recommends (and that's a great tip as to how to get an email to let you know when the thread is updated), your best bet is to check this link:

http://www.gunbot.net/reloading-supplies

You need to check it like you were voting in Chicago, i.e. early and often. I've managed to place three orders in the past month with hits from gunbot. But I do check it several times a day, and I also watch bds' thread several times a day also.

bds
April 29, 2013, 10:48 PM
I have used gunbot but noticed that it sometimes lags behind actual listed vendor websites.

If you subscribe with the vendor, you may receive notifications faster.

If you really need components, do all three. :D

nix4me
April 29, 2013, 11:09 PM
Gotta be persistant. I gave up awhile back and kept checking sites daily. Then bang. I hit Wideners and they had CCI primers. Got 5000 SPP. Happy day! Normal $30 or so per 1000 plus the haz mat.

Keeperfaith
May 1, 2013, 02:03 AM
I was reading all these posts and shocked at the prices of primers!!!

My local gun shop Nagels Gun Shop in San Antonio only limited people on buying one box (100) of SPP's per day. The prices were still the same (maybe 50 cents more than before). All other primers were fair game. And the last time I went they were only enforcing the "one box (100 primers) rule" for WSP (winchster small pistol primers). I bought a large box of CCI SPP's for the normal price of $30.00 (it may have been 35).

Next time I go to Nagels Ill check to see if they still limiting primers and see what their stock looks like.

On another note, I cant find Alliant 2400, HP-39, W-231 or Accurate No. 2 anywhere....crazy...

Steve

jlyterw
May 1, 2013, 05:59 PM
My favorite Uncle Milton would cheer the increase in primer (and other component) prices in the face of this avalanche of demand. How else are you going to clear the market? He would want every seller to raise their prices, and to everyone, including the Feds and Big Sis. At some point, the buying would slow down, or crash, as the majority of buyers would stop seeing the benefit of paying higher prices and either forego and/or delay their purchase, and/or merrily move on to spend their money on another, more reasonably priced hobby, past time or enjoyment. At some point, the market would clear, and equilibrium found. And, that equilibrium, for example, may be found at $35 or $37. The days of $27 might take a while to return, but at least there would be a supply of components available to all who want them. And, depending upon the speed at which capacity would/could be increased and brought to bear, higher prices does entice and bring more supply. However, in this day and age of Obama-regs and restrictions, and the barriers to entry erected by the status-quo with the sole intent of locking everyone else out of reaping their excessive rewards and in sharing in that good thing, capacity may be harder to increase to reap the benefit of higher returns and to give us that ready, steady stream of components. Anyway, I end with a quote from my favorite uncle... "The most important single central fact about a free market is that no exchange takes place unless both parties benefit." So… the guys out there buying the $60 primers are buying them because they feel they are getting a benefit (and the guys out there selling them for that price surely are...). We dumb ones are sitting by our computers and smart phones racing to scoop up whatever primers become available at $27 - $29. If the Grafs, Cabelas, Powder Valleys, Natchezs, etc. would also bump their prices to reflect the current supply/demand situation, how fast do you think this “shortage” would end?

exbrit49
May 1, 2013, 10:55 PM
Checked my LGS this afternoon and they have a good supply of Wolf Primers at $35/1000. That's just about where they were before all the Chicken Little's started their rampage.
Seeing a gradual return to normalcy in Indiana, except for 22LR

Reefinmike
May 1, 2013, 11:29 PM
still kicking myself for not maxing out the 70# hazmat with 70k wolf primers from wideners when they were $14/k just in december. I kept telling myself id wait til the end of december to order. well, shhtf and I was barely able to squeeze in my normal powdervalley order of tula primers. 5k lpp and 5k srp. with those primers and the ammo i have loaded up, I can do my normal 200 rounds a week for almost another year. Hopefully things will be back to normal by 2014

cwbys4evr
May 2, 2013, 05:10 PM
My LGS is 49.99 per 1000. I'm still not buying at that price til I get desperate, and I don't intend to get there until the fall.

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