My "Mad Max Pistol" in barely legal form while I wait for the ATF


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Arizona_Mike
April 29, 2013, 06:28 PM
Just got my stock back from Paladin Arms, verified total length, and cut the barrel to just under 18.5" (26.5" OAL) while I continue to wait for my stamp.

I wanted to do a test cut. Paid no attention to the mill speed, used no oil, and did not lock the stage during cuts but it still turned out great. For the final cut to 11" or so, I will fill the last rib with steelbed before the final facing.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21431738/Stoeger%20Barely%20Legal.jpg

Mike

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M-Cameron
April 29, 2013, 06:54 PM
Stoeger?


looks good.....i want to do this( short barrel, no stock, but legal length) if i can find a SxS on the cheap....

Arizona_Mike
April 29, 2013, 07:24 PM
Stoeger Longfowler Supreme single trigger version. Automatic safety altered to be manual.

Mike

M-Cameron
April 29, 2013, 07:28 PM
Stoeger Longfowler Supreme single trigger version. Automatic safety altered to be manual.


you happen to have a guide or How-to on doing that.....i just bought a stoeger O/U and the autosafety drives me nuts.

Arizona_Mike
April 29, 2013, 07:35 PM
Not sure if it is the exact same on the O/U but if you take off the stock you will see the plunger and where it needs to be cut. On my S/S there was just enough space after cutting with a Dremel tool and filing flat for it not to reach the safety lever.

Mike

Deltaboy
April 29, 2013, 08:13 PM
Cool ! I love it.

OptimusPrime
April 29, 2013, 08:26 PM
That is waaaaaaaaaay cool!

Carl N. Brown
April 29, 2013, 09:28 PM
Internet Movie Firearm Database has some screenshots of the prop guns used in the Mad Max series. The sawed-off shotguns used in the first two movies are hammerless, but the one used in Mad Max 2 (The Road Warrior) has a slimmer forearm that the one in the first. The sawed-off used in Mad Max 3 (Beyond Thunderdome) was a replacement since it was a hammer gun, not hammerless.

Mad Max: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Mad_Max#Sawn_Off_Double_barrel_shotgun
Mad Max 2 (The Road Warrior): http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Mad_Max_2#Sawed-off_Double_Barrel_shotgun

Arizona_Mike
April 29, 2013, 11:53 PM
Max is tougher than I thought firing a 12ga with such a skinny grip . . . one handed even!

Mike

PS. Thanks for the info. It was not my intent to make a replica.

Prince Yamato
April 30, 2013, 09:47 AM
You can get a Chinese SxS for under $300. You can also put cowboy action loads in it and it will be tolerable to shoot.

forindooruseonly
April 30, 2013, 11:34 AM
I use Aguila Minishells out of mine for a little less recoil and manageability. There are also low powered options available that significantly lower the pressure in order to be shot in classic doubles - RST shotshells is one company, I forget the other that I've used. I'll have to find the box at home.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a263/Forindooruseonly/Ithaca1.jpg[/URL]

Cooldill
April 30, 2013, 01:51 PM
I have always had a thing for sawed off double barrels. I wonder what touching off two 3" magnum 1 1/8oz slugs would feel like fired at the same time? LOL!

Arizona_Mike
April 30, 2013, 03:09 PM
Not possible with the single trigger.

Mike

kBob
April 30, 2013, 03:54 PM
Az Mike,

Looks nice. Bill seems to have done a good job on the stock. He has been interested in short shotguns for three or four decades so far.

Got any of his other work?

-kBob

Arizona_Mike
May 1, 2013, 10:03 PM
Not exactly a range but on BLM land in the desert half a mile from the last house.

Fired 8 rounds of #7.5 birdshot low brass (half Federal half Remington) very pleasant.
Fired 4 rounds of full power high brass 00 buckshot (9 pellet loads). First 2 were Olin Military grade and I did not hold the gun tight enough. I felt one shot but thought I heard two :eek:
Second brand was slightly more stout but I was able to hold tight enough.

Then I tried a 1 oz Winchester slug. Suprisingly pleasant.

Then I tried Winchester Double-X Magnum 15 pellet 00 buck 3". Let's just say I will wear gloves next time I try that but nothing that really bothered me.

I could shoot the birdshot all day long. I could shoot a lot of 2 3/4" buck.
Hit small targets at 18-24 feet every time (except for the rebound double). Had an incompletely healed cut on my left thumb that has only been closed for a day and a half an it got a little sore but did not open. Left arm is really tender from my Tdap shot yesterday and the gun did not aggrivate it at all.

Mike

Arizona_Mike
June 3, 2013, 01:01 AM
I cut the barrel to 12" 2-weeks ago and filled the rib channel with steelbed. Yesterday I did the final facing on the mill, filing, and sanding. Did a cold blue using Super Blue and it turned out really nice after an overnight cure under oil and matches the existing parker finish fairly well. The steelbed only took a slight blue (I should have used a black dye packet when mixing) so I have some paint marker on it. I may find a better paint/gun finish in the future to cover the Steelbed but this paint resists CLR just fine.

I decided to go with 12" to allign with a rib not a vent and to have slightly more than finger-width of barrel past the forestock should my hand slip forward.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21431738/20130602_214755.jpg

Receiver has been in my safe deposit box 25 mi away since before I did the last barrel cut. Now I sit and wait for my stamp before bringing the parts in "close proximity".

wally
June 3, 2013, 10:13 AM
Not possible with the single trigger.


The photo in post #11 shows double triggers. So it would be possible with some guns.

Arizona_Mike
June 3, 2013, 10:55 AM
The photo in post #11 shows double triggers. So it would be possible with some guns.
Actually the vast majority of Luparas have double triggers. Mine is rather unusual.

Mike

forindooruseonly
June 4, 2013, 09:06 AM
Looks like you did a good job with the end of the barrel - are you relocating the bead as well?

Arizona_Mike
June 4, 2013, 11:46 AM
I am thinking about doing a double bead but I am probably going to shoot it first. Am also thinking about hiding a laser in the wood forgrip with a NC Hall-effect switch and a magnet in the holster.

Mike

wacki
July 15, 2013, 12:40 AM
this is awesome. I want one.

Deltaboy
July 15, 2013, 09:10 AM
It looks great.

TRX
July 23, 2013, 06:27 AM
Mine was built on an Iver Johnson frame. It likes light shells like rabbit loads. Standard shells have poor performance in the 10" barrels, varying widely by brand. I once shot at a cardboard box about ten feet away, and got peppered with shot that bounced back at me... most of the shot was just laying on the ground.

Magnum loads and slugs have brutal recoil, beachball sizes fireballs, and usually result in a sore trigger finger from the trigger guard getting slammed back into my finger.

I need to try wrapping the grip with friction tape and get some shotshell reloading equipment. Most of the drama is probably because the powder is selected for a minimum 18.5" barrel, and much of it flies out the 10" barrel before it burns.

It's big fun as long as you find shells that don't beat your hand up, though.

Arizona_Mike
July 23, 2013, 04:18 PM
Shotgun powder is very fast burning. There is data on line (I believe it was from Serbu) showing only about 100 fps loss from going from 30" to 12". Sounds like something was wrong with your shells.

Like I said above, any high brass load in the 1 - 1 1/4 oz load is comfortable enough to shoot. It's the 1 7/8 and 2+ oz (3") loads that start to get "brisk".

Mike

PS. I found the link. It was someone from Tromix, not Serbu: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/19103-barrel-length-vs-velocity/

Njal Thorgeirsson
July 24, 2013, 10:02 PM
Very cool! Ive always wanted to cut a stoeger down. It actually still looks pretty cool in barely-legal form. I might just have to do that.

Arizona_Mike
July 25, 2013, 03:39 PM
Very cool! Ive always wanted to cut a stoeger down. It actually still looks pretty cool in barely-legal form. I might just have to do that.
Do yourself a favor and mix the black dye into the steelbed epoxy. The paint I used resists CLR but stronger gun cleaning solvents take it right off and it needs to be repainted every time.

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