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JRH6856
April 30, 2013, 10:54 AM
Washington Times article (http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/red-pill-blue-bill/2013/apr/29/recalls-underway-colorado-democrats/) about the current grass roots recall campaign in Colorado.

COLORADO SPRINGS, Apri 30, 2013—Recall petition drives are well under way for four pro-gun control Democrats in the Colorado state legislature.

The four facing recall petitions are:

John Morse (Senate District 11; 7,178 valid signatures needed)

Angela Giron (Senate District 3; 11,285 valid signatures needed)

Evie Hudak (Senate District 19; 18,962 valid signatures needed)

Mike McLachlan (House District 59; 10,587 valid signatures needed)

In Colorado, the number of valid signatures needed is 25% of the total ballots cast in the election of the official being recalled. Petition gatherers usually get 25-40% more than necessary.

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calaverasslim
April 30, 2013, 11:21 AM
Let us hope this works

Old Fuff
April 30, 2013, 11:41 AM
Have at 'um, and I wish you luck! If any gun shows are still going on they are an excellent place to collect signatures.

Midwest
April 30, 2013, 12:18 PM
Try collecting signatures around sporting goods stores, Walmart and local gun stores (as well as gun shows as the previous poster suggested). Make flyers and pamphlets with the information and where to sign the petition and hand these out throughout the towns and shopping areas.

I suggest keeping this thread open until the petitions are collected and the recount is underway, and/or a follow-up to this thread.

Good Luck

HKGuns
April 30, 2013, 10:56 PM
People are more pissed off than at any time I can remember. I really hope NOBama and uncle fester take another run at more gun control. Perhaps then the pissed off and fed up attitudes will stick around until the 2014 elections.

NOBAMA is too stupid to know he just ruined the Democratic Party and turned control of the Senate over to the GOP for now and likely after the 2014 election.

7irontim
May 1, 2013, 11:46 AM
Here's hoping they get them.

leprechaun50
May 1, 2013, 12:00 PM
Good luck Colorado. Hope that you are able to make examples out of these losers.

loose noose
May 1, 2013, 12:02 PM
I'm wishing you the best, wish I could help, I "used" to fish and hunt in Colorado all the time not to mention skiing.:)

cologuy
May 1, 2013, 12:10 PM
The petition for recalling Giron is going pretty well right now. As of last weekend, we had just over half of the signatures we need to force the recall. The local Dems must be getting nervous, because there was an article in the local paper yesterday that quoted the county clerk and some other local politicians (all Dems, of course) saying that the recall election would cost the city/county over $250,000. Given the budget problems we have, I'd imagine that news was meant to scare off some folks who might be sitting on the fence right now. Personally, I'm cautiously optimistic that the recall will happen, but this is a VERY heavily Dem area, and for the most part Giron hasn't pissed off many people besides gun owners/2nd Amendment supporters, so collecting the other half of the signatures is going to be tough. One interesting note - the local Walmarts won't let us circulate petitions in front of their stores, apparently they've taken some heat in the past from people complaining about petition gatherers being a little too aggressive. And since it's private property, it's their call, of course. Fortunately the K-Mart and lots of other places are OK with us being there. I'll try and keep this thread updated as more news develops.

Ryanxia
May 1, 2013, 12:46 PM
Get as many people active as you can, invite others around your LGS to help spread the word. Find as many CO forums and post on them as well. Even ad websites like craigslist, etc. should have a post.

Good luck.

rondog
May 1, 2013, 12:50 PM
Gonna run 'em out.....

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/funnies/tar_and_feather.jpg

JRH6856
May 1, 2013, 01:10 PM
:uhoh:^^^Off topic observation: The mode of dress of the crowd in that cartoon is about 40-50 years later than the date of the event depicted. :scrutiny:

TheSaint
May 1, 2013, 04:37 PM
To call CO citizens, talk to your local sporting goods stores, gun shops, friends and everyone else you can get to the signatures in place. We must remove these anti-freedom tyrants from office. It can be done. The recall is a great way to send notice to the other states that the people are not jumping on the disarmament bandwagon and that politicians that usurp any of the Bill of Rights are on a one-way express ticket out of town. Get the word out folks, lets get this done!

Arkansas Paul
May 1, 2013, 05:22 PM
Good luck and godspeed Coloradoans.
I surely hope it is successful.

Midwest
May 1, 2013, 05:29 PM
There should be press releases to conservative media outlets as well as other Pro-gun forums and organizations. I think rt (Russia Today) might be interested as well as World Net Daily www.wnd.com , Conservative News http://cnsnews.com/, also Drudge Report, Free Republic, maybe even Fox News.

Again Good Luck

TheSaint
May 1, 2013, 05:46 PM
For the folks in CO, don't forget to write your local papers, post on local messageboards and so forth. We may not have big dollars, but that doesn't mean that the word can't get out. CO was one of the first states to start the latest round of anti-gun nonsense, it would be quite fitting if we could get those citizens' freedoms restored there first. Next, NY, CA and so forth. :)

45bthompson
May 1, 2013, 05:47 PM
Don't you guys have a huge Cabela's in Grand Junction? I imagine they would be happy to help.

csspecs
May 1, 2013, 06:37 PM
Remember that signatures are the only thing that matters, not the reason why they are signing. So logically if one can find other reasons why someone should be removed it would stand to reason that you could appeal to a larger market..

In other words, find something else besides guns, in the event that someone does not feel strongly about firearms you can make them feel strongly about something else.

Midwest
May 1, 2013, 06:46 PM
I found some information on how to do press releases. This might be of help for the recall campaign in Colorado as well as other pro-gun rights activist campaigns. You can also use a distribution service to distribute the press releases for your group.

To date, what pro-gun forums, gun rights organizations (NRA,GOA), news outlets and conservative bloggers have been contacted? This sounds like maybe something Sean Hannity or one of the other conservative broadcasters might be interested in.

I'll bet the interest in this recall is real high (besides the pro-gun community). Hopefully some spokespeople of this could offer to do radio interviews or something of the like. We need to get the message out. Like others have said, once this succeeds, the other states are next for recalls. I think there is a lot riding on this.

Press Release Information

http://www.wikihow.com/Submit-a-Press-Release

Finding Places to Submit a Press Release

Target newspapers, online newspapers or other media outlets in geographic areas where you want to expand your business.

Submit your press release to key players in your field including noted bloggers and industry leaders.

Use a distribution service. If you don't have time to research outlets for your press releases, then work with someone who can help you.

cologuy
May 2, 2013, 01:23 PM
I've forwarded some of your suggestions on to the folks that are heading up the recall - thanks for the ideas. One thing I need to point out is that we're actually dealing with a fairly small market, since only people who live in the district that Giron represents can sign the petition. That's unfortunate, because we have lots of folks from outside the district that do business here and would love to sign the petitions, but we have to turn them away. We've pretty well saturated all the local media, I think, now it's just a matter of time.

Midwest
May 2, 2013, 01:35 PM
I've forwarded some of your suggestions on to the folks that are heading up the recall - thanks for the ideas. One thing I need to point out is that we're actually dealing with a fairly small market, since only people who live in the district that Giron represents can sign the petition. That's unfortunate, because we have lots of folks from outside the district that do business here and would love to sign the petitions, but we have to turn them away. We've pretty well saturated all the local media, I think, now it's just a matter of time.
Even though this is a local thing. It resonates with other firearms owners in other states as well. Recalling politicians for whatever purpose (especially this one), is a story that has interest on the national scene as well. This is the strongest message to send to other politicians who might be considering voting for anti-gun legislation.

Good Luck in all your efforts

hso
May 3, 2013, 09:35 AM
I agree, while "local" what has happened in Colorado has national implications and any help we can provide to our CO members is in our own interest.

TheSaint
May 3, 2013, 07:36 PM
Right on! We need to send a message that restricting our natural rights to self-protection under arms is not something that any state or federal official can get away with. The citizens of CO are no less than those of CA, NY or TX. A harsh message of rebuke to one, is a message to all.

Keb
May 3, 2013, 07:49 PM
You can't sign at Grand Junction for a recall 240 miles away. Those wouldn't count.... and they create false impression of success.

Except for the guy in Durango, those are front range politiicans.

ngnrd
May 4, 2013, 02:14 AM
I can't participate by signing, but you guys have my moral support. Godspeed, and good luck.

Ryanxia
May 5, 2013, 06:12 PM
I can't participate by signing, but you guys have my moral support. Godspeed, and good luck.
As he said. You have many fellow Americans on your side, if we as non-residents can help let us know here on THR.

Babarsac
May 6, 2013, 01:49 PM
As someone who is hoping to move to Colorado in the next few years Godspeed!

cologuy
May 6, 2013, 02:16 PM
Just a quick update, nothing really new happening with the Giron recall. Still collecting signatures, things appear to be going well. Walmart has kind of eased up, signature collections at the edge of their parking lots are OK. Lots of yard signs and other notices going up, it appears Giron has ticked off some more people with her bills on tuition and drivers licenses (***?) for illegals ("but they're driving anyway...."). Some interesting letters to the editor in the paper this weekend, several folks asking how a "selfish minority" could demand that the district spend money for a recall, one good letter asking the whiners if they thought that $250,000 was too much to spend to save their 2A (and other Constitutional) rights. Updates as I get them.

Pilot
May 6, 2013, 02:52 PM
This is important. As a former Douglas County, CO resident, and one that plans to move back I am hoping you succeed!

.455_Hunter
May 6, 2013, 02:57 PM
I live in Hudak's district and signed her petition about 10 minutes after they started collecting signatures, plus providing $$$ to the cause.

Its really unfortunate about what happened here in Senate District 19. As many of you know, the most egregious of the new laws (UBC & 15+ round mag ban) passed the Senate by ONE vote. Take a look at the following numbers, noting that Lang Sias was a strong pro-2A supporter and LTC in the Colorado Air National Guard.

State Senate District 19

100% reporting ( 59 precincts )

Evie Hudak (Dem) 46.9% (34,359)

Lang Sias (GOP) 46.4% (34,027)

Lloyd Sweeny (Lib) 6.5% (4,823)

Yes folks, that's right. If Sias could gotten just a portion of Sweeney's votes, there is very good chance that we would be discussing how Colorado dodged a big one instead of how we have joined the list of "those" states, like NY, MA, CA and CT.

Thank you Lloyd Sweeney for ensuring a D victory in the 19th and providing the final vote for gun control in the senate! :scrutiny::fire::cuss::mad::barf:

HKGuns
May 6, 2013, 08:22 PM
A great and viable example of why standing on stupid principle and "voting with principle" only hurts you in the long run. That third party candidate stood no chance of winning and I'm willing to bet you every one of those 4823 votes are from 2nd Amendment supporters. The GOP ain't perfect by any means, but when this happens its just shameful.

Old Fuff
May 7, 2013, 01:24 AM
HKGuns is 150% right. In the real world when we spit the gun rights vote it's the anti's that win. The Tea Party folks - which is a movement rather then a true political party - works to get main party candidates that support their views elected. They are usually Republicans, but not always. As a result the Tea Party is a force that's effective.

leprechaun50
May 7, 2013, 06:49 AM
HKGuns is 150% right. In the real world when we spit the gun rights vote it's the anti's that win. The Tea Party folks - which is a movement rather then a true political party - works to get main party candidates that support their views elected. They are usually Republicans, but not always. As a result the Tea Party is a force that's effective.

Just throwing this out there (not necessarily my opinion) that maybe the Republican party should pay a little more attention to the Tea Party. This could possibly keep the third party from being an issue.

ThorinNNY
May 7, 2013, 07:35 AM
I wish you the best of luck in your recsll campaign in Colorado. We need to recall quite a few in NY, starting with Andrew Cuomo, Erik Scneiderman, Sheldon Silver and Dean Skelos!

Rancher5
May 7, 2013, 10:36 AM
Is there a place to sign the petition online being in the effected area with Rouge Sen Morse, being my Sen , I really want him out he also signing into law an increase in Energy prices, Liability exposure for businesses all these things cost us Money, He Morse and Gang our doing allot more harm than attacking our 2nd Amd

Old Fuff
May 7, 2013, 10:39 AM
Just throwing this out there (not necessarily my opinion) that maybe the Republican party should pay a little more attention to the Tea Party. This could possibly keep the third party from being an issue.

You have a good point. The answer is that when people get involved with a particular party (the Tea Party movement being an example) by doing "grunt work" for candidates they support, and get supporters out to vote they increase their influence over time.

I am by no means a 100% Republican (if they're is such a thing) but I will point out that at the state level no anti-gun rights legislation has been enacted where at least part of the legislature and hopefully the governor's office was controled by Republicans. Same can be said of the situation in Washington where it is generally acknowledged that anything that passed in the Democrat-controled Senate would die in the Republican-controled House of Representatives. As it turned out nothing made it out of the Senate, but this could always change given future events that are now unforseen.

I would suggest that the Republicans do recognize the importance of the gun rights vote to them, and suggest that anyone who thinks otherwise take the time to look up the "firearms" plank in each of the two major party's platform. They will find that they're is a marked difference.

cologuy
May 7, 2013, 12:10 PM
Rancher5: There's no online option for signing the recall. It's got to be signed in person, in ink, and the Colo Sec of State will have to verify each and every name on the petition until they get to the required number. It's kind of pain, but I can see why they do it that way. Here in Giron country, the folks circulating the petition all have laptops or Ipads or whatnot, so they can check that you're a resident of the district, and can check how your name is "officially" registered with the State. That's important, because if you sign the petition with anything but your "official" name, it's counted as invalid. For example, the State of Colorado has me listed as "(first name)(FULL middle name)(last name)", and I've never signed anything but my enlistment paperwork with my full middle name, ever. But if I'd signed the petition with just my middle initial, it would have been invalid. Turns out that's what's caused a lot of citizen petitions in Colorado to fail in the past. And since the petitioners have to pay a fee to download each blank signature page, they also want to make sure every signature is going to be valid so they're not wasting $$. The whole operation is running on donations, of course. Anyway, I'm not sure who to put you in touch with for your district, but you might try contacting the local Republican party office or even call the paper and see if they can get you a name and number. Good luck.

HKGuns
May 7, 2013, 09:09 PM
Just throwing this out there (not necessarily my opinion) that maybe the Republican party should pay a little more attention to the Tea Party. This could possibly keep the third party from being an issue.

Agree with this sentiment and also agree that the Tea Party is being done correctly. My Representative to Congress is a Tea Party member and he pulled off an upset win.

People are tired of politicians and hungry for leaders who stand for something.

leprechaun50
May 7, 2013, 11:26 PM
People are tired of politicians and hungry for leaders who stand for something.
You hit the nail right on the head.

MRH
May 8, 2013, 06:16 PM
While I would love to see John Morse and the other anti-gun Democrats recalled, the reality is that their replacements would probably be worse. Example is the replacement for Morse would most likely be Mike Merrifield (the current mayor of Manitou Springs and member of the anti-gun mayors' group), who I consider to be much worse in a lot of things than Morse currently is.

Mike

Radagast
May 11, 2013, 06:02 AM
MRH:
This may be so, but in the end politicians are individuals seeking power and wealth for themselves. Once a recall has started they will watch to see the result.
If it succeeds then politicians across the nation will note that those individuals have lost their access to power and wealth.
If it fails they will discount the capabilities of the pro-gun community to influence elections and make future decisions based on that.

TL,DR:
A recall may or may not be a good idea, but once started you have to win.

DeadMoneyDrew
May 11, 2013, 10:30 PM
You guys made Fox News!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/08/colorado-democratic-lawmakers-face-recall-efforts-for-votes-on-gun-control/

CharlieDeltaJuliet
May 11, 2013, 11:28 PM
I wish you guys and gals the very best. The state of Colorado has let me down. I actually wanted o move to Colorado Springs at one point... If we non-Colorado folk can do anything, just let us know...

cologuy
June 4, 2013, 11:57 AM
I finally have an update to post. Up until this week it's just been the usual collecting of signatures. Yesterday the recall for Morse in CO Springs was filed with the State, and they manged to collect nearly double the number of signatures they needed. The recall for Giron will be filed next Monday, and they've already got well over the number needed, but they're trying to build up a "cushion", because the local and State Dem leadership has already started challenging signatures and threatened a lawsuit. Fortunately the recall folks were very careful with checking signatures (see my earlier posts), and the Sec of State is a Republican with a lot of sympathy for the 2A community, so we ought to be OK for now. Unfortunately, the petitions for McLachlan in Durango and Hudak in Denver didn't collect enough signatures, but a 50% success rate isn't too bad for a state that has NEVER (until now) had a politician recalled. Now that things are moving again, I'll try and keep you all posted.

MagnumWill
June 5, 2013, 01:12 AM
That's fantastic news. Way to go everyone, so far so good! The chance to get rid of two is better than none.

Jolly Rogers
June 5, 2013, 07:09 AM
If the electorate doesn't even wait until the next election cycle to oust non-Representatives how does this look to the antis???
I hope it is terrifying.
Joe

jumpstart
June 5, 2013, 08:20 AM
Good news. Morse never did worked for Coloradoans, only his own only political aspirations with Bloomberg and his ilk.

Ryanxia
June 5, 2013, 08:28 AM
I read a recent article on this and just realized you got the necessary signatures at least for Morse. THAT'S GREAT! Keep up the good fight guys!

cologuy
June 5, 2013, 01:52 PM
I guess it's shaping up to be a big national battle. Giron here in Pueblo has already received over $70,000 from Dem groups in Denver and Washington DC to help her fight the recall election. They must finally realize there's a real threat to their interests here in CO. All the local papers are speculating that Morse at least will be getting lots of support from MAIG and that bunch, and I imagine Giron will before all this is over. My big concern now is that we'll just be snowed under with Dem party money (the recall group here in Pueblo only collected a bit over $11,000) unless we can get some big hitters in here (hello, NRA??). But even if we don't get Morse and Giron replaced, at least we'll have given them a good scare and made them spend money they'd probably rather use elsewhere. And, sadly, no matter what happens with the recall, our new anti-2A laws go into effect in less than a month.....

Old Fuff
June 5, 2013, 04:35 PM
You are right in thinking that money spent on recall and primary elections is cash they can't spend later. And no matter what I don't think they will get far in getting signatures rejected. If it comes to a recall election I doubt many who signed the recall petitions will change their minds. There are some things money can't buy, and yes - what is going on in Colorado will be in the national spotlight.

DanMar757
June 7, 2013, 12:23 PM
Its funny how these types of stories always seem to be surpressed by the national media. The story doesn't really support their agenda, so why further it by reporting it?

We need to continue these efforts everywhere we can to send a strong message to those that would separate us from our freedoms!

DanMar

wingman
June 8, 2013, 04:35 PM
My understand is that Mayor Bloomberg has spent millions on anti-gun laws in Co., he seems to believe he must liberalize the country not just New York.

longknife12
June 8, 2013, 05:42 PM
You just have to remember that Bloomie is not an outside interference!
Dan

481
June 10, 2013, 08:48 PM
Its funny how these types of stories always seem to be surpressed by the national media. The story doesn't really support their agenda, so why further it by reporting it?

We need to continue these efforts everywhere we can to send a strong message to those that would separate us from our freedoms!

DanMar
Typical "head-in-the-sand" behavior from the media. If they can't see it, it doesn't exist. They do it with anything that falls outside of their preferred narrative.

Old Fuff
June 11, 2013, 10:38 AM
Typical "head-in-the-sand" behavior from the media. If they can't see it, it doesn't exist. They do it with anything that falls outside of their preferred narrative.

True, but if the if the petition is certified it will be a lot harder to hide.

Then some folks in other states that are city-dominated will start thinking. This is another reason that nothing is being reported.

Radagast
June 11, 2013, 11:25 AM
Indeed. The state of Illinois and the Chicago Democratic Republic. Upstate NY vs NYC.
Too many political, cultural and financial apple carts that could be overturned.

The City states would quickly find that they are more dependent on the hinterland than the hinterland is on them. Watersheds are the first thing to spring to mind.

Dframe
June 11, 2013, 11:32 AM
RINO Bloomberg is indeed trying to buy elections all over the country. He recently bought one in chicago. Spending huge money to elect a rabid anti-gun democrat over a more reasonable one.

Queen_of_Thunder
June 12, 2013, 07:02 AM
Was wondering where one sends money to support the recall. I want to make a donation in Mayor Bloombergs name. In fact I'm going to send some to the NRA in his name.

Can you folks in CO. keep us up to daye on how things are going and who we can support if the recall elections happen.

dab102999
June 12, 2013, 06:29 PM
DENVER | Gun-rights advocates submitted signatures Monday against a second Democratic state lawmaker in the escalating backlash against the Colorado legislature’s recently approved gun control bills.

The recall group, Pueblo Freedom and Rights, reported delivering 13,570 signatures, about 20 percent more than the 11,285 needed to force a recall election of Democratic state Sen. Angela Giron of Pueblo.

Ms. Giron, who voted in favor of three gun control bills that were ultimately signed into law, vowed to fight the recall effort at a Monday news conference and she ruled out resigning her seat.

“This is what my constituents wanted,” said Ms. Giron, adding that she’s received support from firearms owners who support the gun bills.

The Giron recall effort is the second to turn in signatures in the past week. Organizers submitted more than 16,000 signatures June 3 in an effort to oust Senate President John Morse, a Colorado Springs Democrat who helped lead the push for the gun-control bills.

The secretary of state’s office is expected to announce Friday whether there are sufficient valid signatures to place Mr. Morse’s name on the recall ballot. The certification of either recall bid would mark the first recall election against a state legislator in Colorado history.

The Colorado recall drives are being watched closely as a brewing national referendum on firearms laws in the wake of two U.S. mass shootings in 2012.

“Colorado is becoming a backdrop for this issue to play out nationally,” said Denver pollster Floyd Ciruli. “There are national implications. There’s a movement afoot in Washington to bring back some of the gun bills, and they’ll be watching to see what happens here.”

Organizers of the Giron recall stunned the state’s political establishment by collecting their signatures with volunteers, not paid petition-circulators. The grass-roots effort was led by three Pueblo plumbers, brothers Victor and Adam Head and Ernest Mascarenas.

The Senate district is packed with Democrats, but many of them also own firearms, which made it relatively easy to gather signatures, said Pueblo Freedom and Rights president Victor Head.

“We just set up our tents in parking lots and let people come to us,” said Mr. Head. “You didn’t have to talk anyone into anything, they just came and signed.”DENVER | Gun-rights advocates submitted signatures Monday against a second Democratic state lawmaker in the escalating backlash against the Colorado legislature’s recently approved gun control bills.


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/10/second-colorado-democrat-facing-recall-over-gun-vo/#ixzz2W2lC3q6K
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

MErl
June 12, 2013, 07:04 PM
this is a decent summary of the recall efforts:
www.coloradostatesman.com (http://www.coloradostatesman.com/content/994207-morse-sticking-his-guns-won%3Ft-resign-sd-11-seat)

Senate President John Morse, D-Colorado Springs, says “at this minute” he’s in it to win it, refusing to step down after recall proponents turned in more than double the number of signatures needed to force an election to oust the gun control supporter.

Also has a bit at the end about Giron.

RetiredUSNChief
June 12, 2013, 08:49 PM
People are more pissed off than at any time I can remember. I really hope NOBama and uncle fester take another run at more gun control. Perhaps then the pissed off and fed up attitudes will stick around until the 2014 elections.

NOBAMA is too stupid to know he just ruined the Democratic Party and turned control of the Senate over to the GOP for now and likely after the 2014 election.

I, too, hope people stand up and make their voices heard...loud and proud.

However, don't consider it a done deal with respect to your comment about ruining the Democratic Party and control of the Senate.

There are PLENTY of supporters of the Democratic Party out there, and it would be folly to dismiss them. Even if they lose ground in the next election cycle, they, too, will rally in an effort to regain control. It's cyclic in nature, and this is how politics works.

Political parties, as entities, are inherently long-lived critters whose platforms outlive the individual members who make up the party. Obama...indeed ANY president...is just another cog in the gears of their respective political party machines. Even the charismatic presidents are part of a larger whole and not the be-all and end-all of their parties.

A lot can happen between now and the next two national election cycles...and it wouldn't take much to swing some major support back to the Democrats again.

DeadMoneyDrew
June 18, 2013, 10:51 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57589956/colo-senator-who-pushed-for-gun-control-may-lose-job/

Glad to see you guys getting some good press. Keep it up!

longknife12
June 25, 2013, 09:00 AM
Well, we now have a second petition certified!
www.9new.com
Dan
:cool:

Queen_of_Thunder
June 25, 2013, 11:52 AM
So how do non Coloradoians help in this matter.


BTW check out this article.
http://m.nypost.com/f/mobile/news/local/loaded_mayor_gun_grab_9JbKgoeTGXiFnwVn5xxpdO

Seems like NYC tax payer money is involved in the anti gun movement in Coloardo

MErl
June 25, 2013, 12:08 PM
At this point, you cannot. When the recalls were underway donations were accepted but now it is a waiting game. Once the actual recall elections get underway there will be campaigns to support if you wish.

CoRoMo
June 25, 2013, 12:42 PM
Well, we now have a second petition certified!
www.9new.com
Dan
:cool:
I'm guessing that you mean... http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=342109
Colorado Secretary of State Scott Gessler said Monday that opponents of Sen. Angela Giron, of Pueblo, turned in nearly 13,000 valid signatures to prompt a recall election. They only needed to submit 11,285.

The governor will set a date for the recall election unless someone challenges the validity of the petition.
I would like to know what are the boundaries for the governor's setting of the date. Ex: I'd hope he can't set the date out to 2016 or some such extreme.

rondog
June 25, 2013, 12:46 PM
I wish there was a recall underway that I could get in on in my district. My tar's getting cold and the dogs keep getting into the bag of feathers......

1911austin
June 25, 2013, 01:13 PM
It would be a win for the entire country of you all remove the commies from office.

cologuy
June 25, 2013, 02:04 PM
Rondog - If there's no recall in your district, start one. I can put you in touch with the guys who organized the recall here in Pueblo. Lots of work, but it seems to be paying off.

Lawyers for Morse are challenging the exact wording of the petitions, trying to get them thrown out. Apparently there is some legal precedent here in CO that allows that, but since the wording of the petitions was downloaded directly from the Sec of State website (and developed during a Dem's tenure in that office), they might have a hard time. Anyway, if the courts determine that there are sufficient grounds to challenge the petitions, the whole thing could be tied up in court for months, since I doubt the Governor (Dem) would set a recall election date until the challenge was resolved. On the other hand, if the challenge is not effective, the Gov must set a recall election date no later than 90 days off. **Sigh***. With apologies to the lawyers on THR, I have to admit that Rondog's tar and feathers idea is sure looking like a quicker, more viable solution.

cologuy
June 28, 2013, 10:19 AM
Giron's team is now also challenging the wording of the petitions. It will be interesting to see how this challenge comes out, and either way I expect some sort of court battle.

In other news, Giron has taken some of the Washington DC and Denver money she's been given and hired a firm to call people who signed the recall petition and try to convince them to take their names off the petition voluntarily. The problem is that the callers aren't really explicit in who they are and what they're trying to do when they call, and basically if they can get you to agree to ANYTHING during the call they're counting that as permission to remove your name. So far I don't think they've removed more than a couple of names this way, and Pueblo Freedom and Rights and the local paper have done a good job of warning people (front page news, yesterday), so I don't think they'll have much luck with this method.

And one more interesting fact: I got curious and looked it up, and Giron only got 24,800 votes in the last general election. Since the recall got over 13,000 signatures, and I doubt many "opposition" voters will turn out for a recall election (as compared to a general election), this thing might actually work, if the legal battle goes our way. Keep your fingers crossed for us.

Old Fuff
June 28, 2013, 10:34 AM
You and others have done a super job with this, and in doing so have helped all of us.

The Democrats cannot allow this to go forward, but at the same time it's going to cost them a lot of money to fight it - and no matter what that money won't be available later. You on the other hand have shown what can be accomplished by a grass-roots outfit with a limited budget. In other words, money alone won't cut it, especially if it comes from out of state.

They can stall, but eventually the axe will fall. :uhoh:

ngnrd
July 1, 2013, 11:47 PM
I wish you guys all the best in the recall.

Go get 'em!

Ryanxia
July 2, 2013, 08:48 AM
Keep up the good work! Keep us posted.

MagnumWill
July 4, 2013, 07:17 PM
Forgive me since I misplaced the link, but it appear the appeals made by Morse and Giron's camps to deny the validity of the recalls were denied as of now...

MErl
July 4, 2013, 07:24 PM
The appeals on the validity of the signatures were unsuccessful. There are still other challenges based on the wording of the petitions.

Essentially enough people did sign the recall but the exact wording is now being questioned. If nothing more this is gonna make a few lawyers a good amount of money.

Vette
July 4, 2013, 07:39 PM
The petition for recalling Giron is going pretty well right now. As of last weekend, we had just over half of the signatures we need to force the recall. The local Dems must be getting nervous, because there was an article in the local paper yesterday that quoted the county clerk and some other local politicians (all Dems, of course) saying that the recall election would cost the city/county over $250,000. Given the budget problems we have, I'd imagine that news was meant to scare off some folks who might be sitting on the fence right now. Personally, I'm cautiously optimistic that the recall will happen, but this is a VERY heavily Dem area, and for the most part Giron hasn't pissed off many people besides gun owners/2nd Amendment supporters, so collecting the other half of the signatures is going to be tough. One interesting note - the local Walmarts won't let us circulate petitions in front of their stores, apparently they've taken some heat in the past from people complaining about petition gatherers being a little too aggressive. And since it's private property, it's their call, of course. Fortunately the K-Mart and lots of other places are OK with us being there. I'll try and keep this thread updated as more news develops.
I would guess Co lost a lot more than $250,000 in tourism, tax revenue, lost companies moving out of state ect. The dems didn't care about that when they voted. so I don't see any problem spending money on a recall.

cologuy
July 5, 2013, 01:59 PM
Magnumwill and Merl - You're both partly right. The recall against Morse has passed both the challlenges, the number and validity of the signatures, and the wording of the recall itself. The Governor now has to set a date for the recall election unless the courts issue an injuction delaying it until they have a chance to rule on the case that the Morse team will surely file.

Since the Giron recall was filed a week later than the Morse recall, all of the deadlines for her challenges are later. As far as I know, the 3rd was her last day to challenge signatures but I haven't heard anything yet. And her challenge of the wording of the recall won't be ruled on until next week, but since the Sec of State already said the Morse wording was correct I don't expect her challenge to go anywhere - she's just buying time so the Dems can figure out more ways to try and wiggle out of this. The longer they can drag this out, the more money they can collect from outside sources, and if they can push it off until closer to November, they might be able to convince people to not support the recall since the general election will be coming up.

If the same district judge rules on their injuction to delay the recalls like she did on the injuction by the Sheriffs in CO to delay the new laws, they still might have a chance to beat the recalls. The judge seems to be more than slightly anti-2A, but I don't know enough about her to be sure.

This thing is going to be a cliff hanger - stay tuned.

RetiredUSNChief
July 6, 2013, 01:54 PM
The local Dems must be getting nervous, because there was an article in the local paper yesterday that quoted the county clerk and some other local politicians (all Dems, of course) saying that the recall election would cost the city/county over $250,000. Given the budget problems we have, I'd imagine that news was meant to scare off some folks who might be sitting on the fence right now.

As opposed to how much was spent during the election campaigns for any given candidate, such as Giron, in the first place, hmmm?

They ought to be careful about crying foul with election budget concerns...somebody just might think to look all that information up and post it.

:evil:

longknife12
July 6, 2013, 09:01 PM
Fear not, Blooie will pay for it, it's the precedent it sets!
Dan

Old Fuff
July 7, 2013, 12:32 AM
What I think they are really worried about is the number of signers exceeded the number of votes they got during the regular election. If they can't get more of the faithful to the polls on election day, and the petition signers show up because they have an axe to grind.....

Oh well. :evil:

Radagast
July 7, 2013, 03:59 AM
A chicken can only run around the pen squawking until the axe falls. It will still run around, but now voiceless, for a little longer after that, then it goes away. Politicians are much the same.
So having an axe to grind is a good idea. Except to the chicken.

cologuy
July 16, 2013, 02:00 PM
OK, now things are starting to get interesting again. See if you can keep up with me here.

As you know, both recall petitions got enough signatures to force recall elections. As you also know, both recall subjects, Giron and Morse, challenged the wording of the petitions and their lawyers filed suits with the district court. In the last few days, the Governor, who is required by the State constitution to set a recall election date, hasn't exactly challenged the recall requirements as much as just plain ignored them, hoping that the courts will issue some sort of ruling to delay or cancel the recalls. So now, over the weekend, the Secretary of State has filed suit against the Governor to force him to set an election date, citing the need for county clerks to make proper arrangements, which obviously takes a few weeks. Also, one of the district court judges hearing the petition challenges has recused himself.

The end result of all of this is that now there is just one judge hearing both petition challenges and the suit against the Governor, and he's combined them all into one session due to be heard Wednesday (tomorrow). It promises to be a real circus, with three rings full of lawyers, protesters (on both sides, although I haven't heard anything "official" from the pro-2A folks), local "influential citizens", newsies, and who knows who else. I don't know much about the judge, but I have high hopes that all of the rulings come out in our favor and we can finally get on with business. I'll keep you posted as soon as I hear.

Ryanxia
July 16, 2013, 05:25 PM
Keep us updated cologuy! Hopefully there will be plenty of pro 2A folks there and hopefully it will all go through. A citizen's initiative is one of the last powerful legal acts the American people can do to defend themselves from their own government without resorting to force.

HKGuns
July 18, 2013, 10:29 AM
Beyond ridiculous. The ruling class appears to believe they are above the law now in this Country. Lawsuits, based on technicalities to thwart the will of the people and the rule if law.

I've had it with these flim flam artists and everyone else should be fed up as well.

akv3g4n
July 18, 2013, 10:47 AM
Looks like the judges ruling got delayed until this afternoon to see if the recall petitions are valid? Good luck guys.

hso
July 18, 2013, 12:57 PM
Good luck! If by COB today you have a favorable ruling from the judge there will be a huge message sent. If the ruling does not allow the recalls to go forward what are the reasons? Poor wording on the petitions or a complete rejection?

C.F. Plinker
July 18, 2013, 04:42 PM
Channel 9 is reporting that the recall elections can go forward.

http://www.9news.com/news/local/article/345756/222/Colo-judge-wont-block-recalls-over-gun-votes

mrvco
July 18, 2013, 05:42 PM
I'm seriously glad to see this proceeding.

MErl
July 18, 2013, 07:46 PM
Anyone know if challengers are getting their ducks in a row? Forming up behind one challenger for each of them?

There won't be much time once the date is set, no primary etc. Would hate to have the vote get split against them and they stay.

longknife12
July 18, 2013, 07:51 PM
Amazing what grass roots with principles can do!
Dan
;)

C.F. Plinker
July 19, 2013, 08:13 AM
The election is scheduled for September 10.

Ryanxia
July 19, 2013, 03:35 PM
FANTASTIC! Now don't waste it Colorado. Get someone to back and get them in!

Njal Thorgeirsson
July 31, 2013, 09:58 AM
Might want to read this, especially if you are a Colorado resident.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/30/colorado-recall-elections-risk-becoming-a-free-for-all-under-new-dem-sponsored-election-law/

MErl
July 31, 2013, 10:13 AM
yeah, I'm thinking of a word that starts with F and rhymes with broad. That is what was expected with the election changes though.

Ryanxia
July 31, 2013, 12:15 PM
Might want to read this, especially if you are a Colorado resident.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/30/colorado-recall-elections-risk-becoming-a-free-for-all-under-new-dem-sponsored-election-law/
Well that certainly mixes it up. CO residents definitely need to be aware of that.

coloradokevin
July 31, 2013, 01:34 PM
And, for anyone who doesn't want to read that link, here is the critical information:

In yet another twist in the recall elections against gun control-supporting Democrats, it appears that anyone in the state of Colorado can vote on whether Senate President John Morse and Sen. Angela Giron get the boot or stay in office.



...

As reported by the Colorado Observer, the strict wording of the law can be interpreted to mean that anyone who has lived anywhere in Colorado for at least 22 days prior to the Sept. 10 recall elections can register to vote in Morse’s and Giron’s districts, all the way up until the day of the election, whether they live in those districts or not.

All that’s required under the new law is for prospective voters to tell election staff that they intend to move to those districts in the future. Those voters don’t actually have to – state officials have no way of following up on such promises.




Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/30/colorado-recall-elections-risk-becoming-a-free-for-all-under-new-dem-sponsored-election-law/#ixzz2ae4W00CF



This is an interesting twist that I didn't expect. But, if that's the way the law is going to be officially interpreted, then our side had better be sure to prepare to get some voters there... because you know the other side is going to be seeking out young voters at Boulder colleges, etc.

We can absolutely win these recall elections, and the number of signatures gathered during the campaign to force the recall is evident of that. But, if the rules are changing regarding the handling of these recalls, then the folks who support our cause really need to be informed about it. This probably gives us a good "grass roots" opportunity, since we don't necessarily need the media to help spread the word. Perhaps RMGO or the NRA can arrange a car/bus pool to the election site for this event?


PLEASE keep in mind that these recall elections are one of our best chances to send a clear and convincing message to the gun-grabbing politicians that this sort of legislative behavior will NOT be tolerated by Colorado voters. There hasn't yet been a recall in the century+ history of the recall law (from my understanding), and two politicians who were pivotal players in these new gun laws are currently facing recall. If they fall in these elections it could certainly pave the way for a brighter future in Colorado!

longknife12
July 31, 2013, 05:08 PM
This is only the tip of what this bunch passed this year!
Dan
:uhoh:

Trunk Monkey
July 31, 2013, 05:43 PM
My personal opinion is that both will resign on Sept. 8th

C.F. Plinker
August 1, 2013, 10:09 AM
In Colorado, if the person subject to the recall petition resigns within 5 days of the petition being certified the political party can designate his or her replacement. Otherwise the election must be held within 60 days. At that election the ballot will have two parts. The first part asks if the person should be recalled. The second is an election of his/her replacement and only comes into play if the recall is approved.

So far, I haven't heard of any names being submitted for the second part of the ballot.

Ryanxia
August 1, 2013, 10:34 AM
In Colorado, if the person subject to the recall petition resigns within 5 days of the petition being certified the political party can designate his or her replacement. Otherwise the election must be held within 60 days. At that election the ballot will have two parts. The first part asks if the person should be recalled. The second is an election of his/her replacement and only comes into play if the recall is approved.

So far, I haven't heard of any names being submitted for the second part of the ballot.
The time is fast approaching, CO needs to pick two new candidates and start gathering support for them ASAP.

Trunk Monkey
August 1, 2013, 12:44 PM
So far, I haven't heard of any names being submitted for the second part of the ballot.

I have heard Bernie Herpin's name mentioned

cologuy
August 5, 2013, 03:07 PM
I've been out of town for a couple of weeks, but there's also not much going on with the recall that's new. As you know, the recall election is set for Sept 10th, and if the recalls work, there are contenders for both seats. I know nothing about the challenger in Colorado Springs, but the guy here in Pueblo is named Rivera and seems to have his head on straight - he's an ex-police chief, and at least makes the proper pro-2A noises, although I don't have info on his past record. The only thing that worries me is the incredible amount of propganda being put out by the Morse and Giron teams. Radio ads running daily, even on our local "conservative" station, tons of mailers, and more door-to-door soliciting and phone calls than we had during the last State elections. I've personally been called to the door twice to hear their spiel since getting back, despite the "Beware of Dog" and NRA stickers on the door. Next time, "Fluffy" is going to "accidentally" slip out the door past me, so I'll get to see how athletic their solicitors really are. As usual, if anything new comes up, I'll post it here.

Arbo
August 10, 2013, 02:42 PM
Just signing in to keep up with the thread.

LewSchiller
August 13, 2013, 01:06 AM
Libertarians have won a legal challenge that now requires the ballots to be reprinted to include Libertarian candidates. Seems they couldn't get candidates filed in the 10 days they had to do it in under Colorado law so the judge opened it up - just to be fair.

Libertarian candidates serve only to get Democrats elected...so...Thanks Libertarians, we sure do appreciate all the new laws and directives handed down to us by our Democrat Lawgivers :rolleyes:

coloradokevin
August 13, 2013, 01:55 AM
Libertarians have won a legal challenge that now requires the ballots to be reprinted to include Libertarian candidates. Seems they couldn't get candidates filed in the 10 days they had to do it in under Colorado law so the judge opened it up - just to be fair.

Libertarian candidates serve only to get Democrats elected...so...Thanks Libertarians, we sure do appreciate all the new laws and directives handed down to us by our Democrat Lawgivers

While I do agree with what you are saying (actually it happened here: a liberal anti-gun state senator from my district was elected ONLY because the other side's vote was split between a Republican and a Libertarian who were both viable candidates), I also hope that the Republicans will maybe get the clue that it's time to take a more Libertarian-like approach to politics. The Republicans have angered too many moderate conservatives for too long with some policies, and these issues could largely be addressed with more of a "live and let live" stance, similar to that taken by most Libertarians.

goon
August 13, 2013, 05:37 AM
Libertarian candidates serve only to get Democrats elected...so...Thanks Libertarians, we sure do appreciate all the new laws and directives handed down to us by our Democrat Lawgivers

As far as CO goes, other than wishing you all the best, I don't really have a dog in this fight.
Having said that, to Libertarians, it's the Republicans and the Democrats who continue to give us more and more of the same BS, regardless of which party is in power. I could get on board with a decent Republican candidate but they all seem to be too busy driving their party directly off the nearest cliff to put a decent candidate in front of me.
I could also support a moderate liberal (socially, this is kind of where my views are) but you always have to worry about them going too far with the party line and voting to eliminate your firearms.

Anyhow, the wild-eyed faction of the Republican party doesn't represent me or a whole lot of people who think like me. Expecting me to vote for them is as ludicrous as the anti-gun, pro-government-intrusion far-left expecting me to support their candidate.

The whole thing is an impossible situation for a guy who doesn't care if gay people are gay and happy together, doesn't care if you responsibly use pot in your basement, doesn't want the government spying on citizens, and doesn't want to be persecuted for his passionate support of the Bill of Rights.


Glad for the update on the CO recall effort though. I sincerely do wish you guys the best and hope you make the guilty parties pay. I'm rooting for an eventual repeal of that law.
It's a shame that such an awesome western state got taken over by a bunch of wailing bed-wetters.

Larry Ashcraft
August 13, 2013, 10:16 AM
but the guy here in Pueblo is named Rivera and seems to have his head on straight - he's an ex-police chief, and at least makes the proper pro-2A noises, although I don't have info on his past record.
He was never police chief, just a retired officer.

George Rivera is well-known and well-liked in the community, and definitely on our side. He may be the one who sways the election our way.

Yesterday I saw a new group picketing at a major intersection "Democrats for Rivera".

LewSchiller
August 13, 2013, 11:03 AM
I agree that too many Republicans are merely "Democrat Light". But I believe the solution to run in the Republican primaries - not run third party and split the vote thereby insuring the victory of the Democrat.

Here's a good overview (http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/examining-libertarian-vote-depth) which points out that the Libertarian Vote can just as easily go to Democrats.

goon
August 13, 2013, 01:07 PM
Lew Schiller - Yep, a Libertarian could just as easily vote for a Democrat candidate. Personally, I have some socially liberal leanings (that democrats often support) but also highly value personal responsibility, no more spending and government than necessary, and full support for the Bill of Rights (and all rights not so enumerated). I get along with conservatives on most issues but I have also been labeled "liberal" by some complete howling liberals. I don't really care - a lot of liberals are good people who have their heads on straight about a lot of stuff, including guns. In the right situation, either party may represent my views but generally, both are also fundamentally opposed to some things that I think positively should be so.

So it's not like we're voting "against" Republicans just to stick it to them. If they want to pull people like me out of the third party and under their tent, they're going to have to earn it. Simply saying "maybe I suck, but sure ain't that other guy!" isn't enough. And no offense to the many Republicans on this board, but it's my vote. It's always been my vote. If I feel Mickey Mouse is a better candidate than anyone else on the ballot, it's my right to pencil him in and hope for the best. My vote is part of my voice in my government and it belongs to me exclusively. No one has the right to blame me for not voting for their guy. Blaming Libertarians or any other third party (or the segment of the population that doesn't vote) for the losses of the Republican party isn't fair. We all have the responsibility to vote as our consciences dictate. If your guy ain't it, then that's just how it is. Choose a better guy next time and maybe you can sway enough people to get him elected.

Sorry for the political deviation. It's probably in violation of the rules, so I'll try and refrain from any more of it... I don't want to derail this thread. Anyone who wishes to discuss it further, please feel free to PM me.

LewSchiller
August 13, 2013, 03:01 PM
I understand and agree with most - and agree that we should leave it at that.

My only reason for bringing it up is that in 2010, these were the election results that kept him in office.

Candidates Votes
John Morse (D) 13,866
Owen Hill (R) 13,526
Douglas W. Randall (L) 1,320

340 votes separated Morse from his Republican challenger. 1,320 Libertarians made their statement by voting for Randall - handing the win to Morse.

Old Fuff
August 13, 2013, 05:10 PM
Also remember that at both state and federal levels, which ever party has the majority in both the Senate or House of Representatives - by whatever name - (regardless of how much that majority comes out to in numbers) controls the committees and appoints the committe chairperson. Therefore they also control what legislation gets or doesn't get passed.

For this reason a numerical majority is critical.

LewSchiller
August 13, 2013, 06:24 PM
Absolutely - Party trumps person

Arbo
August 13, 2013, 06:34 PM
Libertarians have won a legal challenge that now requires the ballots to be reprinted to include Libertarian candidates. Seems they couldn't get candidates filed in the 10 days they had to do it in under Colorado law so the judge opened it up - just to be fair.

Libertarian candidates serve only to get Democrats elected...so...Thanks Libertarians, we sure do appreciate all the new laws and directives handed down to us by our Democrat Lawgivers

Perhaps if the 'right' wasn't so anti-personal liberties, this would never happen. ;)

goon
August 13, 2013, 06:42 PM
In the case with Hill and Morse in 2010, why do you count only the Libertarians as lost votes? Isn't every vote that went to Morse a lost vote? There are undoubtedly people who voted for Morse who almost voted for Hill. The Republicans failed to secure their votes as well. The 341 votes they'd have needed to win was a rather small number. A little more work and they could have pulled that many from people who didn't go to the polls, a few libertarians, and even from Morse's own reluctant supporters.
Instead of being angry and blaming, they should look at what they did wrong and fix it.

Simply not being democrats isn't going to win us over.
In other words, Republicans are not entitled to the votes of anyone who doesn't want to vote for a Democratic candidate. There is no entitlement. There are only free people, each of whom has the right to cast his or her vote as he or she sees fit. And you have to earn their support by striving to provide the type of government they want.

This guy says it well:

“What many Republicans don’t understand is votes are earned. They don’t belong to Republican candidates,” he said. “If Republicans put up better or more liberatrian-minded candidates they wouldn’t have to worry about the Libertarian in the race.” ~ Travis Nicks.

I will say in looking at the situation with the recall election, if I lived in CO and had a chance to vote, I'd swing Republican this time and try to make the people who sided with Bloomberg's money over the Constitution have to look for new jobs. It's in the entire state's best interests to sting those people and make it known that there is a price to pay for attacking the Bill of Rights.

But if the Libertarians have a right to be on the ballot, they should be on it.
You either trust the People or you don't. If the Republicans want Libertarian votes, they need to be more inclusive, shift some of the more objectionable planks in their platform, and bring those people in.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/2013/06/25/john-morsejohn-morse-gop-to-libertarians-on-john-morses-recall-please-butt-out/97519/

My apologies to Larry Ashcraft and any other mods who happen by. I know I'm pretty close to straying over the line and too far into political discussion. Truth is I probably already have. My only excuse (albeit a poor one) is that the RKBA is an inherently politically charged issue in this country. It shouldn't be - it belongs to everyone regardless of political party - but right now it is.

Still, I swear I'll shut up about politics now.

Perhaps a better way to go with this whole thing is for those in CO to form a pro-RKBA coalition.
Be open to anyone of any party. Don't even ask about party affiliation... it doesn't matter.
Instead, focus on the issue, gain support from anyone who agrees with you, and get these people out of office.

Arbo
August 13, 2013, 06:47 PM
Good post goon, right on the money.

LewSchiller
August 13, 2013, 09:12 PM
Well said Goon. I don't disagree with anything you said. I just see the results of elections.
All that's left now is the voting - what will be will be.
Well - that and the Democrats suing because the new election rules put in place by the judge that heard the Libertarians case means that the election can't be held using mail in ballots. Candidates can be put on the ballot up to 15 days before the election. No time for mail.

http://kdvr.com/2013/08/13/democrats-will-appeal-judges-ruling-on-mail-ballots-in-recall/

That could be a good thing for the recall effort.

goon
August 13, 2013, 09:46 PM
Like I said Lew, I sincerely do wish you all a positive outcome on this. We realize that your efforts could benefit us all. The situation in your state has not gone unnoticed.

I've used it to slap down a couple of the howling liberals I know when they start on the whole "special interest groups" thing by reminding them that Bloomberg's money essentially pushed this whole thing through in Colorado. If a ******r from NYC funding anti-gun legislation and pressuring lawmakers in another state isn't some kind of screwy special interest, I don't know what is!
Like I said before, I have some pretty liberal friends that I can relate to and who are great people, but I can't stand how some people on both sides drink the kool-aid and try to turn a blind eye.

Anyhow, please do keep us informed.

LewSchiller
August 15, 2013, 10:45 AM
At the risk of being modded out -
Further to the discussion above regarding Libertarians splitting off votes, and to those who say Texas will never go Blue, here's an article about Wendy Davis' future aspirations: (http://www.aspentimes.com/news/7715130-113/davis-texas-state-schwartz)

The pull quote from Gail Schwartz, a Gun Control Colorado Democrat, -

“We are fortunate to have a majority (of Democrats in state offices) and we know, that majorities matter ,” Schwartz said. “We want to have a state that we can leave for our children that represents the values so many of us have today.”

You'll find Gail's gun control voting record here (http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/65721/gail-schwartz#.Ug0GJn96EXg) as well as her overall record...which I'll bet parallels Wendy's.

Arbo
August 15, 2013, 11:05 AM
Colorado fell, Texas will as well, eventually. ;)

LewSchiller
August 15, 2013, 11:21 AM
The only way to fight it is to refute The Blueprint step by step

Note that in the cited article Wendy is speaking at a "fundraiser in Aspen".
So...you have Texas Democrats going to Aspen to raise money from wealthy Democrats to flip Texas to Democrat control. Can you hear me now?

goon
August 15, 2013, 12:51 PM
If one party appeals to more people than the other, people will vote for that party.
Instead of being stuck on which party is in power, we should focus on making protecting the Bill of Rights and the RKBA a non-partisan issue.

Our activism efforts should not be blind loyalty to any party. Instead, our efforts should draw in people of all parties.
It's a better strategy to make the RKBA an issue that no candidate can touch in any party than it is to try to keep your boys in power all the time. Because eventually, your boys are going to lose an election.

RetiredUSNChief
August 15, 2013, 03:51 PM
I've often wondered if voting tactics took a radical change, say where we simply have a decade or two of simply voting every single incumbent out of office with each election cycle, the voters would be sending a message to the politicians to quit porking the dog and get to the business of actually running the government.

You know...like getting a darned budget passed ON TIME, EVERY TIME and living within our means as a nation.

Seems to me if we focused their attention on their primary responsibilities, they'd have less time on their hands to devote to people who don't understand what "rights" are and how to get them removed or restricted.

I know...just a pipe dream. But what a dream, huh?

:)

LewSchiller
August 15, 2013, 08:30 PM
As was said - majorities matter. If your desired representative is part of the majority running your State Legislature you'll be happy. If they're not they may still be your guy - or gal - but they won't be able to accomplish a thing.

That's what happened here. Democrats have the majority and the Governors seat. Whatever they want to do is what will be done. Only truly unworkable measures get put down. Morse sponsored a bill that would have held firearm manufacturers liable for death or injury resulting from the use of their products. That was rejected - but really just because it's been refuted on a federal level. Had that not been the case I'd be surprised if they didn't put that through as well.

The recall is an attempt to stem the tide and "send a message". God Speed the Recall. However, absent a majority, in the words of the former Secretary of State...what difference at this point does it make?
As it stands now Democrats have a 3 seat majority in the Senate and a 9 seat majority in the House. If the recalls prevail Democrats still have the majorities. If the Recalls fail they'll have the majorities and an even more inflated sense of entitlement to enact "Common Sense Solutions" for any and all of what they perceive to be the ills of society.

goon
August 15, 2013, 08:50 PM
But... how are you going to change a majority?
If a majority of people in a state vote for one party, that party is in power. It's not possible to track down everyone who'd vote for that party and twist their arm and make them vote for the other guy. And it's not American.

And... the actions of Republicans in NY on gun laws still make Colorado's democrats look like a bunch of choir boys in comparison. Wasn't it Republicans and a Republican governor who saddled the citizens of that state with the 7 round magazine capacity limit?

Admittedly, the left does push more gun control. But Republicans are not even close to innocent.

The RKBA shouldn't be a partisan issue. By pretending it is, the shooting community alienates people on the left who support the Second Amendment. Even the NRA is seen by many on the left as a mouthpiece of the republican party rather than as a true RKBA organization.
We've got to do something about that. We have to get those people in our ranks.

Twmaster
August 16, 2013, 07:38 PM
Cuomo Republican? Hardly.

goon
August 17, 2013, 03:34 AM
I stand corrected. However, the NY State Senate is led by Republicans.

http://www.nysenate.gov/senate-leadership-list

If Republicans are so great and so pro-RKBA, how come they didn't monkey-stomp the recent gun control in NY, the most strict in the nation if I'm correct, when they had the chance? A united group of Republican NY state senators had the chance to stop this and didn't. There is no getting around that.
I'd trust a rural Montana Democrat a lot more than I'd trust a NY Republican.

And again, we need to stop pretending RKBA is a partisan issue.

LewSchiller
August 17, 2013, 08:26 AM
I'd trust a rural Montana Democrat a lot more than I'd trust a NY Republican.

So would I. Just like the Democrats of old - before their party was taken by "Progressives" - there are a lot out there with their head on straight.
I agree that it's not a left or right issue, but the reality is that in today's climate when Democrats have the majority they run with it.

Singletracker
August 24, 2013, 05:22 PM
Article in Denver Post this week that Gov. Hickenlooper's approval rating is way down. With next years election the polls say only 42% say he should get a second term. 48% saying he should be gone. Primary feedback is most respondents stated it was due to his anti 2A implementaions

vamo
August 24, 2013, 10:07 PM
f Republicans are so great and so pro-RKBA, how come they didn't monkey-stomp the recent gun control in NY, the most strict in the nation if I'm correct, when they had the chance? A united group of Republican NY state senators had the chance to stop this and didn't. There is no getting around that.
I'd trust a rural Montana Democrat a lot more than I'd trust a NY Republican.

And again, we need to stop pretending RKBA is a partisan issue.

Actually the NY senate is 33 to 30 democratic, that link you provide only list the party leadership positions, but you're right in the R's didn't exactly put up a valiant resistance. State politics can get a bit weird in a state like NY and Cali the R's tend to be RINO's, just like in Alabama and Montana the D's tend to be DINO's. However, at the national level we know which party has been our friend.

Delford
August 25, 2013, 12:26 AM
What Goon said. RKBA is a nonpartisan issue.

longknife12
August 27, 2013, 08:10 PM
Finances come to play. Today, the two received mega funds from Bloomberg and another! I just hope voters in those districts hold tight that they cannot be bought.

www.9news.com

Dan
:mad:

MErl
August 27, 2013, 08:21 PM
direct link for once it drops off the front page
http://www.9news.com/news/article/352470/339/Colo-lawmakers-facing-recalls-get-big-money

DENVER (AP) - Campaigns supporting two Colorado Democratic legislators facing recalls over new gun restrictions have raised nearly $2 million to help them.

Thats likely more than they spent in 2012.

Old Fuff
August 27, 2013, 08:50 PM
The money - most likely to be spent on TV and radio advertisements - may influence some undecided voters, but it won't get to those that have a real stake in the issue. "Our side" is motivated by the knowledge that they have something to lose in both civil rights and material possessions. Liberal's money won't change their minds, and once spent it won’t be available for later elections in 2014 and 2016.

The important thing is to get behind "a" single candidate and support him or her.

Under-financed grass roots advocates were the ones that won the recall drive, and they can do it again.

Queen_of_Thunder
August 27, 2013, 09:47 PM
I see bloomberg has sent $350,000 to fight the recsll.

goon
August 27, 2013, 11:25 PM
It's nice to see that Bloomberg, a New Yorker, knows exactly what the residents of Colorado need.
That kind of arrogance sickens me.

Ryanxia
August 28, 2013, 08:22 AM
I hope you guys are getting involved in this and spreading the word. Otherwise Bloomberg will prove that he can throw money into another state and control it's policies.

cologuy
August 28, 2013, 12:33 PM
Just a quick update. You've all seen the previous posts concerning the money being spent to defend Giron and Morse, so I won't repeat that, other than to say that some of the numbers reported yesterday are actually kind of low.

Things are really heating up here in Pueblo. So far, there have been 13 lawsuits filed in conjunction with the recalls, several of which were filed against our local County Clerk and his election staff to force them to comply with Colorado election law. As a very vocal Dem in a predominantly Dem county, he's doing everything he can to hold things up or make them too complicated for people to comply with. In his latest effort, he's mailed out several thousand cards that will serve as "identification" at the polling places. The problem is that nobody can or will verify that these cards were sent to registered voters, or what criteria was used to determine who gets one of these cards. Anyway, according to the county clerk, if you have one of these cards in your possession, you don't have to show any other form of ID to vote, or even verify that you're the person named on the card!! It's obviously in conflict with the Colorado constitution and election laws, and he has to know that it won't be allowed to happen, but it's just an example of the confusion he's trying to create. And since I'll be working at one of the polling places, I'm sure we'll see at least a few confused voters show up with the cards, and I'm betting we see a few folks "sharing" their card outside the building. Anyway, the local recall group, Pueblo Freedom and Rights, intends to file a lawsuit today to get this corrected.

There's also a Giron supporter being brought up on criminal charges, for secretly recording a meeting of PFR volunteers without their knowledge. Apparently the Giron camp has been infiltrating the PFR and recording things for a while, but this guy got caught and spilled the beans. I'll let you know how this turns out.

If any of you are in the Pueblo area and haven't already contacted Pueblo Freedom and Rights, please do so ASAP. They've got lots of volunteers, but always need more, for anything from painting signs to answering phones to knocking on doors. Even an hour or two is helpful and appreciated. And if any of you other folks are going to be in southern Colorado in the next couple of weeks, stop in and volunteer a couple of hours - you don't have to be a local resident to help out!

Old Fuff
August 28, 2013, 06:59 PM
If any of you are in the Pueblo area and haven't already contacted Pueblo Freedom and Rights, please do so ASAP. They've got lots of volunteers, but always need more, for anything from painting signs to answering phones to knocking on doors. Even an hour or two is helpful and appreciated. And if any of you other folks are going to be in southern Colorado in the next couple of weeks, stop in and volunteer a couple of hours - you don't have to be a local resident to help out!

If the response to this is positive it will likely run New York City's Mayor into the ground. We are about to see just how much people value their gun ownership rights. I’m also sure the advocates at the PFR can use all of the financial help they can get, and even small contributions can make a difference.

You don't like Bloomberg? Then don't just sit there, stand up and kick his butt! :cuss:

coloradokevin
September 4, 2013, 01:54 AM
For some reason Facebook "suggested" a page for me today: a group that is opposing the recall elections in Colorado. I imagine that there is a lot of out of state influence on this page, but we still ought to remain aware of them (and their intended tactics) as the election day approaches.

Here's a link, for those of you who "Facebook":

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=401447273289438&set=p.401447273289438&type=1&theater

https://www.facebook.com/DemandAction?hc_location=stream


The best part about reading their page was that the main page (the "suggested" post) had a pro-gun to anti-gun post ratio of probably at least 8:1 earlier tonight (guesstimate).

Remember, our opponents in this debate believe that they are serving a higher purpose by forcing these new laws upon us. They do NOT believe that they need to play fair, and they'll use dirty tactics to manipulate the results if they can! Stay vigilant, and lets hope that our friends in Pueblo/Springs get this done in a few days!

Ryanxia
September 10, 2013, 09:17 AM
Good luck today guys! Give em H-E-double hockey sticks! :D

MagnunJoe
September 10, 2013, 10:13 AM
It would really suck if we lose. Can u imagine Bloomberg donating money to every anti- gun candidate next summer?

Ryanxia
September 10, 2013, 10:24 AM
It would really suck if we lose. Can u imagine Bloomberg donating money to every anti- gun candidate next summer?
Even if we lose it still sends a message that anti gun reps may face another election to keep their seat. Even with Bloomberg's $$ it's risky.

Hopefully our Colorado brethren are working their asses off today, as they have been throughout this whole process.

MErl
September 10, 2013, 10:42 AM
It would really suck if we lose. Can u imagine Bloomberg donating money to every anti- gun candidate next summer?
I'm sure that was the implied if not outright promise made last spring.

Trunk Monkey
September 10, 2013, 11:17 AM
I heard on the news last night that people are already messing around with the election and attempting to disrupt the process

armoredman
September 10, 2013, 01:06 PM
Of course - Bloomers and his ilk cannot stand the idea of free and fair elections - goes against the grain. I hope all goes well in Colorado, and we will see Bloomers throwing his money in every state against every pro freedom official, and with every pro slavery one.

Checked CNN home page - story isn't even on the front page. Maine Lobster Has Six Claws is more newsworthy. I kid not.

dab102999
September 10, 2013, 01:16 PM
I am 1500 miles away and is not newsworthy around here I guess. Is there any link to a live count in progress??

Derek Zeanah
September 10, 2013, 01:18 PM
I am 1500 miles away and is not newsworthy around here I guess. Is there any link to a live count in progress??
I'd like to see the same. A search pointed to Fox as a news source, but they're not tracking turnout or anything. Just a blurb on the recall vote today.

Outlaw Man
September 10, 2013, 01:21 PM
Checked CNN home page - story isn't even on the front page. Maine Lobster Has Six Claws is more newsworthy. I kid not.
Well, of course! I mean, do you still charge by the pound, or is there an up charge for the extra claw meat?? Red Lobster is probably going crazy!

Seriously, though, it's already a victory just making them face another election, as said. Still, it would be amazing if both of them have to start packing tonight.

Good luck, guys!!!

MacTech
September 10, 2013, 02:12 PM
Checked CNN home page - story isn't even on the front page. Maine Lobster Has Six Claws is more newsworthy. I kid not.
Now Zoidberg is the popular one! :)

Seriously though, good luck Coloradans, Maine is pulling for you, send those scumbags home and tell bloomie to get the <censored> out of any state that isn't moo yawk

Trunk Monkey
September 10, 2013, 02:36 PM
I'd like to see the same. A search pointed to Fox as a news source, but they're not tracking turnout or anything. Just a blurb on the recall vote today.

According to local radio station KVOR turn out is relativly high (given that only two parts of two cities can vote)

Fryerpower
September 10, 2013, 02:46 PM
Washington Post is reporting that Republican turnout appears to be much higher than Democrat turnout. Too bad they couldn't report based on the recall views instead of party lines. I'm sure there are quite a few gun owning democrats out there that are miffed and are voting their conscience.

Jim

bainter1212
September 10, 2013, 02:54 PM
Tagged

Ryanxia
September 10, 2013, 04:15 PM
I hope the recall is successful and I hope we get an after action report from some THR members.

It's funny how what started as a grassroots campaign ballooned into this national coverage with the big players involved. Everyone needs to remember this was started by regular folks and regardless how much money is thrown around, the voters are the only ones who make a difference in the end.

Hopefully some other recall efforts will surface after this regardless of the outcome.

longknife12
September 10, 2013, 05:27 PM
Vaya Con Dios. Next year, we can take the state back!
Dan

SharpsDressedMan
September 10, 2013, 05:58 PM
Good Luck, Colorado!

clutch
September 10, 2013, 06:07 PM
I lived in CO for a brief time in the early 60's. I'd love to visit it again in 9 years when I tour the remaining free states after my retirement.

Show up to vote, call on your gun owning friends to do the same, and keep Freedom alive!

Trent
September 10, 2013, 06:21 PM
Tagging for updates, best of luck!

hso
September 10, 2013, 06:40 PM
Good luck CO!

When will the polls close on this?

RiverPerson
September 10, 2013, 07:06 PM
Good luck CO!

When will the polls close on this?
I believe 7pm.

Any locals have important updates?

Bobson
September 10, 2013, 07:07 PM
What's the best case result here? Is the vote for recalling the politicians themselves, to remove them from office?

I'm just confused about what the actual goal of the vote is.

hso
September 10, 2013, 07:13 PM
Yes, a recall vote will remove them from office.

I would think Morse is the more important of the two to remove from office because he holds the more influential office, but the big prize would be to remove both Morse and Giron from their seats because of their votes on gun prohibition in CO.

jrdolall
September 10, 2013, 07:28 PM
Can we get a recall vote going for the entire Obama administration as well?

I sure hope this recall works though they seldom do. It would be good to send a message to politicians all over the country that they need to vote the way their constituents want rather than how outside money wants or, realistically, how their heart wants. They are elected to carry out the will of the people they represent and not their own political agendas nor those of some nutjob in NYC.

splithoof
September 10, 2013, 07:28 PM
The latest update from the Denver Post Online does not seem to show actual voted results, but talks about percentages of Dems/Reps and early voting.
Hopefully, their appearance of down-playing at this point is indicative of their deep concern, as most medial outlets would rather the recall fail.
I pray that is passes, and with a landslide. Thus it may give us here in California resolve to start the process to get reparations for decades of civil rights violations.

dab102999
September 10, 2013, 07:29 PM
http://m.gazette.com/

This is colorado gazzett. At 7:15 they are supposed to start giveing updates on vote count

Carl N. Brown
September 10, 2013, 07:57 PM
Colorado State Senators Angela Giron and John Morse (Democrats) face recall elections 10 Sep 2013
The World Wonders:
o Colorado recall a proxy in national gun control debate - CNN.com
o Early turnout strong in Colorado recall effort on gun-control... -FoxNew
o Colorado voters test power of gun lobby in recall elections ... -Reuters
o Colorado lawmakers who backed tougher gun-control laws face recall - Washington Post
o Colorado recall under way: Will it send a message on gun control? - Christian Science Monitor
o MILLER: Colorado recall election a call to arms against Obama - Washington Times
o Outside money shows national interest in Colorado recall - Denver Post

horseman1
September 10, 2013, 09:04 PM
You folks from outside of Colorado would be amazed listening to the lies and nonsense in the no recall ads. Comical really. They don't mention anything Morse has done, or why he should stay in office. They only provide wild and obviously crazy accusations about the alternative candidates. It is very hard to believe that anyone with even half a brain would believe these ads.

primalmu
September 10, 2013, 09:31 PM
Looks like El Paso county (Morse) preliminary results are:

Yes: 52.18%
No: 47.82%

https://twitter.com/ClerkEPC

I also read that Pueblo county polls stayed open until 7:15 due to long lines.

primalmu
September 10, 2013, 09:36 PM
More: http://www.elpasoelections.com/2013Recall/results.html

Old Fuff
September 10, 2013, 09:45 PM
They only provide wild and obviously crazy accusations about the alternative candidates. It is very hard to believe that anyone with even half a brain would believe these ads.

The people they are appealing too don't have half a ......

Never mind. :banghead:

MagnumWill
September 10, 2013, 10:01 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_24064007/colorado-recall-morse-says-turnout-lower-than-he?source=pkg


Early turnout shows Morse still at 52% yes/47% no, with Giron at 31% yes / 68.9% no.

Anyone who has lived in Pueblo (myself included) will understand why Giron has a clear advantage in this one, as expected IMO.

Still have my fingers crossed Morse's turns out the way it is. Regardless, fantastic effort everyone. Thank you for your support!

Beach Nut
September 10, 2013, 10:02 PM
So far, so good! One of the anti-gun Democrats is sinking and there is another to
go. I hope both of them bite the dust and Bloomberg has just wasted all of the cash
he spent sticking his nose in this election.

Twmaster
September 10, 2013, 10:08 PM
So Morse gets the heave-ho and Giron stays?

RandyRay41
September 10, 2013, 10:10 PM
Wish you Colorado residents the best. I'm in Alabama and following

primalmu
September 10, 2013, 10:12 PM
Only one precinct in Pueblo county has reported. Current count is 215 Yes, 477 No. Not exactly enough votes to make a guess yet.

DeadMoneyDrew
September 10, 2013, 10:24 PM
So Morse gets the heave-ho and Giron stays?
Don't count your chickens just yet. But I hope this holds, as ousting the Senate president is a pretty big deal.

MagnumWill
September 10, 2013, 10:27 PM
And also with Pueblo, the precincts will vary wildly compared to El Paso county and Colorado Springs, since it's a predominantly military town due to Ft. Carson.

DeadMoneyDrew
September 10, 2013, 10:29 PM
What time do the polls close? 8pm local time?

58limited
September 10, 2013, 10:31 PM
Fox 21 is showing both recall elections. Good luck to Colorado on this very important vote.

http://www.fox21news.com/news/story.aspx?id=944933#.Ui_VCX-Pxos

rockhopper46038
September 10, 2013, 10:43 PM
I see results showing that Morse has been recalled and replaced. Nothing on Giron yet.


http://www.elpasoelections.com/2013Recall/results.html

http://www.elpasoelections.com/2013Recall/results.html

Ok, those seem to work.

DeadMoneyDrew
September 10, 2013, 10:48 PM
^ that link doesn't work rock.

X-Rap
September 10, 2013, 10:56 PM
Looks like we got a 50/50 split. I knew Pueblo would be a tough nut to crack for a Republican. Certainly nothing definitive.

Saleen322
September 10, 2013, 11:12 PM
Just read this. It looks like the Senate Leader is toast:
That pretty much does it. Hard for Morse to make up 726 vote deficit with just 2,581 votes outstanding.

John Morse is now giving his concession speech........:D

climbnjump
September 10, 2013, 11:21 PM
As I type this, Morse is making a concession speech...

heeler
September 10, 2013, 11:25 PM
Congratulations to all the hard workers who helped this come about.
Hopefully the other foot will drop as well.

Dirtdgger
September 10, 2013, 11:26 PM
Just heard morse conceded.

Derek Zeanah
September 10, 2013, 11:26 PM
Morse is making a concession speech...This makes me smile.

I bet he's blaming the Evil Gun Industry for unfairly targeting him for trying to make his constituents safe using common sense gun legislation that did not impact anyone's 2nd Amendment rights and has objectively made Coloradoans safer...

Or something. Maybe Bloomberg will hire him.

58limited
September 10, 2013, 11:28 PM
What was it Morse said a few weeks back? Oh, yes: "I have already been elected twice, I am excited by the prospect of being elected a third time." Sorry Johnny, but the people have spoken.

Ohio Gun Guy
September 10, 2013, 11:34 PM
Good Going Colorado (That district anyway)

Saleen322
September 10, 2013, 11:36 PM
...and Giron is now far from safe with 25% in...(yes means recall)

Per JeffTucker4: Yes: 5,476 56.96 % no: 4,137 43.04. %.

MagnumWill
September 10, 2013, 11:43 PM
http://scribblelive.mobi/Event/Colorado_Recall_Election_2013?Theme=6291&lang=en


DEFINITELY right about too early to predict. 93% reporting for Morse, which stands at 51.0% yes / 48.9 % no, with Giron at 25% reporting with a drastic change at 56.9% yes / 43.0% no..


****EDIT*****

Same percentages for Giron, with 43% reporting.


Site is showing Morse recall is a "Yes".


Thank you so much, fellow Coloradans....




You just made history.

heeler
September 10, 2013, 11:44 PM
At this moment you can bet she's drinking a bottle of Maalox.:D

fanchisimo
September 10, 2013, 11:50 PM
Way to go Colorado! It's nice to see politicians being held accountable for going against their constituencies to pursue a personal (or out of state) agenda. Not just a good day for Colorado, but it's a message to all bad politicians.

Derek Zeanah
September 10, 2013, 11:56 PM
Here's a good link:

http://data.denverpost.com/election/results/ballot-issue/2013/

Flfiremedic
September 10, 2013, 11:57 PM
Yes 56.9 %
No 43%
43% Counted.
Giron a no show at party Hq

ETA: Giron to speak 2215 hrs MT

MagnunJoe
September 10, 2013, 11:58 PM
Now, if that could only happen in other states the NRA would be on my will.

heeler
September 10, 2013, 11:59 PM
Probably went to get a stiff drink as the Maalox ain't working.

Elessar
September 11, 2013, 12:03 AM
Yes!!!!! :neener:

Ridgerunner665
September 11, 2013, 12:06 AM
The power of the people at its finest....

Reaffirm the words....By the People, for the People!

MagnumWill
September 11, 2013, 12:07 AM
Probably went to get a stiff drink as the Maalox ain't working.
.

Either that, or I heard the Puebloans had a big, juicy slice of humble pie with her name on it. Morse's already horked down his piece before it got cold.

Schwing
September 11, 2013, 12:07 AM
Anyone else noticing that there is dead silence from the media so far??

primalmu
September 11, 2013, 12:07 AM
Giron is 60% Yes, 40% No so far with 62% reporting.

Flfiremedic
September 11, 2013, 12:08 AM
Yes 59.8%

No 40.1%

62% reporting

PedalBiker
September 11, 2013, 12:09 AM
Too bad we can't ad Kefalas and Ginal to the list. I've had email conversations wtih Kefalas - he is just really not quite all there. He's a "nice" guy but he just doesn't get the real world.

For instance I wanted him to look into changing state traffic laws - "that's a local issue" --- NO, it's not, it's STATE law I was talking about.

He was a lobbyist for Catholic charities and while he was running for office made a big deal about his abortion views - no big surprise he lost his job working for Catholics?!?! He also cheated on his income taxes, though he claims he's fully paid up now.

Saleen322
September 11, 2013, 12:09 AM
Here is an "objective" tweet from a CNN reporter:

Ashley Killough ‏@KilloughCNN
In Colorado recall, results so far show Angela Giron with a big advantage in Pueblo but John Morse is slightly behind

THERE is some unbiased reporting seeing that Morse conceded and Giron trails 43% to 57%.....:rolleyes: No wonder Fox kicks their butt.

hi-tower
September 11, 2013, 12:10 AM
I too have noticed nothing in the media. Wonder what they will say if anything at all tomorrow.

MagnumWill
September 11, 2013, 12:10 AM
Oh yeah. This does NOT promote their ideals; hence, it didn't happen HEY EVERYBODY LOOK AT SYRIA!! LOOK AT MILEY CYRUS'S NEW VIDEO!!!



...clowns. :neener:

another pake
September 11, 2013, 12:10 AM
"Steady as she goes boys."

Good Work Colorado!

Watching with great interest from Minnesotastan.

ozarkhillbilly
September 11, 2013, 12:13 AM
Thanks for the updates, national news is not saying anything.

MagnumWill
September 11, 2013, 12:16 AM
Morse lost by less than 350 votes.



...sure does suck when the other side *just* sneaks something past you, huh?

Ridgerunner665
September 11, 2013, 12:17 AM
Giron seems to be losing ground fast...

I don't expect the media to give it very much attention...their side is losing.

MagnumWill
September 11, 2013, 12:21 AM
She's almost behind by 20 percent as it stands right now.



It sure feels good that my $40 to NRA-ILA just cost the richest man in New York six digits. :D :neener: :D :neener:

Njal Thorgeirsson
September 11, 2013, 12:22 AM
Hahaha, just heard Morse say this on 9news (regarding how he felt about the situation):

"If you lose your job, what's the big deal? There's lots of other things out there for people to do. I'm a CPA, so if you need a CPA, call." -John Morse.


:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:neener::neener:

coloradokevin
September 11, 2013, 12:22 AM
Morse lost by less than 350 votes.

Isn't that also the approximate number by which he won in the general election? If so, it would mean his margin of loss was even greater than his margin of win, since there were far fewer voters in the recall election. Good riddance!

I just hope Giron has to stand in line with him at the unemployment office.

Ridgerunner665
September 11, 2013, 12:23 AM
I'm gonna send the NRA-ILA some money next week myself...I feel like they've earned it.

MagnunJoe
September 11, 2013, 12:26 AM
Blumberger $350K per candidate did not work, it may have hindered.

Mike Sr.
September 11, 2013, 12:27 AM
Not a word in print on sh t fa ed Yahoo

Trent
September 11, 2013, 12:27 AM
This is great - wait - GREAT news guys!

Congratulations.

PedalBiker
September 11, 2013, 12:29 AM
I guess Bloomberg just wasted a whole pile of money.

primalmu
September 11, 2013, 12:33 AM
It's being reported on the front page of Huffington Post. Can't bring myself to read the whole article (like most HP articles), but I'm sure whatever they say is biased. They did mention that, collectively, Giron and Morse collected over $3 million, while proponents of the recall collected a comparatively meager $540,000.

Coop45
September 11, 2013, 12:33 AM
69% in 59.8 yes 40.1

MagnunJoe
September 11, 2013, 12:37 AM
Democrats still control state politics in Colorado!

Trunk Monkey
September 11, 2013, 12:38 AM
With 100% reporting John Morse has been recalled 51% to 49% Morse conceded at 930 pm

With 63% reporting in Pueblo Giron is behind with 60% voting FOR the recall and 40% voting AGAINST

Saleen322
September 11, 2013, 12:39 AM
Well the other gun grabber is DONE!! This summary posted says it all...

Most votes counted. Recall effort (Giron) ahead by 4,100 votes. Insurmountable.

Flfiremedic
September 11, 2013, 12:39 AM
Yes 56%
No 43.9%
100 % reportingJob well done CO!

Total Recall :-)

primalmu
September 11, 2013, 12:40 AM
Final numbers for Giron: Yes - 56%, No - 44%.

Trunk Monkey
September 11, 2013, 12:42 AM
They interviewed Morse on the news just now and he is PISSED.

Ridgerunner665
September 11, 2013, 12:42 AM
Congratulations Colorado!!!

Derek Zeanah
September 11, 2013, 12:42 AM
Outstanding!

MagnumWill
September 11, 2013, 12:43 AM
http://data.denverpost.com/election/results/ballot-issue/2013/


It's over, everyone. I can't believe we did it, I am just beaming with pride for my fellow Coloradans who took care of business and all of our friends and allies in the other states.




THANKS EVERYONE!!!!!!!

Trent
September 11, 2013, 12:44 AM
They interviewed Morse on the news just now and he is PISSED.

HAH! That makes me feel so warm and fuzzy inside.

(Mods; don't edit this one. This was an historic day and what he said was accurately portrayed and not offensive.)

Ridgerunner665
September 11, 2013, 12:45 AM
They interviewed Morse on the news just now and he is PISSED.

Good...now he knows how his constituents felt.

primalmu
September 11, 2013, 12:45 AM
Giron is currently nowhere to be found, apparently.

goon
September 11, 2013, 12:45 AM
Glad to hear it.
Not just because of guns, but because these elected officials didn't listen to their constituents. Now they're paying the price and the rest are being reminded that it's the will of the People that puts them in their office. And that the People can replace them.
I like that. It's refreshing.

Ridgerunner665
September 11, 2013, 12:48 AM
Glad to hear it.
Not just because of guns, but because these elected officials didn't listen to their constituents. Now they're paying the price and the rest are being reminded that it's the will of the People that puts them in their office. And that the People can replace them.
I like that. It's refreshing.

I'll 2nd that...it is refreshing.

JohnKSa
September 11, 2013, 12:50 AM
Does this open up a reasonable possibility of rescinding the laws that were passed?

Trent
September 11, 2013, 12:52 AM
John; I'd say "pretty damned good".

But I'm not a fortune teller.

Thing is, this is going to send a shockwave through the political world. Politicians will now know they aren't "safe" when they push the vote button and betray their constituents.

Ridgerunner665
September 11, 2013, 12:53 AM
If I were the newly elected officials...my first order of business would be finding out just exactly what my constituents wanted to do about the laws in question.

primalmu
September 11, 2013, 12:54 AM
I'm hoping that this will give citizens across the nation the initiative to challenge their current representatives.

Ridgerunner665
September 11, 2013, 12:59 AM
I'm hoping that this will give citizens across the nation the initiative to challenge their current representatives.

That...and...

Hoping that this will give elected officials across the nation the incentive do their jobs....and represent the will of the People!

JohnKSa
September 11, 2013, 12:59 AM
This should send a powerful message to other CO politicians who might suspect that they've angered their constituents. If there's a better time to start pushing HARD for the law to be rescinded, I can't imagine when it would be.

Remember, we will NEVER win this war because there will always be people attacking us. Our only options are to continue fighting or give up and lose.

This was certainly a battle won, but it's a stepping stone, not an end in itself.

So what's the first step in rescinding the law now that there's sufficient support to manage it?

Trunk Monkey
September 11, 2013, 12:59 AM
If I were the newly elected officials...my first order of business would be finding out just exactly what my constituents wanted to do about the laws in question.

I'd say the people of Colorado have made themselves pretty clear in regards to this legislation.

Giron has apparently conceded with out actually making the concession speech, which isn’t actually all that surprising considering that as it’s become more apparent that this wasn’t gonna go her way she has distanced herself more and more from the people

Black Butte
September 11, 2013, 12:59 AM
Awesome news! Be proud Colorado. :)

Trent
September 11, 2013, 01:02 AM
HAHA! Front page news on my tablet.

Took a screenshot for posterity.

http://i.imgur.com/Hpa7ViLl.png

Ridgerunner665
September 11, 2013, 01:04 AM
I guess the next step is for the good folks of Colorado to let the newly elected officials know what they want...

Queen_of_Thunder
September 11, 2013, 01:07 AM
My congratulations to the people of Colorado. Not only have you sent a statewide message ypu have sent a message that will be heard around this nation. Good job folks.

JohnKSa
September 11, 2013, 01:07 AM
I guess the next step is for the good folks of Colorado to let the newly elected officials know what they want...Let the letter writing begin.

It would be awesome if there were a LOT of emails waiting for CO state representatives when they came to work in the morning. Not just for the two new ones, but for ALL of them.

Trunk Monkey
September 11, 2013, 01:08 AM
I guess the next step is for the good folks of Colorado to let the newly elected officials know what they want...

Again, as someone who is actually here I'm going to say we pretty much have

Herpin has already said getting the legislation overturned is number one on the list

Trent
September 11, 2013, 01:10 AM
HAHA! Top "US" category headliner on the New York Times.

Guess this seals the deal on the question "Will this make mainstream news"...

Yeah.

Think it will. :)


http://i.imgur.com/YLnIzyOl.png

creitzel
September 11, 2013, 01:10 AM
Great job guys! Very happy to see these two bums get thrown out on their back sides, and knowing that Bloomberg spent a bunch of his money for nothing, makes it all the sweeter of a victory.

Maybe you guys can help some of the other counties get organized, and throw out a few more of the supporters of these laws.

Ridgerunner665
September 11, 2013, 01:11 AM
The other next step is to prevent the media from spinning this as a win for "the gun lobby"...

That's not what it was (not at the heart of it)...this was a win for the People.

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