Pardon a possibly very stupid question re: The S&W 4006


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Trunk Monkey
April 30, 2013, 02:59 PM
was the pistol designed around the round or the round designed with tat pistol in mind

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JTQ
April 30, 2013, 03:10 PM
As I recall, it was the round first, the .40 S&W, then the pistol to shoot it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.40_S%26W

ku4hx
April 30, 2013, 03:38 PM
Since the round is called the 40 Smith & Wesson (40 S&W), I'd assume it was more of a collaborative effort.

What I remember is what Wikipedia has to say: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.40_S%26W

Havok7416
April 30, 2013, 04:51 PM
The 4006 is just a 1006 rechambered for the new (.40 S&W) cartridge. Technically speaking the gun existed before the cartridge.

9mmepiphany
April 30, 2013, 05:08 PM
The 4006 is just a 1006 rechambered for the new (.40 S&W) cartridge. Technically speaking the gun existed before the cartridge.
Actually it isn't. The 1006 is built of the same sized frame as the 4506, while the 4006 is built on the same frame as the 5906. You might have confused it with the compact version which was built on the same frame as the 4516, until the introduction of the Sc frame.

RE:OP
The .40 S&W cartridge was designed to fit a .40" cartridge, with the same velocity as the 10mm FBI load, into a 9mm sized action. However due to the different pressure characteristics and increased slide velocity, the mass of the slide had to be increased. So, the gun wasn't designed around the round, but it was a current gun which was adapted to handle the round...as was the Glock G22 and C23. IIRC the first pistols designed specifically around the .40 S&W cartridge were the SIG 229 and the H&K USP

tarosean
April 30, 2013, 05:26 PM
They were introduced together. So this might just be a chicken or egg question..

Trunk Monkey
April 30, 2013, 06:35 PM
The .40 S&W cartridge was designed to fit a .40" cartridge, with the same velocity as the 10mm FBI load, into a 9mm sized action

Are you saying that a .40 S&W fired from a 4006 will have the same velocity as a 10mm fired from a 1006?

19-3Ben
April 30, 2013, 07:01 PM
re you saying that a .40 S&W fired from a 4006 will have the same velocity as a 10mm fired from a 1006?

10mm can be loaded much hotter than .40S&W, but the standard FBI load, and most defense loadings are around the same levels as the .40S&W.

I think there was an issue with the full power loads recoiling too heavily for many of the officers using them.

9mmepiphany
April 30, 2013, 07:45 PM
Are you saying that a .40 S&W fired from a 4006 will have the same velocity as a 10mm fired from a 1006?
No, I'm saying that the 4006 throwing a 180gr bullet, will have about the same velocity as a FBI load 10mm 180gr bullet out of a 1076...Approx. 970-1000 fps

Texan Scott
April 30, 2013, 09:59 PM
Are you saying that a .40 S&W fired from a 4006 will have the same velocity as a 10mm fired from a 1006?

Obligatory "Are you suggesting they're migratory?" :p

We must consult the Book of Armaments!

jmr40
April 30, 2013, 10:06 PM
The 4006 is just a 5906 retooled to shoot 40 S&W. It was designed as 9mm then converted. I wouldn't let that worry me. The 5906 and 4006 are both tanks that hold up well. One of the sturdier 40 S&W pistol designs.

As said, the 1006 is a single stack 10mm pistol built on the same frame as the 4506. Completely different from the 4006.

David E
April 30, 2013, 10:21 PM
The 4006 is just a 5906 retooled to shoot 40 S&W.

Not quite. The 5906 did not exist in January of 1990 when the 4006 and the .40 S&W cartridge were introduced.

The 4006 was the first of the mid-frame "3rd Gen" S&W semi-autos.

You could say the base gun for the 4006 was the 659, but not the 5906.

frankenstein406
April 30, 2013, 10:31 PM
just buy the s&w revolver so you can shoot both, wish I could afford one right now.

Trunk Monkey
May 1, 2013, 08:00 AM
10mm can be loaded much hotter than .40S&W, but the standard FBI load, and most defense loadings are around the same levels as the .40S&W.

I think there was an issue with the full power loads recoiling too heavily for many of the officers using them.

No, I'm saying that the 4006 throwing a 180gr bullet, will have about the same velocity as a FBI load 10mm 180gr bullet out of a 1076...Approx. 970-1000 fps

Obligatory "Are you suggesting they're migratory?"

We must consult the Book of Armaments!

Thanks for the answers, this part of shooting has always been voo doo to me and I've never understood it.

Now I have to ask if a 4006 and a 1076 are going to same velocity 9(= force?) with a 180 grain bullet why buy the 1076? Especially since .40 amuntition is cheaper?

ku4hx
May 1, 2013, 08:42 AM
Thanks for the answers, this part of shooting has always been voo doo to me and I've never understood it.

Now I have to ask if a 4006 and a 1076 are going to same velocity 9(= force?) with a 180 grain bullet why buy the 1076? Especially since .40 amuntition is cheaper?
That depends strictly on what you want. The 10mm can do everything the 40 can do and a lot more. Now days, with the exception of a very few companies, factory 10mm fodder is not all that hot. For us long term ammunition crafters, the 10mm is a hand loaders dream.

With proper bullet and powder selection, I can load my 10mm down to puppy poots, all the way up to the hottest factory offerings and anywhere in between. There is room for some customization with the 40, but not as much as with the 10mm.

If you goal is to have a gun that fires 40 caliber bullets, ammunition cost is a concern and you don't anticipate rolling your own, the 40 is likely a better choice for you.

David E
May 1, 2013, 10:27 AM
The 10mm can do everything the 40 can do...

Except fit in a 9mm size platform.

For a woods gun, I much prefer the 10mm for the reasons cited. For general purposes, I prefer the size of a .40

ku4hx
May 1, 2013, 11:56 AM
Except fit in a 9mm size platform.
Yep, that's an important shortcoming to keep in mind.

HOOfan_1
May 1, 2013, 12:30 PM
Now I have to ask if a 4006 and a 1076 are going to same velocity 9(= force?) with a 180 grain bullet why buy the 1076? Especially since .40 amuntition is cheaper?

What do you mean? African or European?

As stated above though...that was the FBI load...not the typical factory load

David E
May 1, 2013, 06:55 PM
Yep, that's an important shortcoming to keep in mind.

It's not a shortcoming, it's just how it is.

jmr40
May 1, 2013, 10:20 PM
Not quite. The 5906 did not exist in January of 1990 when the 4006 and the .40 S&W cartridge were introduced.

The 4006 was the first of the mid-frame "3rd Gen" S&W semi-autos.



According to this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_5906
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_4006

The 5906 was first in 1989, followed by the 4006 in 1990.

Even if this source is incorrect both are direct descendents of the 659 which is designed around the 9mm chambering. Not that I'm concerned. I consider both the 4006 and 5906 to be among the toughest of the semi's. If I were to buy another 40 the 4006 would be near the top of my list.

David E
May 2, 2013, 01:29 AM
Well, that source shows a picture of a 5946 instead of a 5906.......

But the 659 preceded both and was the base gun for both.

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