Trouble with Sellier & Bellot Primers LNL


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tjd78z
May 1, 2013, 08:40 PM
I have a lock and load progressive press and have been loading 45 ACP with CCI large pistol primers. Just picked up some Sellier & Bellot LPP and they are not feeding correctly through the LNL primer system. It is causing the primer shuttle to be stuck in the back position due to the next primer in line catching the first primer. The CCI's fed perfectly through there, is there any chance that there is a possible size difference that could be effecting this and has anyone ever had this happen?

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ReloaderFred
May 1, 2013, 09:27 PM
The problem is the anvil sticking up a little higher, which essentially makes it thicker. While I love my LNL press, I prefer to prime all my brass off press, no matter the caliber. I insist on all my primers being .004" below flush, and that's the only way I can guarantee they are.

Hope this helps.

Fred

SpentCasing
May 1, 2013, 09:43 PM
while i load 9mm on my LnL, anything S&B is promptly thrown in the scrap pile. stuff is junk.

tjd78z
May 1, 2013, 09:49 PM
Seems I'm up poo creek without a paddle. The LNL is the only press I have and same with the primers for now, about 2000 of them.

Walkalong
May 1, 2013, 09:56 PM
I also prime off the press with a hand primer. It might be worth picking up a Lee hand primer for those pesky S&B primers.


I like S&B brass. I have quite a bit in 9MM and .45. Good stuff. :)

thump_rrr
May 1, 2013, 11:27 PM
I bought 5,000 S&B SPP a few months ago.
Now I need to check if they will function with the LnL.
Just one more thing to worry about now.

ReloaderFred
May 2, 2013, 12:30 AM
S&B brass is excellent brass, but I have no experience with their primers. You might try cleaning the slide track on the LNL and see if that helps. Sometimes a little debris can cause big problems.

Hope this helps.

Fred

tjd78z
May 2, 2013, 12:37 AM
Thanks Fred, but I did that and the same thing happened. Then I switched back to the CCI primers and everything goes smoothly.

cowtownup
May 2, 2013, 12:41 AM
I have had good luck with S&B primers. I've had 2 that didn't fire on first drop of hammer but did on 2nd try... They seem a little softer than other primers because when I seat them sometimes the push rod on my hand primer leaves an indention. With the current market, I am thankful to have some... Good luck...

CD8226
May 2, 2013, 12:45 AM
Good friend had a LNL progressive when they first came out. He really liked the press, but he too had problems with certain brands of primers. He finally went to priming off the press and that cured the problem.

floydster
May 2, 2013, 09:08 AM
I have an LnL AP also, and I learn't early on to prime off the press:)

hAkron
May 2, 2013, 09:12 AM
Some people have used a coin in the press to give the primer punch a little push. After a while the punch creates a divot in the press and may not be pushed up as high resulting in some primers not seating deep enough.

Blue68f100
May 2, 2013, 09:28 AM
I only press prime on a progressive so the primer system must work. I have seen this a few time with Win primers on a LNL. What you need to do is bevel the sled primer hole slightly to remove the sharp edge. If you measure the height of the primers they may actually be shorter. When this happened on a friends LNL he was thinking high and so was I, but it was the opposite. This will allow the spring of the sled to pull the sled forward. Make sure the track is polished as well as the bottom of the sled for smooth operation. If the problem persist try only a few primers in the tube to reduce weight. With the win primers it did it on as little as 10 primers. This is when I started measuring the ones not feeding and discovered the height was shorter. Knocking that sharp edge off allowed the sled to move under all conditions. Now if you find the primers tall, put a piece of paper under the primer base unit to raise it 0.003".

kerreckt
May 2, 2013, 09:28 AM
I have no problems with S&B primers or S&B products in general. I have never had a dud in over 25k of all sizes of primers. I use an old Dillon 450 which still works great after more than 30 years of steady use. The brass is excellent and I especially like the tight primer pockets. They seem to extend the usable life of the brass and to allow more reloads. Good luck with your LNL problem. Wish I could help you but have no experience with that product.

david bachelder
May 2, 2013, 09:54 AM
Push the handle all the way down raising the shell plate all the way up and remove the primer plunger. Clean it well, very well. Lube it with a light oil like 3N1. Work it with your hand several times and repeat the cleaning process again if needed. Re-install it.

Mine did this and the process above stopped it.

Get a bottle of compressed air, like they sell at office supply stores and probably WalMart. Use it to blow out the primer ram prior to the reloading session.

Sometimes the primer slide will pull the primer guide wire away from the seat at the bottom. This is all caused by the same thing.

1KPerDay
May 2, 2013, 10:15 AM
anything S&B is promptly thrown in the scrap pile. stuff is junk.
LOL

RainDodger
May 2, 2013, 01:39 PM
I laughed at the comment as well - pointless waste of print. S&B stuff is just fine.

All components will vary in dimension a bit and some equipment doesn't handle that variation as well as other equipment. My Square Deal didn't really like CCI primers, so I don't use them in that press. Easy solution.

ArchAngelCD
May 2, 2013, 01:50 PM
while i load 9mm on my LnL, anything S&B is promptly thrown in the scrap pile. stuff is junk.
LOL
I laughed at the comment as well - pointless waste of print. S&B stuff is just fine.

All components will vary in dimension a bit and some equipment doesn't handle that variation as well as other equipment. My Square Deal didn't really like CCI primers, so I don't use them in that press. Easy solution.
It's especially funny because the OP was complaining about S&B primers, not their brass. I also like S&B brass, it works just fine for me... I have never used their primers so I can't comment but I doubt there's anything wrong with them.

RPegram
May 2, 2013, 05:45 PM
I have used their primers for .38 special and using a Lee safety primer with no issues. The rounds all went bang.

john16443
May 2, 2013, 07:29 PM
Can't address the S&B LPP's in a LNL directly, but I've not had a single hiccup with loading S&B SPP's in my LNL. Matter of fact, there hasn't been a large or small pistol primer that has given me a lick of trouble in the LNL. The only modification I've made is to glue a small piece of hacksaw blade to the base to cover the indent made by the primer seating punch.

tjd78z
May 2, 2013, 08:11 PM
All good stuff I will give the piece of paper and bevel trick a try tomorrow when I get off work. Will keep you all posted with my results! Thanks!!!

armarsh
May 2, 2013, 10:36 PM
while i load 9mm on my LnL, anything S&B is promptly thrown in the scrap pile. stuff is junk.

S&B 30 Tokarev cases are the finest made.

Osageid
May 3, 2013, 12:26 AM
Although I load on a different press, S&B primers have always done their job.

tjd78z
May 6, 2013, 09:04 PM
Ran 100 through the other night after beveling my primer shuttle, no hangups!

THANK YOU!!!

Blue68f100
May 7, 2013, 09:25 AM
Glad it worked for you....

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