Your mosin m44 experience


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bigdaa
May 2, 2013, 10:48 AM
I would like to hear your experience with this rifle and opinions, good and bad about it. If you can list the history and manufacturer of your rifle also, that would be helpful.

I am on the verge of buying one and would like to know what I am getting into through your eyes.

Accuracy, function, maintenance, ease of use etc.

Your opinion is much appreciated.

Dave

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Orion8472
May 2, 2013, 11:54 AM
Well, I have a 1944 and a 1946. Bought them because my brother has a 91/30 that I liked but liked the shorter M44. The kick is stout, but an amazing experience. A short story:

My brother and I took the Russians out to the range [first time with my 1944 M44]. He shot 5 rounds out of his 91/30 and I was a few feet back at the 5 o'clock position. After he was done, I readied mine to shot. I started firing it and noticed the larger fireball that came out of the end ot he barrel. Fired another. Looked back to see what my brother thought [who WAS standing about the same place as I was before I started]. He was back on the bench well behind me. I figured his back was hurting, so he had to sit down. After I was done, I wanted to see if he wanted to shoot it, and he agreed to. I stood at the same "few feet, 5 o'clock" position. When my brother fired my M44, I realized why he sat on the bench. I . . . . I think I even SAW the pressure wave as it hit me. Needless to say, anytime I take it out to the range, the lanes near me have people coming over to see what the crap is being shot in my lane. :D

I put a limbsaver on my good one [the 1946]. Cuts down on the thump from the metal butt plate.

nathan
May 2, 2013, 12:00 PM
If you get one, you will get another one. THey are addicting. THe ammo is just powerful and affordable vs the new reality today. Besides you can hunt with hogs and deer with it.

bigdaa
May 2, 2013, 12:04 PM
Hmmmmmmmm so far so good gents. Thank you.

TAKtical
May 2, 2013, 12:07 PM
I have a 1944 russian. Good accuracy at 100yards. Havent pushed it further than that though. Got it in excellent condition for $199

bigdaa
May 2, 2013, 12:12 PM
What ammo do you guys prefer to shoot out of it? How many you run with that steel buttplate before you stop and have a sip of water and a rest?

I picked up the lite ball ammo, some on strippers and a case of 880 in cans plus another separate can of the same. I think the bullet weight is 147 or so.

I'm no stranger to a kicking rifle with my Ruger No.1 Heavy Tropical in 458 Win Mag. This will be mostly a shooter for my boys but I'll slip in there now and then to polish off a bottle bird or can rabbit.

akv3g4n
May 2, 2013, 12:19 PM
I have a 1944 matching (except mag which is force matched). I was really surprised how accurate it was at 100 yards (furthest i can shoot at my range). Mine was perfectly zeroed out of the box. Recoil is noticeable but manageable. I've been shooting the new production TulaAmmo through it and after a box of 20 rounds I need a break and after another box I'm done for the day. I suppose a recoil pad would help. The steel butt plate doesn't do your shoulder any favors.

That rifle is a steal for anything $350 or under IMHO.

And yeah, you can't have just 1....

bigdaa
May 2, 2013, 12:28 PM
I have a 1944 matching (except mag which is force matched). I was really surprised how accurate it was at 100 yards (furthest i can shoot at my range). Mine was perfectly zeroed out of the box. Recoil is noticeable but manageable. I've been shooting the new production TulaAmmo through it and after a box of 20 rounds I need a break and after another box I'm done for the day. I suppose a recoil pad would help. The steel butt plate doesn't do your shoulder any favors.

That rifle is a steal for anything $350 or under IMHO.

And yeah, you can't have just 1....
Well......I do have two boys and generally buy two of everything, budget not withstanding.

Looks like I'll have to see how these boys act with it.

Things all depend on the sale of this Ruger Mini 30 I have. Hoping my work buddy comes through. Got fingers crossed. If he does go for it, we go down tho the FFL and do the transfer and I ask the FFL "MAN" to order me an M44!

Voodoochile
May 2, 2013, 12:49 PM
Mine is a 1944 IZZY with the bored crown & shoots quite well at 100 - 200 yards with 182gr. Brown Bear, haven't tried it any further.

My buddy has one that he just got a few months back, think it's a 1946 IZZY with excellent crown but he's having good luck with the Spam Can 147gr. surpluss, not match accuracy but holding his own at 100 yards.

geo57
May 2, 2013, 01:46 PM
My M44 is a 1944 Izhevsk. I removed the bayonet as soon as I bought it and before I sighted it in. It is counter bored. I shoot non-corrosive ammo only. It has been tested / plinked with Tula , Wolf, Silver Bear and Brown Bear 150 gr. FMJ, ; Barnaul 185 gr. FMJ and Privi Partizan 150 gr. SP . I have harvested 3 whitetail deer with it and the Privi 150 gr. SP. Three shots, three deer. Two dropped in their tracks and the third went about 7 yards. Mine is very accurate at the ranges I need it to be. While I slightly prefer my Mosin 91/30 for both plinking and hunting, the M44 does both well too. I do have a rubber slip on recoil pad on it mainly for added stock length and I like them when hunting especially if the ground is wet / has snow. An M44 kicks no worse for me than any other centerfire rifle cartridge with similar ballistics.

Orion8472
May 2, 2013, 01:50 PM
My 1946 will only see non-corrosive in it. Nice shiney bore. The 1944 has a dull and rather pit-ish looking bore. I'll run anything through it.

foghornl
May 2, 2013, 01:56 PM
Mine is a 1954 Romanian.

Serious thumper on both ends, and a HUGE fireball with 'heavy ball' ammo. Bayonet folded vs. extended does make a difference in horizontal POI, about 3" @ 100Yds.

newglockguy
May 2, 2013, 02:08 PM
Shot my cousins 1944 M44 at a 12 inch steel plate at 100 yards, nailed it every time. Awesome gun to shoot. I almost like it better than my 91/30

morcey2
May 2, 2013, 02:09 PM
I've got three of them. 1 is an Izhevsk 1944, and the other two are Hungarian, 1952 and 1953 respectively. The Izh shoots pretty well at 100 yards. The 1952 Hun has a scary looking bore and is counterbored, but shoots really well with handloads. It seems to like heavier bullets, 174-203 grain. The other Hun looks unfired, but I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. Hopefully this weekend. Most of soviet refurbs that I have seen are good shooters and accurate enough. You won't be popping prairie-dogs at 500 yards with them, but hitting a milk jug at 100 yards, or even 200, is definitely doable.

Recoil can be pretty stout with them. I have a couple of slip-on recoil pads that bounce around betwixt my mosins. Without it, I can handle about 15 rounds of surplus with them before my shoulder cries for mercy. With, I can shoot for quite a while.

The 1952 is my backup hunting gun/truck gun since it shoots well enough that I trust it, and it doesn't mind being bounced around behind the seat.

Matt

fdashes
May 2, 2013, 02:13 PM
Fun and surprisingly accurate for the short rifle it is

thralldad
May 2, 2013, 02:19 PM
My 1952 Polish is factory fresh. It's my favorite. I did put a rubber butt-pad that increased the LOP and saved my shoulder. Fireballs!!

sixgunner455
May 2, 2013, 02:26 PM
1954 Romanian. $50. Kept it a while, got to be less fun to take a 2x4 whack to the shoulder every time I shot it, sold it for $100 and bought a K31 for $80.

Don't really miss it, but I think about getting a 91/30 or M39 Finn. Usually, when I seriously start thinking about that, I take the money I would have spent and buy ammo for the K31. :D

If you like the M44, it's a great, functional rifle, and cheap to shoot, but they don't suit everybody.

nathan
May 2, 2013, 02:33 PM
Always bring along your flat head screwdriver . Those two action screws will loosen up after every so hundred rounds fired. Just one caveat, dont overtighten or you bugger it up.

minutemen1776
May 2, 2013, 02:33 PM
I've had two, a 1943 (yes, there are a few of those) and a post-war 1945. Both were Izhevsk arsenal rifles. The 1943 had a sticky bolt that was very hard to operate. The 1945 did just fine. With both, though, I found that the bayonet made the rifle too nose-heavy and, when folded, the bayonet made it uncomfortable to grip the forestock. After selling both, I bought a matching 1944 M38, which is exactly like an M44, but without the folding bayonet. Unlike many M38s out there, mine is matching and is NOT counterbored. I really like it. With a small Limbsaver, the length is perfect and the recoil is no worse than any centerfire hunting rifle. My M38 also has the distinction of being the only Mosin-Nagant I've owned (including M44s, 91/30s, and Finn M39s) that shoots to point of aim.

BCRider
May 2, 2013, 02:43 PM
I've got one from Poland or Czeckoslovakia or one of the other iron curtain satellites stamped "10" in a circle that was made in 1953. The same year as me... :D

It's noisy and kicks like a mule. But a slip on recoil pad can deal with the recoil easily enough.

It's as accurate with millsurp ammo as my long barrel Mosins. Which is to say that it's bad. But I have not shot any match like reloads through it yet. Just got the bits together and need to make some to try out.

All in all I'd say that the rifle itself will be fine. The thing looks like new. But using the poor consistency milsurp ammo in it pretty much hamstrings the gun so the groups are poor. Like 8'ish inches at 100 sort of poor. But this is certainly the ammo's fault. I don't doubt that with some decent reloads that me and my old guy vision will have little trouble getting things down to around 3 inchs at 100. And even then it'll likely be my eyes struggling with the military plain style iron sights that are the limiting factor at that point.

Should you get one? If you like the historical aspect and get a lot of smiles from this sort of shooting with plain iron sights I'd say yes. And when shot around dusk the big BOOM! and huge muzzle flash ball will bring folks from all over the range to watch, point and laugh... :D

nathan
May 2, 2013, 02:50 PM
If a VC woman can slung it on their backs while working the humid rice paddies of Nam and can shoot at passing Hueys with no problem, then it must be something to pay attention to.
Dont uderestimate the power of the M 44. Many helos went down in the war bec a lucky shot to its hydraulics will cause it to go belly up.

morcey2
May 2, 2013, 02:55 PM
My M38 also has the distinction of being the only Mosin-Nagant I've owned (including M44s, 91/30s, and Finn M39s) that shoots to point of aim.

All that means is that you're aiming wrong with the rest of 'em. :)

Sambo82
May 2, 2013, 03:48 PM
Got a 1944 last month and now it sets next to my 1939 k98. LOVE shooting it and ammo is plentiful. You can really feel that 7.62x54 blast with a barrel so short. Get one while they're still cheap. There was a time not long ago when you could pick up unsporterized k98's for a hundred bucks...

The Teacher
May 2, 2013, 04:14 PM
Both my Chinese T53 and Russian M44 are literally a blast, and both shot point of aim from the get-go at 100yds without any adjustments or bayonets extended;) Both feel like they are a part of me. Love em!!

Cosmoline
May 2, 2013, 04:26 PM
I've owned several Soviets and a Pole. I intend to get another Pole. Some observations:

--They are usually calibrated for light ball, and tend to shoot high.

--The bayonet in/out is often irrelevant because they were never properly sighted in. The approach I take is to shoot a selection of ammo and then sight in with a brass tap to the POI for whatever it likes best. So if it prefers surplus Polish 54R, I sight in for that with the bayonet folded. If the thing is just shooting way high, Mojo is a quick way to resolve that.

--The weight is fairly substantial. It's not really a carbine variation, but was intended to replace the M-91 rifle. So it weighs a good pound or pound and a half more than the M38.

--Recoil is really not bad. I think a lot of the reports of big punches come from people not holding it well or just thinking it hits hard because it makes so much noise. By physics it should not be kicking any more than a 91/30.

--The bayonet is fun, and when the zombies come you will be standing on a pile, M44 upraised in gory triumph! ;-) Seriously, it is pretty silly to have it on there but it gives the thing character.

Overall it's a fine Mosin and the Poles in particular rank as some of the very best of all Mosins. It didn't serve long with the Soviets since the SKS replaced it as the main line rifle pretty quickly, but it did see a lot of action among Soviet allies.

pyro073
May 2, 2013, 05:20 PM
I have a 1946 Izzy, I like shooting it more than my 91/30. The M44 kicks like a mule compared to the old 91/30 especially with old MG ammo.

I got it from my old man for my birthday years ago after he saw me drooling over them in the shotgun news. It is easily my favorite bolt action I have right now and will always have a place in the safe.

nathan
May 2, 2013, 06:11 PM
I bought a front sight adjuster from Ebay . Its a must have if you want to hit poa. I also can use it for my M91/59 with a little screw modification.

Jcinnb
May 2, 2013, 06:16 PM
The biggest issue with the M44 is the crowd it attracts when those fireballs come out of the barrel.

Fun to shoot and accurate enough. I prefer my Finnish M39, for accuracy, but the M44 draws a crowd. I generally spend more time passing out ammo so folks can get their picture taken with the fireball. A lot of fun, but as a result, I have never really shot it seriously, but that is not bad either.

Get one, and good luck.

jcinnb

GCMkc
May 2, 2013, 10:08 PM
I bent the bayonet on mine jamming it into an old tree :evil:. Took it off the rifle. The front sight is super loose and just floats around. I usually fire a few rounds out just for fun. Definitely a beater rifle. First rifle I ever bought myself so I have a soft spot for it.

On the other hand, I could use a Finnish rifle for some serious shooting. What's the going rate for one these days?

justice06rr
May 2, 2013, 10:24 PM
For me the worst thing is trying to find another M44 to accompany the one I already have =)

They are great shooters. I like my M44 much better than my 91/30. The only downside now is that they cost a lot more than they used to and they are harder to find.

Scooter22
May 3, 2013, 12:20 AM
To be honest if your looking for a shorter Mosin I'd get a M38 or M91/59. I have 8 or so M44s. From a brand new unissued and mixed beater Polish up through 1943,44, 45,46,47,48 izzy or Tula depending on the years. I like them but I got them cheap. 79, 89, or 109.00 dollars each. They now are 250-300++. They are kinda clumsy and nose heavy because of the bayo. Even if you remove it the lug sticks out the right side. For the money get one of the other carbines. They handle better and don't snag pulling them out of a scabbard or gun case. But if you really want the "pig sticker", "Hitler proctoligy probe", "Stalin Skewer" then you need a M44. JMHO

meanmrmustard
May 3, 2013, 07:13 AM
My first M44 experience was with a beautiful, numbers matching Polish in excellent condition. I've fawned over it since first sight...until I shot it.

Didn't double up on hearing protection. It's louder than my SBR.:banghead:

Sadly, it isn't mine, but a buddy's. maybe someday...

vaupet
May 3, 2013, 07:40 AM
mine is 1952, factory fresh from poland.

spectacular more then accurate,
Great ball's of fire!!

When I used it at an indoor range, some people were not amused, to say the least.
(I did check with management 'prior to deployment' !!)

greetz

Peter

kBob
May 3, 2013, 10:46 AM
Ruskii apparently bring back with out papers as no import mark found yet. I shoot other military rifles such as 03s, M-1s and M98s and such......I think the M44 with Chinese ammo does kick more than any of the others.

I fired my first shot from it from the kneel and a buddy ran up and asked if I was OK for sweat flew from my hair, dust from my back and the fireball was observable from behind me in mid after noon.

Still it is a neat rifle. I use the bayonet for "mounting" the rifle behind the firing line when not in use by shoving the spike into the ground as deep as possible. Once had some one walk by and ask, "who died?"

I keep meaning to try some squib loads with ball or light bullets and Unique just to see what I get. I am thinking single Aught buck for round ball and maybe the 120 grain plain base lead .30 carbine bullets for a bullet each over a little unique. Just curious. if I can play like the .30-30 guys with pipsquek loads for critters and cans.

hunttheevil
May 3, 2013, 11:02 AM
I bought an M44 back when the iron curtain fell (latter 80's?) and have never researched it or shot it. It's been in the safe for about 25 years. I guess I should get it out and see what I have. Supposedly it came straight out of Russia, and was bought on a group buy for $100.

Tempest 455
May 3, 2013, 12:00 PM
This is better than telling you!

https://home.comcast.net/~ericdouthitt/M44_Trent.jpg

https://home.comcast.net/~ericdouthitt/M44_Fireball.jpg

bigdaa
May 3, 2013, 12:26 PM
^.............THAT IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!


My boys will definitely get a boot in the pants over that!

Thanks everyone for the info and opinions!

I'd love to get one for each boy, but I just may take an alternate approach and check out the 38 too as the second rifle!

I know I will not have the pleasure of paying those great prices most of you did, but "I snoozed, I losed" comes into play here.


Dave

USAF_Vet
May 3, 2013, 03:24 PM
I've had both a 91/30 and an M-44.

I've ended up selling them both, but I do kinda regret selling the M-44.

Mine was a 1953 Hungarian with a bubba stock job, poor finish, but it was a blast to shoot. I also replaced the steel butt plate with a rubber one.

Recoil is manageable, the noise, the fireball and the blast wave are impressive. Fun rifle to shoot.

The bayonet is a novelty of days gone by, but people still get a kick out if of stabbing junk with it.

ldlfh7
May 3, 2013, 03:58 PM
A mosin is a mosin is a mosin. They are all durable cool collectables. M38/M44/91-30 are pretty much the same. Some are shorter, some longer, some lighter, some heavier. All fire the same round and have about the same accuracy in my experience.

Whacked
May 3, 2013, 06:22 PM
1944 Tula Hex M44
Accuracy, not too bad.
Since the last time I shot it, I free floated the barrel, shimmed the receiver, replaced the sear/trigger spring with a NOS Finnish one.

I really need to go back to the range and see how it shoots now.

fireside44
May 3, 2013, 06:27 PM
I had one. It was the most crude rifle I've ever seen. It looked as though it was built using a dull file or worn out mill bit. Sold it for a few more bucks than I bought it. No thanks.

Kachok
May 3, 2013, 06:50 PM
I don't care for the Mosins too much, they are accurate enough for general purpose plinking (aprox 2MOA) but they are a long way from a range masterpiece. There is absolutely no refinement to the Mosin, but that is it's appeal to some people, I think it would make a better club then a rifle, but to each his own, the stock is poorly designed, the action is rough to say the least, only feature I really like is the iron sights which are pretty decent. Mass production Soviet quality, you get what you pay for. As far as reliability goes I have never had one break but I have had feeding issues with one of them. If you are into WWII era guns, don't need fantastic performance and are on a shoestring budget then the Mosin is as good a choice as any I guess. There are modern rifles you can get on the cheap that will shoot circles around a Mosin ANYDAY, namely the Savage 110 and Marlin X7 I have been able to stroke regular cloverleaf accuracy out of both.
Oh and as to the recoil of the Mosin carbines, they are unpleasant to shoot for me, and I can handle several boxes of 30-06 in a lightweight well designed rifle. Not really painful, and it does not leave a bruise like my old 70 did but not something I enjoy shooting.

chrisTx
May 3, 2013, 06:59 PM
It's a nice rifle to have. I bought mine for $49. It's a 1945 war time gun with all numbers matching. I almost sold it once, but I think I will hang onto it. Never know when I'll need a flame thrower.

jon_in_wv
May 3, 2013, 07:00 PM
I was on the range one day and two older gents were shooting some really nice 6mm bench rifles. They were letting a young lady try one out and the owner commented how much muzzle blast the 6mm had. I told them, "Heck if you guys want to see muzzle blast I have something for you." and I retrieved my M44 from the trunk of my car. One shot and their jaws dropped, then turned into big ol' smiles! The conversation quickly turned to the M44 and they were even impressed that it had some accuracy since I was punching holes in a tight little group at a paper plate 100 yards away. The M44 is just a blast (pun intended) to shoot.

zhyla
May 3, 2013, 08:39 PM
I like my M44. With a little tweaking these are very serviceable rifles. It does take a little while to get used to the boom and the kick. I haven't found a comfortable way to shoot mine prone yet. I should probably pansy out and get a butt pad.

I need to get my front sight adjusted to move the POI where I want it with the bayonet retracted. And that is going to be a long, painful afternoon.

Heavy ball out that short barrel is a thing to behold.

hunttheevil
May 3, 2013, 09:52 PM
I looked mine up it's a 1944 Izzy with all matching numbers, pristine bore, and a laminated stock.

bigdaa
May 3, 2013, 10:00 PM
I looked mine up it's a 1944 Izzy with all matching numbers, pristine bore, and a laminated stock.
That's very nice. Very nice indeed.

hunttheevil
May 3, 2013, 10:43 PM
Thanks Bigdaa! Everyone has me excited about these fireballs! I may as well get some ammo and test drive it.

bigdaa
May 3, 2013, 11:22 PM
Thanks Bigdaa! Everyone has me excited about these fireballs! I may as well get some ammo and test drive it.
Well, if you were here, I'd treat ya to your first couple of boxes of Russian.

morcey2
May 3, 2013, 11:38 PM
Thanks Bigdaa! Everyone has me excited about these fireballs! I may as well get some ammo and test drive it.
You need to be very careful. Having left it unfired for that long, it could be very depressed or angry and seeking vengeance. You may need to take it out, give it a good massage, let it see the outside world, maybe some relationship counseling prior to giving it any live ammo.

Have fun with it!

Matt

project82s10
May 4, 2013, 12:32 AM
I have to say I'm quite pleased with my Polish m44. Like new condition, little more thump than my Finn 28, and everyone just loves the fireball. Haven't done any 100yrd shots with it yet but I'd be curious to see how it does up against the Finn.

Riven_Cole
May 4, 2013, 11:34 AM
i have a chinese t53, made in october of 53 if i read the date code right, that had a fugly stock (almost no finish on it) that i chose to paint (better than leaving it bare/dirty so please dont flame me) i also got a cocking knob peep (non-permanent mod) and fiber optic front sight (rear sight was gone, and front sight shot really low and right with, by about 7 inches at 50 yds., when peep was installed, permanent. original post was too long and bent left) old sight was silver-soldered and took a gunsmith about an hour of work to remove w/o causing damage.
after that it shot exactly to point of aim at 100 with bayo taken off. i get 2-3 inch groups at that distance. with bayo on... 14 inches :scrutiny: (no clue as to why, out or in the results are the same). boy does it light up the range even in daytime. trigger is VERY light after i had it "finned". about 3 Lbs. before: umm... the trigger was heavy, lets just say that. (13 Lbs. :eek:) bolt is smooth though. barrel looked like crap till i ran a bunch of copper solvent through it and gave it a very good thrice over. now it is shiney and rifling is strong. got it for $100 about 6 months ago

bigdaa
May 7, 2013, 11:17 AM
My mini-30 is sold.

As soon as the funds arrive and I deliver the whole 9 yards to the shipper, time to get serious on the M44 which is a definite!

The responses were overwhelmingly positive and thus, bolstered my initial feeling for the short barrel set up.

Thanks to all you guys for chiming in and helping.........ALL you guys!!


Dave

kingcheese
May 8, 2013, 08:20 AM
I Have An M38 Which Is Very Similar To The M44, First Time I Took It Out I Was Drowning Out The Noise Of About 5 Shotguns, They Are Amazingly Fun, Accuracy I Managed To Hit A Water Bottle Out At 200 Yards Not Bad In My Opinion For the$80 it Cost Me

bigdaa
May 8, 2013, 10:13 AM
Jeeze King, there will be no 80 dollar guns for me I am afraid. But ya know, it doesn't bother me that much. Money is worth less each day, so buying soon, I am ahead of the game.

In the meantime, I got about 1500 rounds to fondle.

kingcheese
May 8, 2013, 12:30 PM
Them Guns Cost More And More Every Year, I Think Its Solid Investment

Red Eye Fred
May 8, 2013, 11:18 PM
I have several mosin nagants of each Model. None are highly accurate -UNTIL - I added a Timney trigger to one. The 100 yard groups went from about 8 inches to about 2. But I am happy with all of them

Orion8472
May 9, 2013, 10:25 AM
How can you tell if there is a Timney trigger in it? I ask because of my two M44s, . . . the "beater" 1944 model has a fairly heavy trigger, after some takeup. The good one, 1946, has a fairly light trigger with just a small amount of travel before release.

Riven_Cole
May 9, 2013, 11:01 AM
timney triggers look like the attached image there is also a huber concepts trigger which looks more or less like a normal mosin trigger which also lightens the pull a bit, not as good as a timney though.
another reason the trigger might be good is it may have been "finned" which is to say that someone put 2 slight bends in it to lighten it. i did that to mine and it is now a 3 lb trigger down from about 13. i have never felt a trigger that heavy before or since i first fired my t53.
edit: whoops meant to say 2 slight bends in the trigger spring

Orion8472
May 9, 2013, 12:23 PM
Thanks, Cole. I'll check that out tonight. Regardless, my 1946 has a very nice trigger. :)

Riven_Cole
May 9, 2013, 12:26 PM
no problem. glad to help.

kingcheese
May 9, 2013, 12:28 PM
I believe the timney also adds a safety to the gun

bigdaa
May 9, 2013, 12:30 PM
Dang.....even more excellent info.

I will be ordering my rifle as soon as funds hit my bank.

Going with Classic Firearms which was mentioned here by fanchisimo. Thanks, fan....they are nice people to de3al with.

Got my Dealer to send in his FFL, all I have to do is give em my debit card and we go!

morcey2
May 9, 2013, 01:55 PM
I believe the timney also adds a safety to the gun
Mosins already have safeties. They're just a pain to operate, but very effective once enabled.

Riven_Cole
May 9, 2013, 02:06 PM
it is true that the original mosin safety is effective, but in some cases, like mine, the safety does not engage because when the cocking knob safety is rotated, the bolt rotates a little with it and on mine for example dropping the bolt back down disengages the safety. not ideal but the gun works fine otherwise and i think it is an issue with the fact that none of the parts on this particular bolt match. still headspaces fine so i am ok with it. my safety is between my ears, and if i have to move it i do so without it loaded and the bolt open/removed. that said i dont rely on ANY mechanical safety. they can and do fail

kingcheese
May 9, 2013, 10:18 PM
I know they got that bolt safety deal, I was thinking that the timney kit added a more conventional button style safety?

Gottahaveone
May 9, 2013, 10:35 PM
The M44 is the only rifle I own that will kill and cook your deer at the same time.....
I just love shooting this thing :D

The_Armed_Therapist
May 9, 2013, 10:44 PM
Ay... Sold it and never looked back.

Steel Horse Rider
May 9, 2013, 11:15 PM
Riven Cole: If your bolt is turning with the safety knob you need to completely disassemble your bolt, clean all the parts with WD-40, kerosene, or some other solvent to remove the hardened cosmoline and crust, then coat it lightly with grease or gun oil and reassemble it. The bolt should stay in place when you turn the "safety" knob which is actually the end of the firing pin.

Riven_Cole
May 10, 2013, 08:53 AM
@kingcheese: the timney adds a lever safety to the top of the gun.
@gottahaveone: that looks about right. ;)
@steel horse rider: bolt is completely clean and greased/oiled. i know whats causing this. i am just not interested in using the mosins original safety enough to fix it, especially when the gun works just fine. like i said: my safety is between my ears. (read: my brain.)

LittleColt
May 10, 2013, 12:01 PM
I have a Mosin question that is somewhat along the lines of this discussion thread. In a moment of weakness last week (wink, wink), I bought a crate of 91/30s from Classic Firearms. The rifles are all in decent shape, no hexes, but 7 Tulas. the rest are Izzys. One of the Tulas has sniper markings, but it has a standard bolt. Has anyone else encountered this? BTW - had a great experience buying from CF.
Thanks - A Mosin Newbie....

morcey2
May 10, 2013, 12:18 PM
I have a Mosin question that is somewhat along the lines of this discussion thread. In a moment of weakness last week (wink, wink), I bought a crate of 91/30s from Classic Firearms. The rifles are all in decent shape, no hexes, but 7 Tulas. the rest are Izzys. One of the Tulas has sniper markings, but it has a standard bolt. Has anyone else encountered this? BTW - had a great experience buying from CF.
Thanks - A Mosin Newbie....
You bought a crate of 91/30s from CF in a "moment of weakness"? You're my new hero!

As for your question, there are quite a few ex-snipers out there that have the sniper markings/plugged-bolt-holes that have been converted back to standard M91/30s. The bolt is replaced with a standard bolt and it's renumbered to match the barrel. The Soviets produced more sniper rifles than the rest of the world put together in WWII*, so there are lots of ex-snipers out there.

Matt

*Maybe an exaggeration, but not by much.

bigdaa
May 10, 2013, 12:22 PM
Hero seems an understatement!

I bow my head.

Orion8472
May 10, 2013, 01:36 PM
How many are in a crate?

morcey2
May 10, 2013, 02:28 PM
How many are in a crate?
20, I believe. Plus, with the right kind of glass top, you get a cool looking coffee table. :) Of course, your house will smell like cosmoline for the rest of eternity. I'm still looking for a downside.

Matt

nebraska_farmer
May 11, 2013, 07:58 PM
http://i.imgur.com/VaMrnPF.jpg

A picture from today's shoot, more pictures and video to come in the next few days.

Tolkachi Robotnik
May 11, 2013, 08:03 PM
That is quite a photo! Is that a special blank with lots of powder or what load?

nebraska_farmer
May 11, 2013, 08:14 PM
Nothing special, just the cheap 440 round can (147 grain "steel core")!

Ignition Override
May 12, 2013, 10:29 PM
Well, you might not want to read this, but I was a terrible shot with my two Russian MN 44s at 50 yards from a benchrest.
This was with the bayonets extended Or retracted, mostly extended.

The ammo was primarily Bulgarian from the dusty, gray spam cans.
Rifling seemed pretty good in both guns, but being unable to get a group within 5" at 50 yards I sold both of them. Maybe ammo from Russia, Poland, Hungary etc would have worked better?

For what it's worth, I can get 4" groups at 100 yards with my Enfield #4s, #5s, Garand and sometimes the Yugo Mauser. All have original iron sights.
Your future MN 44 might be much better than mine.

Tolkachi Robotnik
May 12, 2013, 11:04 PM
I have heard others say Bulgarian surplus is not very tight for groups, and you should inspect each specimen to see if you want to chance it...

The Wolf or Bear might have been a better choice for whether you would keep them. It is not all that great but is fairly functional. I tire pretty fast of the steel case heavy stuff, especially shooting paper.

Riven_Cole
May 12, 2013, 11:05 PM
hey ignition: try taking the bayonet off. completely. that got my rifle to shoot VERY accurately with bulgarian. before i took it off i got 7 inch patterns at 25 yds. after i removed it: 3-5 inch groups at 75 and improving. maybe i am lucky who knows

Tolkachi Robotnik
May 12, 2013, 11:23 PM
You might find out it gets better over time, if you can get the canyons a little clearer in the bore.

Riven_Cole
May 12, 2013, 11:36 PM
oh, i already got the bore to shine like a mirror and patches come out almost white. i think any more improvement will need me to get better eyes :D
my vision when wearing glasses is currently about 20/30, which is about as good as i have ever gotten. i know it sucks. but without glasses it is off the scale. i cannot even see biggest letter on the chart. or the chart for that matter. lol
i think the only reason i get small groups at 100 or 75 yds is cause i got fairly decent at aiming by reference. not sure what the actual term is though, but i use reference points i can see to know where the target is. and i use a peep on my mosin. if you want i can show you where i got it. i am sure the guy who makes em wont mind a new customer.

Lj1941
May 13, 2013, 12:25 AM
I don't think I would have wanted to be a Soviet infantryman. Talk about giving your position away!
I wonder if the fireball could be minimized with modern powders.I know that fireball is one of the "features" of the carbines but to me it would be too much.I own a pair of 91/30's and I am not sure that I would enjoy the "show"!:banghead:

GunsBlazing
May 13, 2013, 12:29 AM
AWESOME pic Nebraska Farmer! That's quite a fireball!

Agsalaska
May 13, 2013, 12:47 AM
I have a carbine with a bayonet. I cant remember what the model is but I think it is from Tula. I know it is Russian. Anyway we used to take it everywhere in Alaska. We never actually shot anything with it which is very fortunate. The last thing you want to do in Alaska is have to shoot an angry bear or moose. We used the bayonet a few times to dig little holes. It also makes for a good tent stake. But it was great because it was $90 and we didnt care about it getting dirty or wet. If it craps out just get another one.

Actually shooting it is a bit of an experience. Its loud, kicks like a mule, and has an explosion at the muzzle. I did lose the bolt a while back though. I need to get another one.

Riven_Cole
May 13, 2013, 01:38 AM
get it headspaced when you get a new bolt. do not fire it until you do

bigdaa
May 13, 2013, 11:34 AM
http://i.imgur.com/VaMrnPF.jpg

A picture from today's shoot, more pictures and video to come in the next few days.
I am showing my eldest son this pic NOW!

I have 1500 rounds of the latest Russian offering in light ball to feed my future rifle.

Lj1941
May 13, 2013, 11:53 AM
It looks to me like the "FIREBALL" is by far the most important selling point.:evil:

bigdaa
May 13, 2013, 12:09 PM
It looks to me like the "FIREBALL" is by far the most important selling point.:evil:
Ya, whatever! :)

I just pulled the trigger on the "Rifle of the Day" at Classic Firearms:


http://www.classicfirearms.com/


M44 Laminate.

I asked the young lady just last week if she had any of the laminates; NO was the answer.

Well, today I see these five available. Now there is four available.
After giving her my debit card, she said it was "REJECTED!!!!!!"

the horror......the horror..... (I deposited 1600 bucks on Saturday..........guess they don't post until sometime today)

She then told me that she couldn't hold it! :(

"Honey, do ya have a credit card I can use?" I asked of my wife.
Lucky I fixed her and her mom a Lobster and Fillet Mignon dinner last night, eh?

Deal is done, rifle is traveling to my FFL here in Goleta California on this bright 88 Monday morning.


nebraska_farmer, my 15 year old is impressed with the fireball.

I am however impressed that I was able somehow to pull a laminate M44 out of thin air.

Dave



PS This will complement my Russian Parade Laminate SKS well.

hang fire
May 13, 2013, 12:18 PM
I don't think I would have wanted to be a Soviet infantryman. Talk about giving your position away!
I wonder if the fireball could be minimized with modern powders.I know that fireball is one of the "features" of the carbines but to me it would be too much.I own a pair of 91/30's and I am not sure that I would enjoy the "show"!:banghead:


You miss the Soviet intent. It was to have a combo flame thrower and concussion grenade, the rifle shooting bullets was just an afterthought. (;>)

19-3Ben
May 13, 2013, 12:43 PM
Sorry for coming late to the party. I have one and I shoot it with just the standard steel butt.
I don't find the recoil to be that bad for me. It DOES make a nice big BOOOOOM and gets a lot of attention at the range.

Chris-bob
May 13, 2013, 08:52 PM
Love mine. Bought it about 9 years ago for $60. Shoots great, accurate and lots of noise and light! Wish I'd bought a crate of them back then.

bigdaa
May 13, 2013, 11:30 PM
Man, at 60 bucks, don't ya wish!

I had the chance to buy Russian SKS's as many as I wanted for 89 bucks. Spent all my money on ammo that trip :(

Coondawg_07
May 14, 2013, 07:23 AM
I just recently paid $140 for my first M44. Haven't had the chance to shoot it as of yet, but I've shot a 91/30 and really enjoyed it. Mine seems to not reliably eject when cycling rounds though.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
May 14, 2013, 09:54 AM
I love mine. 1944 Izhevsk (Russian). I run mine 99% factory condition minus stock refurbishing and some trigger work (super easy to do the way I did it).

Being 5'11" and 235-240 pounds, I can shoot that rifle with steel butt-plate all day. The recoil doesn't bother me.


~On The Road Again...~

bigdaa
May 14, 2013, 09:57 AM
I love mine. 1944 Izhevsk (Russian). I run mine 99% factory condition minus stock refurbishing and some trigger work (super easy to do the way I did it).

Being 5'11" and 235-240 pounds, I can shoot that rifle with steel butt-plate all day. The recoil doesn't bother me.


~On The Road Again...~
I'll tell ya, I don't think I will do a darn thing to the one I got coming.
A thorough strip 'n clean/inspect and then, it's off to the range.

I'm 6'1" and 225 LJ, so like you I think I will be blasting all day long if I can get it out of the kid's hands. My eldest is 6'2" and 195 and 15 years old. The little guy is the fire plug.

Can't wait..........but I live in Cali and I HAVE TO WAIT!

hang fire
May 14, 2013, 11:49 AM
bigdaa: Man, at 60 bucks, don't ya wish!

I had the chance to buy Russian SKS's as many as I wanted for 89 bucks. Spent all my money on ammo that trip


In 1988 attended the SOF convention in Las Vegas. Bought two SKS rifles for that $89.00 price and two 1200 round wooden crates of 7.62x39 for $90.00 each.

Still have one of the rifles and an unopened crate.

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