How Much Would You Pay for Home Delivery of Brand New Guns?


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CmdrSlander
May 3, 2013, 12:18 AM
FFL dealers are allowed to conduct transfers outside of their place of business.

Envision a dealer that receives guns from out of state sellers/the internet as per usual, then drives around in a van taking them to the buyer's doorsteps and conducting the transfer, including NICS check and 4473, right there at the buyer's home. The buyer never leaves their house. Its almost as if the 1968 GCA was never passed.

How much would you pay for this type of transfer, bearing in mind that most FFLs charge $25 - 40 for in store transfers.

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Texan Scott
May 3, 2013, 12:35 AM
I'm honestly not sure why I would do this. The minor inconvenience of driving into town to get to the gunstore is the LEAST troublesome aspect of buying from an FFL, to my mind... plus, I like looking around while I'm there.

allaroundhunter
May 3, 2013, 12:35 AM
Right now I pay $5 per transfer and it really is not much of an inconvenience at all for me. I wouldn't pay more than $30 for home delivery, and even at that price I would probably say no. 6 times what a transfer would otherwise cost me is still too much.

Twiki357
May 3, 2013, 12:45 AM
Not an additional cent. I have passed on a few good buys online because the S&H plus the FFL transfer fees made it a not very good buy. In my area, the going rate for FFL transfers is $45 or $50.

OARNGESI
May 3, 2013, 12:50 AM
Personally i like window shopping why my ffl does his Job

dogtown tom
May 3, 2013, 12:55 AM
CmdrSlander FFL dealers are allowed to conduct transfers outside of their place of business.
Licensees are only allowed to conduct business at their licensed premises or a special event such as a gun show.

Envision a dealer that receives guns from out of state sellers/the internet as per usual, then drives around in a van taking them to the buyer's doorsteps and conducting the transfer, including NICS check and 4473, right there at the buyer's home. The buyer never leaves their house. Its almost as if the 1968 GCA was never passed.
Envision said dealer losing his FFL because federal law specifically says where the dealer can do business..........and conducting business from a vehicle is expressly forbidden.


§ 478.50 Locations covered by license.
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The license covers the class of business or the activity specified in the license at the address specified therein. A separate license must be obtained for each location at which a firearms or ammunition business or activity requiring a license under this part is conducted except:

(a) No license is required to cover a separate warehouse used by the licensee solely for storage of firearms or ammunition if the records required by this part are maintained at the licensed premises served by such warehouse;

(b) A licensed collector may acquire curios and relics at any location, and dispose of curios or relics to any licensee or to other persons who are residents of the State where the collector's license is held and the disposition is made;

(c) A licensee may conduct business at a gun show pursuant to the provision of §478.100; or

(d) A licensed importer, manufacturer, or dealer may engage in the business of dealing in curio or relic firearms with another licensee at any location pursuant to the provisions of §478.100.

[T.D. ATF–191, 49 FR 46890, Nov. 29, 1984, as amended by T.D. ATF–401, 63 FR 35523, June 30, 1998]


§ 478.100 Conduct of business away from licensed premises.
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(a)(1) A licensee may conduct business temporarily at a gun show or event as defined in paragraph (b) if the gun show or event is located in the same State specified on the license: Provided, That such business shall not be conducted from any motorized or towed vehicle. The premises of the gun show or event at which the licensee conducts business shall be considered part of the licensed premises. Accordingly, no separate fee or license is required for the gun show or event locations. However, licensees shall comply with the provisions of §478.91 relating to posting of licenses (or a copy thereof) while conducting business at the gun show or event.

(2) A licensed importer, manufacturer, or dealer may engage in the business of dealing in curio or relic firearms with another licensee at any location.

(b) A gun show or an event is a function sponsored by any national, State, or local organization, devoted to the collection, competitive use, or other sporting use of firearms, or an organization or association that sponsors functions devoted to the collection, competitive use, or other sporting use of firearms in the community.

(c) Licensees conducting business at locations other than the premises specified on their license under the provisions of paragraph (a) of this section shall maintain firearms records in the form and manner prescribed by subpart H of this part. In addition, records of firearms transactions conducted at such locations shall include the location of the sale or other disposition, be entered in the acquisition and disposition records of the licensee, and retained on the premises specified on the license.

[T.D. ATF–270, 53 FR 10498, Mar. 31, 1988, as amended by T.D. ATF–401, 63 FR 35523, June 30, 1998]

TheSaint
May 3, 2013, 04:39 AM
Out here in CA, most of my local FFL's charge around $80. Even that costs way too much. They would have to be equal or less than that price. The DROS fees here in CA are very high to begin with, and that's not counting the dealer's cut. I don't mind driving to the gun store.

shafter
May 3, 2013, 06:42 AM
Transfers are $25 in my area and I'm not sure that I care about having them deliver to my door. I just don't see the attraction in that. It's not like having to make a trip to Walmart, going to gunshops is fun!

shafter
May 3, 2013, 06:47 AM
As an additional thought wouldn't the liability for this be huge? Imagine someone watching for the van leaving the gunshop and the hijacking it on the way for the firearms. Probably not too likely in the middle of the day but still a concern I would thing. Or someone following it around and noting where it delivers for future burglaries.

TheSaint
May 3, 2013, 06:53 AM
I would also think that gun store owners wouldn't be crazy about this idea, as if they get the customer in the store they have additional opportunities to up-sell the customer ammo and other gear.

tarosean
May 3, 2013, 07:05 AM
The best part of picking up my gunbroker purchases is fondling new stock while at my LGS.

beatledog7
May 3, 2013, 07:14 AM
The only benefit for me would be IF I could file the paperwork and then have the firearm show up at my house once I'm approved.

I have a fairly common name that I unfortunately share with at least person nearby who is in a prohibited category. I always get delayed, and that means a second trip to the FFL's location.

Robbins290
May 3, 2013, 07:20 AM
I could see how that would help. Considering my closest ffl is about a hour. But I would rather skip the fee and drive there. I can take the wife out to dinner/lunch. Buy her some jewelry. Then go pick up guns after

Hanzo581
May 3, 2013, 07:27 AM
I am close to and love going to gun shops. So I wouldn't pay for or use this service. But if I didn't like shopping or lived more than an hour away from a gun shop I say I'd pay $50 for the service (on top of transfer fee).

ball3006
May 3, 2013, 10:30 AM
I paid 2500 bucks, plus postage, to have my M1D delivered to my house. However, it came from the CMP.....chris3

Oops, my bad. The rifle cost 1500 bucks. It had not been issued since conversion to a D model. It is built on a 3-43 Springfield receiver.....chris3

smalls
May 3, 2013, 10:33 AM
Both my LGS's have a range, so it'd be counterproductive for them to drop a gun off at my house, cause I'd have to drive back there to shoot it anyway!

dogtown tom
May 3, 2013, 10:36 AM
shafter As an additional thought wouldn't the liability for this be huge? Imagine someone watching for the van leaving the gunshop and the hijacking it on the way for the firearms. Probably not too likely in the middle of the day but still a concern I would thing. Or someone following it around and noting where it delivers for future burglaries.
Not to mention that its illegal for a dealer to do "home delivery":rolleyes:

TheSaint I would also think that gun store owners wouldn't be crazy about this idea,
Neither would the ATF:rolleyes:

OP's premise is flawed.
Home delivery by a licensed dealer is ILLEGAL!!!

Robert
May 3, 2013, 10:48 AM
See posts 6 & 17.

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