Jammed up 3 dies with Hornady one shot spray


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Float Pilot
May 3, 2013, 02:34 AM
I usually roll my brass on a pad....

But I let myself get into a hurry due to an upcoming match... So I sprayed the heck out of 50 pieces of 30-06 brass and started to resize...

About 5 cases in,,,, I had one stick and rip off the case rim....

So I went to another set of dies and even sprayed the inside of the die.... Two cases later another one stuck and ripped off the rim....

So sizing die number three came out and after a few more it too was stuck....

My can of Hornady one-shot spray sucks....

Thinking I was going to save some time just cost me a bunch more time....

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bugs1961
May 3, 2013, 02:44 AM
Do you give the cases a few minutes for the lube to dry?
Do you shake the can hard for at least two minutes before use?
I've loaded a couple thousand cases with it and never had a problem. Everything from .223 to 300RUM, including 30-06.

ColtPythonElite
May 3, 2013, 03:45 AM
Odd....I have sized at least two cans worth of brass with One Shot and never had an issue.

StretchNM
May 3, 2013, 05:33 AM
Though I've never used it, I've heard nothing but good about Hornady's lube. Maybe shake it and let it dry a few minutes, as has been said. Also, go to a collet neck sizer die whenever possible! (((:D)))

Last year or so, I ordered a tin of Imperial Sizing Die Wax. Now, a little tiny tin like that couldn;t last long, could it? After a couple of hundred rounds of rifle brass, you could hardly tell I used any! That stuff is the original "greased lightning".

But!...I went back to my old favorite, Lee's Sizing lube. Why? Much easier to clean off the cases and works just as well. I've heard guys say one swipe with a towel cleans off the Imperial wax, but that wasn't quite my experience.

tightgroup tiger
May 3, 2013, 06:17 AM
I just resized about 30) 30-06 cases with one shot and didn't have any problems.

I literally "hose it down" and let it dry for about 10 minutes. They resized very easily. I stuck one when I the first time I used it but discovered I wasn't putting enough on and wasn't letting it dry long enough.

I stand them up in the loading block and literally hose them down hard with it, direct blast, spray it in the mouths also, no dented shoulders and they resize easily.

With pistol brass and carbide dies it doesn't take a lot but 06 shells and the like take a lot more then "One Shot" to do the job.

45lcshooter
May 3, 2013, 06:24 AM
Never had an issue with Hornady spray lube. Lay brass on cookie sheet, spray over the brass for a few seconds, shake cookie sheet to spread lube. But.....if your lube more than about 20 or 30 pieces of rifle at a time, the last few pieces are going to be hard to resize because the lube has dried.

Spray on lube isn't fool proof either, its just like sun block, reapply, reapply, reapply very very often.

beatledog7
May 3, 2013, 07:00 AM
There's a common theme with One-Shot trouble: trying to shortcut the directions. Shake-shake-shake, spray evenly and thoroughly, let dry one minute.

I've used One-Shot many times, especially these days for 357 Sig, and have never stuck a case. I do find that it leaves a mildly sticky feel and hazy look to the cases (as the product description says it will), but this is easily tumbled away after just a few minutes in corn cob.

I prefer to use a pad and Lyman lube for rifle brass, though I have used One-Shot for .223 without issues.

hostjunkies
May 3, 2013, 07:43 AM
Did you use One-Shat Spray Lube or One-Shot cleaner. There are at least 2 different 0ne-shot products.

cfullgraf
May 3, 2013, 07:46 AM
I do not like the performance of Hornady One shot in the spray can when used on bottle neck cases. It works fine for me on 30 Carbine and bottle neck handgun cases (357 SIG and 38/45 Clerke).

I have never stuck a case with it but I could see the train wreck on the horizon even after excess spraying the cases and letting them dry for a long time.

I recently have been experimenting with lanolin and alcohol and shaking cases in a plastic bag and it has been working for me. But, I have only tried it with 204 Ruger and 300 BLK at the moment.

In my opinion, the spray can Hornady One Shot is not a very efficient or a cost effective lubricant.

PsychoKnight
May 3, 2013, 07:48 AM
Yep, that's the only explanation.

Almost did that myself, but it didn't feel right going into the sizer die. Take a look at the spray, and what do you know?

No biggie, just went over all the brass again with the right spray and everything was honkie dory.

Now, when something goes wrong, and you just keep doing the same thing with another set of dies - you should figure its not the dies. At least, you didn't kill five or six 30-06 dies, just 3

emb
May 3, 2013, 08:02 AM
The cans look the same. I stopped by Bass Pro and bought what I thought was 2 cans of lube. When I got home I realized that I had one of each. Someone apparently dropped off the can of cleaner in the reloading department. Oh well, we'll see how the cleaner works.

kelbro
May 3, 2013, 08:10 AM
Never thought about spraying the dies with it. Where did you read or hear to do that?

Arkansas Paul
May 3, 2013, 08:15 AM
Imperial wax is your friend.

Certaindeaf
May 3, 2013, 08:20 AM
Reading the directions is your friend.

icanthitabarn
May 3, 2013, 08:33 AM
Plain rubbing alcohol and some drops of lube on a pad are my friends. I size them soaking wet and they go easily and I see no dents at all. I have never gotten close to sticking any .223. Maybe my Lee die is lucky because a lot more experienced, than myself, do otherwise. The Oneshot does seem to give people problems

jmorris
May 3, 2013, 09:13 AM
I use spray lube with great results, just not one shot. If any of you folks that like it want some, I won a can of it at the TX State multigun with my prize package a few weeks ago and I'll give it to you. Just cover shipping.

Kingcreek
May 3, 2013, 09:19 AM
After sticking a couple cases, I only use One Shot on straight wall pistol cases where any lube is optional anyway.

EMC45
May 3, 2013, 10:25 AM
......................imperial............................

Certaindeaf
May 3, 2013, 10:32 AM
It looks like it's time to buy some more dies.

stavman11
May 3, 2013, 10:38 AM
I have never had any issues with Hornady on my .223.. in my Lee pro 1000...toss 40ish in box, spray, shake box, spray again, let sit in box for a minute, place in case tubes... start sizing away...

I also use some Synthetic motor oil on 1st case when i starter sizing... just some added insurance for me... works great.. I always tumble again to get lube off so no worries about goopy cases to load..

Mike 27
May 3, 2013, 10:39 AM
I have been using the stuff for years and never stuck a case. The cases have to dry or you will stick one.

Mike

moxie
May 3, 2013, 10:56 AM
Nary a problem with thousands of cases of .223. I love it. Smells good. Wipes off easily. Overall much easier and cleaner to use.

bigdaa
May 3, 2013, 10:57 AM
I shake the can <deleted>
Then, during the process I will re-shake that sucker like a monkey with a fine banana showing off to the other chimps.

I do not get things stuck, use the RCBS dies and I load 30-06.

SHAKING WELL is a good friend of mine.

howlnmad
May 3, 2013, 10:59 AM
Ditch the spray lube. Go with Imperial and never look back ;).

ranger335v
May 3, 2013, 11:04 AM
"Reading (and following) the directions is your friend."

I don't care for spray lubes but not because it doesn't work fine when used correctly. Nothing works very well otherwise.

stavman11
May 3, 2013, 11:06 AM
I like imperial... But I will do 200-300 cases in a sitting and the Imperial is just too slow for me

I do use the imperial when i load .357... since i dont fly thru them like i do .223:D

ngnrd
May 3, 2013, 01:45 PM
I load a quart sized plastic zipper bag about half full of brass, shake and then spray One-Shot liberally into the bag, seal the bag, and massage the brass in the bag for 20-30 seconds. After I'm sure all the brass has been lubed, I open the bag and let the vapors vent for a bit (which I don't recommend doing at the reloading bench). Then, I pour the brass into a container and keep the bag until next time.

I've processed hundreds of rounds of several kinds of bottleneck rifle brass this way with no issues (222, 223, 270, 30-06, and 300WM). Maybe one day I'll be unlucky enough to stick a case, but it hasn't happened yet.

Lennyjoe
May 3, 2013, 01:53 PM
Have only stuck 1 case in about 25,000 reloads using Hornady One Shot.

As for 30-06, I resize the whole case when I use range pick ups or purchased online. Once they are shot in my rifle, I neck size only.

Sorry to hear about your stuck cases...

GLOOB
May 3, 2013, 01:56 PM
I use Frankford Arsenal pump spray lube with the baggie method. I never shake the bottle. I only use 1 pump for a bagful of cases. I don't wait for the cases to dry. I have never stuck a case.

I just did 80 308 cases. Hadn't used this sizing die since November. I thought about spritzing the die for good measure, but just stuck with my usual routine. Unroll my lube bag: a 9x12 plastic bag that I keep rolled around the bottle. Open and spray one pump into the bag; this loosens up the dry lube that's already in there. Dump in cases and roll them around for 20 seconds. Drop them into a bin and start sizing, immediately. Perfect.

Now in the early days, I came close to sticking a case. The cases were still really wet, and I could feel the first case start to stick, so I stopped. But now that my "lube bag" is nice and coated, the cases come out drier, and they are ready to go, immediately.

I have never used One Shot, so if it works then fine. But maybe the Frankford Arsenal stuff is better? I'm not sure how these threads always devolve into Hornady One Shot, specifically, vs Imperial Sizing Wax, in particular. But somehow, they do. Imperial Sizing Wax might be the best hand-applied lube in existence, but it certainly doesn't seem like Hornady One Shot is the best spray lube ever made. There are other options out there, folks.

Float Pilot
May 3, 2013, 02:54 PM
I shook the heck out of the can..... Sprayed the hell out of the brass and let it sit while I ran over to the house to use the bathroom for a few minutes.
I bought the can a couple years ago and it has been sitting out in the shop until now...

One thing about spray cans, paints and even food products here in Alaska...
They are often old and outdated (that is why they send it here ) and the cans are often frozen solid for a couple weeks while the products are on the barge coming up from Washington state or while sitting in the back of a semi-van somewhere along the Alcan hwy while it is 40 below zero.

That might be my problem.... I just sprayed some on a piece of cardboard and noted that it seemed to be separated into some sort of thin carrier fluid and a bunch of clotted looking stuff that smells like shoe polish wax.

The cases that I did get resized all feel like they have a lightly lubed surface, but not much... About 10%-20% of how slippery the cases feel after using regular RCBS roll pad lube. And it is certainly not an even coating...

tightgroup tiger
May 3, 2013, 04:05 PM
I just sprayed some on a piece of cardboard and noted that it seemed to be separated into some sort of thin carrier fluid and a bunch of clotted looking stuff that smells like shoe polish wax.

I think yours is ruined. I use One Shot all the time and haven't seen what you just described. It always smells like shoe polish but doesn't come out of the can separated.

It comes out of the can as a clear liquid and pretty much disappears when it's dry, but you can feel it on the brass.

I use One Shot on all my rifle shells including 30-06 and I literally hose them down good and let them sit for 10 minutes and they resize very easily.

That very well could be the problem.

KansasSasquatch
May 3, 2013, 05:04 PM
As you can tell many people swear that One Shot is great stuff. But when it's used properly it is much less efficient time and material wise than other good spray lubes. I wax lube anytime I'm running a small batch of big rifle brass and use RCBS spray lube on big batches of .223. Either method is much more efficient than Twenty-One Shot. I like most Hornady products but they failed with the aerosol version.

mljdeckard
May 3, 2013, 05:23 PM
I'm scratching my head a little here.

I got the spray lube because using a lube pad and brush for the necks is like combining two forms of torture. I sprayed it in a bag and it works fine.

But at the same time, I don't ever want to have to deal with a stuck case. Everyone raves about the Imperial wax, and although it seems like a step back to me, I think I will try some. It's cheap, it goes a long way, and everyone who reviews it raves about how non-messy it is. It might be a bit slow, but I do rifle cases slowly anyway, I'm not in a hurry. I think I will just make sure enough gets in the case necks to keep the expander ball happy.

gamestalker
May 3, 2013, 05:37 PM
One Shot works just fine as long as you follow the instructions to a T. Shake well, and let dry completely before running them through the die. It isn't necessary to spray the die, and it might even cause you some other problems as well, lube dents would be one problem I would expect.
I used One Shot without any problems at all, but I switched to Dillon spray because it lasts so much longer than the H brand.
GS

kayaks
May 3, 2013, 05:47 PM
I have had better luck with the Hornady One Shot than the lube pad. Especially with 30-30 cases, they seem pretty sensitive to excessive lube and will dent. I load lots of .223 and would hate to think about applying wax by hand to each one.

Haven't had the problems Float Pilot mentions, maybe they send the old stuff to the Kenai...

USSR
May 3, 2013, 07:47 PM
...I only use One Shot on straight wall pistol cases where any lube is optional anyway.

+1. Not a serious lube for bottleneck cartridges.

Don

shaggy430
May 3, 2013, 08:01 PM
I guarantee this is what happened:

You shook the can and it sounded like lube was in the can. You sprayed all the brass. Problem is, the liquid you heard in the can was propellant, not lube. Happened to me twice. Now I discard a can once it feels like it is getting low.

mtrmn
May 3, 2013, 09:52 PM
For those of you who like Imperial, (me too) if you need a good lube similar and cheaper go to Walmart shoe section and get a can of mink oil. Works the same. Also Bag Balm for cow udders is almost pure lanolin and works really well. There's another brand called Udder Butter or something like that, but I've not tried it.
I recently bought some liquid lanolin on ebay and bought some IsoHEET fuel treatment and mixed up the best lube I've tried so far. 1 - 12oz bottle IsoHEET and 1 - 4oz bottle liquid lanolin in a spray bottle. The IsoHEET is really a type of alcohol and evaporates quickly, leaving the lanolin behind.

Certaindeaf
May 3, 2013, 10:07 PM
For those of you who like Imperial, (me too) if you need a good lube similar and cheaper go to Walmart shoe section and get a can of mink oil. Works the same. Also Bag Balm for cow udders is almost pure lanolin and works really well. There's another brand called Udder Butter or something like that, but I've not tried it.
I recently bought some liquid lanolin on ebay and bought some IsoHEET fuel treatment and mixed up the best lube I've tried so far. 1 - 12oz bottle IsoHEET and 1 - 4oz bottle liquid lanolin in a spray bottle. The IsoHEET is really a type of alcohol and evaporates quickly, leaving the lanolin behind.
Is that the HEET in the red bottle or the yellow?

mtrmn
May 3, 2013, 10:41 PM
Red bottle is what I used, didn't know there was a yellow bottle.....

Mine came in a package of four 12oz bottles at Wallyworld in automotive section.

balderclev
May 3, 2013, 10:47 PM
Spray 1-shot on a pad and roll each case and immediately resize it. Never had a problem with 223 or 308 so far.

hostjunkies
May 3, 2013, 10:48 PM
I use Dillon Spray lube now for rifle brass. A little sticky but works great.

FROGO207
May 4, 2013, 08:19 AM
I agree a lot of these threads digress to bashing a certain product.:banghead: I have used OS with great results for a long time in the past. I now use the isopropyl alcohol and liquid lanolin mix (8 to 1) in a hand sprayer into the gallon sized Zip-Loc freezer bag and never looked back. I use the red Iso-Heat but any isopropyl based gas line antifreeze product will work the same. 100K plus and never a stuck casing with this method yet. Until I tried to use straight Dawn to resize to see if I could do it cheaper that is.:barf: Now I do however use Imperial to size when case forming just because it may work better due to the higher pressures needed to change the shapes more. YMMV

ranger335v
May 4, 2013, 02:41 PM
All commercial case lubes work quite well when used correctly, ditto a lot of substitutes. In fact, nothing is specifically made as a case lube, the sellers simply buy stuff that works and then packages it for resell to us. The base for all of them is STP or lanoline or wax or soap. Aerosol lubes have a liquid lube and a carrier/solvent to thin it, usually alcohol, and a propellent gas; trigger spray bottles are the same stuff without the propellent.

Hondo 60
May 4, 2013, 07:58 PM
When I first joined this forum, about every other day there was a new thread about how terrible One-Shot is.

I've jammed a few cases over the years.
But NONE since I went to a lanolin/alcohol mix.

jaysouth
May 4, 2013, 10:10 PM
One shot and my homemade mix of 99% isopropyl and lanolin do great on straight wall cases. However I have had to hammer ruined cases rifle cases out of sizing dies using the spray.

For bottleneck cases go with STP oil treatment or 2 cycle oil. Apply with fingers and clean up with alcohol when sized. The cost warms the cockles of my cheap heart! A 3 oz bottle of 2 cycle oil with lube thousands of surplus 7.62 fired in a machine gun for perfect sizing in my Redding small base sizing die.

I guess you could lube rifle cases on a pad saturated with STP or 2 cycle oil. I pour a little dime size puddle on the bench and wipe my forefinger in it for two cases. That is every other case.

saitek
May 4, 2013, 11:09 PM
i used to use hornady spray lube but it was a pain in the but ! sloppy get.s every ware you dont want it .i stuck several 30-06 case's i know the imperial is slower but i am not losing aint time removing stuck case's and this stuff just plain work's ,it work's great for my oole man when he reform's brass for his k-31.

cwbys4evr
May 4, 2013, 11:40 PM
Imperial wax is your friend.

It has definitely been my friend thanks to recommendations o saw on here :)

Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk 2

918v
May 4, 2013, 11:50 PM
My friend first!

thump_rrr
May 5, 2013, 05:18 AM
I live in Canada and have the same problem.
When I called Hornady they told me the same thing.
If the can freezes it is ruined.
They sent me a tub of Unique case lube.
It works every bit as well as Imperial Sizing Wax.

I now use Dillon spray lube which is made with lanolin and isopropyl alcohol when reloading on my progressive press with case feeder.

markshere2
May 5, 2013, 06:31 AM
My RCBS roll pad and RCBS lube lasts and lasts and lasts.

I've loaded at least 43 gazmillion pistol and rifle rounds in the last 25 years, and I have never stuck a case in a die.

I'm on my 2nd little bottle of slimy lube.

I have over lubed and dimpled some case shoulders, but I learned not to use that much lube.

rskent
May 5, 2013, 07:58 AM
I really like one shot for 223. I put the cases in a loading block reserved just for lubing cases. Spray both sides and down into the case mouths. I size them as
soon as I spray them. Since I started using One Shot down into the necks my sizing lengths have tightened up a lot. When I used Imperial I was getting
inconsistent lengths. It seams the expander was pulling back on the case.
Any way it works great for me.

ArchAngelCD
May 5, 2013, 08:42 AM
I use nothing but Imperial sizing was for rifle cases. It is very clean and it's not messy at all. There is no need to tumble again to remove the lube and if you want to remove the lube a quick wipe with a cloth is all you need.

I also use Hornady One Shot but only for handgun cases. Small semi-auto cases like the 9mm and 45 Auto benefit from a quick spray even when using Carbide sizing dies. No need to wipe the cases down after sizing is a plus.

alsaqr
May 5, 2013, 08:53 AM
Been using using Hornady One Shot spray lube since it first came out. One Shot should be shook well before using. i load 5,000-10,000 rounds of rifle ammunition annually and almost never have a case stick in the die.

Taurus 617 CCW
May 5, 2013, 09:27 AM
I had that happen twice in a one year span so I heeded the advice of a local reloader. He suggested Imperial size wax and I have never looked back.

Matt Dillon
May 5, 2013, 10:05 AM
Imperial is the way to go!

Chief 101
May 5, 2013, 10:08 AM
I like wax, I think I have one from Hornady now. I use One Shot on occasion but with a stuck 22-250 well lubed with one shot and stuck 223 well lubed just dont have much faith in it now...

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