If you could go back in time...


March 16, 2004, 09:39 PM
... and purchase any weapon offered at the time, or grab a discarded battlefield weapon, what would be your choice? 'Course, then you'd change history, etc, etc. :D

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March 16, 2004, 09:44 PM
I'd have to drop in on Japan in the late 1500's and try to scare up a Samurai sword made by one of the masters. Those things are the best swords ever made.

March 16, 2004, 09:46 PM
I'd wander about Afghanistan in the 80's and snag myself an AKSU. I know, its a simple unspecial rifle...which is why I'd grab an armload've SVDS on my way out!

March 16, 2004, 09:47 PM
Leaving aside legal issues .... I'd have brought home at end of WWII .... a nice MG-42!:evil: :p

March 16, 2004, 09:48 PM
Either a SA Colt from the 1880's or a 1921 Thompson from then.

March 16, 2004, 09:49 PM
Henry rifles

March 16, 2004, 09:50 PM
I would go back to the year 1776 and tell the guys that we need the words "This amendment ensures that any law abiding, private citizen shall be able to own, use and maintain any firearm without restriction, licensure or threat of any kind" added to the second ammendment.

March 16, 2004, 09:51 PM
I second the Henry rifle:D

March 16, 2004, 10:07 PM
I would go back to the time when the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers, take a job at the publisher of both papers and make sure that the 2nd Amendment text became "The spirit of resistance to government, so valuable on certain occasions, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed".

The first two clauses are taken from a TJ quote.

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all." --Thomas Jefferson to Abigail Adams, 1787.

It would be a hoot to see the liberal blissninnies try to finagle their way out of that.

March 16, 2004, 10:10 PM
Some Colt Walker pistols.

4v50 Gary
March 16, 2004, 10:14 PM
Jesus lance. Don't I get to run the world if I own it? For a fee I'll let Steven Spielburg copy it for another Indiana Jones flick.

Jim K
March 16, 2004, 10:59 PM
I am white, but I would kill all the slave traders.


Ala Dan
March 17, 2004, 01:13 AM
From the days of Al Capone:

1928 Thompson Sub Gun

And just a few years later:

A Smith & Wesson .357 "Registered Magnum"

And just a few short years ago:

Several Smith & Wesson model 39-2 9m/m's

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

March 17, 2004, 02:05 AM
I'd like to rescue Davy Crockett's rifle from the Alamo.

Cyberdyne systems
March 17, 2004, 02:09 AM
brand new Chinese & Soviet AK-47's found in a Viet Cong weapons cache still in the cosmoline...

Al Capones tommy gun...

March 17, 2004, 02:50 AM
Cyberdine Systems, you don't have to shout, we can hear you!;) And welcome, BTW!:)
Arron Burr's duelling pistol might be a valuable piece of US history. Or Col. Berdan's Sharps.
My first choice would have to be TR's Winchester 1895 in .405 Win. A fine gun owned by one of the best men ever to hold the office. Bully!:D

March 17, 2004, 03:19 AM
It'd ask Roland for Durandal. In exchange I'll show him how to make a flamethrower. Should really heat things up in the Dark Ages.

March 17, 2004, 04:00 AM
I have to agree with Warewolf.

If we're limited to firearms, though, and cost was no factor, I'd go for a Kimber Stainless Gold Match II or maybe one of the new Para single stack, single action 1911s with the spring-loaded extractor. I've always been quite partial to the 1911, what can I say? it would be nice to have a nice M1-A1 or even a sturdy AK-47. Maybe an AR-10 or Armalite AR-30. But if I could only pick one, I'd go with one of the 1911's mentioned above.

Jim March
March 17, 2004, 05:17 AM
Go to 1865. Score a Henry, blow away John Wilkes Booth. Many here don't like Lincoln, but there's a reason: he was planning a much less harsh Reconstruction and his second-term USSC picks would have ROCKED compared to the lunatics we ended up with.

Hang out until 1871, blow away any US Supreme Court justices who were whack-jobs. Save the Privileges and Immunities Clause of the 14A, and prevent the FIRST attempt at a civil rights revolution from being stillborn starting in 1872 (Slaughter-House cases).

Spend the time between screwin' with the KKK as best I can, ditto supporting John Bingham and company.

Plant some warnings about the WCTU and the trend to illegally suppress unions from 1890ish - 1940ish.

Do it right, and there wouldn't be anywhere NEAR the gun control in the US that we have now.

March 17, 2004, 06:10 AM
.....I'd go back to the Army proving grounds and liberate all the .45acp Lugers that were submitted for testing....:)

March 17, 2004, 06:12 AM
Billy Dixon's Sharpes. And get him to autograph it.

March 17, 2004, 06:29 AM
I'd get the Spencer carbine, it got the job done and it could take heavy abuse.

March 17, 2004, 06:46 AM
If I could go back in time, I wouldn't bring back a gun... I'd leave a few. In the hands of passengers of 4 planes on 9/11/2001. It would have saved all those lives, and it would have been guns in the hands of ordinary citizens that did it.

Although, maybe it would be more satisfying to me to go down the list of 19 Middle-Eastern men myself, just to make sure it was done correctly.

March 17, 2004, 06:57 AM
WWII - I'd like a BAR and a Thompson submachine gun.

March 17, 2004, 10:15 AM
Winchester M1895 Russian Model in 7.62X54R in the Russian Civil War

March 17, 2004, 10:21 AM
Hmmmmm... just one. I 'spect it'd be the Solothurn 20mm A/T rifle. Thanks for the idea, John Ross.

March 17, 2004, 10:27 AM
Eastern front, 1945. SVT 40, MG42, STG44, P38, MP40, PPSh....etc.

March 17, 2004, 11:09 AM
Japanese and Spanish swords would ramk high on my list.

Firearms wise, I'd likely opt for a brace of Peace Makers, tastefully engraved per my request, of course.

Chuck Jennings
March 17, 2004, 01:03 PM
I would pick up one each of brand spanking new USGI issue weapons during 1944!!

Eskimo Jim
March 17, 2004, 01:44 PM
I'd go for a S&W No1, a couple Colt Walkers, the first Henry rifle, a spenser, and a Sharps. I'd also try to get a couple of the Confederate copies of Colt's revolvers. I believe that very few of them were made, hence rare and very valuable. Davy Crocket's muzzle loader if possible.

In the 1910s-30s era, a Thompson 1927 (I forget the exact model), Colt 1911, S&W registered Magnum, and a first run Browning BAR. A couple of Holland and Holland double rifles, fancy engraved shotguns etc.

1940s-50s a Grease gun, Sten, Sturmgewher (sp?) and a MG42, S&W 44 Magnum, anything belt fed.

I'd also try to get stock in S&W, Colt, Winchester, Remington, Browning, Ruger, etc. Just give me $500 worth of gold to bring back to the 1800s or early 1900s. :evil: :evil:

I doubt that I'd change the political situation at the time regardless of how appalling it is to us in modern times. The consequences of altering history might seem an improvement however, if such evil actions as slavery, assinations of a President etc, you don't know if a greater evil would have filled its place. Right or wrong, I believe that both the accomplishments and the sins of this country have made this country a great place and a beacon of hope and freedom to millions of people.

Trying to influence the Amendments to the US Constitution would be rather delicate in my opinion. The Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers were written to convince the common person to adopt the Constitution or not. Stronger language for any part of the Constitution could result in none of it being adopted.


March 17, 2004, 01:58 PM
The Weapon:
Nice Big Rock

The Place:
Garden of Eden

The Time:
Just before lunchtime on the last really good day.

The Recipient:
Anyone speaking with a forked tongue.

Of course if I'm not limited to period pieces, I'd ask to borrow one of Dave McCracken's social 870's and make sure to get the job done right.

silent one
March 17, 2004, 02:05 PM
Hmmmm, I think my weapon of choice would be the 1942 issue Singer 1911 A-1, of which there were only 500 issued. I can just imagine what a new in box Singer would be worth today. I have heard that one in average condition will bring $35,000+ today.
good luck, and be safe.


March 17, 2004, 04:52 PM
Speaking selfishly I'd go for a nice sword... but in terms of improving current and recent events, maybe I'd just steal a couple humble boxcutters a few years back.

El Cid
March 17, 2004, 04:58 PM
***I'd like to rescue Davy Crockett's rifle from the Alamo.***

You are too late. That rifle is in the museum at the Arkansas state house in Little Rock.

That is, unless x42 had it melted down.:fire:

Ky Larry
March 17, 2004, 08:42 PM
A BAR, a Thompson,and an 1853 Enfield.

Fudgie Ghost
March 17, 2004, 09:48 PM
I'd go back in time about 25 minutes and get another cookie. . .

Mmmmm. . . chocolate mint.

March 17, 2004, 10:24 PM
Eastern front, 1945. SVT 40, MG42, STG44, P38, MP40, PPSh....etc.

I will second that.
I would certainly try to pick up a 91/30 sniper
Although a nice SVD would be excellent as well

March 18, 2004, 12:36 AM
Sixteenth Century Japanese swords sound good, but I'd rather liberate some Stingers from the mid-80's Afganis. Those aren't in the CA penal code. :D

If I can take stuff back into time, I vote for a few truckloads of AK's, another truckload of "spam cans", and Aaron Zelman, and we'll set up the Northern California Free State.

:D :D :D :D :D :D

March 18, 2004, 05:25 AM
***I'd like to rescue Davy Crockett's rifle from the Alamo.***

You are too late. That rifle is in the museum at the Arkansas state house in Little Rock.

That is, unless x42 had it melted down.
I don't think so... The Arkansas state house might have a rifle owned by Davy Crockett, but AFAIK the one he used in the defence of the Alamo was lost. Think of the memories - personal and for a nation - that that rifle would hold... :)

March 18, 2004, 06:49 AM
Pre 1964
Winchester Model 12's in Pigion grade Skeet in 20, 12 and 28 Bore. Also a few 12 gage in Trap models. I love these things but can't aford or don't want to pay, todays prices.

March 18, 2004, 07:11 AM
ANY weapon? Surprised nobody mentioned Excalibur . . . or maybe Thor's hammer. ;)

Or maybe go back to about 33 AD (have to research the date, calendars have changed a bit) to a place in the Middle East called Golgotha, and snag a very specific Roman spear . . .

Less exotic?

Maybe a nice Samurai sword by Masamune . . . or buy up a mess of DE rifles shortly after the Kynoch ammo for them began to run out, but before other makers came on line . . . they could be had cheap back then, and I missed it. :(

Dean Speir
March 18, 2004, 10:43 AM
Okay, I'll play…

1955: a brand new Whitney Wolverine, the original rimfire raygun.

1989: a Ruger X-GI… and I'd do my damnedest to get a "White Paper" out before Patrick Purdy went into that Stockton schoolyard, to counter Josh Sugarmann's brilliant and thoroughly deceitful Fall 1988 VPC strategy paper anticipating just such an event. One of the things that "White Paper" would urge would have been to not waste time trying to educate the media that Purdy's Kalashnikov was not an "assault rifle," because they didn't care, #1, and, #2, they happily created a new term, "assault weapon," and kept kicking the crap out of us anyhow.

March 18, 2004, 05:55 PM
A visit with the Master John Browning(maybe suggesting good high visability sights?) as he completed the designs for the 1911. Put in an order for two or three from Colt...one highly engraved. Invest in the 1911 program, and maybe suggest the 'Detective Special' concept, and invest in that too. Bop up to 1918, pick up my Colts(and a pair of BAR's) and a trip to North American Arms(of Quebec) and buy whatever 1911's they have handy(they only made 100!!). No doubt buy some other Colts, SAA and New Service revolvers, a couple of 1905 .45's, etc.
I like the previously mentioned visit to our national forefathers to re-write the 2nd ammendment so it was UNMISTAKABLE in purpose(might as well snag a Pennslvania Rifle while I am there). (Oops!! I must have left the plans for the percussion cap, metallic cartridge, breechloading rifle, and assembly line production with them...too bad for the British!!)
Ahh, sooooo many choices!!

March 18, 2004, 09:27 PM
i forget the exact year but i would get the two original 45cal lugers. it is my understanding that only two were made for US testing, although i believe their is a man (i forget the name) who hand makes them for a hefty price.

March 18, 2004, 09:41 PM

March 18, 2004, 10:01 PM
I'd go back to around 1912, pick up a few brand new 1911s and dig up a few Colt SAAs in nice shape. Keep one of each and sell the rest off for a nice tidy sum.

March 18, 2004, 10:13 PM
OK, call me selfish, but I would find a reason to go back in time, in Mass. I would sneak a brick of firecrackers and disrupt o'l Joe Kennedy's neighborhood on the night that Teddy Kennedy was to be conceived. I would bring back any saturday night special just to make it a legit exchange.

Abominable No-Man
March 19, 2004, 01:21 AM
Hmmm......does anyone know what happened to the pistol that Avrip Princip used to shoot the Archduke and started WWI with? THAT would be a good one.


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