Obama Blames U.S. for Mexican Gun Violence


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JFrame
May 3, 2013, 04:29 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/05/03/obama_blames_us_for_gun_violence_in_mexico_pushes_for_gun_control.html

Fast & Furious, anyone? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/just_cuz/JC_thinking.gif

Geez -- this is just so GALLING...


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MagnunJoe
May 3, 2013, 04:31 PM
Selling out the country he represents. But then again, we don't even know where he was born.

sonick808
May 3, 2013, 04:32 PM
For the first time ever, I am speechless by the actions of our "president".
That takes a big set of brass ones, let me tell you. This is despicable.

Solo
May 3, 2013, 04:32 PM
Yes, he could have been born on Mars for all we know!

Or, you know, Hawaii. Which is like Mars, in that it has a lot of volcanoes and no intelligent life, but part of the United States.

76shuvlinoff
May 3, 2013, 04:34 PM
What I think is far far from "High Road", so I will say I am not surprised by his action.

Money is the cause of Mexican gun violence.

InkEd
May 3, 2013, 04:38 PM
I am not surprised. Obama makes me sick. Blame American citizens. Not Eric Holder. Not Fast & Furious failure. Not Drug Cartels. Not Illegal Immigrants. Good lawful Americans are the problem. Take a hike.

nathan
May 3, 2013, 04:47 PM
He must have intel about US commercial ammo being bought by Mexican drug syndicates and gangs ending in bloody confrontations. Thus adding to the shortage here in the USA.

Midwest
May 3, 2013, 05:04 PM
First it was the President of Mexico who blamed the U.S. for Mexican Gun Violence. Now its the President of the U.S. blames the U.S. for Mexican Gun Violence. Who's the next one? Prime Minister of Canada?

mrvco
May 3, 2013, 05:09 PM
Is Barry suggesting that the US should quit selling guns to the Mexican Armed Forces? That would seem only "fair" now that he got caught providing the Mexican cartels with guns.

MErl
May 3, 2013, 05:09 PM
Dear Mr President,
Please stop trying to take away my rights because of what some misguided individuals are doing in other countries.
Thank you

351 WINCHESTER
May 3, 2013, 05:12 PM
I guess he blamed President Bush too long so he had to find someone else. At least obama is consistent.

HankR
May 3, 2013, 05:15 PM
He should know. His administration personally sold some of those guns.

12131
May 3, 2013, 05:18 PM
So, how many does this make, now? Apology Tour #10?:rolleyes:

bayjoe
May 3, 2013, 05:20 PM
How can this suprise anybody after everything he has done so far.

nathan
May 3, 2013, 05:22 PM
He is making statements that pleases the Mexican president and other high officials. That was what they wanted to hear from the USA, and thats exactly he delivered . Obama wanted more economic cooperations with them so he is playing this out to their tune.

mljdeckard
May 3, 2013, 05:26 PM
He crossed the line a long time ago, where he can say anything he wants and those who support him just won't care.

Grassman
May 3, 2013, 05:28 PM
What a disgusting failure of a president. I long for the days of Carter.

BullfrogKen
May 3, 2013, 05:32 PM
Most of the guns used to commit violence here in Mexico come from the United States," President Obama said during a speech at Mexico's Anthropology Museum


Well he should know. He did kinda help out a little bit in that regard, didn't he?

BullfrogKen
May 3, 2013, 05:33 PM
^^^^^


I never thought I'd live to see a President worse than Carter.


Never say never, right?

Ratshooter
May 3, 2013, 05:35 PM
I hope history remembers him as "The Great Apologist".

Or, you know, Hawaii. Which is like Mars, in that it has a lot of volcanoes and no intelligent life, but part of the United States.

Is Mars one of our territories now? If not, then it ought to be. We got their first. May obama can apologize for that too.:banghead:

MagnunJoe
May 3, 2013, 06:02 PM
Mexico has never cared about the drugs or human smuggling that comes into the U.S. From Mexico, but they make a big stink about smugglers using the same route to smuggle guns into Mexico.

nathan
May 3, 2013, 06:05 PM
Who is his mentor but good ole Clintonite. And even Hillary is making a comeback in four years.

TCB in TN
May 3, 2013, 06:07 PM
What are you guys complaining about. He IS telling the truth this time. The majority of guns used in Mexican violence do come from the US. He is omitting the fact that most of them were not from the civilian market, but were actually given to the Mexican Army/Police by our government before the cartels got them. But he his technically correct in his statement! :fire:

Sol
May 3, 2013, 06:20 PM
When a country is in terrible shape, like Mexico, it's key that the blame is put on a wealthier country. The truth is when you have a rampant outlaw country the officials and politicos must place blame elsewhere, when in fact it's been known for years that Mexico has, hands down, the most corrupt government. Smoke and Mirrors and remember feces rolls downhill.

Summary: Violence, drugs and paramilitary gangs only operate because somehow, somewhere they are "allowed" to operate. They need a purge and a reset.

USAF_Vet
May 3, 2013, 06:24 PM
This is going to backfire on him big time. A lot of liberals who still have their brains functioning inside their skulls are disgusted with 0bama over these comments. If he wanted to alienate fence sitters and moderates, he's gone a long way in doing so with one sleazy comment.

mljdeckard
May 3, 2013, 06:29 PM
I disagree. I don't think any liberal supporters care if he lies at all.

USAF_Vet
May 3, 2013, 06:39 PM
I disagree. I don't think any liberal supporters care if he lies at all.
Not all liberals are die hard 0bama brain washed fanatics. Some of them still understand what America stands for, and see right through him.

mljdeckard
May 3, 2013, 06:41 PM
But they vote for him anyway.

OilyPablo
May 3, 2013, 06:45 PM
You got drugs. You got gang lords. You got warlords. You have people hanged. You have supply and demand for drugs. You have people hacked up. You have huge egos. You have huger money. You have porous border control.

And I purposely left out Fast and Furious!

But the root of the problem is our 2nd amendment? Who voted for this political hack anyway?

SharpsDressedMan
May 3, 2013, 06:45 PM
Speaking of Hillary, Obama is so far out there, even SHE has distanced herself from him!

USAF_Vet
May 3, 2013, 06:47 PM
They did, yes. Since they can't do that again, he's got nothing to lose. He no longer really needs their support (but he really does if the Left has any chance of winning the House in 2014, and maintaining their majority in the senate).

He lost on Gun control, he's losing on Immigration. He's got nothing else to lose, but it still doesn't explain this sell out. I fear he has some other motive up his sleeve, something he doesn't need public support to shove through.

SlamFire1
May 3, 2013, 07:03 PM
All of the money that is used by Drug Gangs, laundered through banks like HSBC B, to pay corrupt Mexican Politicians, comes from America. If Obama wanted to really crack down on gun crime in Mexico, he ought to start on the Bankers.

Incidentally, did not the Mexican Government disarm the population? That explains how the Cops and Drug Gangs get to kill lots of innocent Mexicans because the people canít shoot back.

This BBC radio 4 program was an interesting listen on how badly broken the Mexican Government, and the Government is unable to control armed gangs and drug lords:

Mexico's Village Vigilantes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01rw2zg

wannabeagunsmith
May 3, 2013, 07:11 PM
YEah by the us GOVERNMENT but I guess the moron is half right.

Sam Cade
May 3, 2013, 07:25 PM
Well, the US prohibition of (some) drugs IS the factor that makes the violent Mexican cartels economically viable so it IS our fault.


Ever see any of the videos that the cartels make?

Chainsaw beheadings.
Women being hacked to death with axes,burned alive, sodomized to death with crowbars
Folks being forced to eat their own fingers and ears.

We the people facilitate atrocity every time we go to the polls.

http://i4.asntown.net/Two_men_who_were_murdered_for_drug_affiliations_Me-tsd7.jpg

Manco
May 3, 2013, 07:28 PM
Who voted for this political hack anyway?

The American people, the majority of whom these days expect government--particularly the federal government--to give things to them and take care of them from sperm to worm. :barf::banghead:

liberation1776
May 3, 2013, 07:30 PM
I honestly wonder if the media will even mention Fast and Furious with this one.

Geno
May 3, 2013, 07:35 PM
I posted this on my Facebook, regarding his 90% for UBC. It seems to fit here as well.

Regardless of Obama's affirmation bias regarding all matters Constitutional, I have lost what little passive faith I held in him. The instant I hear his voice, I steady myself for his latest episode of cognitive constipation, with verbal incontinence, with a goodly mix of brainless, mindless, heartless, irrational, and contrived non-thought. If he possesses any value or conviction of his own in that brain, it hasn't as of yet been loosed for public display.

That said, my condolences to the man, as it must hurt profusely being the puppet who sits atop Feinstein's, Pelosi's and Schumer's hands. I don't even want to know how they have managed to get the strings from their hands to his mouth and eyes. Must hurt like Hades!!! Poor man!!! Yes sirree Bobbin! Don't care how you slice it, that's a lotta hands to have rammed up one's "backside", and pullin' your strings.

And you all wondered why he walks funny...kinna stiff. Reflect on your last prostate exam, and magnify depth, girth, and persistence exponentially. The poor man would espouse any set of numbers to get his puppeteers to loose their grip. Would you not do the same?!

Edit to add: What?!?! You know you agree. 8^)

Geno

glove
May 3, 2013, 07:54 PM
I really have nothing to say. We just keep on vetoing these same Clowns in over and over again. Want real change vote the Bums out.

481
May 3, 2013, 07:59 PM
We just keep on vetoing these same Clowns in over and over again. Want real change vote the Bums out.
That's the real answer, but I doubt that I'll see it in my lifetime.

rdhood
May 3, 2013, 08:16 PM
Obama:
‘I think many of you know that in America, our Constitution guarantees our individual right to bear arms,’ Obama said. ‘And as president, I swore an oath to uphold that right, and I always will.’

‘But at the same time, as I’ve said in the United States, I will continue to do everything in my power to pass common-sense reforms that keep guns out of the hands of criminals and dangerous people.’


If he believed that, he would stop enforcing Federal marijuana laws, and start pushing marijuana legalization. THAT is a common sense reform that would dry up the money for the "criminals and dangerous people". The cartels aren't interested in limes.

BTW, I don't pretend that legalization comes without some downsides. I think those downsides are a lot less expensive in lives and dollars than the current war on the Mexican cartels, and the U.S. "war on drugs", or even the war over a street corner in Chicago. It's time to end those wars.

Manco
May 3, 2013, 08:32 PM
I honestly wonder if the media will even mention Fast and Furious with this one.

I don't, as it obviously would not help advance the agenda they share.

danez71
May 3, 2013, 08:51 PM
He lost on Gun control, he's losing on Immigration

I agree with the post this came from but this part....


"He" hasn't lost on gun control until he is out of office. Don't raise the victory flag yet... or ever.


"He" also hasn't lost on immigration because the GOP are easing toward a middle ground in an effort to win the presidency in 2016. Once an agreement is reached, "He" will claim victory for that too.


Who is his mentor but good ole Clintonite.

He makes B. Clinton look like a Saint.

lionking
May 3, 2013, 08:55 PM
If you look on any gun related article be in on Yahoo, CNN or whatever web news organization when a politician makes a statement like this, or when a anti-gun article is posted the comments by readers far often dismiss and counteract against them.

Once again people will say that this comment by the president is wrong and off the mark and I believe the open internet is a large part of what stops the anti-gunners from getting away with their propaganda.

The way I see it, if you look at photos of guns confiscated from cartels, is a majority of them are from black markets that originated from government sales be it from the U.S.A, Russia or China. I see photos of RPG and grenades from drug cartels, they sure aren't getting THOSE from a American civilian gun store or gun show.

America and Russia supplied countries in latin America and Africa during the cold war and I think a lot of those weapons made it to the black market and then into drug cartel hands. A real AK-47 can be bought for $20 to $50 dollars in some parts of south America or Africa why would a cartel buy one from a American gunshow that is traceable and just semi-auto for $600? Same with a AR-15 vs a M16.

Every time a Mexican soldier defects to a cartel if he takes his M16 with him that rifle originated from a U.S government sale it didn't come from a civilian gun show,

Governments especially the U.S , Russian and Chinese are the biggest cartels and gun runners of them all. And then there is the failed U.S war on drugs that creates the market for drugs and violence to begin with.

The politicians need to be confronted on this when they try to shift blame on civilians.

beatledog7
May 3, 2013, 09:09 PM
"...as president, I swore an oath to uphold that right [RKBA], and I always will...But at the same time...I will continue to do everything in my power to pass common-sense reforms that keep guns out of the hands of criminals and dangerous people."

That said, he could have added: If I can achieve passage of laws that instantly turn most law-abiding gun owners into "criminals" and regulations that make it easy to declare just about anyone to be "dangerous," I can disarm most of America's current gun owners and still say that all qualified Americans still have their guns. Hurray for me.

alsaqr
May 3, 2013, 09:13 PM
Obama continues to rant about US guns causing crime in Mexico. Folks are being killed by the tens of thousands in Mexico because US citizens have an insatiable appetite for dope. :mad:

Deltaboy
May 3, 2013, 09:20 PM
Goodness he is worse than Jimmy Carter and I never thought I would live to see one worse but I have.

homeka45
May 3, 2013, 09:20 PM
What a piece of work the President of the USA is.

G'dale Mike
May 3, 2013, 10:00 PM
Wonder if he set up meetings with the families who lost loved ones at the hands of his and Holder's "Fast and Furious" scam? How can you let guns walk when you know the only way to trace them is at scenes of murder?
It's also interesting to me, these liberals have their plan, flood Mexico with American firearms so they can attempt to abridge our 2nd amendment rights. The plan backfires,,, but after a period of time, they continue on, just as if their plan worked. It's like he planned to deliver this speech , and lo and behold, he IS going to deliver the speech! Whether F&F worked or not. I'm just befuddled,,,,, and not one question of him concerning F&F,,,, just mind boggling,,

runner55
May 3, 2013, 10:00 PM
Apparently Zero doesn't know that Mexico also has a southern border with Guatemala and Belize through which some major armament travels into Mexico.

Oh, I must have forgotten.........all of the RPGs, grenades, heavy machine guns and other military grade weapons plaguing Mexico are bought at gun shows in the U.S.

jbrown50
May 3, 2013, 10:25 PM
^^^^^


I never thought I'd live to see a President worse than Carter.


Never say never, right?
It's actually no coincidence that Presidents Carter and Obama mirror one another. Renowned globalist Zbigniew Brzezinski, who mentored Carter during his presidency as his national security advisor, now has a huge influential presence on Obama.

Manco
May 3, 2013, 10:33 PM
He makes B. Clinton look like a Saint.

Yes, Bill Clinton obstructed justice, but that is nothing compared to Obama openly and brazenly acting against his oath to uphold the Constitution and the interests of the United States. Clinton might have been a horny lying buffoon, but Obama is an enemy of the state, and that is a fact.

Obama continues to rant about US guns causing crime in Mexico. Folks are being killed by the tens of thousands in Mexico because US citizens have an insatiable appetite for dope. :mad:

Depressingly, we bear responsibility for both the latter and having elected a traitor to the highest office of the land. :o This is not about guns, really, but of course they and those who exercise their RKBA will be blamed and punished nevertheless because the militia of the people is always a threat to tyranny.

SharpsDressedMan
May 3, 2013, 11:23 PM
Legalizing drugs would just put more of a strain on welfare and federal money. I think we should forget Afghanistan and send our troops to Mexico to kick the Cartels' butts in a big way. Mexico could like it or not, or help with it or not. Who would trust their government anyway until the Cartels are neutralized enough to no longer have them (the government) in their pocket?

TheSaint
May 3, 2013, 11:34 PM
This is beyond a lame duck President, this is one that continues to insult the very office he serves by continually claiming there is nothing good about American society. We're all hateful, gun-toting maniacs, and get this---we're now exporting all of the horrible things we do. My lord, we need to impeach this man. He is unfit to serve in public office.

Solo
May 3, 2013, 11:35 PM
Legalizing drugs would just put more of a strain on welfare and federal money. I think we should forget Afghanistan and send our troops to Mexico to kick the Cartels' butts in a big way. Mexico could like it or not, or help with it or not. Who would trust their government anyway until the Cartels are neutralized enough to no longer have them (the government) in their pocket?
I swear we've tried that before...

TCB in TN
May 3, 2013, 11:56 PM
Legalizing drugs would just put more of a strain on welfare and federal money. I think we should forget Afghanistan and send our troops to Mexico to kick the Cartels' butts in a big way. Mexico could like it or not, or help with it or not. Who would trust their government anyway until the Cartels are neutralized enough to no longer have them (the government) in their pocket?

Sorry I disagree with this. 1st of all the folks on the welfare roles are in large part already partaking in plenty of drugs. It isn't like pot, coke, and a host of other illegal drugs are not very easily accessible to anyone who wants it. Legalizing drugs would create an legal growth industry here than can be monitored and taxed (a selling point to the government). It would also cut out a lot of the need for those violent individuals who are currently running the show.

Taking that money away would vastly reduce the influence of the cartels. We could use our own troops on the borders to stop illegals from entering, which for the most part would NOT be bringing drugs etc in because the market here would likely support itself. ( Not to mention that we don't need to do any more nation building, IMHO the Mexicans need to go back to their country and take it back and build it up)

I don't do drugs, I seldom even drink, but prohibition didn't work 90 years ago, and it isn't working today.

Coop45
May 4, 2013, 01:00 AM
I'm guessing that those sneaky Canadians are responsible for the mess in Chicago. Oh sorry, I forgot Chicago is Utopia!

Sam Cade
May 4, 2013, 01:57 AM
I think we should forget Afghanistan and send our troops to Mexico to kick the Cartels' butts in a big way. Mexico could like it or not, or help with it or not.

This is, without a doubt, one of the crazier things I have ever seen posted on THR.

...and for the record, the vast majority of illicit opiates (read that as heroin) come from...from...from.... Afghanistan. I've recently seen estimates as high as 90%.

76shuvlinoff
May 4, 2013, 08:00 AM
I think US military along the southern border is a great idea. I am not sure how much it would affect the drug trade but it might stem the tide of undocumented voters.

45_auto
May 4, 2013, 08:16 AM
I think we should forget Afghanistan and send our troops to Mexico to kick the Cartels' butts in a big way.

Yeah, that worked so well in Afghanistan against the Taliban that we should do it again. Do you expect the cartels to line up in uniform and face off against the 4th Infantry Division? Or maybe you just intend to wipe out the entire Mexican population in your attempt to destroy the cartel members living among them?

You may find this article from last month concerning the effectiveness of the US involvement in Afghanistan against the opium (heroin) trade interesting:

KABUL, Afghanistan — For the third year in a row, opium cultivation has increased across Afghanistan, erasing earlier drops stemming from a decade-long international and Afghan government effort to combat the drug trade, according to a United Nations report released on Monday.

Afghanistan is already the world’s largest producer of opium, and last year accounted for 75 percent of the world’s heroin supply. “The assumption is it will reach again to 90 percent this year,” said Jean-Luc Lemahieu, the United Nations’ top counternarcotics official here.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/world/asia/afghanistan-opium-production-increases-for-3rd-year.html?_r=0

ThorinNNY
May 4, 2013, 08:23 AM
Sorry,President Obama, but your`e exploiting Mexico`s violence problem for your own nefarious purposes. I tend to blame Mexicans for Mexican violence - I`m having a hard time seeing things from your perspective- the perspective of a practioner of cranio-rectal eversion .
I`ve always believed you have to respect the office the President of the United States of America even if you cannot respect the man holding it,but is becoming increasingly difficult to respect that office when the man occupying it has no respect for the office of the president.

FitGunner
May 4, 2013, 08:47 AM
Defending and leading our country is not on his 'to-do' list.

skimbell
May 4, 2013, 10:48 AM
Yeah, why can't they just keep him on the golf course.

lionking
May 4, 2013, 11:00 AM
While the debate on the war on drugs itself is a separate discussion away from the THR , the fact is the drug war leads to gun violence which the anti's then attempt to link to the need for gun control so it is in the interests of 2nd amendment supporters.

The drug war as is currently is a failed policy that has created gun violence as well as violence in general, it has created more crime than it has stopped, it has created over bearing police doctrine that for example leads to a Kansas couple to be wrongfully raided because buying hydroponic supplies.

http://news.yahoo.com/kansas-couple-indoor-gardening-prompted-pot-raid-182449463.html

It creates a self serving bureaucracy by all who benefit financially from the war on drugs from government to police to corporations to the prison and judicial system at our tax payer expense and our expense of lost liberty while of course also creating and benefiting criminals again at our expense when criminals rob and create war to supply themselves.

And then the ripple effect when politicians then use this as a need to ban and limit our guns because.

Meanwhile after all this, drugs are readily available underground for who ever wants them.

It is a big F for fail.

HOOfan_1
May 4, 2013, 11:16 AM
I fear he has some other motive up his sleeve, something he doesn't need public support to shove through.

Maybe he wants to be the next president of Mexico? Maybe he will come up with a birth certificate from Baja.

Mexico has only had violence problems through out recorded history...
Aztec making war on other tribes so they could get prisoners and cut their harts out.
Cortes goes in and slaughters many of the inhabitants
Fight for independence from Spain
Countless Civil Wars and Revolutions into the 20th century...including raiding into The United States

Yeah, I think the Mexicans are perfectly capable of fomenting their own violence

we are not amused
May 4, 2013, 01:03 PM
I think it is time to point out that yes, American guns are getting into the hands of Mexican criminals.

How do we know this?

Because the Attorney General of the United States, Eric Holder, sent them to them.

Remember "Fast and Furious"?

So the President is absolutely correct in his statement.

Now what does he plan to do about it? Fire Eric Holder and send him to Mexico to face Justice for his actions?

Not likely. No the President, who is just another Gun Grabber, who quite probably had advanced knowledge of "Fast and Furious", will continue in his support of the criminal Eric Holder, after all, to quote Hillary Clinton, "What does it matter" that a few laws were broke, a few Americans died, and a lot of Mexicans died? It's for a good cause, taking away the rights of those "who bitterly cling to their guns and religion".

Just kind of curious, how many of the people on this forum, who voted for Obama, still think it was a good idea?

Blackstone
May 4, 2013, 01:32 PM
This actually beggars belief. He sends guns to Mexico through F&F. People who predicted that he would then use that to justify more gun control measures in the US, were laughed at. But look what's happened here. How can this man stand at a podium and basically denounce the country he is the so-called leader of?!

Ken70
May 4, 2013, 01:45 PM
When you had conservatives like William F. Buckley advocating legalize drugs; there are so many advantages to doing it. Just getting rid of the pushers, marketing weasels that are trying to expand the market. Govt dope puts them out of business, who's going to buy the expensive illegal stuff when you can get it from the govt? Just think of all the crime to get the money to buy from the pushers, no more. They should do test programs in a couple of states to fine tune it before doing the country.

SharpsDressedMan
May 4, 2013, 02:05 PM
Dumb idea to send troops into Mexico to cope with a border problem? OK, let's just ignore the border. THAT seems to work so well. I'd just like to try a different approach, and deal with border problems FIRST, before continuing to be an international failure.

Solo
May 4, 2013, 02:35 PM
I don't believe anyone is for ignoring the border, but the first response to a border problem should not be a full scale invasion of the other country in pursuit of criminal organizations. It would make about as much sense as Mexico sending troops into the US to deal with MS-13.

saltydog452
May 4, 2013, 02:36 PM
If dope were to receive the blessing of being legal there wouldn't be a pressing need for hookers and pimps to ply their trade.

What'd we do for negotiable romance then?

salty

Sam Cade
May 4, 2013, 02:44 PM
Dumb idea to send troops into Mexico to cope with a border problem?

No, not dumb.

Monumentally stupid.

Sam Cade
May 4, 2013, 02:49 PM
What'd we do for negotiable romance then?



Well, the sex trade is going to exist regardless of drug policy but a saner drug policy *will* eliminate the reason that many turn to it.


The next step is to legalize and regulate the sex trade itself (as most of the western world does) which makes it safer for everyone involved.

Solo
May 4, 2013, 03:06 PM
What'd we do for negotiable romance then?

Open with a bid of $50 an hour.

we are not amused
May 4, 2013, 03:10 PM
This actually beggars belief. He sends guns to Mexico through F&F. People who predicted that he would then use that to justify more gun control measures in the US, were laughed at. But look what's happened here. How can this man stand at a podium and basically denounce the country he is the so-called leader of?!

Yes, I got accused of being a tin foil hatter for suggesting that as a reason for "fast and Furious" by a moderator.

Wonder if he still feels that way?:neener:

PabloJ
May 4, 2013, 03:16 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/05/03/obama_blames_us_for_gun_violence_in_mexico_pushes_for_gun_control.html

Fast & Furious, anyone? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/just_cuz/JC_thinking.gif

Geez -- this is just so GALLING...


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Given number of guns made in USA each ear I would guess his assertion is correct. The only handguns that can give US made stuff run for the money would be those made by Taurus with Beretta clone being very popular.

PabloJ
May 4, 2013, 03:18 PM
Selling out the country he represents. But then again, we don't even know where he was born.
POB was Honolulu Hawaii USA.

PabloJ
May 4, 2013, 03:29 PM
Legalizing drugs would just put more of a strain on welfare and federal money. I think we should forget Afghanistan and send our troops to Mexico to kick the Cartels' butts in a big way. Mexico could like it or not, or help with it or not. Who would trust their government anyway until the Cartels are neutralized enough to no longer have them (the government) in their pocket?
No. It would be far wiser to take over Canada. They have natural gas, oil, vast forests and no meaningful way of defending themselves.

Carl N. Brown
May 4, 2013, 03:43 PM
The president conceded his own country's role in the troubles that have plagued Mexico, acknowledging that most guns used to commit crime in the country come from north of the border.

Most of the criminals who do the crime come from Mexico, and the money that motivates the crime comes from north of the border.

As far the guns, they come from everywhere. As DHS and Strategic Forecasting independently pointed out, the 87% US origin guns were 3,480 guns out of 4,000 that showed up in the ATF dataset of US manufactures and imports, out of 7,200 guns that appeared to be US origin out of 30,000 guns seized in Mexican drug crimes over a period of five years. The 3,480 traced to US origins was 12% of the total of 30,000. In addition to the US, sources of drug cartel weapons include: Vietnam, Guatemala, Spain, Russia, North Korea, South Korea, Middle East, Africa, several countries of Central and South America. In short, anywhere gunrunning and drug smuggling overlap, or where bundles of US$100 bills are welcome. It is not necessarily the governments of these countries selling the weapons; illegal criminal gunrunning has existed since guns were invented.

According to El Universal newspaper, it was Mexican Presidente Filipe Calderon who ignited the current Mexican Drug War by sending in the Army in Dec 2006, shortly after he was elected. The murder rate began accelerating drasticly in 2008. In 2009, he appeared with Obama in Rose Garden press events and a joint session of Congress, blaming the accelerated death rate on sunset of the Assault Weapons Ban in 2004, and calling on a re-instatement of the AWB with applause from Obama.

The opposite party won Dec 2012 (6 year terms in Mexico), and the new Presidente, Enrique Pena Nieto, has vowed to demilitarize the drug war, and recruit 40,000 gendarmerie civilian police to enforce law in place of the Army. Obama tho is still doing the blame US guns somg and dance.

Fremmer
May 4, 2013, 04:20 PM
Obama sure does like to blame the US, doesn't he?

Well, it is our fault that Obama's gun control failed. Nobody wants it. And Obama didn't do an effective job leading. Again.

No new gun control!

Texan Scott
May 4, 2013, 04:44 PM
I`ve always believed you have to respect the office the President of the United States of America even if you cannot respect the man holding it,but is becoming increasingly difficult to respect that office when the man occupying it has no respect for the office of the president.

ThorinNNY, this is beautiful... and very sad... and true. Thank you for saying this in a way I could not.

herrwalther
May 4, 2013, 05:27 PM
Oh how right he is *cough Fast and Furious*

tekarra
May 4, 2013, 05:50 PM
The question is how many ordnance factories are operational in Mexico and to whom do they sell?

Hacker15E
May 4, 2013, 06:43 PM
The question is how many ordnance factories are operational in Mexico and to whom do they sell?

No, that's not really the question.

More important that that, what firearms are coming from all of the other ordnance factories and shady arms dealers from all over the world? With the money, power, and connections of the drug cartels, and the way they can pay off anyone they want in Mexico, they can buy any arms they want and have them shipped in illicitly anywhere on Mexico's 1,600 miles of coastline, or even through any one of the dozens of major shipping ports.

Although there's ample evidence that straw purchasing is taking place in the US, we also know that the cartels have numerous surface-to-air missiles, anti-aircraft guns, and all sorts of other heavy arms. It is ridiculous to think that the cartels are out buying heavy weapons off the black/gray market, but making straw purchases in the US for their small arms.

Occam's Razor tells us that just does not make sense, regardless of what the former Mexican President, Atty Gen Holder, and the POTUS want us to think.

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