Obama Trying Executive Order to Dis Arm Us Again


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Bruno2
May 3, 2013, 05:36 PM
I just got this from the GOA:http://gunowners.org/a05022013.htm


Apparently he is trying to use Obamcare to bypass HIPPA privacy laws.

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Cosmoline
May 3, 2013, 06:16 PM
HIPAA is little more than tissue paper in all this, and it is emphatically NOT safe to talk to any psych, period. The reporting requirements issue is secondary to the problems created by getting involuntarily committed. Your best defense is to have no history of any mental health treatment and no basis for any diagnosis. So if someone decides to try to commit you there will be no basis upon which to do so. People get themselves into trouble by opening up and generating a history of diagnosis and treatment, after which commitment is not too difficult to achieve.

OleReb
May 3, 2013, 06:33 PM
One more reason to not go to a shrink.

cwo2lt
May 3, 2013, 06:34 PM
I hope none of you used Zyban to quit smoking.;)

beatledog7
May 3, 2013, 06:35 PM
Never volunteer anything to anyone? Is that the answer to all this freedom hatred?

I'm thinking it may very well be.

USAF_Vet
May 3, 2013, 06:42 PM
Isn't this how the Soviets and the Nazi's worked? We've already got the fed/gov giving money to local LEAs for snitch rewards. Communities are breaking down, neighbors don't know each other, and don't trust each other. It won't take much to make them fear each other. Then the snitch money starts flowing. Your neighbor has a gun? Rat him out for $100. Oh yeah, this is the America I fought for. :rolleyes:

ngnrd
May 3, 2013, 07:07 PM
Never volunteer anything to anyone? Is that the answer to all this freedom hatred?

I'm thinking it may very well be.

The problem is, not volunteering information is a very tricky thing.

If somebody asks you "Do you know what time it is?", what is your automatic response?

If you respond by telling them what time it is, rather than a simple yes or no, you have volunteered information beyond what was asked for.

Very tricky indeed...

Yo Mama
May 3, 2013, 07:59 PM
I wish the article was more factually based, instead it's clear that emotion was the driving force in writing it. I'm not saying it's not something to think about, but I couldn't tell what is actually proposed here.

I work in mental health, and I can tell you it's not easy to committ someone actively wanting to hurt themselves or someone else. They can sit there and tell you for a couple hours what they are planning on doing, then you walk them through the urgent psychiatric center doors and they say they are no longer thinking about it. Well that's all, have a great day, see you later. I see value in strengthening the mental health system.

HKGuns
May 3, 2013, 09:11 PM
Follow this link to read the proposed rule changes and comment on this proposed rule change.

Comment here on this proposal (http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=HHS-OCR-2013-0002-0001)

beatledog7
May 3, 2013, 09:30 PM
If you respond by telling them what time it is, rather than a simple yes or no, you have volunteered information beyond what was asked for.

Yes, and even if that seems like a very benign question, we must be diligent. Just about anything can be used against a gun owner, and it's going to get worse.

Kim
May 3, 2013, 09:32 PM
People need to remember that getting a bunch of diagnosis for minor things that really do not need treatment and thinking you need an anti-depressant cause your girlfriend left etc. also makes it hard to get life insurance in the future.

newbuckeye
May 3, 2013, 09:46 PM
Whatever happened to picking yourself up by the boot straps and man-ing up?

Dlowe167
May 3, 2013, 09:53 PM
Im sick of this! Im about stopping preaching and start impeaching!!!!! Gun ammo prices are through the roof,if u can get.Mental health is the issue,not guns.All these punks that mommy & daddy didnt hug them enough are on that ill show them kick.We need to start referring to them are <deleted> cowards instead of by name!!!!!

M-Cameron
May 3, 2013, 09:53 PM
its legislation like this that is very dangerous......

just from reading the replies in this thread.....its quite apparent.

all this does is prevent people from going to the doctor to get the help they need.

mental illness is an illness just like any other......taking away rights because someone went to see a mental health professional is like taking away someone rights because they sought cancer treatment.

its sad, but laws like these will really only end up hurting more people because it gives people with mental illness one more reason not to go get help.

joeschmoe
May 3, 2013, 09:55 PM
Where is the EO? Oh, there isn't one.

bigdaa
May 3, 2013, 10:05 PM
It doesn't have to be strictly a shrink on your "Avoid Conversations List".

Remember that all patient information will be digitized and available to various as of yet nebulous government people and agencies.

I knew this from the beginning but never seemed to get much of a rise out of folks informing them that.

This places everything ever recorded by any of your physicians in confidence in the past in easily accessed e-copy. Too late where "Letting the cat out of the bag" is concerned.


PS, has anyone here EVER divulged use of illegal drugs or the possibility of addiction to alcohol to their Doc?????

Certaindeaf
May 3, 2013, 10:28 PM
.PS, has anyone here EVER divulged use of illegal drugs or the possibility of addiction to alcohol to their Doc?????
I think a lot of folk across the lands have medical marijuana cards.. meaning they smoke dope.

bigdaa
May 3, 2013, 10:41 PM
I think a lot of folk across the lands have medical marijuana cards.. meaning they smoke dope.
That will soon be of government record with Obama care.

r1derbike
May 3, 2013, 10:53 PM
I would like to see how many at the ivory tower league in government have seen shrinks, been given antidepressants, and be the first to have their guns confiscated, as a gesture of goodwill and enduring peace for eons.

Surely governing bodies would be happy to purge their ranks of mentally-ill representatives, who are on any kind of medication that would alter their capacity to function, harmful to the population at large!

The present scourge of proposed laws surely were penned under the influence of mind altering substances?

Or are they immune with a Monopoly pass go and get around the law free card?

What about all members of law enforcement, including our alphabet soup agencies, trusted with automatic weapons? How many of them have sought help and been given anxiety or antidepressant drugs? This is just the tip of the iceberg folks, with those enforcing this rule, guilty of it themselves. Think about the scary possibilities, hypothetical as they all might be!

CCP_Holder
May 3, 2013, 10:54 PM
No reason to go to a shrink, anyway. Years ago (back in the 80's) I went to a shrink during a bad divorce. This chick did nothing but sit there for an hour while she expected me to tell her what's been going on in my life for the last week........ for 135.00 an hour. I finally had enough and told her I could get the same thing from a bartender, who'd atleast offer a suggestion once in a while, and the drinks would be a HELL OF A LOT cheaper!

Sam1911
May 3, 2013, 11:08 PM
Where is the EO? Oh, there isn't one.True.

I wish the article was more factually based, instead it's clear that emotion was the driving force in writing it.True.

Stuff to ponder in there, though. Or better yet, a place to start looking for your own, factual, information.

Steel Horse Rider
May 3, 2013, 11:10 PM
Never Mind....

TheSaint
May 3, 2013, 11:22 PM
The pistol range is my therapy.

As for not seeing a shrink, so see your best friend, family member, priest, or someone else that doesn't hold a medical record over your head possibly with an axe to grind getting you involuntarily committed or too restricted to own a firearm.

Cosmoline's comments were on the money.

joeschmoe
May 4, 2013, 12:04 AM
Can we have 100 threads about Obama's use of sorcery, witchcraft, EO's to take our guns and eat our children? Doesn't seem to matter that none of that is true.

Jim K
May 4, 2013, 12:06 AM
The names and addresses of those making comments on the proposed regulations will be recorded. Any comment, other than full and complete approval, clearly shows the need for psychiatric care. No sane person can possibly oppose the will of President Obama (may the angels sing His praises and His name resound in the heavens). Hail Obama!

Jim

HKGuns
May 4, 2013, 12:53 AM
Where is the EO? Oh, there isn't one.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/01/16/read_president_obama_s_new_proposed_executive_orders_and_legislation_on.html

gc70
May 4, 2013, 12:56 AM
I would guess that most readers of this thread also read the GOA article (http://gunowners.org/a05022013.htm); it paints a grim picture.

Instead, Secretary Kathleen "ObamaCare" Sebelius - and her Department of Health and Human Services - has promulgated regulations which would, by executive fiat, waive all federal privacy laws and encourage you doctor to report you to the FBI.

But who read the "regs" cited in the GOA article? The Federal Register document cited is dull and tedious, but relatively short.

ACTION: Go to the Federal Register - at http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2013-04-23/pdf/2013-09602.pdf - and respond to the regs entitled “HIPAA Privacy Rule and the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).”

The Federal Register document is not even a proposed regulation - it is only a Request for Comments about HIPAA barriers to States' reporting to NICS of prohibited persons (as defined under existing laws and regulations).

gym
May 4, 2013, 12:59 AM
It's not a gun issue, many people who go to shrinks do so because no one will listen to them anyplace else. After having dozens of them as clients over 25 years, most don't take what they do seriously, after a while it's a business, and hit or miss at best.

joeschmoe
May 4, 2013, 01:15 AM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/01/16/read_president_obama_s_new_proposed_executive_orders_and_legislation_on.html

Where are the EO? Not there either. Guess you don't know the difference between EO's and "executive actions". EO's have the force of law (on the executive branch), EA's are meaningless newspeak.

Just what is an executive action?
By NBC's Shawna Thomas

The phrase of the week at the White House has been "executive action." That's what the administration has termed the announcements the President has made about changes to government mortgage and student loan programs.
The thing is, no one is quite sure what an executive action is. What is clear is that these Presidential moves have not been "executive orders." According to the C-Span Glossary an executive order is "a presidential directive with the force of law” that doesn’t need congressional approval. And the White House clarifies that executive orders are "binding because as Chief Executive the President has the power to command the executive branch."
But the trusty C-Span Glossary has no entry for "executive action" and tonight the White House clarified why, it's because it's kind of a catch all term. "It just means something the executive branch does. The use of any of a number of tools in the executive branch’s toolbox," said one administration official.
Executive actions can include "regulation, enforcement, statements of policy...and numerous other things," the official continued.
So, basically, it's anything the President does that doesn't modify a law. Multiple officials have said this is a continuation of changes President Obama has called for in various departments throughout his presidency.
It's just that this week, the packaging is a little prettier.
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/10/28/8528035-just-what-is-an-executive-action?lite

bigdaa
May 4, 2013, 12:39 PM
Can we have 100 threads about Obama's use of sorcery, witchcraft, EO's to take our guns and eat our children? Doesn't seem to matter that none of that is true.




I suppose you can dismiss the Presidents actions as simply business as usual, but I can't.

He wants no guns in America and has said such in the past. It's of public record. Please go look it up. Do the footwork (fingerwork).

If you mix ridicule in your terse response to those of us who have genuine concern for the future landscape of America, what does that make you?

Answer: Complicit.

Sam1911
May 4, 2013, 12:59 PM
bigdaa, I don't really want to speak for joeschmoe, but many of us are very tired of "OUR" side using as much disinformation, hyperbole, and sloppy reporting as the other side does.

Obama using an Executive Order? Oh, he's not? But we said he was to trick people into getting riled up? :scrutiny:

And it's been going on for a long time -- long enough for most of us to be thoroughly sick of it. Obama makes a real enough "bogeyman" just based on what he's really done and really tried to do. But when we pull the Alex Jones routine of just making up stuff to generate hits and raise people's blood pressure... it's nearly as destructive to our efforts and dissipates our strength and focus as much as anything the other side could hope for.

That's not being "complicit." That's being thoroughly exasperated with "OUR" own stupidity. And I AM.

bigdaa
May 4, 2013, 01:13 PM
Sam, I've followed this guy Obama from the beginning and do know of his tactics so well it is truly sickening. That said, I am intensely concerned about these constant and unprecedented pushes to gain control of so many things that are private and personal to we citizens. It isn't imagination nor is it paranoia. It's as real as a sunrise and Obama Care is the looming example.

We all know the old Pelosi "We have to pass it before we know what's in it" gaff. Well, we are all getting a taste "What's in it", like it or not.

Plus, we are seeing things for the first time that allow (albeit in very 'creative' ways for end around possibilities on of all things) infringement on our right to bear arms.

You all must know that the fight is constant, and never as intense as now.

People should have their blood boiling at this time. We should all be in resist and fight mode.

I did not start the belittling here, I only challenged it's source.

Those real concerns I have extend to my children's future. The ridicule and belittling seen in another members response is of heightened concern beyond Old Me. I believe I dealt with it with civility.

Where you take it from here is a reflection of whatever policy of THR that is placed on it.

Yo Mama
May 4, 2013, 01:28 PM
You all must know that the fight is constant, and never as intense as now.


Like Sam said, misinformation does not help us fight the real issues. It only helps the other side scatter us. Then when the real issue comes up it's much harder to focus the troops.

Those real concerns I have extend to my children's future. The ridicule and belittling seen in another members response is of heightened concern beyond Old Me.

There was no ridicule here. Just educated dialogue. I agree that you should teach your children to be aware and involved. They are the best hope we have to continue freedom for the next generations.

gc70
May 4, 2013, 01:33 PM
Those real concerns I have extend to my children's future so the ridicule and belittling seen in another members response has been dealt with on my part with civility.

Concern over the government's attacks on our rights is fully justified. But we have to separate real concerns from fearful fantasies.

The basis for this thread -the GOA article- is an example of promoting fearful fantasies that only makes us look as devious, irrational or uninformed as our opponents. Nevertheless, many of the comments in this thread have accepted the exaggerated claims in the GOA article without challenge. While ridicule is not the most polite means to get someone's attention, it is absolutely necessary that we challenge false claims.

Sam1911
May 4, 2013, 01:37 PM
Right! What I'm saying is that if the danger is from a bear, shouting about how the danger is a'coming and it's from bears, wolves, and zombies ... with rabies... is just distracting and blunts the sharpness of our response.

No-one here is saying what the current President, and all those antis around him and who predate him, are trying to do are not very dangerous. We're saying, don't make crap up! Dig until you find out what they're really doing -- and report THAT. THAT is bad enough.

There's so much NOISE in the news and political arenas that it is very hard to separate out what anyone is ACTUALLY doing or trying to do from the pure crap that the opposition is spraying about the issue. And the "right" is just as guilty of this as the "left." Don't ever believe otherwise -- not for a second. We don't want that to happen here any more than is inevitable.

Fight smartly, not stupidly. That's all.

Onward Allusion
May 4, 2013, 02:03 PM
Here's a hint boys and girls. Take a bit of salt with the crap spewed out by BOTH sides. Gun lovers and gun haters. Really, I kid you not. Go out into the real world and do some research on your own. Specifically, start by reading foreign news sources. You will see how screwed up our country is and it isn't just due to the current administration.

If all y'all are that paranoid about going to the pshrink, pay by cash and use an alias. If you can't afford it, there are groups like AA or your local church groups. Oh, and if you really need to take anti-psychotics to keep the demons and voices at bay, well....maybe...just maybe, you shouldn't be playing with firearms.

razorback2003
May 4, 2013, 02:10 PM
I believe you can only be judicially committed/declared by a judge insane to lose your firearm rights. That is how I understand the federal firearms law.

Someone who is stressed out from a divorce, job loss, death in family does not fall in that category.

There is a big difference between life stresses and needing someone to talk to and someone bouncing off the walls that a judge commits.

bigdaa
May 4, 2013, 02:18 PM
"the GOA article- is an example of promoting fearful fantasies"

Well guys, I never read it. So, I cannot be a part of spreading what I don't know is being spread.

I will go back and read the linked article with an eye for sensationalistic prose.

But...............right now, a fast bike is calling out from my garage "Ride me, big boy. Ride all of my 160 plus HP if you dare"


I dare to ride only about 90 of hers.


Have a great Saturday gents.

joeschmoe
May 4, 2013, 02:22 PM
I suppose you can dismiss the Presidents actions as simply business as usual, but I can't.
He wants no guns in America and has said such in the past. It's of public record. Please go look it up. Do the footwork (fingerwork).
If you mix ridicule in your terse response to those of us who have genuine concern for the future landscape of America, what does that make you?
Answer: Complicit.

I can dismiss the thread title as a lie and more Chicken Little claims the sky is falling. He has not issued an EO's on this. Go look it up. The Chicken Little's need to be ridiculed to stop this non-sense.

The gun grabbers thank you for distracting gun owners from the real issues. While they are retrying for UBC's in Congress, your distracting people with lies about EO's. What does that make you?
Answer: Complicit.

Sam1911
May 4, 2013, 02:22 PM
I believe you can only be judicially committed/declared by a judge insane to lose your firearm rights. That is how I understand the federal firearms law.

Someone who is stressed out from a divorce, job loss, death in family does not fall in that category.

There is a big difference between life stresses and needing someone to talk to and someone bouncing off the walls that a judge commits.

Right, but that's an issue that has come up (scarily) in some of these proposed new bills -- that we should open the matter up so that a psychiatrist or doctor COULD submit your name to the prohibited persons list, on their own diagnosis or belief that you shouldn't be trusted with guns.

That would be pretty alarming.

Fishslayer
May 4, 2013, 02:26 PM
There's so much NOISE in the news and political arenas that it is very hard to separate out what anyone is ACTUALLY doing or trying to do from the pure crap that the opposition is spraying about the issue. And the "right" is just as guilty of this as the "left." Don't ever believe otherwise -- not for a second.

One thing I've noticed is that the Left is much more adept at the out of context sound bite. You know. Where they edit together statements to make the opposition sound like raving lunatics or Hitler clones. Some of the stuff the Right cobbles together are downright amateurish and more than a little embarrassing.:barf:

gym
May 4, 2013, 02:48 PM
Most things shrinks say in their reports are words like "possible", or under the right conditions" it's very rare for a psychiatrist to say that someone he is treating is an imminent threat to society, "if so they have to report it anyhow". I don't see this becoming an issue, as all these actors that back him, are all seeing some type of therapist, or scientology, "which is a form of brainwashing", and most do so their entire lives. This goes for politicians also.
If this is made public, it would ruin a lot of aspiring political careers. I don't think it's in their best interest to press this.
On the other hand where are they going to get the manpower to review millions of cases?
I think all of this is getting too over the top, it's impossible to tell who is lying and who is not any more.

gc70
May 4, 2013, 03:30 PM
The GOA article (http://gunowners.org/a05022013.htm) does our cause harm because it contains so much misinformation.

"Obama Administration Trying to Grab Guns Through Executive Order" Other than being in the title of the article, there is no further mention of Executive Orders in the article.

"Remember how their [Senators Toomey, Manchin and Schumer] amendment would have encouraged your psychiatrist to turn you in to the FBI's gun ban list?" The Manchin-Toomey Amendment (http://www.toomey.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=968) contained no provisions weakending the standards for determining prohibited persons. Sec. 115 actually provided for the creation of a formal review board or access to judicial review in Federal court for veterans wrongly denied their 2A rights.

"Instead, Secretary Kathleen "ObamaCare" Sebelius - and her Department of Health and Human Services - has promulgated regulations which would, by executive fiat, waive all federal privacy laws and encourage you doctor to report you to the FBI." What the GOA article points to as "regulations" (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2013-04-23/pdf/2013-09602.pdf) are not regulations at all, but a request for public comment on whether changes are needed in regulations. And even the potential changes for which comments are requested are not about what the GOA article claims.

"Also, be sure to tell your congressmen that you oppose the "see a shrink, lose your guns" regs issued by the HHS." HHS has not issued a regulation. Writing to members of Congress to oppose something that has not been proposed would look pretty silly.

Sam1911
May 4, 2013, 03:37 PM
Very nicely illustrated, gc70. Exactly what I'm talking about.

We rail against "Left-Wing Liberal MSM propaganda" journalists for going off half-cocked, rushing to the "scoop" without checking to see if what they're reporting is even broadly factual, and giving the public wrong ideas and false information. And then we go and do the same thing (to) ourselves!

If it was only an embarrassment, that would be bad enough. But this kind of thing actually hurts us!

Certaindeaf
May 4, 2013, 03:38 PM
Sounds like most things are written by lawyers for lawyers/moneyed folk. I wonder if the elite/government class medical insurance plans will "have to" sell their payors out/limit their freedoms. I really don't think so.

herrwalther
May 4, 2013, 05:20 PM
A good friend of mine (NAVY vet) swore up and down that HIPAA is an iron clad agreement that says nothing bad ever happens to people who have mental health issues and firearm disarmament. What a nice fantasy world he lives in.

MAKster
May 4, 2013, 07:05 PM
These executive actions are the same wet noodles Obama announced 3 months ago. It's all a big nothing.

Bruno2
May 4, 2013, 07:31 PM
Someone who is stressed out from a divorce, job loss, death in family does not fall in that category.

Not yet anyways.

Deaf Smith
May 4, 2013, 07:44 PM
Obama Trying Executive Order to Dis Arm Us Again

Have any of you ever thought all this anti-gun stuff Obama is spouting right now is only to DISTRACT people from his cowardly actions at Benghazi and Syria?

See he, Biden, Reid, etc.. all know it will never pass Congress but he is trying and trying and getting the press to notice that and not the hearings on his very actions (and Hilary's to.)

Executive orders? Last time he waved that stick it turned into a wimpy grass weed in his hands and it will do the same this time.

He is a lame duck and getting lamer all the time and everyone is staring to notice.

Deaf

22-rimfire
May 4, 2013, 09:10 PM
Obama Care will be used against otherwise law abiding people and if you believe HIPPA is going to stop them... think again. They will simply blame the "system" and in essense there is no responsibility. The medical records will be available to the government whether or not you believe it or not.

Gallstones
May 4, 2013, 09:34 PM
Have any of you ever thought all this anti-gun stuff Obama is spouting right now is only to DISTRACT people from his cowardly actions at Benghazi and Syria?

See he, Biden, Reid, etc.. all know it will never pass Congress but he is trying and trying and getting the press to notice that and not the hearings on his very actions (and Hilary's to.)

Executive orders? Last time he waved that stick it turned into a wimpy grass weed in his hands and it will do the same this time.

He is a lame duck and getting lamer all the time and everyone is staring to notice.

Deaf

I have been wondering if I'm not getting paranoid, but I had this same idea, that the anti-Second threats are causing people to focus on them and thus remain naive about some other important things that are going on.

buck460XVR
May 4, 2013, 09:47 PM
bigdaa, I don't really want to speak for joeschmoe, but many of us are very tired of "OUR" side using as much disinformation, hyperbole, and sloppy reporting as the other side does.

Obama using an Executive Order? Oh, he's not? But we said he was to trick people into getting riled up? :scrutiny:

And it's been going on for a long time -- long enough for most of us to be thoroughly sick of it. Obama makes a real enough "bogeyman" just based on what he's really done and really tried to do. But when we pull the Alex Jones routine of just making up stuff to generate hits and raise people's blood pressure... it's nearly as destructive to our efforts and dissipates our strength and focus as much as anything the other side could hope for.

That's not being "complicit." That's being thoroughly exasperated with "OUR" own stupidity. And I AM.

Sam pretty well summed up my feelings on this. We ridicule the other side for crying "wolf" while the next moment it comes outta our mouths. We dish their credibility because of it while at the same time we discredit ours using the same tactics we accuse them of. Why some think it is okay to lower us to their level is beyond me. Ain't where I wanna go and it's not doin' our cause any good. I have got to the point where I tend to avoid these types of threads altogether because of it.

Texshooter
May 4, 2013, 10:43 PM
The GOA article (http://gunowners.org/a05022013.htm) does our cause harm because it contains so much misinformation.

"Obama Administration Trying to Grab Guns Through Executive Order" Other than being in the title of the article, there is no further mention of Executive Orders in the article.

"Remember how their [Senators Toomey, Manchin and Schumer] amendment would have encouraged your psychiatrist to turn you in to the FBI's gun ban list?" The Manchin-Toomey Amendment (http://www.toomey.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=968) contained no provisions weakending the standards for determining prohibited persons. Sec. 115 actually provided for the creation of a formal review board or access to judicial review in Federal court for veterans wrongly denied their 2A rights.

"Instead, Secretary Kathleen "ObamaCare" Sebelius - and her Department of Health and Human Services - has promulgated regulations which would, by executive fiat, waive all federal privacy laws and encourage you doctor to report you to the FBI." What the GOA article points to as "regulations" (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2013-04-23/pdf/2013-09602.pdf) are not regulations at all, but a request for public comment on whether changes are needed in regulations. And even the potential changes for which comments are requested are not about what the GOA article claims.

"Also, be sure to tell your congressmen that you oppose the "see a shrink, lose your guns" regs issued by the HHS." HHS has not issued a regulation. Writing to members of Congress to oppose something that has not been proposed would look pretty silly.
Yours is a well thought out response and observation, but I just feel our need for deligence is at a place never before seen.

I am old enough to have seen too many Government edicts (of all sizes, shapes and forms) already decided when "they" proclaim to want public input. Too late. Just a snow job for the masses.

I should think we, especially now, best be better safe than sorry.

gc70
May 5, 2013, 12:29 AM
I am old enough to have seen too many Government edicts (of all sizes, shapes and forms) already decided when "they" proclaim to want public input. Too late. Just a snow job for the masses.

I should think we, especially now, best be better safe than sorry.

Unless or until someone points out real, objectionable aspects of the Request for Comments, it appears to be fairly innocuous and our attention should probably be more profitably focused elsewhere.

When the actual proposed regulatory language is eventually issued, we should all read it very carefully; I am cynical enough (or maybe experienced enough) to believe that the Administration may try to slip in some zingers at that point.

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