Rem 760 35 Rem


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ExAgoradzo
May 4, 2013, 01:44 AM
Basic question... What do I have?
Just bought this gun from a widow who needed some help and needed some advice on her husbands guns. I have 150 rounds or so (haven't looked too closely yet at all of it, I really was in it to help her out).
I have never set out to own a 35 Rem, but I do want a med bore rifle. While this technically is, it isn't really (here comes the tomatoes...Im ducking).
So it is 'a little better than the 30-30 say some...others say no way...
So school me please...
Thanks,
Greg

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ExAgoradzo
May 4, 2013, 01:48 AM
Btw: I can't read the date stamp on the side of the barrel and from my IPhone I can't find a serial number dating page...

frankenstein406
May 4, 2013, 01:54 AM
It's better then a 30-30, should push a 200 or plus grain bullet around 2400-2600 in that range going off memory. Hope to buy a 35rem some day.

firesky101
May 4, 2013, 02:20 AM
It's better then a 30-30, should push a 200 or plus grain bullet around 2400-2600 in that range going off memory. Hope to buy a 35rem some day.
Thats some zippy velocity for .35 remington. Not saying you could not do it as SAAMI pressure specifications are pretty moderate for this round, but factory ammo comes in at 2050-2275fps with a 200gr.

tahoe2
May 4, 2013, 02:28 AM
way better than a 30-30 (which is no slouch) in my opinion.
The 35 Rem is a "Thumper" @ 200 yards or less(deer). If I'm hunting deer I'll take either one ;
If I'm hunting something bigger (Elk or Black bear) the 35 Rem gets the nod @ 150 yards or less.
Used within it's limitations it is a wonderful, low recoil round. Never owned one, but shot plenty!

Cryogaijin
May 4, 2013, 06:44 AM
rem 760 in 35 whelan is one of my dream guns.

jmr40
May 4, 2013, 07:15 AM
A 760 chambered in 35 Rem is one of the rarer chamberings and they bring a small premium. It is a good close range deer/black bear chambering suitable for anything a 30-30 will do. It's fat short bullets lose velocity and energy fast and do not penetrate nearly as well as a 170 gr 30-30 bullet. No animal will ever know the difference if hit with either. You just have to get a few steps closer to do it with a 35.

Despite some claims, anything a 35 does a 30-30 does a little better. If the 35 were better than a 30-30 it would still be in production. Marlin is the only company who ever made any rifles in any numbers and even they have stopped production. Remington has made very limited numbers of pump and bolt rifles chambered in 35 but that is about it.

It's better then a 30-30, should push a 200 or plus grain bullet around 2400-2600 in that range going off memory. Hope to buy a 35rem some day.

Thats some zippy velocity for .35 remington. Not saying you could not do it as SAAMI pressure specifications are pretty moderate for this round, but factory ammo comes in at 2050-2275fps with a 200gr.

A 30-06 is pushing the limits of handloading to shoot a 200 gr bullet to 2600 fps. My 35 Whelen wouldn't get 2600 fps with 200 gr factory loads. Most factory loads are listed at about 2000 fps from long test barrels. Actual bullets fired over a chronograph with real barrels are in the neighborhood of 1800-1900 fps. Hot handloads in a long barrel might get you 2000-2100 fps.

shaggy430
May 4, 2013, 08:00 AM
To the OP, may I ask what you paid for it?

ExAgoradzo
May 4, 2013, 09:17 AM
I'm embarrassed to say how much, labor not included I paid $300. No matter how you cut it, I def got a deal, and I hope she feels she did as well.
B/c they had no family and she wasn't hurting for money I do think she was happy to 'pay' for what we did with the deal.
Greg

StretchNM
May 4, 2013, 08:21 PM
Hey ExAgoradzo,
If you're curious to really see what others think about the 35Rem (and it''s comparison to the 30-30), see this thread http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/336/80077-what-35-remington-advantage.html. There's enough reading in there to make a curious man happy for months (I read about 12 posts before I gave up).

I agree with what guys have said here about the 35 Remington. It carries much more authority than the 30-30. I say that NOT because of the thread linked above but because I own both. I also like them both. (((:D))) You need to reload though if you're going to be shooting alot of 35Rem!!

You got a good deal, I think.

Ratshooter
May 4, 2013, 09:02 PM
Here is a chart comparing the 30-30 and the 35 remington. This chart makes the 30-30 seem just as good if not a little better.

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/compare.htm

ExAgoradzo
May 4, 2013, 09:50 PM
Thanks Stretch a d Rat...Ill read them both.
About a year ago I permanently borrowed a 336 Marlin and now I have this. In a year or two (if there is a such thing as powder or bullets) Ill start reloading. I wonder what happens with the Hornady LeverEvolution in front of max powder...I bet it steps it up a bit:).
Just got home, so it will be a day or two.
Thanks guys, love reading your comments.
Greg

T.R.
May 4, 2013, 10:35 PM
I have taken deer with both cartrdiges and I feel that they're both quite lethal at typical woods distances. But for the larger animals, the 35 has the advantage of heavier bullet.

TR

ExAgoradzo
May 5, 2013, 12:49 AM
On a previous thread I made, i asked the question about the 'larger hole' theory of hunting. If the penetration and the pressure is greater with the smaller projectile (as the chart RatShooter gave us seems to say) then why is the 'larger hole' better? This is a question that I really have. Now, if you follow the thread in the Marlin owner's site one guy talks about shooting a 1/4 " steel plate: that I get, a 'larger hole', but steel plate is not hog heart penetration: if the 30-30 goes deeper and has more energy at 150 yards, how is a bigger splat without as much energy behind it going to help. If you push a hog over and don't stop its hearts and lungs he'll get up and head into the bushes...

Someone please educate me either way on this: I really want to know...

BTW: I'm taking my son camping next week. I bought him a Sav 93 17HMR: now we're going to have something a little bigger to shoot with it ;).

Greg

StretchNM
May 5, 2013, 02:24 AM
Here is a chart comparing the 30-30 and the 35 remington. This chart makes the 30-30 seem just as good if not a little better.
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/compare.htm

Someone please educate me either way on this: I really want to know...


http://www.leverguns.com/articles/fryxell/35_remington.htm

This article might give some insight. It's easy to compare ballistics and come to the conclusion that the smaller bore of a well-loved caliber is better than another larger bore. But then again, alot of these opinions (including mine) amount to nothing more than personal preference. Why? Because very few of us (certainly not me!) have the time, experience, knowledge, and equipment to truly evaluate the difference and reach a scientific conclusion. So, we really don;t know the bias between one author's article and the next (or one ballistics table to the next), even when there are mathematical forumlas that will give us the correct answer. We do know and can rest assured though, that when hunting larger animals, all shooters will want to step up in bullet weight and diameter. It's only when there is a substantial difference in velocity and distance to the animal that would give favor to a smaller bore.

ExAgoradzo
May 5, 2013, 10:16 AM
StretchNM
Thanks for the article! I love reading that kind of stuff.
Now I just need to find a place to hunt at 100yards and I won't feel undergunned!
Here on the CA coast it's just too hard to find public area that hasn't been over hunted: I need to meet some ranchers who have pig problems and assist them :).
Greg

StretchNM
May 5, 2013, 02:25 PM
You're not limited to 100 yards, not by a long shot. Although, I wouldn't shoot pigs out past 150 and deer outside of 200, but then, I'm the type that doesn;t want to shoot at any animal outside those distances, regardless of caliber. It's not the killing or energy factors as much as it is an accuracy problem at beyond those distances.

ExAgoradzo
May 6, 2013, 12:09 AM
What I meant by that is most opportunities happen outside of 100+ yards. I dream of going to the South where deer end up within 50 yards...Id be a Davey Crocket!
Greg

Zeke/PA
May 6, 2013, 03:39 PM
After years of toting a Model 70 around I bought a Marlin 336 in .35 Remington a few years back. I'm shooting 200 Grain Core-Lokts for one shot kills on deer and very accurate to boot.
I shot quite a few 760's in my day and I never saw one that wasn't a shooter.
With an accurate cartridge like the .35 you WILL be pleased.
The Hornady LEVERLOUTION's shoot exceptionally well in my rifle by the way.

Water-Man
May 6, 2013, 03:47 PM
jmr40,

You forgot the Remington Model 8, the rifle I took many deer and some black bear as well with.

Shame on you.:cuss:

Sav .250
May 6, 2013, 03:54 PM
Beside what the posters have said, you can ask your question on google as well. Lots of information available.

ExAgoradzo
May 6, 2013, 10:40 PM
I have read many googled pages: always like reading more.

Range report:
Gun worked great!
Scope not at all! (LOL!)
Need to replace it.

Next question:
Can I get enough FPS out of it to put in a copper spitzer?
Which one to use?
Thanks,
Greg

Zeke/PA
May 7, 2013, 06:58 AM
I have read many googled pages: always like reading more.

Range report:
Gun worked great!
Scope not at all! (LOL!)
Need to replace it.

Next question:
Can I get enough FPS out of it to put in a copper spitzer?
Which one to use?
Thanks,
Greg
There are choices available for jacketed bullets in the .35 but don't expect any "screaming" velocities thereabouts. As far a a "spitzer" bullet the Hornady Leverloution bullet is very good.
If you reload,your choices are of course much greater as far as bullet choice.

ExAgoradzo
May 7, 2013, 09:17 AM
Unfortunately the Leverevolution is the FTX not the GMX. Can't hunt with it here.
But I was thinking yesterday, when my buddy and I went looking for pigs: I have both the 6.5x55 and the 270 win in copper: not everything needs to be. But I am getting tired of Gov Moonbeam making laws that make it harder to be a responsible legal gun owner in CA. Drives me nuts: I may not be here forever...he'd prob be happy to hear that.
Greg

GooseGestapo
May 7, 2013, 10:28 AM
Back from 1991 to 1995 I owned a 760 in .35rem. Reloaded for it and shot a number of deer with it. I presently own a Marlin 336 and consider it to be a superior hunting gun to the Rem. 760.

The things I didn't like about the 760 were that the forend "rattled" as it had a necessary amount of play, just like the Rem.870 shotgun. Secondly, the forend required a bit of reach to operate so the ergonomics weren't as good as the Marlin.

My handloads were a bit warmer than factory and were above the listed maximums for the Marlins. Ditto my current loads for the .35 Marlin.

You won't see 2,500fps with a 200gr bullet, but from the Rem. 760 I was able to get 2,400fps with H322. This load was also tack-driving accurate from the Rem.760. I was able to get a couple of 3-shot 1-hole groups with it. (200gr Sierra RN, my second favorite bullet from this cartridge).

The .35Rem is one of my favorite cartridges. At 2,300fps my current load utilizing the Rem. 200gr Corlokt has taken several dozen deer and several pigs. The Marlin is not quite as accurate as the Remington was but is no slouch. It routinely gets 1.5moa for 3-shots and I've shot 1" groups at 185yds (max distance I have on my backyard range).

I have't shot it as much since I got a .338ME and a .358win from the widow of a friend. The difference between the .358 and the .35 wasn't as much as I'd expected. The 20"bbl of the .358 BLR only gives about 200fps more velocity with an additional 8.0gr of H4895 which is the powder I use in both. IMR3031 will give an additional 50fps from the Browning but isn't nearly as accurate.

The reason for the near equality of the .35 to the .30/30 is that the factory ammo is loaded so light in the .35. As John Barsness once said about the factory 6.5x55Swede ammo, they're loaded to the level of "burrito gas farts"..... About as apt of a description as I could make.

Having used the .30/30 for nearly 50yrs and the .35 for almost as long, I can assure you that a .35Rem loaded to the level of the 1920's "Express" loading by Remington (2,250fps for the 200gr bullet) the .35 is on par with the .30/06 for on game performance out to 200yds.

A properly sighted .35 with current ammo (typically ~2,000-2,100fps) sighted to impact 3" high at 100yds is only 5" low at 200yds, so is a point and shoot to that range for deer, black bear, and pigs. Inside that range, it's hard to beat.... Only advantage the .30/30 has is cost and availability of ammo. (btw I also have two .30/30's, and shoot/like them too, especially with cast bullets...).

For a better appreciation of the .35 for those who don't reload, try the Buffalo Bore 220gr or GeorgiaArms 200gr CorLokts at 2,200fps. I've used the Hornady 200gr FTX but can't get excited about it. The one I shot an 8pt with failed to expand. Killed the deer (drilled heart), but it left no blood trail and had to use dog to find it.... (Ran 120yrd in dense woods....).

Zeke/PA
May 7, 2013, 02:07 PM
Unfortunately the Leverevolution is the FTX not the GMX. Can't hunt with it here.
But I was thinking yesterday, when my buddy and I went looking for pigs: I have both the 6.5x55 and the 270 win in copper: not everything needs to be. But I am getting tired of Gov Moonbeam making laws that make it harder to be a responsible legal gun owner in CA. Drives me nuts: I may not be here forever...he'd prob be happy to hear that.
Greg
I think that the .35 Remington using 200Grain Remington Core-Lokts would be a fine Hog cartridge,especially in thick brush.

ExAgoradzo
May 7, 2013, 02:46 PM
Thanks Goose that was a great read.
Stephen and I noticed the rattle too: it didn't bother me as much because my attention was taken by the non-working scope. I think when I get a chance I re-place a 4x? I lieu of the 4x32 on it now. I liked the sight picture at 100 yards, won't be shooting 300+.

Unfortunately, the fTX and the GMX need a lot more FPS, prob why it didn't expand for you. The guy at the LGS told me yesterday that the Nosler is better than the Barnes or Hornady: but they don't make a 200 gr 358...

It will still be a fun gun and if I ever do get out of here those Core-locks I suspect wi do just fine...
Greg

Zeke/PA
May 7, 2013, 03:08 PM
ExAgoradzo,
I am certain that when you get new glass you'll have a great rifle in the .35. As I said before, I NEVER saw a 760 that did not shoot, even with all the shakes and rattles.
Have Fun!!

ExAgoradzo
May 7, 2013, 03:30 PM
Thanks Zeke!
Greg

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