New Dillon 550b - lube


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atygrit
May 7, 2013, 12:09 AM
I finally broke down and bought a Dillon 550b. I originally purchased the Lee Classic Cast Turret and will not be getting rid of it, I just got very frustrated with the priming system and 4 pulls per round.

It appears the ram has some lube from the factory, but I'm not sure how much. The ram make a high pitch rasping sound when I move the ram. It is smooth, but I get the impression it is dragging. Just wondering if this is normal on a new 550b and if i needed to lube it with 30 weight oil.

Also, I'm having a problem with the indent ball under the shell plate. I can't get the star to spin smoothly and the indent ball will only sometimes click into place. I was thinking I needed to lubricate the shell plate bolt and the indent ball with some light grease. Before I made a mess with grease I wanted to see what the experts thought.

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Kp321
May 7, 2013, 12:33 AM
I lube the ram on my 550 with synthetic oil, either Royal Purple or Mobile 1. Keep the shell plate area oil free or it will gum up with spilled powder. Yes, you will spill powder. I have had good luck with dry silicone lube after polishing the shaft of the center bolt. I also run a Uniquetek roller thrust bearing.

luis7
May 7, 2013, 05:46 AM
I use 10w40 semisynt. Total 7000 motor oil work ok in all presses ram.
Lithium grease for pivots.
Greetings from Espaņa.

rajbcpa
May 7, 2013, 06:10 AM
....no surprised at this.

I just bought a Dillon 600 swager and it has a defect.

UHG.

wardor
May 7, 2013, 09:28 AM
....no surprised at this.

I just bought a Dillon 600 swager and it has a defect.

UHG.

What kind of defect? It's a pretty simple machine?

atygrit
May 7, 2013, 09:31 AM
I don't want to give the impression that it is broke. The ram is smooth but is just making the raspy sound.

rajbcpa
May 7, 2013, 10:31 AM
Are there any scratches or other wear marks on the rams' cylinder? Can you tell if the moving parts have been greased at the factory?

I would grease or oil it up and use the press to see if it smooths out with time.

osage48
May 7, 2013, 11:16 AM
Is it possible that quality is suffering due to the huge backlog?

Eb1
May 7, 2013, 11:25 AM
Read the manual it calls for 30 weight oil on the ram

rajbcpa
May 7, 2013, 02:44 PM
There is a threaded grease loading "zurk" fitting on the left side of the ram linkage on my 550B press. I suppose, it is possible they did not grease the fitting at the factory.

I would remove the threaded zurk fitting with a wrench and see if there is any grease in there. If not, take a grease gun and charge the linkage at the zurk fitting.

If you do not have a grease gun, take the whole press to a gas station that does car repairs. They should be able to charge your press with grease in about 30 seconds.

Mat, not doormat
May 7, 2013, 07:29 PM
I think I'd buy a grease gun before I unbolted a press. Just sayin'.

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atygrit
May 7, 2013, 07:56 PM
I did add 30 weight oil to the ram but it still made a rasping dragging sound. I just isn't smooth as butter like some that I have seen in some stores. I was trying to determine if this is normal on a new 550b press due to the surfaces needing to wear in.

rajbcpa
May 7, 2013, 10:05 PM
NO ...this is NOT normal.

Wayne_E
May 7, 2013, 10:28 PM
Make sure the set screw on the side of the ram below the platform is not loose and exposed out the side of the ram.

mtrmn
May 7, 2013, 11:04 PM
It is not normal---CALL DILLON

You will NOT be disappointed.

dsm
May 7, 2013, 11:37 PM
Make sure the set screw on the side of the ram below the platform is not loose and exposed out the side of the ram.

Good call

atygrit
May 7, 2013, 11:42 PM
Thanks for all of the replies.

I shot a video of it on my phone and uploaded it to YouTube to try and capture the sound and it worked. It is nosier than the sound in the video, but you will get the idea.

http://youtu.be/-7fvZPWUwlA

If you watch the HD version, you can kind of see streaks in the oil. I'm guessing that is where the main shaft is rubbing.

atygrit
May 8, 2013, 12:08 AM
The set screw is all the way in and it made the noise before I even put the shell pate on.

GaryL
May 8, 2013, 12:16 AM
Sounds to me like the finish inside the base is less than perfect - like little ridges the ram rubs on. It may smooth out over time. The nice thing about the Dillon warranty is you can see if it smooths out over a week or so.

I would probably run it dry for a couple hundred rounds to see if it smooths out and then try lubing it up again.

FWIW, I switched to synthetic gear lube for my press (and a few other things as well). Nothing against motor oil, which I use for lubricating a number of things besides IC engines, but after some experience and consideration, I realized that differential gear lubrication more closely resembles the requirements of things like a press. Gear lube needs to stick to the gears, whereas motor oil is pumped and needs to flow. Also, the 70W of a gear oil equates to something closer to a much lighter weight motor oil - it's not as thick as the numbers suggest.

rajbcpa
May 9, 2013, 07:34 PM
I just called Dillon last week about an wrong order shipment. My order also contained a defective Model 600 swager.

I think you will be VERY disappointed with Dillon service because you will be on hold for hours. They do not answer voice mail - too busy.

dnite
May 9, 2013, 08:27 PM
I have never been disappointed in Dillon service.
Send an email to service dept and you will get a reply, not same day as they are totaly swamped with orders. this is a good thing, the guys who THINK they will reload in the future will be selling those presses not to long down the road.

Also look at the forum on the Dillon web site, it has helped me a bunch and you can ask your question there.
dk

atygrit
May 9, 2013, 11:54 PM
I called today at work and waited on hold about 40 minutes. The person answering the phone was very nice and helpful. Said my hearing was way better than his and that it is more than likely just the ram rubbing on the aluminum base and not to be concerned about it. It will probably go away.

Also, he said I could put a little grease under the the head of the shell plate bolt where it contacts the index sprocket and that might eliminate some binding that I'm experiencing.

All in all, I thought the call went very well and if it doesn't work out like he said I'll just call again.

It helped that I could call on a day that I wasn't stressed to the max at work and had a little slow time.

ljnowell
May 10, 2013, 12:04 AM
I just called Dillon last week about an wrong order shipment. My order also contained a defective Model 600 swager.

I think you will be VERY disappointed with Dillon service because you will be on hold for hours. They do not answer voice mail - too busy.

Why am I not surprised to see you complain about Dillons service? You are the same guy that bashed one of the most reputable bullet manufacturers there is, and then refused to even post a picture of the so called defective bullets. I bet you never even called them either before bashing on the net.

Hondo 60
May 10, 2013, 01:19 AM
I lube my 550 with White Lithium Grease.
And I too, have NEVER been dissatisfied with Dillon's Customer Service.

rem700nut
May 11, 2013, 03:26 PM
for 15 years i have been using 3 in one oil on my dillion 550 -b ,no problems ,some peaple may think it is to lite of an oil ,but it works ,and after my f-i-l died we found a life time supply ,,use what you got

Ex
May 11, 2013, 11:25 PM
20-50 full syn motorcycle oil.

I place lube at top of ram cylinder then run the ram back and forth though it.

About every 500-700 rounds, wipe the ram clean add a few drops of oil. Is always smooth and never dry

Maj Dad
May 12, 2013, 11:10 PM
I think bear grease would work fine, but I use 30 wt because that's what Dillon recommends. I have most of the POL products known to common man (or had in the past), and use some on all kinds of different things, and my take after 50 years is that if you use something, you're probably o.k., but nothing will torpedo you. I use the expensive grease Mercury Marine recommends on my steering controls, though moly would probably work, because I spent a crap-load of $$ on that monster and it ain't gonna break because I know better than Mercury, or because I'm to cheap to spend $10 on grease for a $10,000 motor.

And finally, I have never had a problem with Dillon customer service (the current overload situation notwithstanding), and all I have ever gotten is complete and total satisfaction to the point of being embarrassed to accept free parts sent "just in case." Some are as good (RCBS comes to mind), some are not so good, but I haven't encountered any better. If your press breaks or becomes inoperable because of the problem, rest assured Dillon will make it good.

My 2 cents...

arizona98tj
May 12, 2013, 11:49 PM
In my 650 manual, at the end of the Troubleshooting Section, they have a couple of paragraphs about maintenance and lubrication. Not sure if the 550 manual does or not.

Ex
May 13, 2013, 09:21 PM
I think bear grease would work fine, but I use 30 wt because that's what Dillon recommends. I have most of the POL products known to common man (or had in the past), and use some on all kinds of different things, and my take after 50 years is that if you use something, you're probably o.k., but nothing will torpedo you. I use the expensive grease Mercury Marine recommends on my steering controls, though moly would probably work, because I spent a crap-load of $$ on that monster and it ain't gonna break because I know better than Mercury, or because I'm to cheap to spend $10 on grease for a $10,000 motor.

And finally, I have never had a problem with Dillon customer service (the current overload situation notwithstanding), and all I have ever gotten is complete and total satisfaction to the point of being embarrassed to accept free parts sent "just in case." Some are as good (RCBS comes to mind), some are not so good, but I haven't encountered any better. If your press breaks or becomes inoperable because of the problem, rest assured Dillon will make it good.

My 2 cents...
Ditto on the Dillon service barring the current crunch. They are super nice folks over there and they will take the time to talk to you about any problems you are having.

There is also the Dillon forum where you don't have to sit on hold. Post your question, check it in a day or two and you should have an answer from Dillon.

http://www.dillonprecision.com/the_forum.html

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