What should everybody have?


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itgoesboom
March 17, 2004, 01:17 AM
Just curious what everyone thinks is everyone should have in the way of a small "arsenal" or collection of firearms.

I am not talking specifics (ie, bushmaster ar, or VEPR, ect), I mean, what type of firearm should every household have?

Right now I have 3 pistols, a .22, a .380 and a 9mm, 1 SKS as my rifle, and 2 shotguns. I am planning on picking up a Marlin or Savage bolt action .22 this month, and hopefully another centerfire rifle this year as well.

So what does everyone "need"?

I.G.B.

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Wildalaska
March 17, 2004, 01:21 AM
Every human being in the known universe should own a Colt 1911 45acp of whatever size he or she chooses.

WildthatstheonlyrequirementforlifeAlaska

Black Majik
March 17, 2004, 01:23 AM
I gotta agree with WA. Everyone needs a colt.

Now the list:

-1911
-Clay gun
- HD Shotgun
- Sig Sauer
- Glock (to throw at the intruder once all the bullets are gone from the other guns)
- a .22 pistl
- a .22 rifle
- Long range Bolt Gun
- Revolver in magnum cartridge (.357, .41, .44, maybe .500)

Preacherman
March 17, 2004, 01:58 AM
Aha, a new list! :D

Seriously, though, IMHO, a minimum battery should look like this:

One "serious" self-defence handgun in an appropriate caliber (.38 Special or 9mm. Parabellum minimum);

One rifle, for dual use as hunting and self-defence instrument (in a caliber appropriate to the game you'll hunt, and an action suitable for defence - I usually suggest .30-30 or .308);

One shotgun, ditto (perhaps with two barrels, one short for HD, one longer with screw-in chokes for hunting - or two shotguns);

One rimfire handgun, for training, plinking, target practice, small game hunting, and backup use for defence;

One rimfire rifle, for the same uses.

That makes five guns, with two barrels for the shotgun if possible. As resources become available, I'd double up on the above battery before branching out into other weapons. The reason for doubling up is simple - if one weapon goes down for maintenance, or you use one in self-defence and the police confiscate it for testing/evidence, you've got something else to use!

Considerations for choosing the firearms would be:

- Reliability (essential);

- Fits all members of the family who might have to shoot it (it's no good your having a Desert Eagle in .44 Magnum if your petite wife can't get her hands round the grip! :D );

- Availability of ammo and spare parts in your area;

- Availability of spare feeding devices (speedloaders or magazines) - a gun with one or two is not well equipped, and you should have half-a-dozen spares per handgun and two to three per long gun.

As for ammunition, I recommend keeping a six months' to one years' supply of what you'll need. For the handgun, rifle and shotgun, this can be 100-200 rounds: for the .22's (given that they'll be used for a lot of practice) I'd suggest 5,000 rounds.

duckfoot
March 17, 2004, 02:06 AM
Must have in every home:

Revolver- 38/357mag

Lever rifle- 30-30/45-70gov

Shotgun- Pump/SxS- 20ga/12ga

.22lr Bolt rifle


Good to have:

Auto pistol- 45acp

Auto rifle- 5.56x45/7.62x39/7.62x51

Auto shotgun- 20ga/12ga


Then add:
lots "O" ammo, lots "O" mags

the first list doesn't need external mags to shoot lots of ammo

the second list won't work right with out mags

(its the whole "more moving parts" thing)

Josey
March 17, 2004, 02:08 AM
I agree so far as it goes. I think everybody MUST have a big 44 single action myself. Ruger. Reliable. Unfashionable. Great choices. Ergonomic. Roar of a 44. Ruger.

Chuck Jennings
March 17, 2004, 02:14 AM
Minimum IMHO:


Revolvers: One .22, One 357
Pistol: 1911, glock, mark II
A Bolt action with good glass in a versatile caliber
A Garand
An SKS
A good lever action. (30-30 .45-70)
Pump Shotty with various barrels
O/U shotty
At least one EBR
A .22 single six
A pocket pistol


Don't forget to train!!! :D

cool45auto
March 17, 2004, 07:02 AM
A Beretta, a 1911, a good revolver and at least an SKS.

lycanthrope
March 17, 2004, 08:44 AM
One 1911 in .45 ACP

One assault rifle or battle rifle

One 12 or 20 gauge shotgun

One high power rifle (30-06 or hotter - sometimes you need "the juice" to stop lareg animals)

One .22 rifle

CAPTAIN MIKE
March 17, 2004, 08:45 AM
Every home needs a SHOTGUN with 00 Buck. It is effective, it is powerful and it can be rapidly deployed.

While it's true that additional firearms (rifle / sidearm) can be helpful and accurate in a Home Defense situation, the Shotgun is probably the most practical if one had to "choose" between firearms specifically for home defense.

That said, it should have a Surefire Forend, Ghost Ring sights, etc. and the family members deploying the shotgun all need safety and use training so that it is capable of actual use by someone who knows what they're doing.

Brian Williams
March 17, 2004, 09:05 AM
Minimum
a Self Defence handgun
a Bird hunting gun
a Deer rifle


Here is what I feel should be a good general collection of handguns with what I have
Mouse gun -------------- some little 25 auto.
22lr Revo/auto --------- Ruger Singlesix & MkII comp target
Snubbie ----------------- S&W 940
Kit gun -------------------S&W 60
Combat Revo ----------- S&W 13
Target/Range Revo --- S&W K38
1911 --------------------- Sistema Colt
WonderNine------------- Glock 19
Target/Range Auto -----?????????
Large bore DA --------- S&W mod 27-2 for now, I want a S&W 58 someday
Large bore SA ----------- not yet but? Ruger Blackhawk 45 conv

Shotguns should have
a great pump gun------- Mod 1300
an O/U or SxS ----------- Not yet

Rifles
Very accurate large game rifle -------- Win 70 compact in 7mm-08
Very accurate 22lr
AR
Battlerifle

Lennyjoe
March 17, 2004, 09:06 AM
Looks like the only thing Im missing is an SKS.

Hmm, I even have a C&R license. What the heck am I waiting for>:confused: :D

Hutch
March 17, 2004, 10:17 AM
While I think Mel Tappan was way too opinionated, I did take some note of what he wrote in Survival Guns. My take on what is needed follows:

.22 rifle small-game getter/plinker/trainer. Ruger 10/22.

12ga pump shotgun w/ both a short, rifle sighted "deer" bbl and a long bbl w/ choke tubes. Remington 870

Scoped centerfire sporter suitable for hunting the biggest game in your area. For most folks, a .308 would be fine. Remington 700.

Pocket handgun for "always" use. I prefer a J-frame S&W .38

Full-sized adjustable-sight field revolver, preferrably in stainless. Depending on the part of the country you live, either S&W 66, or 629

A full-sized service autopistol. 1911, Glock, CZ, Beretta, Sig, whatever.

Anything after that would be nice, but gravy. Note that this doesn't really address any specialized fun-'n-games guns, like Cowboy shooting, or benchrest, or sporting clays. It only addresses what a person MUST have in order to address the vicissitudes of life. I'd sell a kidney, if I had to, to make sure all the above were in the locker.

Black Snowman
March 17, 2004, 10:19 AM
Something old, something new, something wood, something tacticool ;)

Some pretty good suggestions so far. Here's how my collection has progressed.

Rem 11/87 Premiere
Ruger 10/22 - sold to brother
Glock 24P
Browning Model 84 single shot .03-06
Taurus 669, .357 Mag
Weatherby .340 Wby mag
Desert Eagle .50 AE
Century Arms R1A1
CZ 550 Varmit Laminated in .308
.44 Mag barrel for Desert Eagle
HK USP 40C - traded off
Bushmaster M17S
Colt Delta Elite
CZ 40B - selling to fund a RAMI purchase

geekWithA.45
March 17, 2004, 10:27 AM
I'm a minimalist:

Dead minimum:

2 handguns, appropriate for self defense (imo: 9mm, .38spc/.357 mag, .40, .45, 10mm)

1 mil pattern autoloader, in .308, 7.62x39, or .223 (preferred in that order)

1 other long gun:
- pump 12 guage
-another mil pattern autoloader
-Carbine "companion" to your handgun
-lever or boltie

500 "sacred stockpiled" rounds for each.


Anything else is gravy.

armoredman
March 17, 2004, 10:31 AM
I guess I am way out of touch, and doomed to be swept away into the dustbin of history....
One handgun - EAA Witness 40. Does eveything I want it to do.
One shotgun - Winchester 1200 pump - ditto above.
Two rifles, niether here yet, SKS and Mosin Nagant, cheap, reliable, plentiful ammo.
Have no desire for 1911, sorry guys, had a few, just don't like 'em that much.:(
Would like to add another handgun, preferably a CZ75, and a 10/22 carbine.
Hell, I'll be lcky if I can come up with the $60 for the Mosin!

Tamara
March 17, 2004, 10:39 AM
1 12-ga shotgun
1 .22 handgun
1 .22 long gun
1 centerfire semiauto long gun
1 centerfire scoped long gun
1 medium or large frame magnum revolver
1 CCW-able centerfire handgun

Baba Louie
March 17, 2004, 10:42 AM
Well, let's see.

Since I'm from America, United States of, I'd say...
ya gotta have a .30-30
and since this here's America, ya gotta have a .22
and since this here's America, ya gotta have a .30-06
and since this here's America, ya gotta have a .45
and since this here's America, ya gotta have a .38/.357
and since this here's America, ya gotta have a .44
and since this here's America, ya gotta have a smokepole
and since this here's America, ya gotta have something with acp after the caliber designator

And since we all come from somewhere else, ya gotta have a 9MM
and since we all come from somewhere else, ya gotta have a fowling piece

And since ya oughta own something by the oldest gun mfg in the world, ya gotta have a Beretta or two.

And since ya gotta have one or more of the above, ya gotta make sure that ya got a revolver, a lever action, a semi-auto and a turnbolt, a slide action, maybe a falling block or a trap-door or a side by side, too. Single shots are good too.

And because it cheeses off our elected politicians so much, ya gotta have something that uses a standard capacity (more than 10 rounds) detachable magazine and a bayonet lug.

And since ya love firearms, ya gotta have something designed by John Moses, Sam, Horace and Daniel and maybe Eli (I was thinking Rem but it could be Whitney) and Eugene. (I'd add Oliver, but he wasn't really a designer type). Don't forget Paul and Georg if you're thinking along European lines.

I know I left out a few, but we are talking about bare bones minimum here, right?

Now, if I was European or Canadian or from Down Under or Russia or China, it'd be a whole 'nuther ball o' wax. But since those guys sometimes spell their names funny and use really wierd caliber designations, I won't go there... yet.

NoHarmNoFAL
March 17, 2004, 12:36 PM
For the economically challenged:

Bulg. Makarov $150.00
1000 95gr hp $110.00
Romanian Training Rifle M69 (I think) $75.00
1000 Win. Wildcats $18.00
Mosin Nagant $100.00
800 7.62x54 Czech Silver Tip $75.00
----------
$528.00

Double Maduro
March 17, 2004, 12:54 PM
The absolute minimum:

SD handgun (depending on your size and preferrance- Ruger P90, Makarov, .38spl/,357 revo)

.22 Rifle bolt action or semi auto

12 ga pump shotgun


If I would ad one more it would be a .22 pistol for cheap practice and fun.

DM

Eskimo Jim
March 17, 2004, 01:07 PM
I'm with Preacherman on this one.

I like to go with high quality firearms so no Jennings etc on my list. Here's my opinion which is probably worth what you paid for it:

*Handguns:
S&W 686 4" 38special/357 magnum or a S&W 66
S&W 17/18/617 22lr for small game and practice

or

*Ruger Mk II 22lr self loader
1911 design or quality 9mm/40cal

Long arms:
*Pump Shotgun 12 guage: Mossberg 500, Winchester 1200 or Remington 870 make sure it comes with screw in chokes and the slug barrel

*Bolt action Rifle or Lever action rifle:
Savage, Ruger, Winchester, marlin or Remington in a common caliber 308 or 30-06

Self loading military type rifle
M1 Garand, M1A, AR15, AK-47 clone, SKS, FN-FAL

*Some sort of 22lr rifle, bolt, lever or semi doesn't matter. I'd suggest a savage, marlin, ruger etc. Preferably one that is an understudy for the centerfire rifle above.

The * is for bare minimums. Take your choice in handguns.

I'd prefer Iron sights on all long arms and handguns with the option of putting a quality scope on them. If the scope got damaged, I'd like to be able to go back to Iron sights.

Luxuries:
A long arm and a handgun for each person in the family and possibly a Back up gun too.

Maybe some sort of carbine like the Marlin Camp Carbine, M1 Carbine or something like that.

Back Up Gun: S&W J frame, K frame or Ruger SP101 snubbies or a Baby Glock, etc.

I think that the above firearms will cover just about any situation you have from informal target practice and instruction, up to hunting game and birds, as well as concealed carry and self defense.

-Jim

MeekandMild
March 17, 2004, 01:07 PM
IMHO everyone should have a .22 pistol and a centerfire rifle in the .243 to 30-06 caliber range.

A voucher for their purchase should be issued by the public schools as part of a civilian marksmanship program and their proficiency should be a requirement for graduation from the eighth grade. They might as well teach something useful.

Everything else is gravy.

azrael
March 17, 2004, 01:11 PM
what should everyone have?? A POCKET HOLSTER MADE BY ME!!!!:D :D :neener:

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa

Ok back to business:
you should have....
a .22lr pistol
a 1911 .45
a m1a .308
a .223 semi
a ak-47 or clone
a saiga 12 or 20 gauge shotty
a .22 lr rifle
a .32acp or .380 Bug

1 custom pistol or rifle or both

Ktulu
March 17, 2004, 01:21 PM
Every freedom loving American should have at least one AR-15.

Chupacabra
March 17, 2004, 01:29 PM
1. Semi-auto or revolver in any caliber from .38sp on up

2. .22LR bolt action rifle with scope

3. Bolt action or semi-auto rifle in .223, .308, or 30-06 with scope (or any other standard rifle caliber)

4. 12-guage pump or double-barrelled shotgun

Everything else is, as they say, gravy.

:D

spacemanspiff
March 17, 2004, 01:51 PM
i wonder how many people tamaras collection would cover?

OEF_VET
March 17, 2004, 03:36 PM
ditto what Tamara said.

igor
March 17, 2004, 03:56 PM
Any firearm or even an air rifle. Why :confused:

What everyone needs right now is the skill. Specific equipment can be acquired according to the situation at hand.

Series 70
March 17, 2004, 04:30 PM
Eskimo Jim:

Luxuries:
A long arm and a handgun for each person in the family and possibly a Back up gun too.


I consider a sidearm per person to be essential. I'd go so far as to say it should be of major caliber, assuming the person is capable of controlling it.

Additionally, the household should have the aforementioned:

12 gauge
.22 pistol
.22 rifle
general-purpose rifle

frenchwrench
March 17, 2004, 05:33 PM
We don't have a sidearm for every person in our family,but everyone knows how to handle every weapon we have:

Winchester Mod 12
Winchester Mod 70 30.06 scoped
Winchester Defender 12
Stevens 16
Glock 23&27
S&W 45ACP
S&W 38 snub
1911

Practice every summer out in Colorado with all weapons,and they all enjoy it.
;)

nhhillbilly
March 17, 2004, 06:18 PM
Every responsible person should own at least one Home Defense (Battle Rifle or carbine) we have .223 or 30 carbine or 308 for each member of the family. They all have at least one self-defense handgun 9mm or 38 special or greater. Everyone has attended at lease NRA basic rifle and basic Handgun course. Min of 500 rounds of ammo for each defensive firearm. There is a home defense shotgun but we live in the country and the rifle is much more practical.



from Jeff Cooper, When one has a rifle one turns from a subject to a citizen.

Vern Humphrey
March 17, 2004, 06:45 PM
There are four serious handgun cartridges:

.22 Long Rifle -- everyone has to have a .22 pistol, for practice, targets, plinking, and hunting.

.38/357 -- these are really the same cartridge, since most .357s shoot .38s very nicely. This is perhaps the most versatile handgun ever developed.

.45 ACP -- THE defensive handgun cartridge.

.45 Colt -- properly loaded in the right gun (like a Ruger Blackhawk) it is fully the equal of the .44 Magnum

You need three rifles:

.22 Long Rifle -- same reason as you need a .22 pistol.

A "varmit" rifle -- from .22 Hornet to .223 Remington. If you are a serious varmit hunter, you probably want a "heavy" varmit rifle in a hotter cartridge.

A high-power rifle -- As Townsend Whelen used to say, "The .30-06 is never a mistake."

You need one shotgun -- a 12 gauge pump with screw-in chokes.

If you're into various games and sports, you'll need guns tailored to those games -- but the 8 I've listed here will do 99% of whatever needs to be done.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.:neener:

fix
March 17, 2004, 06:46 PM
[requirement]--[example]

Rifle -- Scoped bolt action .308 or 30-06
Carbine -- 16" AR or AK
Shotgun -- Slide action 12ga
Service Pistol -- 1911 in .45ACP or S&W L-Frame in .357 Magnum
Never without it -- J-Frame
Grocery gitter -- Accurate .22 pistol
Long range grocery gitter -- Accurate .22 rifle

Kaylee
March 17, 2004, 07:55 PM
Something old, something new, something wood, something tacticool :D I like!

My take as a bare minimum to fulfill one's obligations to self and community...

* one totable handgun for self defense
* one "citizen" rifle.. ideally the issue longarm of your nation

Thus, you preserve the security of a free society, and you're at least helping to keep crime under control by not being a victim. That's the baseline.


As a "good sense" minimum:
* a .22 rifle and a .22 pistol for practice and fun
* Larger "housegun" weapon -- carbine, shottie, whatever floats your boat.
* Some scoped centerfire rifle

As a "have to at least experience to call yourself an American:"
* .30-.30 lever carbine, preferably a Win 94
* SAA style revolver
* 1911 style pistol
* One US service longarm or clone -- anything from a Charleville to an M4, as the spirit moves you. Springfield 1903 is good. M1 is classic. :)

Ky Larry
March 17, 2004, 08:17 PM
1. Battle rifle (AK, AR, M1, etc)
2. 12 Gauge pump shotgun
3. Combat pistol (1911, CZ, Beretta, etc)
4. CCW pistol (Khar,CZ, SIG, etc)
5. Muzzle loader rifle
6. .22 rifle
7. .22 pistol
8 Scoped .30-06 bolt rifle
9. At least 5000 rounds for all the above
10 Reloading equipment and components for above

SaintDavid
March 17, 2004, 11:49 PM
In my opinion every house "needs" a small cal. pistol and rifle .22 is a good generality here. A highpower rilfe, if only one i vote 308. A fullpower hand gun, at least 9mm or .38. And a shotgun. The make, type, action, should be comfortable and useable by all responsible members of the household. And that assortment should cover most situations from practice, small game pot filling, and defense.

artherd
March 18, 2004, 02:11 PM
1) a reliable self-defense pistol (Glock, 1911, SIG many good ones out there.)

2) A Select-fire Colt M4

3) KAC SR-25 or Armalite AR-10 in .308 (scoped)

4) .338 Lapua Magnum bolt action or repeater. (scoped)

3) GE GAU-17 Gatling Cannon. (optionally gimbal mounted and slaved.)

4) GAU-8/A 30mm Gatling Cannon (optionally A-10 mounted)

4) F-18 with AMRAMs

5) F-18 or hielo with HELLFIRES

Hey, you asked.

kfranz
March 18, 2004, 02:34 PM
M44's are $25 this month at Century. Fair condition with cracked stock, not pretty, but you said "Need". x54 ammo is cheap and plentiful. Next on the cheap list would be a Yugo M48, at around $60. Other than .22, 8mm ammo is about as cheap as you'll ever see. SKS's are under $100, and again, ammo is cheap. The M69 .22 trainer, at ~$50 is tough to beat.

Shotguns and pistols are nice, and would fit into the "should have" list, but should life ever depend on gathering game to eat, you are much better off trapping than hunting...

RepublicanMan
March 18, 2004, 04:22 PM
Must have, no matter what, an SKS of some type and pistol of quality such as Colt, Sig, Beretta, HK or if you prefer a revolver, a Smith.

My collection (not complete)
Chicom SKS
Colt AR-15
Cetme Sporter
Sig P232
Colt Combat Commander .38 Super
Colt Buntline Scout
And as of this coming Saturday, Glock G30

MicroBalrog
March 18, 2004, 04:52 PM
Minimum:

A semi-auto handgun (preferably hi-capacity).

A self-loading or select-fire rifle.

Richardson
March 18, 2004, 05:09 PM
ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY:
One concealable handgun (.38 spcl or larger)
One .40+ cal defensive handgun
One .30 cal. semi-automatic cal rifle (w/20 rnd magazines)

DESIRABLE SECONDS:

One .22lr pistol

One .22lr Rifle (preferably scoped)

One .30 cal. bolt-action rifle (.308 or larger)

One shotgun (field barrel, optional shorter barrel).

One carbine length rifle, (SAR-1 would be perfect)

One .30 cal. sub-MOA scoped rifle.


Richardson

PALEFACE
March 18, 2004, 05:40 PM
this is what i have. cz75b for the car and night stand, G23 for ccw(soon to be a czP-01) hkusp40cmpct for back up, yugo sks for misc use, a 22cal kadet kit for traing, mosin nagant for ?????s and giggles and the shotgun will be here soon.:D

Hardtarget
March 18, 2004, 08:17 PM
I've been at minimum long enough...pass the gravey, please.
Mark

Jeff
March 23, 2004, 11:52 PM
Everyone should own:

Handguns

H&K USP .45
S&W 586 6" .357
Ruger Mark II Gov't target .22, bull barrel

Rifles

Ruger 10/22
old lever action Marlin .32 special (same as .30-30)

Shotguns

Remington 1100 12
old Stevens pump 12


Oh wait, that's what I have. :D


I need more guns.

Glockfan.45
October 12, 2006, 08:58 PM
I love to breath new life into old threads :D . Heres my list of must haves.

1.) A pistol in a serious caliber (.45, .40S&W, etc) must be reliable Glock, Sig, 1911. My pick the Glock 21 followed by a good 1911 in second.

2.) One battle rifle AR, AK, SKS, FAL are all acceptable. My pick the AK.

3.) One shotgun. Remmington 870, Mossy 500, etc must be 12 gauge ideal would be chambered in 3 1/2" mag (so any loads could be used). Two barrels one slug, one shot. My choice is the good old 870.

4.) A good bolt action fitted with a good scope, Remmington 700 is my pick.

5.) A .22lr rifle of some sort I pick the Ruger 10/22.

Having one of these from the above list should cover any situation.

Mr White
October 12, 2006, 09:52 PM
Since I'm a noob here, I'll add my $.02...

A legendary poster on another board put it best when he said
"All you really need is a FAL Paratrooper and a Hi Power. Everything else is just fluff"

Don't know that I agree but I liked the answer.

IMO the must haves are a pump shotgun, a .22 rifle, a good quality defensive handgun (1911, HP, SIG, GLOCK, XD, ...), a scoped rifle in 6-8 mm cal, some type of MBR (M1A, FAL, AK, G3, AR), an SKS, a match grade AR and a Garand. OK, The last 2 are just MY must haves. A pistol cal carbine isn't necessarily a must have but it'd sure come in handy for home defense or SHTF. It'd be a good gun for the kids to carry.

**Edit**
OK, After posting this, I read Glockfan.45's post, and what Iposted is pretty much the same. Sorry. Didn't mean to make this a 'me too' post.

DRMMR02
October 12, 2006, 09:57 PM
Keeping in line with what I think is the intent of the OP, I think the only thing really NEEDED is a concealable handgun in .38 or higher. This can be used anywhere and also for HD. And in close second, a 12ga shotgun also for HD. A lot of guns listed in this thread may be fun. but not needed. Defense of life is the only need.

Now for actual recreational use, I'm gonna say in addition to the carry handgun and shotgun mentioned above, everyone should have a 1911, and a .22 for target/plinking.

xd9fan
October 12, 2006, 10:27 PM
1 12-ga shotgun
1 .22 handgun
1 .22 long gun
1 centerfire semiauto long gun
1 centerfire scoped long gun
1 medium or large frame magnum revolver
1 CCW-able centerfire handgun


Tamera's list is perfect for every citizen!!

Hogfan1911
October 12, 2006, 11:08 PM
Honestly, just about every firearms-related need could be filled with the following: .22lr rifle (any action type), scoped bolt-action in .30-06, 12 ga pump, and medium-frame 4" .357 mag revolver. But isn't it so much more fun to have one gun for each specific need, no matter how remote? I'm working on it.....:D

10-Ring
October 12, 2006, 11:13 PM
Must haves huh...
1911
357 magnum wheelgun
22lr long gun
22 wheelgun
12 shotgun
bolt action 300 win mag

Honorable mention: battle rifle of some kind - 223 or 308

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