Value of Pre 64 M70


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3212
May 7, 2013, 08:23 AM
What is the value of a 1958 Win. model 70,.243 caliber in average condition?Some hunting scars on the wood,shoots 1 1/2" groups at 100 yds.

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highpower
May 7, 2013, 08:42 AM
If it hasn't had the stock cut for a recoil pad, I would say that it should be worth $500-550. At least that is what I would pay if I was looking for one in .243.

I paid $500 for this '57 Featherweight in .30-06 with a period 6X Kollmorgan scope. The stock was cut and it shows a lot of hunting wear. It does shoot 1" groups at 100 yards.
http://highpower.smugmug.com/Firearms/Winchester-M70/i-QVZmjgt/0/XL/IMG_1921-XL.jpg

Savage99
May 7, 2013, 10:32 AM
The old M70's in standard calibers like 243 were heavy rifles.

That's why I never bought one when they made them nor do I have one.

Something is not right with a standard grade 243 that shoots only 1 1/2" groups at 100 yds. Of course those could be with poor ammo, a loose or defective scope, 10 shot groups, or poor shooting, lots of wind etc.

If the butt plate and LOP are original and the guard screws are not messed up offer $550 for it as I think I could get it shooting better than that.

Southside830
May 7, 2013, 11:40 AM
Condition is everything. Pristine examples go for 1000$ plus. A nice used example with some wear would be 5-700$. People usually ask too much for them and they do not sell.

3212
May 7, 2013, 11:41 AM
Its all original.The 1 1/2" groups are due to the operator(me).I have shot 3/4" groups but not consistently.I am the third owner,got it in '91.Took more than 40 deer with it.The other guys used it for groundhogs.It is heavy but is steady for offhand shots I have made on deer drives.It has the red factory butt pad.

jmr40
May 7, 2013, 12:32 PM
Rifles made prior to WW-2, or in rare configurations or calibers are the only pre-64's that really command any collector interest. A 243 would bring a little more than a 30-06 everything being equal. You might get $600-$650 for it to the right buyer.

From 1964-1994 any pre-64 sold at a premium because it was the only option for CRF. Now that Winchester has brought back CRF the prices on common pre-64's has dropped. You can buy a brand new 70 that is far better than a pre-64 now for around $700-$750. That makes it hard to sell one for much more than $500-$600 to anyone who keeps up with prices.

There are lots of guys out there who still think any pre-64 is a collectors item and will sometimes pay a premium for them. That is why you often see them priced so high.

3212
May 7, 2013, 12:54 PM
Thanks for clarifying.I paid $400 for it in '91.It will probably go to the grandsons along with a Ruger in .243.It seems the 2 rifles are about equal in value.

sage5907
May 7, 2013, 01:05 PM
You didn't say whether it is a standard grade or featherweight. A featherweight 243 would probably bring more money than a standard grade. Some of the guys on here talk down the value of the pre 64's, for whatever reason, and you can see examples posted on this thread. Strange as it may seem the most value of you rifle could be to take it apart and sell the individual pieces like a salvage yard sells car parts. The magazine box, follower, spring, extractor ring and extractor will bring $200 easily. The bolt and receiver in very good condition will bring $600. A steel floorplate and trigger guard in good condition will bring over $100. It all depends on the condition of the metal. Sometimes an old rifle with a beat up stock will have near perfect metal.

3212
May 7, 2013, 01:50 PM
I think its standard grade.With scope its over 9 lbs.The fore end had been rested on branches and logs or fence posts in hunting situations and rubbed the finish.Also the stock has some light scratches.Also,my definition of a group is center to center of the two widest spread holes in a three shot group.I believe minute of angle is measured differently.

sage5907
May 7, 2013, 02:20 PM
3212, if there is a bulge under the rear sight it is a standard grade. A featherweight will say Winchester Model 70 Featherweight on the side of the barrel where the cartridge is listed. About 80 percent of the value of your rifle is in the metal. As a hunting rifle I wouldn't get too excited about a few scratches on the stock. Where I live it takes a pre 64 Model 70 in really poor condition to sell for less than $600. A rifle chambered in 308 Winchester will sell for about $200 more than a 30-06. A rifle chambered in 270 Winchester will sell for about $100 more than an 30-06.

3212
May 7, 2013, 02:24 PM
Its not a featherweight.

adelbridge
May 7, 2013, 02:49 PM
i would think more like $700-$800 range if what retail would be. Put it up on gunbroker and I am guessing you will get $750 within a week.

sage5907
May 7, 2013, 03:41 PM
I think giving the Model 70 to a grandson is a great idea, assuming you have one that will keep it in the family. There were only 581,471 Pre 64 Model 70 rifles made and only 6,812 of them were standard grade 243 Winchesters. That shows the uniqueness of your rifle. They also made 24,707 featherweight 243 Winchesters. Finding a rifle in excellent condition is getting harder and harded to do and the prices keep going up. Most of the time they sell for more money than a new Model 70. The other guys keep talking about "shooter" rifles as if there is something wrong with them. They are what I look for because I am not a Model 70 collector and I don't like one without a recoil pad. I think adelbridge has a good handle on the value, save it for your favorite grandson.

3212
May 7, 2013, 03:42 PM
Well, I paid $700 for a new Ruger M70 Mark II stainless,laminated,scope,.243 6 years ago.I think I'll let the two grandsons choose their rifles when the time comes.Neither one has much recoil but they really put the deer down.Plus I can put 20 rounds through them at the range wearing a t-shirt and no sore shoulder.

sage5907
May 7, 2013, 03:53 PM
Ask suttle questions and find out which one wants the Winchester, then designate a particular rifle for each grandson. That way they will be mad at you and not at each other. You won't know the difference later and you'll pass on with happy thoughts!

3212
May 7, 2013, 05:02 PM
Yes,that's my issue.I think I will specify that if one rifle is worth more at the time the difference will be given in cash to the child who gets the lower value gun.But values flucuate over time and maybe some sentimental value.There is only so much you can do anticipating the future.My son-in-law(their father)is an experienced dealer in various commodities,hopefully they will have the benefit of his advise.They are 12 and 10 years old and proficient with .22's.

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