Take this thing, I can't figure out the problem (picture warning)


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MilsurpShooter
May 7, 2013, 11:22 PM
Well, another gun came home with me today. Think this makes number... 5 or 6 that have been given to me by friends and friends of friends who just don't want to deal with them anymore. Last ones that came home with me in that way were a Marlin 336 in .35 Remington, Ithaca Lever Action .22 and a Savage Model 7 Semi-Auto .22

I'm not complaining mind you, not at all. But Now the problems of the guns fall on me and I'm the type who loses sleep over certain things if I don't know why they don't work right. And this gun, well it's looking like one of the more complicated guns I've gotten my hands of (my experience isn't all that vast though, MilSurp bolt actions, some .22 lever guns primarily.

But I bring forth pictures of my New (to me) Rossi 92
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk277/Teutonic_Knight_Funnay/Stuff/DSC00358_zps58ea19d5.jpg~original

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk277/Teutonic_Knight_Funnay/Stuff/DSC00360_zps4c5db0c8.jpg~original

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk277/Teutonic_Knight_Funnay/Stuff/DSC00354_zps0361e1c0.jpg~original

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk277/Teutonic_Knight_Funnay/Stuff/DSC00363_zps3f3846dc.jpg~original

I Believe it's a 357/38 caliber, no real barrel markings to go by and it's too late to start tearing down and measuring. I've browsed the web for replacement parts:

Front Barrel Band Screw is missing
Saddle ring missing

But the real issue with this thing is the action. In the above pictures that's as far closed as I can make the lever. don't know if the lever itself might be bent or not. From the top it looks like it's locked up properly but the action is extremely stiff, feels like it's out of time almost, trying to close before other parts are clear.

All in all she's going to be a fun project gun once I figure it all out, tear it down and get to looking at the wear marks and the actual action. Have found some good information on these and there's just an overall feel of... Nostalgia to the gun.

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jpwilly
May 7, 2013, 11:35 PM
So you have people just giving you guns? Wow! Anyway, I'm sure once you take it apart you'll find the issue. Could be the ejector or something keeping it from caming over all the way. For sure wouldn't shoot it like that.

ID-shooting
May 8, 2013, 12:11 AM
Head over to Numrich for an exploded view. Gently take it apart snapping many pictures along the way. Clean it, inspect for obviously broken parts. Reassemble.

Fishbed77
May 8, 2013, 12:38 AM
So you have people just giving you guns? Wow!

My brother has had two guns given to him in the last year.

He must be more likable than me.

gotboostvr
May 8, 2013, 12:43 AM
looks like the missing screws are from a peep sight, probably something like a Williams.

Even if it wasn't, and is a missing saddle ring, I'd just throw a peep sight on it anyways, but I love me some peep sights.

Goody3086
May 8, 2013, 07:06 AM
Here is a site that will give good instructions about the gun.

http://marauder.homestead.com/Rifles.html

These folks may be able to help with parts.

http://www.mmgunsmithing.com/

http://stevesgunz.com/

Hokkmike
May 8, 2013, 07:11 AM
Giving away guns? I need to hang out with your crowd!

Carl N. Brown
May 8, 2013, 07:28 AM
My Rossi Puma 92 (commercial) in .357/.38 is well marked and marked with caliber on the barrel.

Rossi has made Pumas for years. Some Pumas were made for Latin American police departments in .38 special. I have never seen one of those and do not know how they were marked. Different importers have handled Pumas over the years including recently Legacy Sports before they switched to Chiappa. I'll bet each production lot gets marked differently according to the request of the importer, agency or other buyer.

At least yours does not have the annoying firing pin block safety on top of the bolt. (OK, the firing pin block does give a little peace of mind when emptying the magazine of live rounds by cycling the action.)

BTW. The holes appear to be right position for a saddle ring, but too low for a Williams Foolproof peep sight (both my Marlins came factory drilled'n'tapped for the Williams.) Doesn't preclude a different style of peep sight though.

MilsurpShooter
May 8, 2013, 04:00 PM
hmm let's see, in my collection...
Marlin 336 (Lost extractor and replace), Savage 7 (wouldn't feed, was wrong magazine), Ithaca Saddle Gun, Ithaca Wingmaster (Missing front bead that I still haven't found a replacement for) and a wall mounted gun rack given to me by a family friend (Uncle's Boss) who was moving down south to retire and didn't want to lug them down south with him. He was trading in his 12 gauges for 9 irons.

Remington 511 Action was given to me by a co-worker who was cleaning her safe, found it in the back. Couldn't remember when she bought it, or why so figured I'd get more use out of it. Found the parts online and built it from the action up. Also gave me the scope on the Marlin in that picture up above. Old Weaver K4.

I've got some good friends lol. Need to buy another safe lol.

Anyway, appreciate the links and directions everyone, it will definitely help. And I hadn't thought about those holes being for a peep sight. I figured it was an older Model simply due to the lack of the firing pin safety, and all older models I've seen had that location as a saddle ring, but I could be wrong, will be definitely taking a closer look once I tear her down tonight. I'd hazard to say it's not for a peep though. Rear sight isn't the ladder sight that seems normal on these, it's a flip up that's sitting in the rear barrel dovetail. However it could be aftermarket and flip down due to the peep sight? I dunno, gotta look into it some more.

BCRider
May 8, 2013, 06:49 PM
The ejector on the Win '92 has a lot of fiddly small parts that if they get out of position or are put together wrong would quite possibly result in your lever not being able to close completely as you show. Don't force it though. Use the instructions from the links in Goody's post to carefully take things apart and take notes or pictures as you go. It's very easy to flip parts around and then wonder why it won't go together again.

More than likely you'll want to rely on the online assembly instructions for around the ejector that mounts to the bolt. The spring and that little collar can be a right PITA. You'll need to develop a few tricks to aid on putting it all together. One in particular is a good one. It involved levering the ejector into place with an empty caseing in the bolt face. Then while holding it all together slide the works into the receiver and engage the casing in the chamber. Then you can let it all go safely and work at correctly putting the lever and lever to bolt pin in place.

This'll all sound like Greek at the moment. But once you've got the stuff in your hand and read it again it should make sense.

The wood on your Rossi is particularly sweet looking. If you do some of the slicking up work or get it done by a smith to smoothen things out you'll have one VERY slick handling lever gun.

As the others have mentioned my barrel has very clearly stamped maker's and caliber information. I'm a little shocked that your gun doesn't have that. A possible re-barrel job from some time in the past? But even then any decent smith would at least stamp the caliber in the barrel.

MilsurpShooter
May 16, 2013, 10:33 PM
Well I broke it down, came apart great but holy crap is re-assembly proving to be difficult.

Got pretty much everything back together but for the life of me I can't get the hammer to line up with the lower tang screw. Anyway. On disassembly I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary, except for the bolt and ejector.

Ejector is ungodly stiff, can't even push the bolt completely closed with my thumb. Can't get the entire ejector flush with the bolt head with moderate force either.

But I don't know if this is normal for the rifle or not. Never worked on one or seen another to compare. But, diassembly was relatively straight forward, lot's of parts but relatively easy to determine where and how they go... Stupid extractor collar not part of that group though lol.

Tried to get it back together but the spring and the hammer is proving to be a real bear of a problem. Get the spring in, can't line the hammer up with the Hammer/Lower Tang screw though. Tired from work, will probably mess with it more this weekend though. Pictures below of the bolt and such though, if anyone see's anything out of the ordinary that I missed. Small peen mark on the bolt, near ejector, don't know if that's supposed to be there.

And as always, I appreciate the heck out of the help everyone.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk277/Teutonic_Knight_Funnay/Stuff/DSC00372_zpsaafe2cb6.jpg~original
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk277/Teutonic_Knight_Funnay/Stuff/DSC00367_zps920a0d67.jpg~original
bolt and ejector, picture two showing the mark that looks a little out of place

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk277/Teutonic_Knight_Funnay/Stuff/DSC00368_zpsbb0114c3.jpg~original
Lever, doesn't look especially bent (Other option I was thinking might be the issue)

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