Carrying a maglite for self defense


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timbo
March 17, 2004, 05:11 AM
I'm curious as to anyone's opinions on carrying a 2D maglite in a back pocket for self defense from a legal standpoint. I only ask this because on occasion at school I've had to park off-campus due to a full parking lot, and I'll carry this until I get on campus. Once there I can just toss it in my backpack. Are there any LEO's that would hassle a guy that does this? Anyone hear of any other problems that people might have in regard to this?

I've also been thinking about getting a more compact flashlight for self-defense, to use the bright light as a deterrent. I don't need it for anything in particular, but could be handy. Any opinions on this?

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clubsoda22
March 17, 2004, 05:23 AM
I can assure you that parking on my campus is just as dangerous as yours. People get mugged and beaten all the time. Personally, i carry pepper spray (read my sig). my flashlight is a 2L streamlight, which is much smaller and brighter than a maglight. For defence, pepper spray to the face, boot to the groin, run.

Buy Fox Labs as there aren't any LEO's on this board willing to by me Vexor.

Stand_Watie
March 17, 2004, 06:59 AM
A mag-lite is illegal in most states if you carry it as a club. I don't know of anywhere that it is illegal to carry for illumination. Remember that and stick to your story.

How effective they are as a weapon depends on your strength and speed compared to your assailants, and what they are armed with. Enough police officers killed suspects with them to make some police departments switch styles of flashlights for liability concerns some years back.

Carlos Cabeza
March 17, 2004, 11:13 AM
Idea: Flashlight with OC spray built in ? :) Am I too late ?

Smoke
March 17, 2004, 11:25 AM
Asp makes a nice small OC spray that can double as a kubotan.
Small 2 AA cell maglite (Mini-mag) also makes a nice kubotan.

For a larger weapon I prefer the 3 C or D cell mags.

Get training which ever route you go. Don't bring a flashlight to a gun fight.

Smoke

Zach S
March 17, 2004, 11:27 AM
I keep a 6D in my car. If I ever need my flashlight, its right there between the bucket seats. In the 87 Dakota I had, it was mounted right under the back glass, at first on the plastic peice but the weight broke it, so I mounted it directly to the cab. I got the truck when I was 18 and drove it untill the second tranny died when I was 20 and the truck had about 200k miles. During that time, I had been stopped for driving without insurance (numerous times), improper equipment (had a few shorts, namely the passenger side headlight and turn signals, also numerous times), speeding (also, numerous times), and of course a few other violations on a few other occasions. All but a few of these were at night, and when I see blue lights, I turn my dome light on so the officer doesnt have to guess or wonder what he/she isnt seeing in a dark car. Useless info? Probably. However, only one officer questioned why I had a maglight that size. I told him I had owned several 2D and smaller flashlights, but kept losing them and never could find it when I needed it, so I got one that was almost impossable to lose. Then he mentioned the fact they make pretty good clubs, if the need arises, gave me a wink, and a my ticket, then sent me on my way.

Zach S
March 17, 2004, 11:30 AM
Idea: Flashlight with OC spray built in ? ;) Am I too late ? I've seen OC spray built into endcaps for maglights.

Drjones
March 17, 2004, 07:35 PM
1. Maglights are not bright enough to use as blinding tools. Get a real flashlight if that is your intent. Get a Surefire.

2. If you use it as an impact weapon (or even if you don't but the officer feels it could be used as such) you can and probably will get busted. You had better read your local laws VERY carefully. In CA, for example, carrying a baton or club of ANY sort (yes, a large flashlight would count) is a FELONY. CCW of a firearm w/o a permit is a misdemeanor, unless you have priors, in which case it would probably get bumped up to a felony.

3. If you are unwilling or unable for whatever reason to carry a firearm, I'd get pepper spray and a good knife, and most importantly, training. A quality, durable, reliable, and bright flashlight is an invaluable tool and will come in handy very often.

4. If you are THAT concerned for your safety, don't go there. Find someplace else to park. Avoidance is your first line of defense.

5. 12 or 6.

only1asterisk
March 17, 2004, 09:56 PM
A 3 C cell maglite is a good size flashlight. It is a good compromise between illumination and "illumination". It is good to know the law regarding the carry and use of weapons, I wouldn't chance a felony (happy I don't live in CA). Also, remember that anything useful is going to be a "weapon" after you use it. A metal flashlight is a highly defendable choice, just don't get carried away with size or scratch "Attitude Adjuster" on it or anything like that.



David

M1911Owner
March 17, 2004, 11:41 PM
If you study the specs on high-quality flashlight bulbs (say, Carley Lamps), you will discover that there is a big jump in brightness between two cells and three cells. You will also discover that C cells work just about as well as D cells for producing light--the D cells just last longer. So, a really good compromise between high light output on the one hand, and reasonable size and weight on the other hand, is a 3 C cell flashlight.

4v50 Gary
March 18, 2004, 12:51 AM
I know of no state that has outlawed the possession of a flashlight.

timbo
March 18, 2004, 01:11 AM
I'm not really afraid for my life where I park, and I'm not really a small guy either, but I would think that carrying a club-like flashlight would be a small precaution for what could happen. I doubt I could get a CCW in Los Angeles, and even with one I couldn't carry it on any public school campus. I also am not allowed any edged instrument on any public school campus. I have to have a professional reason to carry a knife, else it's a felony. I'm attending a California State University, but as a responsible adult I'm screwed when it comes to knives. I can't even get a straight answer on my 2 3/4" locking blade knife off campus. Some cops say it's a misdemeanor, some say that it isn't, and some say they wouldn't care if they caught me with one. Gotta love ambiguous laws that the cops can't understand. Don't get me wrong, I don't think cops are stupid, just the laws.

Me carrying a flashlight is nearly like carrying a gun. It isn't that I need it everywhere I go, but I feel a lot better having it with me. A Surefire or some other high-end flashlight would be nice to have, but then it isn't about need, it's about "being nice to have".

artherd
March 18, 2004, 01:33 AM
It's better than nothing, but no replacement for a .22 single-shot.

Remenber, it's there as a flashlight, not a club. (see CA comments above. It's better to pack a .45 in CA than a batton.)

Drjones
March 18, 2004, 03:35 AM
I can't even get a straight answer on my 2 3/4" locking blade knife off campus. Some cops say it's a misdemeanor, some say that it isn't, and some say they wouldn't care if they caught me with one. Gotta love ambiguous laws that the cops can't understand. Don't get me wrong, I don't think cops are stupid, just the laws.

Agreed, most cops aren't stupid, but many of them are frighteningly un- or mis-informed.

In CA, you can legally carry ANY size folding knife, so long as it is not carried with the blade locked open. You can also carry any size fixed blade so long as it is not carried concealed. Automatics are actually legal, provided their blade is 2" or shorter.

Obviously these STATE LAWS are some how superceded by brainless, leftist (oxymoron, I know) campus policies.

Do yourself a favor and find the actual text and section of the law, print it out and keep it in your wallet if you are that concerned about run-ins with the law.

An officer is going to have a hard time busting you for a law that you are very clearly NOT in violation of. :)

Me carrying a flashlight is nearly like carrying a gun. It isn't that I need it everywhere I go, but I feel a lot better having it with me. A Surefire or some other high-end flashlight would be nice to have, but then it isn't about need, it's about "being nice to have".

Well of course. You never know precisely when or if you'll ever need a gun, which is why most people here carry always, just like most people always wear their seatbelts when they drive; because they don't know when or if they will get into a collision.

And no, a quality flashlight is not "nice to have," it is a necessity, just like your wallet and a knife. My various flashlights that I've carried have come in handy more times than I can recall.

They've done everything from allowing me to get out of a darkened building to simply helping assure I and my friends don't fall down the stairs or trip on a dark, bumpy path. Remember the huge blackouts last summer? Do you know how many people would have given just about anything for even a single-LED keyring light?

Do you know that whatever flashlights (even keychain lights) that people did have on them proved to be literally lifesavers?

This last December I was in the Student union on campus, when, around 11pm, the lights went off and me and my study group were left in pitch darkness.

Then my SF L4 came out and made the night into day. :D :D :D

You can get a SF G2 for $30 or so. That is one of the best flashlights on the market at a price that pretty much anyone, even a college student, can afford. Be sure to get your batteries from SF, as they actually do have the best prices on those lithiums.

Though if you can, you really should spend the extra $100 or so for the L4. It is the last flashlight you will ever need to buy. :) :cool:

If you need more advice/guidance on flashlights, I'd be happy to help, or you can check out www.candlepowerforums.com They are the High Road of flashlights.

Moparmike
March 18, 2004, 04:37 AM
Get training which ever route you go. Don't bring a flashlight to a gun fight.Well, if it has enough power and a good lens, then its no longer a flashlight, its a "laser." I have yet to figure out how to attach it to a shark though, muchless how to conceal a shark. :p


Like others have said, carrying a mag lite for the express purpose of clubing is illegal. It would be looked at like an ASP. However, for illumination and it was handy at the time of attack... ;)

I want an ASP that doubles as a flashlight. :D

gunsmith
March 18, 2004, 04:42 AM
At work, due to dumb bosses I can carry a gun at work but no baton or pepper spray (armed security)
So I use a surefire to blind them and my 5cell to wack em if I need to.
The surefire came in handy last night I was walking the dog and another dog came running up barking at me in the middle of a dark park,I shined it in it's face and it went running the other way.

It's perfectly legal to carry a big flashlight even in CA,it's not legal to use it as a club,but if you used one as such in self defense I doubt anything would happen,provided you could articulate to a judge/jury that you had to use it or face death or mutilation.
a loaded handgun that you have bought in CA (registered) is a misdemeanor,a billy club is a felony...go figure:confused: :rolleyes:

Stand_Watie
March 18, 2004, 05:38 AM
However, only one officer questioned why I had a maglight that size. I told him I had owned several 2D and smaller flashlights, but kept losing them and never could find it when I needed it, so I got one that was almost impossable to lose. Then he mentioned the fact they make pretty good clubs, if the need arises, gave me a wink, and a my ticket, then sent me on my way.

Good answer. An anti-self-defense cop will get right in your face and threaten to take you to jail and imply that he won't if you "tell him the truth".

The truth is that it's for illumination, remember that and you won't have your own words used as the rope to hang you.

I keep a 3 cell in the car and it's really nice to have - if I have a fender bender on a dark evening I can politely exchange insurance info with the other driver without threatening him in anyway, yet if he were a hothead who just wanted to take a poke at me he might think twice - of course I don't expect to use it as a gun, but that's why God gave me two hands.

HankB
March 18, 2004, 07:58 AM
Firstly, as others have already noted: if questioned, you carry a flashlight for ILLUMINATION, not for clubbing. Make that your story, and stick to it.

Secondly, say you are attacked and DO club someone. If you're being assaulted, the odds are the BG knows there's no cop around to catch him for attacking you. Connect the dots . . . no cop to catch BG for attacking you, means there's no cop around to catch you for clubbing BG.

Duh. :rolleyes:

carpettbaggerr
March 18, 2004, 05:19 PM
For an ASP that doubles as a flashlight, all you need is one of these :

http://store1.yimg.com/I/urdefense_1784_2952160

remove the endcap, replace with the light. Voila. Uses watch batteries and LED bulbs. Pretty bright, and nobody looks at the baton twice. :D

culleniii
March 29, 2006, 12:17 AM
carpettbaggerr

was there a link to your posting for asp thing on this? wondered what your talking about

1911JMB
March 29, 2006, 12:30 AM
First of all, this belongs in the non-firearm weapons forum.

Anyway, heres a link with more info and pics about ASP's and lights that go with them:

http://www.selfdefenseproducts.com/batons.htm

xd9fan
March 29, 2006, 02:27 AM
6D in the truck!!!

NukemJim
March 29, 2006, 07:59 AM
Unless Vexor changed their policy again they are selling to nonLEOs, I bought one for my GF. :)

Check their site again. It was $40.00 for small canister :eek:

NukemJim

gezzer
March 29, 2006, 07:28 PM
Agreed, most cops aren't stupid, but many of them are frighteningly un- or mis-informed.


Can we say untrained? Or is it negligently untrained?

There is no reason for an officer to be un-or miss-informed. I feel if they are not trained properly in the law they are enforcing they should not be enforcing it. Simple as that.

ArmedBear
March 29, 2006, 07:52 PM
A couple things...

A bat in your car is a weapon. A bat with a ball and glove in your car are athletic equipment.

A flashlight is illumination. Keep it turned on. 2D isn't very long. Try 3C minimum.

ryan in maine
March 30, 2006, 03:18 AM
Carlos:
Yes sir, I'm afraid you are.

In fact, the company Tiger Light makes an absolutely fantastic flashlight with built-in OC spray.

http://www.tigerlight.net

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