What is the benifit of a 28 Gauge?


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ZVP
May 9, 2013, 01:51 PM
It is just barely a different size bore, so how much can you vary the shot l-ads that a 20 ga can't? The 20 has a WIDE range of Loadas and Dram equivilint powder loads.
I am returning to shotgunning, after a 38 year hiatius and though I am impressed in seeing the 16 hanging on and the 28 gaining popularity, I just wondered why? The 16 always was a good intermediate range gun!
Thanks
ZVP

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WoodchuckAssassin
May 9, 2013, 01:56 PM
Like a lot of calibers, some people like to own them just to be a little different. Does anyone gain anything by shooting a 28 over a 20 or 16? Well, like all guns, it depends on who's pulling the trigger.

JohnBT
May 9, 2013, 02:29 PM
The 28 is said to pattern better than the 20 because of the way the shot stacks in the hull. The terms to look for are balanced load or square load. The .410 patterns relatively poorly because the shot is really stacked up higher than it is wide in the hull.

Of course, there are differences between the older paper hulls and the new plastic ones with plastic wads.

Time to go get a haircut. Later.

John

rule303
May 9, 2013, 02:30 PM
A 28ga built on a true 28ga frame is lighter and handier than a 20, with nearly the same capability. It isn't too much bigger than a .410, but is a whole lot more capable for most shooters.

oneounceload
May 9, 2013, 02:31 PM
There is a definite COOL factor when you shoot a 28 and do better than folks with a 20 or 12 :D

A gun on a true 28 frame is smaller in size and lighter in weight - making all day carry a joy

There really isn't anything you can do with a 20 that you can't do with a 28, especially with some of the newer loadings

Besides skeet, small gauge sporting clays, you have an ideal bore size for quail, dove, chukar, pheasant over dogs, grouse and partridge.

You can carry a lot more shells in your pockets as well

Sauer Grapes
May 9, 2013, 09:16 PM
I love the 28ga. I think it's more the gun than the actual Gauge. Shooting the sub gauge events are just flat out fun.

Like oneounce said, with the shells available and loads you can develope, make it quite capable for most any hunting.

rcmodel
May 9, 2013, 09:40 PM
I have a few friends who outshoot me with a 28 while I am shooting a 20.

It's all a matter of skill.
They shoot 1,000 28 ga shells on blue-rock for every one of my 20's in the last several years.

But the Snob Factor among the 28 ga guys is way off the charts!!

rc

oneounceload
May 9, 2013, 09:43 PM
That's not Snob Factor RC, it is just pure JOY.
IMO, the 28 is THE best bore size for teaching new shooters, 50% more payload than a 410 helps ensure some success on targets without the recoil of bigger bore sizes.

Upland hunting with a scales 28 SxS round action like an AyA is just a great experience

rcmodel
May 9, 2013, 10:21 PM
That's not Snob Factor RC, it is just pure JOY.No, they are actually snobs if you aren't shooting a 28 and singing it's praises in tune with them! :D

rc

oneounceload
May 9, 2013, 10:36 PM
The same could also be said about Ruger, Glock, and Mossberg owners....! :D

bikemutt
May 9, 2013, 11:21 PM
My cousin convinced me to try 28 gauge for our South Dakota pheasant hunts, once I tried it, and watched just as many roosters fall from the sky, I was sold. Now him and his buddies all shoot Benelli semi-autos, I prefer my Browning Citori, either way, it's all good.

I sold all my other shotguns and now have just the 28 gauge.

Been quail hunting with it too and dropped more birds than I ever did with the 12 gauge.

There are times though, especially with the longer shots on wild roosters in CRP grass, on windy days, when the 12 gauge guys rule the shoot. Sometimes there is no substitute for a lot of lead in the air.

Captcurt
May 10, 2013, 08:29 AM
I took a young man out for his first shotgun session. We had a 12ga SKB 600, a Beretta BL3 20ga, and a Verona 501 in 28ga. It didn't take long to gravitate to the 28. Recoil after 50 rounds was getting uncomfortable. The little Verona was a pure pleasure to handle and shoot.

JohnBT
May 10, 2013, 09:02 AM
"But the Snob Factor among the 28 ga guys is way off the charts!!"

Just because people treat us like snobs doesn't mean we are.

Mobuck
May 10, 2013, 09:42 AM
Not so much difference in effect but there is some "coolness" factor and a slight weight reduction IF the 28 is built on it's own frame size.
I went from a 20 pump to a 12 pump to a 12 auto to a 12 SxS in the decades of quail/pheasant hunting I did. When the bird populations dropped and we hunted game farms, I went to a 28 SxS since the umph of the big gun wasn't needed for planted birds.
If economy is a factor, finding affordable 28 shells may be a challenge. I wouldn't(couldn't afford to) take a 28 to the dove field to blast 3-4 boxes of shells.

oneounceload
May 10, 2013, 10:53 AM
Well, you could afford it if you reload for it - 28 and 410 really benefit from reloading - and with some folks reloading the 28 with 5/8 oz for practice, the lead goes a loooong way, getting 640 rounds from a bag of shot

JohnBT
May 10, 2013, 11:52 AM
"3-4 boxes of shells"

I might still take 2 boxes - one for me and one for the other folks to try. I didn't say I wouldn't show it off, I just said I wasn't a snob. ;)

Captcurt
May 11, 2013, 06:45 PM
Well, you could afford it if you reload for it - 28 and 410 really benefit from reloading - and with some folks reloading the 28 with 5/8 oz for practice, the lead goes a loooong way, getting 640 rounds from a bag of shot
Big factor when shot sells for over $40 a bag.

Fred Fuller
May 12, 2013, 12:38 AM
What is the benifit of a 28 Gauge?

Almost no one wants to borrow shells from you... :D

oneounceload
May 12, 2013, 08:59 AM
OP - go here (http://28gasociety.46.forumer.com/index.php) and ask these folks - they'll fill you in

OilyPablo
May 12, 2013, 09:33 AM
Gee - thanks. Now I actually WANT a 28 Gauge!

Virginian
May 12, 2013, 04:18 PM
And they are the least likely of the six common gauges to have been "Bubbafied" into an assault shotgun.

oneounceload
May 12, 2013, 05:46 PM
^^^^ AMEN to that.........

JohnBT
May 12, 2013, 09:33 PM
What's the benefit? Walk in a gun store for the first time and buy a box of 28 ga. They will fall all over themselves showing you gun after gun because it's a sure sign you're a gun nut and only people with too much money buy factory ammo.

You can sell the box later if you don't actually own a 28.

It's sort of like borrowing a puppy to meet girls.

oneounceload
May 12, 2013, 10:59 PM
One of the best target guns I have ever shot belonged to a gun-writer friend of mine. He had this built, to his measurements, for Argentina dove shooting - it is a Perazzi MX-20/28 - a 28 gauge built on the heavier 20 gauge frame for high-volume shooting. Even with a 15"+ LOP. the way the stock is designed, it fits folks from 5'6" to guys my size - 6'3" . With its fixed .016 chokes (IM), it SMOKES targets at 45 yards with ease. It would make a great sporting gun, yet at 7.25#, isn't totally too heavy to carry hunting.

I would take one of those and this Beretta O/U I saw with double triggers that weighs 6# even for targets and birds and be quite happy with those two

au_prospector
May 13, 2013, 07:58 AM
When my father was alive, he was on blood thinners like coumadin/warfarin. The cancer was really wiping him out. He was shooting trap from a lawn chair. He decided he needed a lightweight, reduced recoil shotgun that wouldnt bruise him and bought a 28 gauge pump. I think he just wanted to add to his 870 wingmaster collection. When he passed, my brother got that 28 wingmaster, another brother got the 12 GA, and my son ended up with the 20 GA.

rodinal220
May 13, 2013, 01:19 PM
Perfect upland game shotgun if built on a proper 28 gauge size frame.

Sniper66
May 13, 2013, 01:26 PM
It may be the best quail load out there. Too bad there are no more quail in Kansas.

Virginian
May 13, 2013, 01:31 PM
Until you have shot a good 28 gauge SxS on a scaled frame, you have missed one of the great joys of a shooting life. If Dickinson comes out with a 28 I am all over it.

oneounceload
May 13, 2013, 01:35 PM
You and me both......I got rid of my 28's a few years ago, but if I can get a gun equal in quality to my S&W but in 28 gauge, I'm back in the 28 pool

clang
May 15, 2013, 08:34 PM
Shotgun Bore Diameter
10-Gauge = Bore Diameter of .775 inches
12-Gauge = Bore Diameter of .729 inches
16-Gauge = Bore Diameter of .662 inches
20-Gauge = Bore Diameter of .615 inches
28-Gauge = Bore Diameter of .550 inches
67-Gauge = Bore Diameter of .410 inches

There's only 0.065 inches difference between a 20 gage barrel and a 28 gauge barrel, that's just over 1/16th of an inch difference in diameter.


I've owned a few of 28 gauge doubles, including one of the Miruko Charles Daly's O/Us on a true 28 gauge frame. Sold them all off because I just did not see any benefit to them.

You can purchase 7/8th oz 20 gauge loads almost anywhere for $6-8/box, it's a whopping 1/8th oz more shot than the 3/4 oz 28 gauge load. You're splitting hairs pretty fine if you call that a significant difference and reloading costs are very similar.


The whole square load argument really doesn't matter much in the age of the full shot cup wad, at least not the differences we are talking about.

You can find 20 gauge shotguns that weight less than 6 lb, if carry weight is a factor, and 20 gauge guns are more readily available and usually more reasonably priced. More selection means a better chance to find one that fits you well.

If you don't already have a really nice 20 gauge gun, I recommend you pick one of them up instead. The 28 gauge is a niche gun that really doesn't do anything better than a 20 gauge does. (I know - sacrilege to some)


I happen to be a big fan of the 16 gauge shotguns, but I wouldn't recommend them to anyone either. It splits the difference between the 12 and 20 too close and there just isn't enough readily available guns in 16 gauge for many people to find one they would be happy with. Just try looking at the selection of 16 gauge O/Us out there and you will see what I mean. Unless you are looking for a custom gun ($$$$$) and want something "different" there is no reason to stray from the 12s and 20s.

Hansli
May 15, 2013, 09:32 PM
I owned a B Rizzini for a while. It was nimble, but recoil was still sharp. I reloaded for it and finally sold the gun and reloading equipment. I've settled on 7 lb 12 gauge guns with 7/8 loads as the line of perfection for me. If a guy reloads, you can make a 12 an effective go to platform with negligible kick.

Virginian
May 15, 2013, 10:00 PM
It's sort of like borrowing a puppy to meet girls.
I love that. Instant classic. I'm going to borrow it. Another reason I hadn't even thought of. C'mon Dickinson!

win71
May 15, 2013, 10:58 PM
For about the last 15-18 years I have hunted mostly pen raised pheasants over a GSP. Almost exclusively with either an AYA side lock sxs 20 ga. with fixed ic and mod chokes, or a Ruger red label 28 ga with screw in chokes. After several hunts with each I did quite a bit of pattern work. I knew my first shot would be close, 20 yards give or take, and the second would usually be in the 35-40 yard range.

1 oz. # 6's plated in the 20 ga. worked best. The 28 caused me more time and experimenting. Finally I settled on 3/4 oz # 6's in a skeet choke and 1 oz #6's out of a mod. choke.

Over the years with 30-40 pheasants average per year I saw very little advantage for either gun with one exception. For some as yet unidentified reason I kill longer distance birds better with the second shot in the 28 ga. than I do with the 20.

Even with that result I only favor the 28 if it is raining. Not because it has any advantage, I just can't beat up that AYA.
For clarity, I only hunt birds with these two guns. Mostly pheasants, second…Quail, chucker’s, and grouse. I do not shoot sporting clays or any other targets.

And, I'm more of a snob with the AYA than I am with the Ruger 28 ga............................

JohnBT
May 16, 2013, 08:49 AM
"(I know - sacrilege to some)"

Could be you're just wrong, too. :)

I grew up shooting my father's 20 ga. Model 12 in the '50s and it would do most things well, but it was retired about 10 years ago when I finally got a 28 ga.

clang
May 16, 2013, 07:35 PM
"I grew up shooting my father's 20 ga. Model 12 in the '50s and it would do most things well, but it was retired about 10 years ago when I finally got a 28 ga. "

The 16 gauge, 20 gauge and 28 gauge Winchester Model 12s were all built on the same frame size. It's one of the guns where the 16 gauge really shines if you are into pump guns. It also makes very little sense to go with the 28 gauge version because there is almost no weight advantage. But there is plenty of snob appeal :)



"For some as yet unidentified reason I kill longer distance birds better with the second shot in the 28 ga. than I do with the 20."

The dirty little secret I hate to admit even to myself is that most people shoot O/Us better than they do SxSs. That's why so many of the Pros shoot O/Us. The farther the shot, the more accurate you have to be, so maybe that is where you start to see the advantage of the O/U vs the SxS. I like to hunt with SxSs too (I like old Remington SxSs), but I know I am a little bit better when shooting one of my O/Us.

Deer_Freak
May 17, 2013, 04:15 AM
I have COPD and other physical ailments. I don't shoot sporting clays unless a cart is available. The 28 ga Citori is light and easy to handle. I can put 25 rounds of 28 ga ammo in my bag with very little back pain.

I have a Mossberg 500 20 ge I shoot when I don't reload ammo for the 28 ga. I score well with it. But my left elbow does take a beating from pumping the Mossberg. I usually just shoot 50 clays with the pump gun.

Sporting clays are a lot like fishing. A bad day on the range is better than a good day at work.

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