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Queen_of_Thunder
May 10, 2013, 01:37 PM
This week has been the best week ammowise since this mess started. Wednesday was the best day in 5 months. So far we have seen 9mm,40cal and 45acp each day. Wednesday and today there was a lot of ammo left but there were about 20 fewer people in line each day so that may have played a part. I saw not only 357 but 38 special on the shelf along with 44 special. We are getting 22lr on a regular basis but no 44mag. 223/556 is still hard to come by but it shows up every now and then. We get a lot of 308 and 7.62x39.

There also seems that a pattern is developing where Friday is the worst day of the week for ammo and Monday being the best day for ammo.

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CB900F
May 10, 2013, 01:44 PM
I take it then that youre in a commercial situation? If you don't mind, what general area of the country please? I'm not noticing a significantl
y better ammo supply at this time.

900F

Queen_of_Thunder
May 10, 2013, 01:56 PM
I'm not on the commerial side. I'm a user of ammo. This is what I've been seeing at my local Academy Sports since I started lining up in January. This week has been a great week for ammo. Granted this week may be a one time event but I hope not. We shall see come next week.



Location is West Texas.

Baldman
May 10, 2013, 02:04 PM
Just going by the internet messages I've received this week I would agree. Midway sent me a notification they had UMC .223 in stock for about $8 a box of 20 and Brownells sent me an email that my PMAG's have shipped. I'm not sure if it is a trend but it's like Christmas in May for me.

FitGunner
May 10, 2013, 02:10 PM
Queen, your store gets better shipments than our's. On top of that, the managers decided to put out the shipments at random times to confuse the re-sellers. They caught on pretty quick that the early birds were buying everything they could and then posting the ammo on Facebook, Gun Broker, etc. for 2-4 times what they paid. They called the people out on it and were lied to about it. So they went to the random system. You never know when they will put it out.

PabloJ
May 10, 2013, 03:34 PM
Random system is great idea. Every store with people lining up for ammo on expected delivery date should do that.

Hondodawg
May 10, 2013, 04:41 PM
Just ordered 9mm, 40, 38sp, 223, 5.56, and 7.69x39, lots of butler creek steel lips 10/22 mags a variety of MPI mags and S&W M&Ps, ARs, handguns and shields and a few Henry's. I haven't had this variety of items since last year. I hope it is getting better. But dang 22lr is still impossible.

As for putting items out its random most of the time were a small store and it depends on the brown truck arrival and when it gets added to inventory system.

mrvco
May 10, 2013, 05:05 PM
The stacks of boxes of ammo at my local LGS's are only getting taller... all calibers. The prices aren't coming down as fast as the stacks are growing, but now that the supply seems to be stabilizing and the shelves are fully stocked, it's only a matter of time.

12many
May 10, 2013, 05:42 PM
I agree. Next step, get the prices down, and then let's go shooting.

bushmaster1313
May 10, 2013, 06:31 PM
I saw 500 rounds of new American made 223 go for $315 on Gunbroker

swalton1943
May 10, 2013, 06:38 PM
My LGS had every cal but .22lr. Still no primers at all.

TCB in TN
May 10, 2013, 09:23 PM
My LGS has most everything except .22lr too. Walmart had a couple of boxes of 9mm, 30-06, .270, 7mm mag, 25-06, plenty of 12ga and a few odds and ends. It is getting better.

SlowFuse
May 10, 2013, 10:26 PM
I can say something similar to the OP. My local Academy has had for the past 2 days:

380, 9mm mak and luger, 40, 45, 357 mag, 223, 7.62x39, 308. All of these have been nonexistent for the past 2 months at least with the exception of spotty 40 and 357mag. Still no 22 rimfire except shorts and shot loads.

Agsalaska
May 11, 2013, 12:35 AM
A better idea than the random system would be to price it at a point to take the incentive away from the resellers. That will ultimately bring the aggregat prices back down to a more familiar level.

rgwalt
May 11, 2013, 12:51 AM
A better idea than the random system would be to price it at a point to take the incentive away from the resellers. That will ultimately bring the aggregat prices back down to a more familiar level.
I am also not a fan of the random system. I don't want to drop by my local gun store or big box retailer three times a day hoping I will get lucky. As much as we collectively hate them, the resellers are serving a purpose. They are getting ammo into the hands of people who cannot or will not wait in line in for it.

Anyway, I'd better get to bed. I've got to be up in 6 hours to go to Academy.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
May 11, 2013, 01:01 AM
I agree with the Queen of Thunder. It seems to be getting a little easier to find ammo. While my local Walmart and LGS are still slim pickings, it is because they are the only place to buy it within 40 miles. The other LGS's (40-45 miles away) have almost every caliber of some sort. It is still a little overpriced and might be a brand you are not used to shooting, but it is there. I am finding more and more online. If you will watch sights like www.slickdeals.net and sign up for updates with keywords like "ammo", you can usually find decent deals. I just bought 5k rounds of ..22 LR from Grafs and Sons, but found the deal from slickdeals.

JLe˛dhas
May 11, 2013, 08:16 AM
Not getting better in my neck of the woods. Still no ammo here, will be glad when this nightmare is over.

OilyPablo
May 11, 2013, 08:26 AM
Slightly better. It seems like 9mm is around, at some places. Online still sucks.

Queen_of_Thunder
May 11, 2013, 10:15 AM
A better idea than the random system would be to price it at a point to take the incentive away from the resellers. That will ultimately bring the aggregat prices back down to a more familiar level.
Oh goody. Someone wanting price controls. Explain to everyone why you support making the shortage much worse then it already is by going to price controls. Price controls lead to shortages.

What many fail to understand is those putting their ammo on sites such as gunbroker are in effect helping to ease the shortage by putting more ammo in the hands of shooters then the current situation is presently doing. Granted prices have gone up but prices will retreat somewhat here in the future. Probably won't be as cheap as it used to be but there are more gun owners today then in Sept. of last year. That alone pushes the price up due to increased demand. The only question that remains is how will this increase in demand be met. Imported ammo, factory expansion, new entrants into the market, who knows. Could be one or a combination. We just have to ride this out as the market decides on which path is most economical to take.

Onward Allusion
May 11, 2013, 10:26 AM
On top of that, the managers decided to put out the shipments at random times to confuse the re-sellers.

Good! Those resellers on Gunbroker need to be drawn & quartered! :cuss:

Queen_of_Thunder
May 11, 2013, 11:08 AM
Good! Those resellers on Gunbroker need to be drawn & quartered! :cuss:
Explain your reason for that position.

NHCraigT
May 11, 2013, 11:08 AM
Just got a shipment of Blazer Brass 9mm from SG today (that had been backordered since Jan).

Cost: $11.20/50 rounds (obviously I had ordered more than 50).

Worth the wait!

Ankeny
May 11, 2013, 11:34 AM
Good! Those resellers on Gunbroker need to be drawn & quartered! I have only sold two items on Gunbroker in my life. Both were last month. I had a 500 pack of CCI Stingers that I bought for my nephew to shoot in his pistol. As it turned out, his pistol won't shoot Stingers reliably so he told me to sell them. I put them on GB with a reserve of what I paid for them plus estimated shipping. What's wrong with that?

I also bought 1000 rounds of Federal .223 ammo for my new AR. After the purchase, a buddy gave me a handful of the same ammo (different lot) to try in my rifle before I opened the box. My rifle didn't shoot well with the Fed. 55 gr. FMJ so I put them on GB with a reserve of exactly what I paid plus $25.00 shipping. I ran the auction short term rather than the usual one week. The ammo didn't even show up in the GB search engine until the auction was half over. The "winning" bidder bought them for about 10-15 cents less per round than most folks are paying for ammo of lesser quality. I made about $12.00 on the sale, but it's 44 miles round trip to the Fed Ex office. My pickup truck gets 17 mpg.

No one made anyone bid on those items. I could have just as easily hoarded them away.

Agsalaska
May 11, 2013, 02:55 PM
Oh goody. Someone wanting price controls. Explain to everyone why you support making the shortage much worse then it already is by going to price controls. Price controls lead to shortages.

What many fail to understand is those putting their ammo on sites such as gunbroker are in effect helping to ease the shortage by putting more ammo in the hands of shooters then the current situation is presently doing. Granted prices have gone up but prices will retreat somewhat here in the future. Probably won't be as cheap as it used to be but there are more gun owners today then in Sept. of last year. That alone pushes the price up due to increased demand. The only question that remains is how will this increase in demand be met. Imported ammo, factory expansion, new entrants into the market, who knows. Could be one or a combination. We just have to ride this out as the market decides on which path is most economical to take.
What? Who is advocating price controls? Certainly not me. The retailers who are so far under market price that resellers have an incentive to buy from them and resell for a profit actually help to drive the price up. And causes shortages. If WalMart, Academy, etc. would raise their prices and take the incentive away from the resellers the highest prices would drop off fairly quickly. But they are free to price it however they want to price it.

Blackbeard
May 11, 2013, 04:40 PM
I actually saw some ammo today! Farm & Fleet had some .223 soft point 55gr, 20 for $23.48. The $13 stuff was, of course, sold out. Walmart actually had two boxes of .380 auto. Unfortunately I don't have a .380 or I'd have grabbed them.

Is it bad if you consider buying a gun because you found some ammo for it?

Onward Allusion
May 11, 2013, 07:56 PM
Er, NO. :neener:

PabloJ
May 11, 2013, 08:00 PM
Two Walmarts had two boxes of .25ACP and box of .44Magnum. Local BassPro had .500S&W, .460S&W and .480 Ruger plus empty handgun ammo isle. Yes, things are improving.:rolleyes:

Balrog
May 11, 2013, 08:04 PM
How many threads talking about how things are improving will we have before things actually start improving???

351 WINCHESTER
May 11, 2013, 08:04 PM
Ammo is making a comeback at my lgs in decent quantities. Even had some .22 cci std. velocity.

Buckeye71
May 11, 2013, 09:12 PM
Yeah, today at my LGS I got my limit of 5 boxes of 22LR, and they had plenty more, at only twice what I paid in November for a box of 50. Lots of .223 at $14/box of 20 and no 9mm. First 22LR I bought since last fall, so back to the range now.

Ignition Override
May 12, 2013, 06:58 AM
If any of you know how to check actual ammo sale prices on Gunbroker, you might post a few average figures each week for .22, 5.56, 7.62x39 etc. This would help highlight trends for those who are willing to wait.
For rifle sale prices on GB, two years ago my search did not work out and I gave up.

It must be a secret code or is not possible, because sellers might have 'lobbied' the managers so that potential bidders won't be able to evaluate averages.

The fact that much more ammunition has been available in the last two-three weeks will only help cool off the anxiety and further accelerate the downwards trend for prices.
The "ball" is in the "buyers' court", as always.

itchy1
May 12, 2013, 07:40 AM
I was at a LGS a little N of Nashville yesterday. They were stocked better than I've seen since the panic started. They had just about everything except 9mm. The prices were higher, probably 25-30% from pre panic levels. The selection of guns is definately getting better as well. Seeing a lot less dead space in racks and cases.

MShort
May 12, 2013, 11:42 AM
It seems to be getting better in my neck o' the woods.....Southeast Missouri. A couple local firearm stores are increasing the amount of limits from 1 box per cal/day to 2 box cal / day. Even the Walmart stores in the area are getting more ammunition...

And yes as much as I despise resellers gouging people, they are at least continuing to get ammo out and not just hoard it. I would be more worried about the shortages if I had not already stashed a bunch myself.

guitarguy314
May 12, 2013, 11:43 AM
I actually have to agree. I went to academy last night, and they had 44 special and 357 in stock! Not the 45 colt and 45-70 I'm looking for, but...I haven't seen regulat ammo like that for some time.

BoltActionPrepper
May 12, 2013, 03:29 PM
IDK what fantasy world y'all are living in, but here on earth the ammo situation is far from getting any better. :scrutiny:

itchy1
May 12, 2013, 03:48 PM
BAP, you're not much of a prepper if you didn't stock on on ammo during the fat times:banghead:

MaterDei
May 12, 2013, 03:59 PM
I bought 3 boxes of the cheapo plinker Tulammo steel cased .223 at WalMart today for $5.37. That's only $.28 / round.

BoltActionPrepper
May 12, 2013, 04:11 PM
I'm a young man with a mediocre job that doesn't pay me what i'm worth itchy1, i just got started shooting/prepping a little over 2 years ago. I figured medical supplies, clothes, and freeze dried food was more important in the short run. I'm also not a psychic! I didn't foresee the Sandy Hook Hoax happening. Afterall, our 2A rights are supposed to be inalienable. I have a little bit in the way of ammo, but not nearly enough.

MaterDei
May 12, 2013, 04:17 PM
Good answer. It looks like you've got your priorities properly aligned (water?). Many people have 10 years worth of ammo and two weeks worth of food.

BoltActionPrepper
May 12, 2013, 04:25 PM
Thanks MaterDei. The property on which i live has abundant water, as well as fertile soil. I have friendly neighbors, and we're not stacked on top of one another. I doubt the whole community could deplete the local springs. Getting back to the topic of discussion, i sure hope ammo availability gets better soon. Even if the price increases prove to be permenant surely it'll at least become available in useful quantities?

tigeroldlone
May 12, 2013, 04:38 PM
Where the heck are you guys????? We did get some 5.56 last week, but it went pretty darn quick. One LGS MAY be getting some 22LR in the next couple of weeks, but no guarantees.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
May 12, 2013, 05:40 PM
My .22's came from Midway USA and Grafs &Sons, but the rest I am finding box by box locally. I lucked up and got 6k rounds of .22 total, and the price wasn't horrible. Now my LGS has slightly higher prices than normal on everything....

22-rimfire
May 12, 2013, 06:20 PM
Things seem to be getting better in terms of inventory. But I still refuse to stand in line for ammunition. I just won't shoot. My life does not revolve around whether or not I can go shooting. As it so happens, I do have lots of 22LR ammunition and a reasonable supply of the center fire ammunition that I shoot. Honestly, if stores had more inventory, I would be buying ammunition during every visit if it were available at normal pricing. Then I would relax and start blasting away.

Queen, I'm glad you're finding ammunition now. It is just not as important to me.

Cokeman
May 12, 2013, 06:30 PM
That's what I did. I bought a box every time I visited Walmart or Cabela's. The problem arose when I bought a new gun in a caliber that I never had before.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
May 12, 2013, 07:13 PM
Yeah, 22-rimfire, I agree. I will not stand in line or wait for ammo. The closest I do is the notifications from Midway USA. To be honest, by the time I get to the site, the ammo is usually sold out...lol. I have lucked out on a couple purchases though.

Hondodawg
May 13, 2013, 03:58 PM
Just an update. I was able to pick up magtech 38sp, 357 mag, 40s&w, 9mm, 45 acp over the weekend! And the sales rep added 5 bricks of CCI SV which cost went up $2 per brick and two bricks of Remington thunderbolt to the order, so it is getting better.

I was also able to buy three boxes of cci quiet at Walmart yesterday. They had a bunch of 50 rd thunderbolts also which I passed on.

Queen_of_Thunder
May 13, 2013, 05:35 PM
How many threads talking about how things are improving will we have before things actually start improving???
Well I started this one because I've been one to say the "sky is falling" on ammo supplies. Its my admission that I was probably wrong but we shall see. Of course todays delivery to Academy is a strong indication that things are getting better. Example: fifty 100 count boxes of Winchester 9mm, twenty 50 count boxes of Winchester 115gr JHP, 200 boxes of Independance 20 round boxes of 5.56, ten boxes of Winchester 40 s&w 100 count boxes, 5 AE 100 count boxes of 223 and some other calibers I dont worry about.

Queen_of_Thunder
May 13, 2013, 05:59 PM
Things seem to be getting better in terms of inventory. But I still refuse to stand in line for ammunition. I just won't shoot. My life does not revolve around whether or not I can go shooting. As it so happens, I do have lots of 22LR ammunition and a reasonable supply of the center fire ammunition that I shoot. Honestly, if stores had more inventory, I would be buying ammunition during every visit if it were available at normal pricing. Then I would relax and start blasting away.

Queen, I'm glad you're finding ammunition now. It is just not as important to me.
Shooting is the only sport I can participate in due to my mobility problems so my options are severly limited. Its not like I can go out for a morning run like I used too or take a trip to go fishing. So shooting is bit more important to me then it is to most people.

mljdeckard
May 13, 2013, 06:06 PM
Just got back from Sportsman's Warehouse (72nd south SLC) looking at camping stuff, they were still pretty bare, but the did have some 1k boxes of Remington small pistol primers and Berry's bullets in 115 gr 9mm and 180 gr .45. (No 230s.) On their ammo display they had a few dozen boxes of Tula AK ammo. Not much, but better than the last few months.

Scheel's has ARs such as RRA in stock at normal prices.

Grassman
May 13, 2013, 07:29 PM
My local Academy had tons of .223, 7.62x39 and many other popular rifle ammo. Still no .22, they even had three AR's!

Cokeman
May 13, 2013, 09:42 PM
Cabela's had everything but 9mm and 22lr tonight. Prices seemed about where they used to be when not on sale.

lionking
May 13, 2013, 09:47 PM
I really don't care, haven't shot since January and I don't bother to look for ammo now.

I figure maybe in 6 months I'll try again, if prices haven't gone down then to being reasonable I 'll wait a few more months.

justice06rr
May 13, 2013, 10:08 PM
I was able to buy 22lr for the first time last week! so yes its getting a little better (emphassis on little). But You still have to get to the LGS right when they open to be able to get your hands on any ammo.

Tomcat47
May 13, 2013, 10:09 PM
My LGS has plenty of 22 this week. He started letting customers by 100 rounds of 22 at a time a month or so back... Put a sign up in efforts to be fair to all customers we are selling 100 rounds of 22 caliber per each customer....

Some like it, some hate it! but his supply has now caught up to a good pace based on his customers.

I can regularly go by 3 times a week and get my 100 rounds, He has ample supply most of the time of 22 short long and long rifle in CCI

22LR $4.95 / box 50 CCI (allowed 2)
22L $10.95/ box 100 CCI
22S $8.99/ box 100 CCI

Got me 2 box LR today and wed I will get 100 22L .... I am finding these to be a joy to plink with actually.

vito
May 14, 2013, 08:13 AM
I was in the Elgin, IL area last week and stopped at G.A.T. They had just about every handgun and rifle caliber ammo available, but limited sales to one box per caliber per person, and five 50-round boxes of 22LR per person. Prices were only a bit higher than what I recall before this latest panic situation of the last 8 months or so. I was able to buy a box of 45ACP, 38 Special, 40S&W, and 250 rounds of 22LR for just about $100. Everything I bought were known brands to me, even if not known as the "best", but there were also many brands that I never heard of at somewhat lower prices. I am hoping that this means that the ammo situation is really easing. But here in Rockford there is still a severe shortage, where a shipment of 9mm at MC Sports apparently sold old within an hour of arrival at the store.

FitGunner
May 14, 2013, 12:47 PM
I was finally able to buy some Federal HST ammo. That stuff was a little hard to find before the craziness set in. I can't find target ammo for a good price but at least my defensive ammo is stocked up.

GCMkc
May 14, 2013, 01:46 PM
Recent goodness:

320rounds 5.56mm, 2 windowed PMAGS, and 2 Lancer AWM mags (PMC, American Eagle, Prvi, and Federal) for $150.

Just picked up 3 boxes of Winchester 9mm at Wally World for $13.50 a box.

There is a ton of ammo for sale on a local board. Everyone is asking insane prices for ammo so I just lowball people until they accept the inevitable. :D

12many
May 14, 2013, 01:51 PM
What is the best price people are finding for .223 or 5.56? Thanks.

Cokeman
May 14, 2013, 09:15 PM
$10 for 20 rounds.

Ed Ames
May 14, 2013, 09:25 PM
Academy on my way home from work today has 55gr fmj "monarch" for $5.99/20 and another brand for $10.99/20.

They also have 9mm for around $12/box iirc.

They have started displaying it more prominently at the front/service counter. For awhile either they didn't have it or they didn't show it.

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