Cook County, Illinois proposes new Carry Law


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usmarine0352_2005
May 10, 2013, 06:00 PM
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Is this even legal under the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals?





And I don't mean the prohibitive price to exercise a right.




http://www.suntimes.com/news/19919549-418/sheriff-tom-dart-proposes-cook-county-concealed-carry-ordinance.html




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Sheriff Tom Dart proposes Cook County concealed-carry ordinance


BY FRANK MAIN Staff Reporter May 5, 2013 7:44PM


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Sheriff Tom Dart said Sunday that he is proposing a concealed-carry gun ordinance to keep Cook County from becoming the “Wild West.”

Under the proposed ordinance, Dart would have the authority to approve or reject licenses of citizens wanting to carry concealed weapons, the AP reports. Licenses would also come with a $300 fee.
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Certaindeaf
May 10, 2013, 06:06 PM
As long as it's subsidized like everything else over there. lock and load

Shultzhaus
May 10, 2013, 06:07 PM
That's why it has sometimes been referred to as "Crook County"

Wishoot
May 10, 2013, 06:17 PM
Sadly, this represents progress for Cook Cty.

Bet if this passes, the only people getting approved for CCW will be the wealthy and politically connected.

lilguy
May 10, 2013, 06:40 PM
If I turn right going out my driveway I'll carry with an Illinois permit, if I turn left I will also need a harder to get Cook County permit. That's how ridiculous this may end up for many of us.

Certaindeaf
May 10, 2013, 06:45 PM
I'm shakin' it, boss!

Midwest
May 10, 2013, 07:06 PM
Sounds like the New York situation where people can get carry permits in some NY counties but they are NOT valid in NYC.

Coop45
May 10, 2013, 07:09 PM
How much will the sheriff charge for his approval?

swalton1943
May 10, 2013, 07:46 PM
Is the Dart the head crook of crook county? What is the price of elected office in Obamas' political home?

herrwalther
May 11, 2013, 12:56 AM
No matter how often the Antis get struck down, they try to hold on to their ideals. Supreme Court overturned the Illinois state wide ban on concealed carry and they are darting the line by making permits discretionary and expensive. But at least it is progress.

JohnsXDM
May 11, 2013, 12:58 AM
Besides the $300 fee there is also 40 hrs of required training and you must prove a "need" to carry.

jerkface11
May 11, 2013, 01:19 AM
40 hours of training? Anyone they actually give a permit to will be will be a master gunfighter.

Texshooter
May 11, 2013, 02:09 AM
This will teach all those poor people!

They don't need to worry about protecting their, and their loved ones, lives.

All they need to do is call 911.

Alizard
May 11, 2013, 02:29 AM
It's legal, state's can severely restrict carry rights. In california, about 95% of counties won't issue under any circumstances. The Heller decision by the SCOTUS affirms the individual's right to own a gun for protection, did not address carry issues.

jerkface11
May 11, 2013, 10:06 AM
All these idiots are doing is putting us one step closer to nation wide shall issue.

Deanimator
May 11, 2013, 10:13 AM
No matter how often the Antis get struck down, they try to hold on to their ideals psychopathologies.
There, fixed that for you.

vito
May 11, 2013, 10:19 AM
It is the arrogance of Sheriff Dart that really enrages me. I heard him on local Chicago radio yesterday stating that in the absence of a state law he would issue this rule for Cook County, where he will decide of what constitutes "need". I guess he just knows he is wiser than the rest of us, and that a constitutional right is only valid if he agrees with it. He stated he certainly would not agree to let "just anyone" carry a concealed weapon, only those who "need one", in part based upon the zipcode of where they live. Whether or not such a law will be enforceable is unclear to me, but I have no doubt that his deputies will try to enforce it, putting anyone found in violation in real danger of criminal prosecution and extensive legal defense costs. I live about one hour's driving time west of Cook County, and this is just one more reason I have to avoid whenever possible even entering this county for any reason. When someone like this can get elected by the voters, the same type voters who are giving the Police Chief of Chicago McCarthy highly positive polling data (who is totally against concealed carry for anyone except LEO's), there is not much hope for this crappy state. I've lived in IL for about 17 years, due to my job, and its interesting that never once can I recall a person saying that they are proud to be from Illinois. Even Abe Lincoln is probably rolling over in his grave over what this state has become.

Caliper_RWVA
May 11, 2013, 10:39 AM
Sounds like a "may issue" law. Did the court ruling require shall issue or just that an absolute prohibition is unconstitutional?

barnbwt
May 11, 2013, 11:43 AM
I guess he just knows he is wiser than the rest of us
And somehow knows the "moral character" and circumstances of every random citizen who applies.

"May Issue" should only be legal in areas where the deciding authority is an elected, not appointed, official, and should have both an investigation requirement (since the supposed purpose of the rule is to allow the Chief to review each applicant) and a response deadline, which if violated, results in a permission being granted. If nothing else, such a rule would keep the Chief busy with reviewing applicants in lieu of getting other work done in a city as big as Chicago. "May issue" places enormous authority over a basic human right in the hands of one, or few people, and demands some sort of check and balance.

How the heck is requiring every single application, of tens of thousands, to go over the desk of one man anything but bureaucratic prohibition? Even if he approved every one, that's nowhere near close to fulfilling the demand pent up in that state by people who need carry weapons.

All they need to do is call 911.
And pray they don't live in one of those neighborhoods the cops won't go into anymore :uhoh:

TCB

c1ogden
May 11, 2013, 03:19 PM
if this passes, the only people getting approved for CCW will be the wealthy and politically connected.

My state is a trend setter!!! We've had that system for over 50 years now!

ColtOfficers45
May 11, 2013, 09:06 PM
This is exactly the problem for Madigan. If she appeals to the USSC, she risks getting a decision which affects all the other states like NY and CA. For this reason Madigan needs time to craft an appeal. So far all she has been able to come up with is "the fed court ruling is inconsistent with other rulings". Insiders have said she is having trouble coming up with the actual items to appeal. I'm sure she will file the appeal but I'm not sure the court will hear it. The USSC has been keen to make a decision by simply denying to hear the case. Time will tell. Illinois put itself in a trick box by being way to strict. And our Gov. is a complete lefty so he is bound to push to hard and fail. Illinois differs from NY in that our down state is nothing like their upstate. On this issue Cook County has been getting its head handed to it.

JTHunter
May 12, 2013, 12:32 AM
BluEyes said:Sounds like a "may issue" law. Did the court ruling require shall issue or just that an absolute prohibition is unconstitutional?

What Dart wants is "may issue" (when H3ll freezes over!) with him in control.
Judge Posner's ruling was only in reference to Illinois' total ban, not any specific type of carry.

JohnsXDM
May 12, 2013, 01:08 AM
Dart is no dummy. Think of it his way. Thousands go thru the training and then submit their application with their $300. He denies them all, gets to keep the $300 and gets what he really wants, no one with a carry license.

usmarine0352_2005
May 12, 2013, 06:08 PM
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So if the legislature can't come up with a carry deal by the deadline is all of Illinois a Constitutional Carry state except Cook County?
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JohnsXDM
May 13, 2013, 12:47 AM
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So if the legislature can't come up with a carry deal by the deadline is all of Illinois a Constitutional Carry state except Cook County?
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Any Home Rule City could have their own laws that could be enforced. A good lawyer would probably get the case dropped unless the city is willing to go up against a Federal court ruling that said a out right ban is unconstitutional.

PaisteMage
May 13, 2013, 02:47 PM
I used to live there, also known as "crook county" to people that live or have lived there.

arizona_cards_11
May 13, 2013, 05:06 PM
I used to live there, also known as "crook county" to people that live or have lived there.
And every county south of I-80.

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