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Lerk
May 12, 2013, 07:05 AM
So Sam Cade's thread about the rusty cleaver made me remember that I need to get one. Always seem to be preping meat and wishing I had one. Are there are good quality and reasonably priced ones out there I should check out? Or other recommendations as to where I can find some?

Need a new butcher's block too

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fineredmist
May 12, 2013, 09:13 AM
I can't help you with where to get them but I can tell you that a good cleaver has a blade that is at least 1/8" thick at the top, has about 8" of cutting length and weighs in around 2 pounds. There are a lot of "kitchen" cleavers around and they are much too light to be of value when trying to cut anything but chicken, heavy is always better. Butcher blocks are expensive and require some maintenance namely scraping the surface to remove fat, blood and meat juices. The only way this can be done is with a stiff wire brush and there is a brush made just for this purpose. The brush is about 6" long by 2 1/2" wide and has "fingers" that are about 2 1/2' long and 1/8" wide; the ends of the fingers are sharpened on one side so the brush will cut in only one direction which permits it to cleanup the block surface.
I suggest that you look on the net and in flea market type shops to find what you are looking for.

Kingcreek
May 12, 2013, 10:07 AM
Mist is right on. A cleaver should be heavy enough that the weight works for you. I picked one up at a knife show years ago. Hand forged Norwegian with a convex edge. It gets a lot of use during deer season. Chops like a broad axe but sharp enough to slice with also.

Bikewer
May 12, 2013, 12:21 PM
I've got a rather seriously big one, total about a foot long... I throw it like an axe.
Works quite nicely; you have to lob it rather easily or you'll throw your elbow out.

Sam Cade
May 12, 2013, 04:27 PM
Are there are good quality and reasonably priced ones out there I should check out?

Dexter-Russell cleavers start at around $40 with free shipping from Amazon and are of good quality.

http://www.amazon.com/Dexter-Russell-5387-7-cleaver/dp/B008RBTGOK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1368386373&sr=8-1&keywords=dexter-russell+cleaver


Cleavers don't get much use in my kitchen.

SlamFire1
May 12, 2013, 04:51 PM
I have been using this Japanese Cleaver since 2007 and have given several away as gifts. For $18.00 shipped it is a bargin:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/SlamFire/knives/GoodCleaverPicture.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/SlamFire/media/knives/GoodCleaverPicture.jpg.html)


http://www.ebay.com/itm/FULL-TANG-MEAT-CLEAVER-QUALITY-KNIFE-6711-/310635211734?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item48534d2bd6#ht_1660wt_885

Deltaboy
May 12, 2013, 05:31 PM
On Cleavers heavy is Better.

zxcvbob
May 12, 2013, 05:41 PM
Dexter-Russell cleavers start at around $40 with free shipping from Amazon and are of good quality.

http://www.amazon.com/Dexter-Russell...ussell+cleaver

Cleavers don't get much use in my kitchen.

I have one of those that I bought almost 30 years ago. I use it now for batoning kindling more than anything else. I also bought a cleaver from Harbor Freight for $7. It is nice and heavy, and it looks nicer than the Dexter cleaver, so it's the one in the kitchen. If I ever break it, I'll get the Dexter back out of the garage.

Sam Cade
May 12, 2013, 05:41 PM
On Cleavers heavy is Better.

On all kitchen knives, the correct weight is best.

Heavy cleavers wreck your cutting surfaces, increase the chances of serious injury and are generally the most useless knife in the kitchen.

Big cleavers are butchery tools and wholly unsuited for kitchen duty.

kBob
May 12, 2013, 06:02 PM
When I was nine my folks went in with Mom's folks on an IGA grocery. Her Dad aka Pa-Pah was the butcher. after the bandsaw and bacon slicer my Mom would get most freaked when Pa-pah would let the nine year old use the cleaver. "Just get it started and guide it and let it do the work for you.....oh, yeah watch where you put your other thumb."

For kitchen use on say whole chickens and such a buddy used to swear by the one Gerber made, or sold, around thirty years ago. It had a set of weights on could arrange in the handle to get the balance one wanted. He liked it so much he sometimes carried it as a CCW in a shoulder rig. Wierdness if ya ask me, but I would not want to have him after me with it. When a Character in a "Magnum, P.I." TV episode only a year or so after he started this produced one and Ginsu chef-ed a telephone cord, I about feel out of my chair laughing thinking of my buddy.

-kBob

Sam Cade
May 12, 2013, 06:17 PM
.oh, yeah watch where you put your other thumb."


:D

I remember having that same conversation!!

zxcvbob
May 12, 2013, 06:37 PM
Heavy cleavers wreck your cutting surfaces, increase the chances of serious injury and are generally the most useless knife in the kitchen.
Big cleavers are butchery tools and wholly unsuited for kitchen duty.

It probably is the least used knife in my kitchen, but it does get used -- to chop blocks of frozen food.

joecil
May 12, 2013, 07:09 PM
Yes I own a few myself but then one of my things is cooking. I have mostly custom made Chinese style cleaver using Japanese steels and workmanship and mostly slicing cleaver type but a couple of butcher type also. For that The second picture is one that belonged to a great grandmother shown that I had refinished. She got it at the worlds fair in Chicago in the early 1900's. The others are larger but didn't have pictures of at this time.

Jaymo
May 12, 2013, 07:11 PM
I've been wanting to get a heavy cleaver, but I've been using my Himalayan Imports 18" Bonecutter Khukuri.
It's a purpose built chopping machine.
The 18" measurement is straight from the tip of the blade, to the hilt. It does not include the bend in the blade.
It's a beast, with a 3/8" thick spine.

I have a cheap POS cleaver somewhere.
I also have an OLD meat cleaver that was my GGDad's. It's not a heavy one, but is much better made than the cheapie I have.
Also have a Dexter-Russel Chinese Chef's knife. Very useful knife, especially when chopping/slicing cabbage, lettuce, and large diameter vegetables. Not designed for chopping meat, but works very well for it's intended purpose.

For most nonfrozen meat cutting, I prefer a good, sharp carbon steel butcher's knife.

Yep, the Chinese Chef's knives (look like a squared off cleaver) are amazing for slicing heads of green veggies, stacks of greens, squashes, tomatoes, potatoes, etc. They make nice straight cuts.

Meat cleavers always remind me of the episode of M*A*S*H, with the angry Turk who hated the Chinese.

JShirley
May 12, 2013, 08:23 PM
Joe, that's A LOT of cleavers!

jbkebert
May 13, 2013, 12:09 AM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=654559&highlight=harvey+king

Here is my field clever made by Harvey King whom is also a member here on the THR. I use it for everything from getting light firewood to popping ribs or a pelvis on game animals. Heck I skinned out two hogs last year with it. It has proven to be a very useful tool and worth it weight in my pack.

http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww241/jbkebert/harveyaxe051.jpg

Sam Cade
May 13, 2013, 12:31 AM
Here is my field clever made by Harvey King whom is also a member here on the THR.

Foxy!

The line between cleaver and hand-axe can get pretty blurry.

jbkebert
May 13, 2013, 12:41 AM
You are right about that. Harvey's design almost makes the line disappear. I used to carry a Gerber hatchet but this thing fills that need and several others.

Sam Cade
May 13, 2013, 01:01 AM
On that note:

Has anyone ever gotten any hands-on with one of Ted Frizzel's cleaverish "hatchets"?

I've been looking at the things for years but never managed to convince myself I needed one.

http://www.mineralmountain.com/images/hatchets-web15.jpg

This one confuses me a bit. Objet d'art I suppose.
http://www.mineralmountain.com/images/goose2.jpg

Deltaboy
May 13, 2013, 11:44 PM
On all kitchen knives, the correct weight is best.

Heavy cleavers wreck your cutting surfaces, increase the chances of serious injury and are generally the most useless knife in the kitchen.

Big cleavers are butchery tools and wholly unsuited for kitchen duty.
Yes they can if you go swing it like Super Mario. I was taught to let the weight work for me but not to try and kill something that is all ready dead. When you DAD has bought a case of Chickens to put in the freezer and it is your job as a 12 year boy to half them for your Mom you want a Heavy Cleavers.

Okiegunner
May 14, 2013, 10:21 PM
Wow Sam!!

I really like the look of that first picture.

The second pic, uh...looks a little bit too Klingonish to me.

Sam Cade
May 14, 2013, 10:49 PM
I really like the look of that first picture.

http://www.mineralmountain.com/

His prices have just about doubled on most stuff over the last few years.

Deltaboy
May 15, 2013, 12:28 AM
Ouch but I know some materials have about doubled too.

Tommy Medlin
May 23, 2013, 04:42 PM
My dad was a butcher,and I have his cleaver and most of his knives,all high carbon steel and sharp as razors.The cleaver blade is 8 inches long and 4.5 inches tall,weighs a good two pounds.

Texan Scott
May 23, 2013, 05:52 PM
Great... now I need a meat cleaver in a handle down, thumb break shoulder rig.... for what, I dunno... probably just the 'crazy factor'.

rcmodel
May 23, 2013, 08:37 PM
London terrorist who killed the British solder.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130522144249-woolwhich-meat-cleaver-horizontal-gallery.jpg

rc

Deltaboy
May 23, 2013, 09:53 PM
Sad to the then sheep stand by and let it happen.

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