Remington Golden Bullet Squib


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4D5
May 12, 2013, 08:13 PM
I’m not a fan of Rem GB because I get a lot of inconsistent reports when shooting and usually a fair share of duds. However with the scarcity of ammo, I purchased this ammo at Wally World a few weeks ago. It’s all they have had in weeks and I bought 3 boxes and my brother bought the remaining other 3 boxes.

Well today I had the S&W 15-22 out and had a Golden Bullet squib.

I had a very light report and no hole in the paper so I removed the magazine, pulled the bolt back and the spent brass ejected. I keep a brass rod in the truck so I got it out to make sure the barrel was clear. Good thing I checked because I tapped out the round in the picture below.

In my area scorning any ammo is a crap shoot. I’ll certainly be glad when there’s more ammo on the shelf and a person can once again pick and choose his preferred ammo of choice.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/photos25/Misc%20stuff/RemGBsquib1_zps35298e59.jpg (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/photos25/media/Misc%20stuff/RemGBsquib1_zps35298e59.jpg.html)

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monotonous_iterancy
May 12, 2013, 08:33 PM
I've never had a squib, but I must say, Remington .22s are the dirtiest rounds I've ever fired. After handling a small amount, my fingertips were black from lead.

hovercat
May 12, 2013, 08:49 PM
I had heard that the 'new and improved' really were. Sad to hear that the golden bullets are still having problems.

mf-dif
May 12, 2013, 08:54 PM
I actually don't have problems with these "new & improved" ones. They cycled well for me through 2 bricks. The dirtiest round I've ever used is the CCI Blazers.

444
May 12, 2013, 08:57 PM
Interesting.

I have never had that happen with a .22 and have never heard of it happening until now. I have fired 10s of thousands of those things.

Thanks for posting it.

22-rimfire
May 12, 2013, 09:03 PM
I'm surprised you had this happen with the "new and improved" GB's. I still like to shoot them, because they tend to be fairly accurate and less expensive than CCI.

Sounds like only the primer went off.

kyhunter
May 12, 2013, 09:41 PM
I had the exact same thing happen in a marlin 60 on a coon hunt, 3 miles from the truck. Needless to say after that walk and drive to the house then the walk and drive back to get that big ol coon i vowed never to buy any more GB's. Im just glad i was there because my uncle was ready to keep on shooting after it happened. I found the bullet was about 13 inches down the barrel.

bannockburn
May 13, 2013, 07:19 AM
I stopped using Remington rimfire ammo years ago because of all the problems I had with it. I was hoping they finally got things worked out with their GB ammo in terms of quality control.

So much for New and Improved.

WoodchuckAssassin
May 13, 2013, 07:32 AM
Remington ammo? Gross. Haha! I'm not a huge fan of ANY Remington ammo. I've never had a squib, but I've had several FTF's, and seen many rounds/cases that were so corroded I wouldn't EVER load them in my gun.

Buy Federal.

foghornl
May 13, 2013, 07:38 AM
Remington's Golden bullet rim-fire ammo is at best a ahhhhhhhhh 'crap shoot'.

On the other hand, I have found that the "Core-Lokt" center-fire hunting ammo works well, particularly as it is usually about the lest expensive of that type.

CSG
May 13, 2013, 10:30 AM
I've had little issue with Remington Golden Bullets.

351 WINCHESTER
May 13, 2013, 10:56 AM
At least they are consistent (consisteltely bad). They were junk 40 years ago and looks like they still are.

Certaindeaf
May 13, 2013, 11:20 AM
What did you drive that bullet out with? It looks like you probably ruined your bore.

wally
May 13, 2013, 12:32 PM
I've had little issue with Remington Golden Bullets.
There are two Remington Golden Bullets on the market that I'm aware of, the ones sold in boxes of 50, 10 boxes to a brick; and the Golden Bullet bulk pack found mostly at Walmart.

The OP is talking about the bulk pack. The other Golden Bullet costs a good bit more and is generally a lot better.

What did you drive that bullet out with? It looks like you probably ruined your bore I seriously doubt it. The OP said he had a brass rod in the truck.

Certaindeaf
May 13, 2013, 12:39 PM
Ah, sorry. I missed that part..

gamestalker
May 13, 2013, 04:36 PM
I've always encountered issues with 22 rim fire ammo. It's the nature of the beast, so to speak. But a squib, never had one with any factory ammunition, and I'm sure glad I haven't.
As for Rem. 22 lR ammunition, I use a lot of it and really don't have any particular complaints or problems, that I don't have with any other brand.

GS

Bruno2
May 13, 2013, 05:00 PM
I have been shooting 22lr for well over 30 yrs and the only time I have ever run across duds were the GB's. I don't buy the crap. Whats the worst aspect of this story is that most young shooters shoot a lot of 22lr. I doubt that firing behind a 22lr squib would blow a gun up , but it would certainly ruin the gun. Kids don't usually know what the procedure is to clear one and it could be dangerous to the shooter as well as the gun.

444
May 13, 2013, 05:07 PM
I don't think it would blow up the gun OR ruin the gun.

I have done it a couple times, neither time with a .22, but............... it was basically a non-event other than having to get the bullets out of the bore. That's not to say it is good, but ...........

4D5
May 14, 2013, 12:19 AM
A little more detail.

Yes I used a brass rod from the muzzle as the bullet was approximately 6 inches from the breech. So only the nose of the bullet (not shown) was a little dinged up. I could easily tap the bullet out with the brass rod, no force required.

The deformed base of the bullet was from firing alone.

Fortunately the gun did not cycle and that precluded firing another round on top of the squib.

However, after no hole in a brand new sheet of paper and low report, checking the condition of the bore was a given.

FROGO207
May 14, 2013, 06:36 AM
Good to see that REM remains consistent but the bad part is that the result is still consistently bad ammo. So much for "new and improved". Had a friend use some when the new boxes came out. Had an entire box of trouble free shooting and I actually thought they had solved their QC problems. It appears this is not really the case but also I am hearing from other shooters locally things are slightly better using the newer boxed ammo with regards to duds.:banghead:

TheNev
May 14, 2013, 07:44 AM
Oddly enough the only squib I've had was with Remington 9mm 115g in the green and white box.

The report was normal, the case ejected, couldn't tell if there was a fresh hole in the paper as it had quite a few in it already. I only knew because the next round wouldnt chamber.

bigdaa
May 14, 2013, 09:12 AM
I just do not keep any Remington 22 ammo and have not used it for 15 to 20 years.

That's plain fact and I did not resort to any name calling or brand busting.

Gato MontÚs
May 14, 2013, 09:24 AM
I've had similarly bad experiences with Remington ammo both rimfire and centerfire cartridges, enough to keep me from buying any more, but never anything as bad as a squib. This was a relatively new box, as in it was probably produced in the heart of this ammo shortage we're experiencing, right? I'm a little leery of all ammo newly made these days because of how fast they're cranking them out to catch up with demand, quality control be damned.

I'm sure this left a rather bad taste in your mouth as far as GB's are concerned, why not email Remington your experience and see what they can do for you? I'm sure they wouldn't mind hearing of this for their own concerns.

HOOfan_1
May 14, 2013, 10:37 AM
I've fired tens of thousand if Remington Golden Bullets and have only had a few spitters.

Bill4282
May 14, 2013, 11:11 AM
The first time I looked into the bottom of a bulk pack of GBs was the last time I shot them. Coating residue, powder and crud. Not in my Browning Challengers.

doc2rn
May 14, 2013, 11:36 AM
Had 3 squibs with standard velocity Rem bullets last yr, the bullets looked earily similar to the one you just posted a pic of.

4D5
May 15, 2013, 01:47 AM
I have contacted Remington and they have requested the remainder of the lot I bought.

mastiffhound
May 15, 2013, 03:17 AM
I've had 3 squibs with Rem Golden bullets over around 1000 rounds of it. All three times I heard a pop and either no ding on the steel and no hole in the paper. I stopped buying Rem GB's more than a year ago. I have never had a squib with any other .22LR in my life, I would be willing to bet that I've shot 100,000 rounds of .22LR probably alot more. I've had week reports(round fires but the report is very weak, I stop shooting and check the barrel), terrible accuracy, and fail to fires. Want to guess the brand I had all the problems with?

Remington makes poor (maybe the worst) .22LR ammo. I won't buy their centerfire ammo either, I've had problems with it too. Last week when I could of purchased a 525 round box of Rem GBs for $21 or spend $20 on 400 rounds of Fed American Eagle I picked the Federal. I don't want Remington to make it right. What if my nephew is shooting his 10/22 and doesn't recognize the difference between a pop and a boom?

My conversation with Remington customer service would go like this:

RCSG: Hello, this is Rem customer service. My name is Guy. How may I help you?

Me: Hello Mr. Rem Customer Service Guy. I purchased some of your ammo and I had three squibs from two different boxes of ammo.

RCSG: (Assuming he knows what a squib is) Really? That's terrible, send us the rest of each box and we'll replace it.

Me: No that's all right.

RCSG: Really, it's no problem. We just want to make it right.

Me: Well that's nice and all but why would I want more of your poorly manufactured ammo that could blow up in my face, or take the fingers off of my nephews hand? I just thought I would alert you to the fact that you will soon be facing a lawsuit, someone is going to get hurt. I won't sue you, but someone will. I can't tell you how many of my friends, family, and people on forums have had problems with your ammo, dangerous problems. I know Remington won't issue a recall unless two or more people are killed. That would probably cost more than just paying out lawsuits under the table. Maybe you should change your quality control practices. I have never had one problem with any ammo from CCI(even the Blazer works great) or Aguila. I know this will never get past your desk so I'm wasting my breath. Thanks for listening though and have a nice day!

RCSG: Sir, wait, ahhh he hung up.

RCSG to other customer service phone jockeys: Man this must be the 100th call I've had in the last six months about how terrible our ammo is.

Other RCSg: I'm up to 1000! I'm glad that we have 100 other guys answering phones or I might be up to 10,000!

And so concludes Not Masterpiece Ammo theater!

I won't buy any ammo from Remington, and haven't for more than a year. With the current scare I really would stay away. If their quality control was bad before all the craziness I wonder how bad it could be now. Bad Remington ammo is the reason I started reloading and handloading. .22LR is the only thing I can't reload now, I would if I could. I might pay a little more for quality .22LR ammo but when an explosion (even one as small as a .22LR creates) is happening that close to my face and hands I like to take every precaution.

skoro
May 15, 2013, 06:09 AM
In the past, I bought Remington's GB ammo to use in my Remington 552, thinking that Remington ammo would be the best choice for a Remington firearm. Over a couple years time, I experienced FTE, FTF, case ruptures, LOTS of duds, you name it. I thought it was the rifle, and sent it back in for service. It returned with a new bolt. Took it to the range, loaded up with GBs. Lo and behold, the same failures all over again. I switched to Winchester Super-X, CCI, Aguila and Federal and all the issues disappeared.

I haven't purchased GBs in over a decade now. I can't imagine ever trusting Remington's 22LR ammo again, regardless of their "new and improved" marketing slogan. I've never had a problem with their centerfire ammo, either rifle or handgun. And I've never had problems with their 22wmr ammo.

But I'll leave their 22LR stuff for those who say it works for them, because it didn't work for me. At all. :rolleyes:

holdencm9
May 15, 2013, 08:52 PM
Wow, never had a squib with them, but that's probably because I stopped buying them after the first bulk pack was used up.

It's pretty much the worst ammo ever. It is the only ammo I universally recommend AGAINST. Even during the worst of the panic, I would occasionally see Rem GB bulk packs on the shelf and just leave them there.

Bruno2
May 15, 2013, 10:02 PM
Remingtons ammo quality has gone down hill. I went to the gun show with a buddy of mine to buy him a bolt action .223. We found an old Savage 110 that was in good shape. Had to be the most plain Jane rifle I have ever seen. It came with a Bushnell scope on it. We took it to the range along with my .223 bolt gun. He brought along some Rem ammo in the green and white box. It wasn't the yellow and green box. I had a huge variety of handloads with me tailored for my gun. We started sighting his gun in and it was shooting everywhere. The scope was loose at every point where it had screws. S after we tightened it all up I thought to myself " this thing will group a lot better now. Turned out not much better at all. I started thinking there was something wrong with the gun and that we had been ripped off. So I loaded up some of the 52gr matchkings I brought along. The first group of three could be covered with a quarter. The next was even tighter than that. My buddy was absolutely stoked with these results b/c he was just thinking he threw $350 away with my advice. We shot for a little while longer on the 100 yrd range. He even cut the head off of a meadow lark right in front of the 100 yrd target.

That old plain Jane Savage would cut holes with those handloads. We loaded the rest of the remingtons into the AR and sprayed them all over Gods creation. At leastwe got some brass out of the deal.

CZguy
May 15, 2013, 10:45 PM
He even cut the head off of a meadow lark right in front of the 100 yrd target

I'm reminded of the time when, as a young boy I shot a bird with a .22. My Dad made me field dress it and cook it, and for awhile I thought I was going to have to eat it.

I learned from that experience.

Old Dog Man
May 16, 2013, 12:31 AM
I've used these shooting prairie dogs for years 1000's and never had a problem. Shooting a Rem. 581 bolt gun, but friend had an automatic and he had some FTF, they were old bullets and he shot mine with no problems. May be a storage issue. Al

hovercat
May 16, 2013, 06:23 AM
Perhaps the twist rate on your buddy's rifle was not right to stabilize that weight of bullet?

Bruno2
May 16, 2013, 09:36 AM
There was only 3 gr difference in the bullet weight. 53 gr Sierras and 55 gr Remmy.

22-rimfire
May 16, 2013, 04:56 PM
It's pretty much the worst ammo ever.

The older Remington golden bullets did tend to have some FTF's. If you shoot semi-auto's all the time, that got old. Most people are having very good luck and preformance from the "new and improved" golden bullets. They cost more than the old stuff.

Remington 22LR's used to be my go to ammo for years and years and I didn't like Federal. That all changed. I have yet to figure out when all the duds started happening, but the dud rate was fairly high and not from the occasional lot. I'm thinking the dud rate really became noticeable around 1995 or so.

I still shoot them. I probably have 5-10K rounds on hand that date prior to 1995.

Other than this, I think they shoot very well and were always less expensive than CCI.

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