"I shot 4 or 5 deer a day. I used a 22 LR"


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Savage99
May 12, 2013, 11:13 PM
What do you think of this post I found on another forum?

"I shot 4 or 5 deer a day. I used a 22 LR with hollow points and solids, used heart and lung shots..I rode my horse to within 25 to 30 yards and shot each deer twice with my Win. 63 and immediatly rode off. I made about a 4 mile circle each day or so..As long as I just rode off then they would lay down and some continued to graze after being shot!!"

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rondog
May 12, 2013, 11:14 PM
I believe that's called Bravo Sierra.

Texan Scott
May 12, 2013, 11:58 PM
He was probably just showin' off by gettin' that close. I don't mess around like that. I just test the wind with a wet finger, lick my front sight post to cut the glare, shoot 'em through the eyeball from about 200 yards, and ride on.

'Course, through the eyeball's 'bout the only way t'kill a Texas moose with a .22.

Kachok
May 13, 2013, 06:27 AM
Sounds like that guy needs to be shot! Taking body shots on deer with a 22LR is about as unethical as any practice I am aware of.

jmr40
May 13, 2013, 07:02 AM
Not that I condone what he did. But I have no doubts about his the ability to do so. There is an area near home criss crossed by at least 100 miles of biking/walking/horseback riding trails. It is covered up in deer. I can run or ride my bike on the trails and see dozens of deer each day. They are so used to people they will move just enough to get out of your way. If I wanted to I could easily shoot that many a day with a 22 pistol carried in a pack.

I know a lot of "night hunters" who have always prefered a cheap 22 because it is quieter and does not attract a lot of attention when shot at night. If they toss into the woods to avoid being caught poaching they haven't lost much. Based on their experiences it puts down deer very well at close range.

Lloyd Smale
May 13, 2013, 07:08 AM
I dont call anyone a lier except to his face. Just the way I was raised. I have no doubt it could be done but i cant see any situation where it would need to be done. I shoot alot of deer each year myself but take pride in using the proper tool to do it. I also dont believe in the ethics argument. If its legal its none of my business how someone does something but in this case i think the poster should have enough sense to keep it to himself as anti hunters read these posts. One thing else to keep in mind that theres a big differnce in hunting and culling deer. In many places hogs are shot to just get rid of them. Lots of people shoot them and let them run off to die and arent chastised for doing it. Deer in some places can be just as much of a problem to farmers crops. So i guess you have to tell me what the differnce is. Same goes for groundhogs and prarie dogs. Most people shooting them dont get wound up about one or two running off wounded so I guess you have to explain to me what the diffence is. Im sure pigs and PDogs suffer just as much as deer do. Another thing to keep in mind in this guys defense is hes a step above most rifleman and probably could outshoot most of us. Is it less ethical for him to shoot a deer in the heart with a 22 then some here to blase away at 400 yards and gut shoot deer with a 7mag?? I tend to go the other way if anything and use a gun bigger then what I need to cull deer. I figure that if i loose a couple lbs of meat each time its no big deal and doing so insures that the deer dont suffer but believe it or not i take flack for that on these fourms too. Lastly if you read this on another fourm and are posting here kind of behind his back maybe you should at least if you cant say it to his face post your disagreement on the fourm you read it on.

WoodchuckAssassin
May 13, 2013, 07:24 AM
I'd be careful how much I boast about killing/shooting deer with a .22 - I know that it's pretty illegal in a lot of states. And what about "They just kept grazing after they were shot"? Sounds just as bad as spraying deer with birdshot. All those deer have to look forward to is infection, and a slow death. It's a waist of ammo and a waist of good meat.

Art Eatman
May 13, 2013, 08:29 AM
No telling what you'll run across on the Internet. Generally, such stories aren't worth worrying about.

True story, though: My grandfather knew very little about guns. He had only an el cheapo .22 rifle, used for varmints around the hen house.

However, returning home from his school principal job one day, he looked into the pasture below the house and saw a small buck. He took the .22 and then worked his elderly plow horse slowly toward the deer. At fairly close range, he shot the deer. I know no more about it, other than the deer died and wound up as table meat. This would have been sometime in 1942. His one and only deer.

MCgunner
May 13, 2013, 08:30 AM
He's on crack

Patocazador
May 13, 2013, 09:08 AM
One of my in-laws said that he never wanted to go deer hunting because he got his "fill" having to stay up all night and shoot deer when he farmed watermelons in south Florida. There was a drought going on and they irrigated their 80 acres of melons so every night the deer invaded the field and ate the vines. To save the crop he said he killed over 100 deer using a .22 while shining them from the tractor. Then he had to dig a hole with the bulldozer to bury them so the law wouldn't bust him.
I think it's true.

Certaindeaf
May 13, 2013, 09:09 AM
I'd about turn him in.. send the link to the fish and game. They'll find him.
I heard that some people got in big doodoo bragging on the internet about how they killed all kinds of raptors that'd kill their pigeons. This stuff happens.

Arkansas Paul
May 13, 2013, 09:21 AM
What do you think of this post I found on another forum?

I can't post what I think on THR. That oughta tell you.

j1
May 13, 2013, 09:24 AM
I just got "Bravo Sierra." Excellent comment, sir.:)

rondog
May 13, 2013, 10:21 AM
A .22lr will certainly kill a deer, if you make a head shot. I used to know a guy, now deceased, who told of poaching deer with a .22 rifle this way, said he'd pop 'em in the ear and down they'd go. Guess when you're poor and hungry, and live in a remote area, ethics sometimes take a back seat to eating.

Sam1911
May 13, 2013, 10:31 AM
One of my in-laws said that he never wanted to go deer hunting because he got his "fill" having to stay up all night and shoot deer when he farmed watermelons in south Florida. There was a drought going on and they irrigated their 80 acres of melons so every night the deer invaded the field and ate the vines. To save the crop he said he killed over 100 deer using a .22 while shining them from the tractor. Then he had to dig a hole with the bulldozer to bury them so the law wouldn't bust him.
I think it's true.
You know, if you have a crop depredation permit it becomes perfectly lawful/ethical to kill very large numbers of deer that threaten your crops.

I know several landowners who have found such permits to be very helpful. Seems I've eaten a lot of those evil thieving deer over the years. Plenty more than I've shot in "sport."

Arkansas Paul
May 13, 2013, 10:34 AM
Guess when you're poor and hungry, and live in a remote area, ethics sometimes take a back seat to eating.

Agreed.
I would turn in a poacher in a heartbeat if he was doing it for sport. But if a man's hungry and trying to get food, it's none of my business.

Carl N. Brown
May 13, 2013, 10:43 AM
I don't know about Bravo Sierra story, but it would make a great SyFy channel movie of the week. Rancher disgruntled by the pestilence of over-populated deer goes on a vigilante rampage, shooting 4 or 5 deer a day. Coyote scavenge the deer, increase in population, then when they cease finding free deer carcases (the deer have been depopulated) the coyotes start beseiging ranches at night. There are worse things than Bravo Sierra stories: there are SyFy channel movies of the week.

Guess when you're poor and hungry, and live in a remote area, ethics sometimes take a back seat to eating.
In the area of the old homeplace in the 1950s, deer had practically disappeared and no-one I knew as a kid went deerhunting. Old folks told me something called the Great Depression caused it. Recent decades though, the deer population has bounced back and deer season finds hunters in the woods in greater numbers it seems every year. I guess the stock market crash of 1929 squashed a lot of deer.

My uncles put down their hogs for slaughter using a Savage .22 bolt-action rifle. With butcher's knowledge of animal anatomy and mortality, the .22 is weapon enough.

tahunua001
May 13, 2013, 10:48 AM
I could believe it. animals react a bit differently to horses than pickups. some animals just don't know better, especially in areas that are only accessable by horseback where the animals don't have a lot of human interaction. if the fellow was killing 3-4 deer a day then I'm guessing that they were severely overpopulated and he was thinning populations out. a starving animal isn't going to run from anything unless it knows for sure that it's being targeted, they just don't have the strength for more than a few short bursts to try and escape predators. growing up dirt poor in montana we ate almost nothing but game meat, home ground flour and garden veggies. living on the reservation it was not hard to ask some indian friends to go out and get us something, most of them hunted year round anyway and did it regardless of whether they were going to use the meat or not... the weapon of choice was almost always a 22lr and we rarely got a animal with ruined meat.

when I read stories like that it is easy to think that it's just BS but I also know that anything is possible. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind really killing deer in the number claimed and just letting them rot unless it was for population control but that's probably a topic for another thread.

CoRoMo
May 13, 2013, 10:54 AM
Sounds like that guy needs to be shot! Taking body shots on deer with a 22LR is about as unethical as any practice I am aware of.
For making a wild claim? Even if true? The man should be executed? This is the worst human behavior you've ever been made aware of?

I recall a number of true life cases of small child kidnappings that proceeded into numerous rapes and brutal torture then eventually concluded in horrific murder. The darkest evils that I've come across makes poaching deer look like charity. Google 'young girl kidnapped raped tortured murdered'. What you find will make you wish evil men would ONLY shoot deer with rimfire rifles.

Savage99
May 13, 2013, 11:18 AM
Here is what I wrote in response to the subject post:

"Atkinson wrote:

"I shot 4 or 5 deer a day. I used a 22 LR with hollow points and solids, used heart and lung shots..I rode my horse to within 25 to 30 yards and shot each deer twice with my Win. 63 and immediatly rode off. I made about a 4 mile circle each day or so..As long as I just rode off then they would lay down and some continued to graze after being shot!!"


What you wrote is not sporting or good hunting!

Just think how those poor deer suffered while slowly dying!

That's why the .22's are not even legal.

"Use enough gun.""

tahunua001
May 13, 2013, 11:19 AM
Sounds like that guy needs to be shot! Taking body shots on deer with a 22LR is about as unethical as any practice I am aware of.
I agree that this is a little bit of a over reaction to what we don't even know is poaching. there is just not enough information to tell if he was a game warden or contractor performing lawful population control or if he's some old timer that did it before there ever was hunting licenses and tags in his state.

also hunting ethics are about the farthest thing from an exact science as you can get. there is nothing unethical about hunting with a 22lr as long as you make good hits montana has no caliber restrictions for hunting and as I have already stated I have seen dozens of animals killed with a 22lr and almost none of them were head shots. what you may find unethical is not necessarily what someone else may find unethical. I've seen guys claim that 300 win mag is the best deer rifle around and called me unethical for using a 243... nough said...

303tom
May 13, 2013, 11:37 AM
I believe that's called Bravo Sierra.
I still sat we need a like button !...............

Certaindeaf
May 13, 2013, 12:03 PM
So if he shot them twice with a 30-06 and rode off it'd be all better?

CoRoMo
May 13, 2013, 12:05 PM
That's why the .22's are not even legal.
Not entirely true. I know of at least one state off the top of my head where .22lr rimfire is a legal method of taking big game.

huntsman
May 13, 2013, 12:12 PM
The Win 63 is a hell of a rifle and not likely something a wanton killer would use, whether you like it or not there's still sustenance hunting going on and a fundamental right IMHO

Certaindeaf
May 13, 2013, 12:14 PM
Some states are very unpopulated. Good luck to the game warden in all regards, including seeing if you're using a .22 (oh my!). It's up to us to police our own.. I'd drop a dime on this scumbag if for nothing more than to discourage anti's from perhaps using this tactic.. all hunters (hunters use guns) are scum and must be disarmed.

DammitBoy
May 13, 2013, 12:16 PM
You know, if you have a crop depredation permit it becomes perfectly lawful/ethical to kill very large numbers of deer that threaten your crops.



My wife's family has a cotton farm in alabama where we did just that on a regular basis using .22 rifles.

Certaindeaf
May 13, 2013, 12:21 PM
The Win 63 is a hell of a rifle and not likely something a wanton killer would use, whether you like it or not there's still sustance hunting going on and a fundamental right IMHO
But he wasn't hunting at all, he was riding off if you were to read the original post.

Kachok
May 13, 2013, 12:29 PM
He might not be lying, I lived in one area where the deer were darn near domesticated. They would not eat out of your hand or anything but I have walked within 30 yards of a few deer, and while they would not go in the back yard with a full grown boxer keeping watch they would come right up to the fence right in front of him.

huntsman
May 13, 2013, 12:29 PM
he was riding off if you were to read the original post.

yep and it didn't say what his intentions were or whether he retrieved his kills.

Certaindeaf
May 13, 2013, 12:34 PM
yep and it didn't say what his intentions were or whether he retrieved his kills.
Nor did I. It is not for us to investigate, though I certainly like a good yarn as well as the next guy.. we have whole agencies who's sole existence is to investigate such shenanigans.

Eb1
May 13, 2013, 12:37 PM
I would agree with Arkansas Paul, but I guess that's because being from Arkansas myself, I know of a few families down south that need the food. And if that is what it is, then it is none of my business. A man's gotta eat and provide for his family.

huntsman
May 13, 2013, 01:07 PM
we have whole agencies who's sole existence is to investigate such shenanigans.

Not in Ohio, I've called about poaching and IF you didn't witness they're not interested. I believe that DNR sole existence is their pensions after putting the time.

Certaindeaf
May 13, 2013, 01:36 PM
Not in Ohio, I've called about poaching and IF you didn't witness they're not interested. I believe that DNR sole existence is their pensions after putting the time.
That's the spirit. I understand witnessing and we haven't witnessed anything. Things happen on the side of the man though.. unless you lie flat there like a defensive slug. nevermind

T.R.
May 13, 2013, 04:32 PM
I'm certain that many deer are killed each year with the 22LR by game thieves. Eventually, nearly all of them get caught and convicted.

TR

Eb1
May 13, 2013, 05:01 PM
I am certain a lot get shot by game wardens using .22LR. You going to prosecute them, too.

Speculation on the internet is just out of control.

Arkansas Paul
May 13, 2013, 05:29 PM
Eventually, nearly all of them get caught and convicted.

In Pennsylvania maybe, not in the backwoods of Arkansas.
There are counties I would bet have more deer shot at night than during season legally. I stay away from those places. Those hillbillies are crazy.

Cosmoline
May 13, 2013, 05:46 PM
You can kill almost anything with a .22LR. They're the very best tool for poachers who want to keep things quiet. The ethical issues are not important to these folks.

H&Hhunter
May 13, 2013, 06:45 PM
Savage,

Ole "Atkinson" is a well known BS'er. He's been caught in many lies I wouldn't spend to much time worrying about it. I just ignore him.

His latest big fat sloppy one that he got caught on was him claiming to be a principle consultant to the Rhodesian (Zimbabwean) Game department in regards to their wild life Blue tongue epidemic (or maybe it was amthrax) but in either case he got caught big time on that one. The Zimabawean parks guy who DID work on the project, Gyanana, who just happens to be on the site staff where you found that post called ole Atkinson's bluff. Atkinson huffed and he puffed and he took his ball and he went home for about a year. He just recently started posting over there again.

That was the third or fourth whooper I've seen him caught up in and the third or fourth time that he left in a huff promising to never come back. Some of his other dubious claims are that he was hunting in Kenya in the 50's, the facts indicate otherwise, that he is the most experienced buffalo hunter alive today, the facts indicate otherwise, that he has shot cape buffalo with just about every imaginable caliber and rifle, you name it and he's shot a buff with it, that he once owned a 5Lb or 5.5 lb or 6LB or 4.8LB .500 Jeffery it just depends on the day and what weight he needs it to be for his argument.

He also challenges folks to fight him when they disagree with him or call him on his BS. The list goes on and on...

Are you getting the big picture?

ldlfh7
May 15, 2013, 02:05 PM
Just because you should not use 22 on deer does not mean you cannot. 22 can take lots of game with the right placement but I agree with everyone else that a body shot with 22 is a bit cruel.

LeonCarr
May 15, 2013, 02:12 PM
The saying goes that the .30/30 has killed more deer than any other rifle.

I disagree. It has probably killed more LEGAL deer than any other rifle. I would almost bet money that the .22LR has killed more deer than anything else.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

huntsman
May 15, 2013, 03:04 PM
but I agree with everyone else that a body shot with 22 is a bit cruel.


Worse than being shot with an arrow? a kill shot is a kill shot and everything else is just wounding.

Arkansas Paul
May 15, 2013, 03:43 PM
Worse than being shot with an arrow?

Yes, I believe it is much worse than being shot with an arrow. An arrow leaves a wound channel of over an inch diameter. Big difference.

Patocazador
May 15, 2013, 04:03 PM
Worse than being shot with an arrow? a kill shot is a kill shot and everything else is just wounding.
As any successful bowhunter knows, sometimes the deer don't even react to being hit. I've shot several that just did a small jump and then went back to feeding and fall over dead 20 seconds later. I doubt that they hardly feel it. A gut shot is cruel with any weapon or caliber, however I think an arrow is more lethal with a gut shot than a gun. Some of those vessels are cut and they perish quicker imo.

huntsman
May 15, 2013, 07:04 PM
No doubt an arrow is more effective at cutting and creating bleed out but you also have to believe a bigger object moving slower when penetrating will cause more initial pain, IMHO a suppressed .22lr rifle in the hands of a skilled marksman would be as humane a deer killer as bow but has less margin of error in shot placement.

Art Eatman
May 15, 2013, 07:36 PM
See Posts #29 and #39.

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