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Gordon
May 20, 2013, 09:09 PM
Santa Baby, please come in May!:what:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mad-Dog-Limited-Edition-Bloody-Basin-Knife-/181144079252?

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JShirley
May 21, 2013, 10:04 PM
Sorry, Kevin's stuff does nothing for me.

Sam Cade
May 21, 2013, 10:19 PM
I don't see the appeal either.


I had an ATAK. It was meh so I sold it and made $200.

JShirley
May 21, 2013, 10:41 PM
Well, let me give some explanation.

I think Kevin
>Is a poser and a liar. (See Dark Genius)
>Puts finger grooves on almost all his blades (with almost no exceptions, finger grooves raise hot spots and blisters if you chop for more than a few minutes).
>Overcharges.
>Has had significant blade failures he blamed on counterfeit knives, space aliens, and the tester- anywhere but on his own work.

So, in a nutshell, here's someone whose word and product cannot be trusted, despite the premium charged- and I think most of his designs look like a 14-y/o designed them, anyway.

John

Gordon
May 21, 2013, 10:49 PM
"so I sold it and made $200."
That fact says quite alot! How many other knives have you done that with? Not unless you bought Loveless or Bagwell back in the 70s. Hint; the people who do buy MD knives aren't generally stupid;)
If I could get this knife for less than 1k I'll do it, but that would be a snowballs chance in hell. I'll bet it goes twice that almost.
What you get with Kevin's knives is absolutely flawless flat grind lines. Rockwell tested differential heat treat with a 62or 63C edge of Starrett O1 shoved into an unbreakable laid up handle . Each blade is bent to almost 90 degrees before final 3000 grit sharpening and a very high tech hard chroming and must return absolutely true.
I have used his knives hard, my friends have used his knives hard and even some unfriends of Kevin admit he makes the "best" knives.:p My son has used them as tools on the Alvin and Jason robotic arms at 10,000 meters depth and nothing else could compare with what they do down there, and that is supportable fact.
So pricey, and look like ugly cheap kitchen knives maybe, but for doing what a knife is supposed to do - matchless IMHO. But to each his own. I like Sam's Camp Defender and showed it to Kevin who said it was nice, even tho I stained and almost pitted the blade using it for Barbques for a few months.

Sam Cade
May 21, 2013, 11:22 PM
That fact says quite alot!


It shows that Mr.McClung has successfully advertized his products to not only yourself, but to at least one rural teenager with too much money.



How many other knives have you done that with?

Several.

Sam Cade
May 21, 2013, 11:25 PM
>Has had significant blade failures he blamed on counterfeit knives, space aliens, and the tester- anywhere but on his own work.

Was it Stamp or Noss that kept breaking the bigg'un?

JShirley
May 22, 2013, 12:16 AM
Gordon, I am being utterly sincere when I say that I'm glad Kevin's knives have worked for you and yours. Different strokes, and all.

I don't trust the man who wrote this ( http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Dark-Genius/Kevin-McClung/e/9781561291427?z=y&itm=1). I also don't know how truly fair it is to discuss Kevin's perfect heat treatment when, so far as I know, you're getting the information from him...and he's already proven to be "less than reliable". (Kevin also claimed to mix his blood with every batch of steel, too. Yeah, it's been 14 years since he wrote that, but it's not the type of thing to forget.)

Ultimately, what matters most is if your knives do what you want, and you're happy with them.

Gordon
May 22, 2013, 12:17 AM
It was a really unkewl schmendreck that has been widely discredited. Now don't get me wrong, Kevin is not a friendly person to get along with. He has been completely honest in his dealings with me and others I know for 15 years. The "teenager with lotsa money " that don't really exist except in your mind are actually, soldiers, cops and collectors, hunters and the odd knife freaks.Idon't know any teenagers who can pony up thebread do you ? Seems the folks around here think a Bench Made is a large investment and shudder at the thought of buying one of your great bargain blades for a coiuple hundred (except me! :D)BTW Kevin has never had a big add campaign or hookede onto superstar endorsement like say Mickey S has :neener: and runs a very low key one man shop. He has had trouble when folks worked for him and he is not evergoingdownthatroad.
Sorry but when you sight down any MD blade the symetry is perfect, not just close as your knives or even Steven Fowlers are. And they are made by hand like yours are , not machined out . Like I said the test at the bottom of the ocean that they proved themselves superior to any other blade yet tried has got to mean something. Kevins sheaths are the best sheaths I have ever come across in my 45 years of checking out quality sheaths (Kydex ones since I got my first Blade Tech in 1985); Perfect retension with minimal material and dang near bullet proof. But to each their own , some people love love fabric material handle wraps,the latest and greatest "stainless" steels with hollow grinds and weird blade shapes from mars with painted on colors- go figure :banghead:

Valkman
May 22, 2013, 12:23 AM
There's a few knifemakers I won't do business with and he's one of them. Nuff said, but John summed it up.

Sam Cade
May 22, 2013, 12:27 AM
The "teenager with lotsa money " that don't really exist except in your mind are actually, soldiers, cops and collectors, hunters and the odd knife freaks.I don't know any teenagers who can pony up the bread do you ?

Whut?

Wait..so I didn't sell my knife to a teenage boy?

What was he, some sort of trans-dimensional slug beast who only appeared to be a teenage boy via the use of some sort of eldritch holo-projection technology?

I guess I should tell his dad.

JShirley
May 22, 2013, 12:35 AM
Gordon, I wasn't trying to compare the knives Sam Owens' turning out against Kevin's. Sam's been making knives for 2 years. His handles are as at least as good as any knives I've handled- and, yes, that includes a few knives worth thousands. In only two years of part-time knifemaking.

I'm glad your experiences with Kevin have been positive.

John

Gordon
May 25, 2013, 02:32 PM
Well this IS a little over the top, read the interesting little story tho, Even in a junk yard with somebody who had no clue....:cool:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1st-Mad-Dog-Hell-Hound-Fighting-Knife-/121115893150?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item1c3311dd9e
the knife (or one of) used by Steven Seagal in Under Siege 2; Dark Territory sold for $10,000

BTW the Bloody Basin will go around $2500 it looks like. Out of this mall ninja teenagers budget, darn it!:(

Sam Cade
May 25, 2013, 02:40 PM
I don't trust the man who wrote this ( http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Dark-Genius/Kevin-McClung/e/9781561291427?z=y&itm=1).

Oh.


Oh my. :eek:



McClung is the Whitley Strieber of knives it seems.

PRM
May 25, 2013, 08:15 PM
$1,625.00 for a knife???:what::what::what: I would clean the stone good after sharpening - that metal residue exceeds the cost of pre-ban elephant ivory dust.

Somebody wants to go that route - enjoy. For me - No Thanks, I'll keep my reasonably priced knives in use, and my money reserved for other things.

Double_J
May 25, 2013, 09:13 PM
I don't really care for that knife. For the price being charged I can get several good knives, or a custom knife from a maker who will not hide behind the "proprietary heat treat/selection process/other mumbo jumbo" stuff that Mad Dog knives seems to love. I am not a mall ninja who has to have the "elite" stuff. My everyday knife is a kershaw folder, my camp knife is either an old kabar, machete, or a gerber fixed blade (I don't remember the model) depending on what ends up in the bag. I know a few things about knife making and heat treating from working in a machine shop, and I can tell when someone is using buzz words to make something sound more impressive than it is. That is the case here, and I don't care for it.

O2 steel, which is what Kevin uses is nothing fancy. It is a plain steel that has been around for a long time and is used by a fair number of people. The scale/handle material does not impress me that much as I can meet most of his specifications myself (electrical engineer with a little bit of materials engineering experience), and I don't really care for the blade profile. They don't really look that productive for use/abuse that I would put a fixed blade knife through in a given weekend of camping/fishing/hunting.

JTW Jr.
May 26, 2013, 12:22 PM
Years ago I worked at a gun shop here in the Vegas Valley ( Nevada Custom & Concealed Weapons) , this was before I was really into knives.

We had at least 6-10 Mad Dog knives in stock at all times , until we did a show like SOF.
After the first day of that show , every knife was sold. Nobody dickered on price, they sold themselves ( as did the Gun Glove kydex ).

Having only talked to Kevin himself twice, his answers were always short, he never hyped his product to us, and I don't recall any major ad campaigns or anything. All done by word of mouth by his customers. And the feedback I heard from customers was always favorable.

I only owned one, the Frequent Flyer....wish I kept it.

As far as his book , who knows...never read it , maybe I should...

but now adays there are makers out there with youtube channels, videos and crazy made up persona's that people flock too...yet somehow people look at that differently.

Like him or hate him, he has been in the game for many years and has survived. I don't see that changing.

Don't recall him knocking off others designs like some other wrongly top rated makers either.....

If I had the $$$$ , I would scoop up a Voodoo Frog or Pygmy Atak II....

I do know where there are a bunch of old skool MD's including ceramics holed up from when the shop closed and am trying to get access to those.... :)

Gordon
May 30, 2013, 07:13 PM
Holy teenage mall Ninja! They sold it for $2900 !:D

Sam Cade
May 30, 2013, 07:40 PM
They sold it for $2900

Imagine a world in which the utility of a knife had a direct relationship to its price.

Gordon
May 30, 2013, 09:59 PM
well there is zero bling on the knife,Kydex sheaths and a plastic handle with no silver conchos and only a thin polished section on the cheap carbon steel blade. Yet quite a few folks bid on the thing pretty large bread.
Really if you don't know ya don't know and I certainly can see the other point of views. I think I will post pictures of my Stephan Fowler collection. His knives are certainly handsomer, forged uniquely and not as expensive, yet.

JTW Jr.
May 31, 2013, 12:09 AM
When I saw what "Loveless shop" knives not even made by Loveless were bringing , nothing surprises me anymore.

Was the knife sold overpriced ? Nope , cause it sold. If it didn't sell at an asking price , either it is over priced or the right buyers haven't seen it yet.

JShirley
May 31, 2013, 12:15 AM
Hey, I've handled Mad Dog knives. <Shrug.> I'd take a Breed, Wilson, Fowler, or even a $150 Greco first. But I guess that's why there's more than one knife maker.

I'd absolutely take a Busse over a MD every day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

I do think suggesting that if we don't love MD knives we don't "know" is just plain silly.

John

CWL
May 31, 2013, 07:26 PM
Hey! Don't go knocking those $150 Grecos! I've got a few, even a $300 one and they're meant to be used. ;)

Speaking of K. McClung, he was one of the first to use "space age" materials in his knife-making, items that are commonplace nowadays like kydex, G10 scales, hard chroming and even ceramics. His knives are good ... but the prices he charges for them... sheesh!

No $3,000 tool steel knife is going to cut any better than a $300 tool steel knife that has had a good heat-treat & grind. Buyers of his knives need to understand that the majority of the price is based on demand, and not expect any sort of magical performance by paying this premum.

I also knew him back when he identified himself as an "aeronautical engineer", which I could believe.

JTW Jr.
May 31, 2013, 08:00 PM
Buyers of his knives need to understand that the majority of the price is based on demand

That could be said for any of the custom makers out there as well. Buyers are aware of this , they buy what they want with their $$$.

CWL
May 31, 2013, 08:14 PM
I don't really care what people pay for their knives, but not everyone understands that price doesn't equal performance.

I've met a few in person and seen way too many people online who think that paying "X" amount for a knife means that they'll be able to get "Y" amount of some magical mystical performance out of it.

This includes the "What is the BEST knife?" people (same goes for firearms, ammunition, etc.)

They don't understand that an object only performs as well as the knowledge, experience and skillset of the User.

JShirley
May 31, 2013, 11:04 PM
CWL,

I like John G just fine. Spent one Blade show mostly hanging out with him. Think I'm down to just one Greco bowie, though.

John

Gordon
May 31, 2013, 11:50 PM
I use Grecos like bargain blades. They won't break, that is for sure but few of them have that fine flat grind that enables an easy slicing edge.I LIKE Grecos alot for 20 years or so.They surely are the most knife for the money IMHO.
BTW Kevins prices have moved up lately, I think an ATAK is $800 for instance, but they resell for about twice that.

Sam Cade
June 1, 2013, 12:32 AM
I like John G just fine.

...Greco Knives about an hour from my house.

Might be a good road trip.

JTW Jr.
June 1, 2013, 01:42 AM
I know many people who buy knives and claim they are the best ever , yet they have never used them to cut open more than a piece of mail or perhaps a UPS package....

Others buy for the collection factor , to hope to make $$$ on a resell later....

then there are those that buy just for the "cool thing to have factor"....

The same also goes for firearms , I have friends who claim their Glock ( that they might have 500 rounds thru over many years ) is more reliable than my Para P14 with over 70,000 rounds thru it....

People buy for different reasons, neither reason is better than the other....

Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder....

All one can do is buy what they like.....

Me, I just struck a deal for a Hossom DogTag , to replace the one I stupidly sold years ago...

JShirley
June 1, 2013, 06:02 AM
Ooh! Is it in 3V? Please start a thread when you get it.

Sam Cade
June 1, 2013, 11:16 AM
I use Grecos like bargain blades.

Laying carpet? :scrutiny:

Gordon
June 1, 2013, 10:50 PM
Although still not too old to engage in many activities, I don't lay carpet as I don't like rug burns. :neener:
No I throw Greco Whisper boot knives in every pack and vehicle cubby, I have 5 of them and a couple MST s , I too have a couple of his little Bowies and a custom stag horn /searles mini hatchet- Bowie combo that I love and take on Elk Hunts over the years.
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