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C0untZer0
May 21, 2013, 10:58 AM
URGENT ALERT – YOUR IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED

MAGAZINE BAN ON THE MOVE IN THE ILLINOIS SENATE



Anti-gun extremist State Senator Dan Kotowski has introduced a ban on all magazines having a capacity exceeding 10 rounds. The bill (SB1002) banning magazines also requires large fines and prison sentences if you are caught with magazines for AR-15 and other modern sporting rifles.

SB1002 IS A BOLD AND BRAZEN ATTACK ON THE 2ND AMENDMENT:

1. SB1002 will have no effect on the criminal use of firearms yet will infringe on the right of law-abiding citizen’s constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

2. SB1002 is a backdoor way to limit your ability to defend yourself and family under the upcoming Illinois concealed carry law.

3. SB1002 is the first step towards the banning of semiautomatic rifles, pistols and shotguns.

BLOOMBERG AND THE GUN GRABBERS WILL PUSH HARD TO GET SB1002 PASSED

Magazine bans are on the top of gun controllers’ wish list this year. They want to see Illinois join with the likes of New York, Maryland, California, and now Colorado in the destruction of the 2nd Amendment.

ONLY YOU HAVE THE POWER TO STOP SB1002. ACT NOW OR LOSE ANOTHER CHUNK OF YOUR GUN RIGHTS!

Here is what you need to do to stop SB1002:

1. Call your State Senator and politely tell the person who answers the phone that you are a law-abiding Illinois firearm owner and that you oppose SB1002 and you expect the Senator to vote against the bill when it comes to the floor. If you do not know who your State Senator is, the Illinois State Board of Elections has an interactive search page here:

www.elections.state.il.us/DistrictLocator/DistrictOfficialSearchByAddress.aspx

If you already know who your State Senator is and just need the contact info, you can find that here: www.ilga.gov/senate/.

2. When you call your Senator’s office, you may hear all kinds of nonsense about how SB1002 will not affect law-abiding gun owners. Politely tell the person that you are not interested in hearing that, you are only interested in seeing SB1002 defeated.

3. Pass this alert on to your friends and family and tell them to make calls as well.

4. Post this alert to any and all Internet blogs or bulletin boards to which you may belong.

5. Help keep ISRA on the frontlines of this fight for your rights, go the extra mile and recruit a new ISRA member. Sign them up over the phone at 815-635-3198, or browse to isra.org/join .

SPECIAL NOTICE: DO NOT call Senator Kotowski unless he is your Senator, and even then be very careful. Kotowski has a track record of having the State Police investigate and harass people who disagree with him.

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C0untZer0
May 21, 2013, 12:03 PM
Today's proceedings can be followed here:

http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=37879


You can find your Illinois senator here:

http://gis.elections.il.gov/map_viewer_update/default.aspx

or here:

http://www.capwiz.com/nra/state/main/?state=IL&view=myofficials


You can watch the Illinois Senate live at:

http://www.ilga.gov/senate/audvid.asp

or

http://new.livestream.com/blueroomstream

MErl
May 21, 2013, 12:07 PM
happen to have a link to the bill text? I'd love to compare the verbiage to the CO bill.

Shinbone
May 21, 2013, 12:19 PM
The "Special Notice" makes me sick. Sends that State Police out to harass people that disagree with him. :fire:

Trent
May 21, 2013, 12:35 PM
Word from Springfield is several Republican senators are flipping sides to vote for this, in order to garner support for "shall issue" being passed.

This sucks.

I feel like I'm getting thrown under a bus, for the state to get out of a problem that they started in the first place.

Trent
May 21, 2013, 12:37 PM
Also this does NOT have home-rule provisioning so it only needs a simple majority to pass.

Unlike Shall Issue, where we need a super majority to override home rule, override a governor veto, and prevent Chicago from passing something more strict.

OC_
May 21, 2013, 01:00 PM
Just listened to senator Dan Kotowski this morning on 560AM and he was talking about the magazine ban. Other than that, he was questioned about his comparison of guns to teddy bears in which he replied, and I’m paraphrasing here - 'teddy bears are regulated to not have parts fall off, catch on fire, have sharp edges and so on. When they set up this safety/inspection committee in 1972, they specifically left out guns. If we could include guns in this safety committee, we could mandate guns have such things as devices to recognize their owners, not go off when dropped, have chamber flags to show their loaded, and have triggers so heavy that children couldn't pull them..'

As we know, some of these devices do not exist or would change guns as we know them. In effect, this would be an all out ban. "A rose by any other name..."

Ryanxia
May 21, 2013, 01:03 PM
Good luck guys, keep up the good fight!

DCP
May 21, 2013, 01:09 PM
I heard they don't have the votes for the ban.

But

They set the rules, change them, cheat, lie and are crooks

This sucks big time

Trent
May 21, 2013, 01:12 PM
Just listened to senator Dan Kotowski this morning on 560AM and he was talking about the magazine ban. Other than that, he was questioned about his comparison of guns to teddy bears in which he replied, and Iím paraphrasing here - 'teddy bears are regulated to not have parts fall off, catch on fire, have sharp edges and so on. When they set up this safety/inspection committee in 1972, they specifically left out guns. If we could include guns in this safety committee, we could mandate guns have such things as devices to recognize their owners, not go off when dropped, have chamber flags to show their loaded, and have triggers so heavy that children couldn't pull them..'

As we know, some of these devices do not exist or would change guns as we know them. In effect, this would be an all out ban. "A rose by any other name..."

Kotowski is an idiot.

Sorry, I know this is THR, and we're supposed to take the high road... but I'm just going to be blunt about it.

He's a flipping idiot.

The guy doesn't know jack-diddly-squat about firearms. He has absolutely NO business drafting or proposing legislation that has anything to DO with firearms. He certainly doesn't have any business representing the gun control movement's agenda in Springfield; every time he debates pro-gun proponents in Springfield he gets his butt handed to him six ways from Sunday.

Which *sort of* works in our favor, admittedly. He's so ignorant of what he's talking about it makes it easy to trip him up. Several times in the committee hearing yesterday he flat out LIED about the bill he, himself, proposed. Now that stupidity is on record.

"Private Possession is not banned" - lie. This is in his bill.

"This won't affect law abiding gun owners" - lie. His language would make me guilty of several hundred (perhaps thousands) of Felonies.

(I say "perhaps thousands" because it's unclear if each individual LINK I have for 50 BMG/etc is considered a high capacity ammunition feeding device since they can be assembled to hold 10+ rounds. If so, those buckets of 50-cal links I have will cost me a LOT of felonies. I've been collecting them off linked 50BMG ammo I've ordered for over 10 years....)

Trent
May 21, 2013, 01:14 PM
I heard they don't have the votes for the ban.

But

They set the rules, change them, cheat, lie and are crooks

This sucks big time

You heard wrong. Todd Vandermyde (NRA lobbyist in Springfield) posted an alert on the illinois carry board today that several Republicans have announced they WILL vote for the ban. It only needs a simple majority to pass.

The Republicans which are switching sides think that this is buying them political favor to pass "Shall Issue", with the Chicago Machine.

If you think there's nothing to worry about, you REALLY need to think twice and pick up the damn phone to call your reps in Springfield.

THIS ban is going to come DAMN UNCOMFORTABLY close to passing this week.

DCP
May 21, 2013, 01:22 PM
You heard wrong. Todd Vandermyde (NRA lobbyist in Springfield) posted an alert on the illinois carry board today that several Republicans have announced they WILL vote for the ban. It only needs a simple majority to pass.

The Republicans which are switching sides think that this is buying them political favor to pass "Shall Issue", with the Chicago Machine.

If you think there's nothing to worry about, you REALLY need to think twice and pick up the damn phone to call your reps in Springfield.

THIS ban is going to come DAMN UNCOMFORTABLY close to passing this week.

Really
I am on your side.
I already made my call.
Keep your head man

Trent
May 21, 2013, 01:26 PM
Really
I am on your side.
I already made my call.
Keep your head man

Sorry, wasn't trying to single you out or anything.

Just a bit .. nervous today.

Too many Illinois Gun owners have got "accustomed" to the (incorrect) stance that a magazine or assault weapon ban can't happen here due to the downstate contingent. And it's tough to get people motivated to actually CALL when they think there is no real danger.

Usually, they'd be right. But this time, there's a really dark cloud over Springfield.. and it isn't a thunderstorm brewing.

Those parents from Sandy Hook visiting Springfield yesterday, and all the press it garnered, actually made an impact.

Still, we outnumbered the anti's 753 to 8 on witness slips filed at yesterday's committee hearing. There's quite a lot of people starting to take note that this is getting serious.

DCP
May 21, 2013, 01:34 PM
We are all. Just a bit .. nervous today.

These are just really strange times.

rdhood
May 21, 2013, 04:11 PM
The Republicans which are switching sides think that this is buying them political favor to pass "Shall Issue", with the Chicago Machine.

Republicans, both state and federal, get rolled every time making deals like this. When will they learn that the anti's have no honor. They (anti gun) will lie and cheat to get their legislation passed, and then give you (pro gun folks) the finger in the rear view mirror. I could make this mistake much more partisan, but this is THR.

Get rid of ALL Republicans who deal like this on any issue (guns, the budget, immigration, etc). The liberals have no honor, and they will always ask for THEIR goals up front and promise concessions "later on".

Trent
May 21, 2013, 04:16 PM
Same Stuff, Different Day.

House has some excused absences today, we're not expecting any gun stuff to come up.

Senate hasn't called any gun stuff, but there's a lot of us listening. :)

straitnate14
May 21, 2013, 04:55 PM
Trent I feel your pain, Im watching this from around the world wondering what I will be coming home to, the state I call home or the state that is going to make me a felon... I sent some emails from a deployed IL guardsman's perspective not like it will make a difference...

Trent
May 21, 2013, 05:25 PM
Trent I feel your pain, Im watching this from around the world wondering what I will be coming home to, the state I call home or the state that is going to make me a felon... I sent some emails from a deployed IL guardsman's perspective not like it will make a difference...

You just need to worry about getting home safe, at this point.

We civvies got this. :)

Update as of 3:23 - no action. They don't seem to be in a hurry to get much done today.

C0untZer0
May 22, 2013, 01:12 AM
Sorry MErl, I didn't see that you had asked for a link to the text of the bill until now.

Here is the link to the bill:

http://ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=1002&GAID=12&DocTypeID=SB&LegID=70706&SessionID=85&SpecSess=&Session=&GA=98

It's amendment # 1 to the bill that bans magazines and firearms capable of holding more than 10 rounds:

11 rounds or more is a "Large capacity ammunition feeding device"

http://ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09800SB1002sam001&GA=98&SessionId=85&DocTypeId=SB&LegID=70706&DocNum=1002&GAID=12&Session=

Trent
May 22, 2013, 01:14 AM
Strong indication that these two have flipped sides.

Senate Minority Leader Christine Radogno
Senator deputy minority leader Matt Murphy

This is according to another senator in Springfield, today.

Starting to wish Illinois had recall elections. :(

MErl
May 22, 2013, 10:25 AM
Thanks Count. there is a distinct similarity between the bills but they are not cut/paste. I don't see shotgun limits in the IL one and the "readily converted" from the CO bill was expanded to "readily restored or converted"

I also don't see grandfathering in that first amendment and IL is very concerned about Olympics aren't they.

Trent, I think you'd be a thousand times felon under this one, readily converted implies that links for a belt fed would count individually. Maybe you could plead it down to one felony per group of 11 links. :)

Trent
May 22, 2013, 10:56 AM
Thanks Count. there is a distinct similarity between the bills but they are not cut/paste. I don't see shotgun limits in the IL one and the "readily converted" from the CO bill was expanded to "readily restored or converted"

I also don't see grandfathering in that first amendment and IL is very concerned about Olympics aren't they.

Trent, I think you'd be a thousand times felon under this one, readily converted implies that links for a belt fed would count individually. Maybe you could plead it down to one felony per group of 11 links. :)

There are loopholes in the bill as it is written. They are being careful not to discuss it on il carry, since anti's troll that board. But THR is a little more distant to the epicenter. The thing is, the way it is written, they removed 'possession' as a crime in amendment 1 (or was it 2)... anyway, the crime becomes delivery.

Which means it's completely legal for me to drive to another state, buy a truckload of magazines, and bring them back. So long as I don't then transfer ownership to someone else.

Again.. the reps drafting this junk don't know jack about firearms, and seemingly even less about writing legislation that has the intended effect.

hso
May 22, 2013, 11:46 AM
Folks, let's stay focused on what to do instead complaining.
IL needs help.
Help to track the Anti legislation.
Help to fight the Anti legislation.
Help to track the legislators that support and oppose Anti legislation so they can become the focus of effort to fight the Anti legislation.

If you can't help in some substantive way at least provide moral support, but save the complaining for another forum.

Trent
May 22, 2013, 12:02 PM
Still time to file witness slips for today's committee hearing.

http://my.ilga.gov/WitnessSlip/Create/70706?committeeHearingId=11104&LegislationId=70706&SCommittees5%2F28%2F2013-page=1&committeeid=0&chamber=S&nodays=7&_=1369185277671

If you file a witness slip and want to actually witness...Room 212 scheduled at 10am. Hasn't appeared to start yet.

http://www.ilga.gov/senate/audvid.asp#

Trent
May 22, 2013, 12:04 PM
Currently 1307 oppose, to 9 proponents, on the witness slips.

Trent
May 22, 2013, 12:14 PM
Committee hearing in room 409 is running over, delaying the start of the hearing on this, in room 212

Trent
May 22, 2013, 12:16 PM
Also, since this bill affects out of states traveling through Illinois or doing business with Illinois citizens, I'd like to point out you don't NEED to be an Illinois resident to file a witness slip. Just fill out the details, make sure the oppose box is checked, and check 'record of appearance only'.

Then sit back and listen to the dog and pony show Chicago puts on.

Trent
May 22, 2013, 12:20 PM
Illinois State Police registered as 'proponents'. Interested to hear what they have to say about my dangerous boxes of metal and springs.

You guys should listen to this stuff at least once. The senator proposing the bill (zowtoski) repeatedly called standard capacity magazines 'destructive devices' the other day. Todd Vandermyde, NRA lobbyist, correctly pointed out that the legal definition for DD's is bazookas, rocket launchers, etc.

Didn't matter. He kept calling them destructive devices.

Trent
May 22, 2013, 12:24 PM
Executive committee just called to order. That live stream is active now in room 212

Trent
May 22, 2013, 12:36 PM
Sigh. Zowtowski held the thespian amendment, guess that means sb1002 goes to the floor without the movie industry support.

Committee adjourned.

Guess we wait to see if there is any floor action today.

Trent
May 22, 2013, 12:40 PM
Cullerton got a shell bill out of exec on to the floor. We'll get to see unreviewed floor amendments on that one I'm sure. Another big dog and pony show for test votes, no doubt, like they did in the house awhile back.

Must mean they are unsure of whether they have enough support on passing this, and want a test vote on a throwaway before risking the real bill... or they just want food for attack ads later.

Trent
May 22, 2013, 12:47 PM
To fill those in on what that live shell bill represents..

Cullerton can now add floor amendments to the bill, piecemeal. These floor amendments will NOT go through committee, will NOT get reviewed for legality, will NOT present the opportunity for either side to present witnesses or testimony. They won't get financial or constitutionality review. They will not get a chance for review, generally the amendments don't even get published in time for the actual vote.

It's a very dangerous situation reminiscent of what happened in New York state earlier this year.

longknife12
May 22, 2013, 12:57 PM
Trent, this sounds like the way Co was done......we did get it upped to
15 rds. Frustration is they will listed to no one! Good luck!
Dan

Trent
May 22, 2013, 01:08 PM
Edit disregard, had wrong bill #

Trent
May 22, 2013, 01:12 PM
Here is the bill that was scrapped. We need to keep an eye on it as it is very likely this bill will be used to push a revised magazine ban.

http://ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=3271&GAID=12&GA=98&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=75131&SessionID=85

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