Time to buy a Beretta


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HKGuns
May 21, 2013, 08:52 PM
Beretta made good on its promise.

I didn't see this yet. So apologies if I missed it.

Beretta is GONE (http://www.guns.com/2013/05/17/beretta-announces-plans-to-move-after-maryland-gov-signs-bill/)

The message of the statement is clear: “The idea now of investing additional funds in Maryland and thus rewarding a Government that has insulted our customers and our products is offensive to us so we will take steps to evaluate such investments in other States. At the same time, we will continue our current necessary operations within Maryland and we are thankful for and welcome the continued support of our employees as we do so.”

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SuperNaut
May 21, 2013, 09:17 PM
Outstanding.

Long time Beretta fan, it is good to see a company I like doing the right thing.

Come to Utah Beretta!

AlexanderA
May 21, 2013, 09:31 PM
Wait a minute. I thought the original announcement from Beretta was that they would be relocating their Accokeek, Maryland, facility entirely, to a new location outside the state. This new announcement seems to me to be "dialing it back," saying that they will be continuing their existing operation in Accokeek but reconsidering any additional investments in the state.

The actual effect of this is.... nothing. I don't see how we can call this praiseworthy.

HKGuns
May 21, 2013, 09:45 PM
Beretta has to stay in Maryland to continue to meet contract obligations, and wants to stay in Maryland because they are loyal to their employees.
Some folks are hard to please. You can't move that sort of production on a dime.

SharpsDressedMan
May 21, 2013, 10:21 PM
I think any company like Beretta ought to contact target state legislatures or governors, and get guarantees in writing that that state will not enact future laws that do the same kind of restrictions that caused them to leave. That would be a "good faith" gesture, to draw their business into a state. It would also be a promise to the citizens of that state to leave the gun laws alone (Texas comes to mind, as an example). Any state that wanted to draw the business of gun companies would probably have to do something like that. A hell of a lot better than tax abatements!

Tomcat47
May 21, 2013, 10:44 PM
I say they will move completely, but it will take time to do so and maintain production. I also bet there are a lot employees willing to go where they go!

And they can fulfill military contracts anywhere, I could not believe they would have to stay there!

PGT
May 21, 2013, 10:54 PM
The most convenient for employees would be to hop across the river to VA, but, there's no easy way to get there unless they located where the bridges cross. I grew up maybe 10miles as the crow flies from Accoceek but it would be an hour drive to get there, based on where one could drive across.

mljdeckard
May 21, 2013, 10:56 PM
+1 to #2.

barnbwt
May 21, 2013, 11:10 PM
The idea now of investing additional funds in Maryland and thus rewarding a Government that has insulted our customers and our products is offensive to us so we will take steps to evaluate such investments in other States
Oh man, they're capitalizing "States" :uhoh: :D

I feel even better about lusting after an ARX100 now (even if it may still be largely produced in Maryland). It's high time all of these companies make their opinions on this very pertinent matter known, so I'm glad Beretta is at least talking tough. The "evil, all-controlling" gun industry has been much more silent than they should have been for years now. Hopefully this will be followed with threats to withhold distribution and service to disarmament states.

I also bet there are a lot employees willing to go where they go!

No kidding. Maryland will be losing a lot more than a couple hundred jobs--try the lifetime productivity of hundreds, plus the hundreds they procreate, plus the service-jobs and people that support them, plus the thousands they all tell to stay the hell away from Maryland...prosperity isn't a hill you climb; it's a see-saw you balance towards debt or wealth.

TCB

MAKster
May 21, 2013, 11:25 PM
I'm not sure where you guys are getting the idea that Beretta is leaving Maryland. Their statement sure sounds like they are staying.
http://www.berettausa.com/berettasstatementonsb281/

Bruno2
May 21, 2013, 11:27 PM
My favorite brand of guns! 500 years and counting. I would like an email address to let them know I am in favor of their move I would like to purchase the new Pico and an arx100. Hopefully they will move soon so that I don't have to help fund an anti gun state.

AlexanderA
May 22, 2013, 12:09 AM
I think any company like Beretta ought to contact target state legislatures or governors, and get guarantees in writing that that state will not enact future laws that do the same kind of restrictions that caused them to leave.

Such a commitment would be worthless. A current legislature cannot bind a future legislature. Possibly you could add such a provision to the state constitution, but even that could be changed.

SharpsDressedMan
May 22, 2013, 04:43 PM
Oh hell, then just go for the 100 year tax abatement.

Guvnor
May 22, 2013, 06:18 PM
i just recently bought a Beretta bobcat .25 and a Neos .22lr. Happy to see my money went to a company who isn't afraid to stand up for us.

ApacheCoTodd
May 23, 2013, 11:58 AM
In these cases I focus less on the penalizing of short sighted emotionally driven voters (after all, the Governor is simply doing their bidding) and more upon the rewarding of another government being operated based upon rational thought and real world practicalities.

As such, I couldn't care less about the animal that is Maryland's government turning on and biting its own owner but really want to know who is going to reap the rewards of this latest bit of silliness.

Lonestar49
May 23, 2013, 12:29 PM
...

Unfortunately, just reported over in the Beretta Forum, Beretta has changed their minds and will stay in Maryland. Something to do with special exclusions, in the bill, for Beretta allowing them to continue to produce guns and rifles that are legal in many other states even though not legal in Maryland to sell or own.


Ls

ApacheCoTodd
May 23, 2013, 12:40 PM
So, we'll play like we're taking the high road relative to hypocrisy of the circumstances until we get a load of "consideration" from the hypocritical government?

Good for the locals, employees and investors... too bad for folk on the slippery slope of business ethics and morals.

22-rimfire
May 23, 2013, 01:03 PM
I think this is a case of people reading what they want to see/hear. Beretta is staying in MD. They are only looking at expanding in other states other than MD. Yes, that's a loss to MD. Eventually they may move all their production, but that will likely be years.

GambJoe
May 24, 2013, 08:17 PM
Are they using politics to negotiate better deals? Using gun owners to bully and threaten to get what they want?

Don't think any corporation is on our side. I rather use them then have them use us. These people care only about the bottom line. No civic pride just money.

gunnutery
May 25, 2013, 12:08 PM
It's high time all of these companies make their opinions on this very pertinent matter known, so I'm glad Beretta is at least talking tough. The "evil, all-controlling" gun industry has been much more silent than they should have been for years now. Hopefully this will be followed with threats to withhold distribution and service to disarmament states.

I think in some ways it may have been benificial for the gun industry to remain silent until now. It allowed "we the people" to voice our opinions inividually and collectively (NRA) to make it known that we want freedom and rights. The gun industry is a no brained and everyone on both sides of the issue knows the industry wants to keep that market open. I think the profitable voices would've only clouded the dialog, which was already volitile.

barnbwt
May 26, 2013, 12:05 PM
Don't think any corporation is on our side. I rather use them then have them use us

I'd say our cries of "see what you'll make these job-creators do!" fall under this heading :D. Who cares who uses who, so long as we have the same goals at the moment? Beretta just wants to be able to sell their ARX100/etc. to as many markets as possible, as do we. Win-win.

At least Beretta didn't use Newtown as a pretense to lobby for protectionist policies benefitting its American factories (like certain 'murican gun companies did years ago...)

TCB

Old Shooter
May 26, 2013, 12:31 PM
I suspect that Beretta will stay in MD but look at favorable new sites in other states to set up another production plant that would produce new models or perhaps split the current production between two or more plants.

It takes time to build the structure, install the equipment, hire and train new personnel and work out the initial start-up bugs to get it all up and running. While all this is going on the main plant supplies the customers and helps to make it a smooth transition and start-up.

Several states have the industrial parks set up with shell buildings already in place. You just give them the details of interior construction, floor suports, utility needs etc. and then they throw in the tax incentives and start-up cash to boot.

Beretta may not move tomrrow, but if things go worse in MD they will have other options be it in 5, 10 or 15 years down the road.

davidjblythe
May 26, 2013, 05:44 PM
Did anyone see the Baltimore Sun this morning? This exact topic made the front cover of the local section. It seems like they are staying put for the foreseeable future. Given the strong words Beretta had about this... it looks like words are all that will come of it. I wouldn't buy your Beretta just yet.

David, Baltimore , MD.

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